Just a couple of things to think about today.
Those offers that may have dropped into you inbox, or letter box for those who prefer tradition……you know the one. hospitality and match ticket, scottish cup semi final, £125.
And as soon as they’ve sold as many of them as they can, we’ll see how many get offered to the regular fan.
Which isn’t actually the point, you see.
The point is that those who think of these, er, offers, actually think that the game, and its opponents , are worthy of putting a £125 offer out there.
We could be seeing an exampleceltic Park think that those on the outside of Celtic Park are thinking. It may take a while for the club to hit its sales target here. Largely because they haven’t understood the depth of feeling that the support have towards the boards perceived acceptance of the new clubs own idea of its identity.
Its not the only incidence where the club just don’t seem to get it, as they say.
The boards reluctance to comment or act upon Resolution 12, where the club suffered consequential financial loss after someone ignored the rules has also led to supporter indifference, and that nagging, yet growing feeling, that somehow the board just don’t give a toss about the support.
The lads behind resolution 12, an intelligent and resourceful group of shareholders have now written to UEFA to draw their attention to the matter.
Well, someone had to do something, given the cabal within Scottish football’s reluctance to do anything.
It does make you wonder why its taken supporter’shareholders to do this. Are not the board supposed to act in their best interests ?
Which makes me wonder, are they actually doing that ?
Is it in the best interests, or at least in the view of the board, of the shareholders to also hope this whole issue just goes away, swept under that great big Axminster which hides so much at Hampden ?
There must be a reason Celtic haven’t got involved. If they are not going to tell us what it is, then we must work it out for ourselves.
Do they actually think its in the clubs best interest for us not to pursue the issue ?
If not, why not?
Were they in on it ?
Have Celtic, too, been the beneficiaries of the SFA’s light and gentle touch where the rules are concerned ?
Have others ?
The SFA’s little fiefdom must be overthrown.
This isn’t about one club, or even two. It’s about every club from the sunday league up to the Premier League.
It’s about honesty, transparency and sporting integrity.
All of which are missing fro the game just now, and nobody, bar the Resolution 12 guys, is looking for it.
Is that because they are afraid of what they might find ?
Or have they already found it, and what to put it back where it was, with anther layer of carpet over it, just in case ?
I have an uneasy feeling,like a sizeable portion of our support, that our board are complicit in this whole sordid sevco story.
I hope I am wrong as I do not wish to spend the rest of my life boycotting CP.
In summer 2012 Celtic was the only powerhouse in Scottish football; it’s hard to believe that any major decision could have been made without their “nod” of approval .
I’ve a feeling that in that summer Celtic had the power to “make or break” sevco.
Going back to the res 12 situation , it’s plausible that Celtic were well aware of ,what was then Rangers, financial position at that time.
Could it be that even at that juncture Celtic had the power to make or break ” Rangers”; and turned a blind eye to them getting a shot at CL , in an attempt to stave off the collapse that was to eventually come in 2012.
In other words , even then , chose to save (eventually unsuccessfully ) , Rangers.
I doubt we’ll ever get to know the whole story of either the res12 events or the summer of 2012 machinations.
Regan is the one obstructing investigating any further because he is a lazy executive, talks a great game in interviews…. but to demonstrate evidence of leadership or innovation for positive change of any outcomes…that’s where he fails all the time…just like any other Englishman trying to succeed in business in Scotland, we tire of their voice and lack of back bone…UEFA is the best option for all Scottish clubs to pursue as we have no confidence in the SFA as it has been proven many times in the past that they do lean favourably to the unwashed in Govan…
It has nothing to do with laziness. This is nothing but a corrupt and self preserving individual leading a corrupt and self preserving organisation and if it is determined that the board of directors at Celtic Park are any way involved in this and that is looking more than likely with every passing day, then I and many more will never step foot inside Celtic Park again while these people are still involved with the club.
Hail Hail to that.
What is this Gravatar your using Charlie S, where is it’s location?
That’s the Borucki Sanger in Crossmaglen once the most shot at building in Europe I believe and how it passed the the the town planning department is beyond me?
Click the Blue G on the Image Moni (Right hand side)then sign up.
Well said Andybhoy,please add me to that list,and they can stick their tickets for the semis up their arses.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m sad to say that I’m another who won’t be renewing my season ticket, won’t be buying a ticket for the semi and will be turning my back on Scottish football until something is done about the mob from Govan and their lackeys running Scottish football.
Unfortunately I fear I will be in my grave before that happens.
As far as the resolution 12 boys contacting UEFA directly goes, I don’t think they will get anywhere. I read somewhere of someone phoning UEFA and being told that they won’t deal with complaints from fans, only member clubs or their governing organisation.
Aye Andybhoy. I know you are right and that is exactly why our Board cannot corner these dodgy buggers, but I bet they are happy enough for the pressure being put on them by our shareholders.
It has become overwhelmingly clear that the CFC board are at one with the ‘cabal’and they now have more than “enough rope to hang themselves” and the sfa/spfl. Look how they turned a ‘blind eye’ to the LNS abomination, that set out, from the onset to ‘cover-up’ over 10 (TEN) years of systematic cheating. This board only represent themselves as they look to climb the ladder of the sanctimonious Scottish establishment. Only my opinion. HH
Any Celtic fan who thinks that the prominent members of the Board of the richest Club in Scottish Football was not involved in discussions as to how to shoe horn pretendy Rangers back into the the game is naive at best in my opinion.
It may well be the case that meetings were held off the record but I guarantee Lawwell and Co have been involved from the get go.
They are all pissing in the same pot.
That pot is about squeezing money from Supporters all over the country as much and as many times as they possibly can.
Football is morally corrupt,it has been for a very long time.
In time the truth will out itself.
It always does.
Meanwhile bend over again chaps…
I too will not step foot inside Celtic Park nor spend a penny on merchandise whilst the current lot ignore the cheating. What is being hidden? Something really stinks, my money won’t line PL pocket.
Hail, Hail, to that John,the only thing i will add is that i would offer grateful thanks to my fellow shareholders and supporters for their determined attempts to push this forward.
They and there like are the people who should be running this once great club.
Bring back Fergus.
Picking up on the story on the Celtic Quick Newswebsite yesterday respected blogger Brogan, Rogan Trevino and Hogan explained: “There will be a formal letter going to UEFA through solicitors, as requested by the PLC board, and that same PLC board will formally be invited to confirm their involvement in the discussions with the SFA etc thus far.
“UEFA will also be provided with a copy of the most recent letter from the SFA to Celtic Plc on the topic – that letter is dated 15th March as I recall – and once again it fails to answer any material point on the basis that shareholders are not named and that the SFA prefer to deal only with the member club on the topic concerned.
“What else they have told “the member club” we don’t know as it has not been shared with us. I repeat – for the umpteenth time – that when the resolution, it’s content, aims and objectives together with the supporting evidence was considered by the Celtic PLC board, that same board on the basis of professional advice, withdrew their opposition to the resolution and publicly stated at the AGM’s of 2013, 2014 and 2015 that they would work with shareholders to pursue the aims of the resolution and that they would continue to correspond with the SFA on the matter. NOTE the word CONTINUE!!!
“Not only have the board written to the SFA they have had meetings with the SFA through the company secretary and he has reported back to the resolutioners and indeed encouraged them to take certain action. As of last week, he was still encouraging them to take action by writing to UEFA.”
Within six months of losing to Malmo Ally McCoist’s club was placed in administration before having their CVA rejected by Her Majesty in June 2012 forcing the 139 year-old institution to begin liquidation.
Well said. The longer the silence goes on, the worse the smell of Celtic complicity gets. Here is my latest blast at Lawwell over Res 12. https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/the-extremely-hidden-hand/
Hail Hail,The board and especially Lawell are becoming very conspicuous by their absence in this sordid saga. The smell is getting stronger……….
In life even if you just acquiesce then you by definition COMPLY with what’s been done .
SO therefore today as it stand right now the CFC board are totally complicit with Everything the SPL and SFA have done . The whole damn lot
If as this article and many others have suggested that CFC have some dirty linen ..then GET IT OUT INTO THE OPEN..FIRE THE OFFENDERS AND IF NEED BE LOSE TITLES OR PAY FINES WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO BE SQUEAKY CLEAN ..Do what Brian Quinn his with the Juninho EBT and behave toward the SFA in exactly the same way McCAnn did .
CFC fans should be demanding the board either go after the SFA the way Fergus did or come clean and get out and let new leaders in
They must act in one of these two ways or CFC will implode and the SFA and TRFC and the media have won hands down and airbrushed everything away
Can I just point out BRTH’S emphasis on CONTINUE and repeat what I said on CQN on Saturday.
• I believe that The Celtic Board, led by Peter Lawwell, will never have a greater opportunity to use events from 2011 until now to bring about the necessary culture change at the SFA.
• I believe that this will encourage many Celtic supporters with reservations about the game’s honesty to buy season tickets next season. The corollary is that inaction will lose the club supporters.
• I believe that a culture change at the SFA will be in the long term benefit all Scottish football clubs.
However I would like to add to the above that based on my dealings with the club over the period since Res12 was adjourned, I have every confidence that the above opportunity, which is clearly in Celtic’s best interests to pursue for the reasons given, will not be lost.
Ok it might take place at the Celtic pace the Resolution 12 guys have become used to, nothing sinister in that either, its just how things are and patience, a very underrated virtue, need to be exercised.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/resist-of-wither-like-miss-havisham/comment-page-22/#comment-2801341
For me the means of taking matters forward is not as important as actually taking matters forward. Res12 has been a series of patient steps and the toddler is still toddling.
I personally think this issue will gather momentum in the Summer as far as Celtic are concerned.
What it actually needs though is the Supporters of other Clubs to put petty differences to one side and get on Board.
It affects all of them after all.
Would an empty Hampden send out a message of intent?
Probably but I fear a desperate Hibees crowd might well put the issue to one side to hopefully witness their team make some history?
It would be a massive kick in the haw maws if one end of the ground lay empty.
Kinda hard to talk your way out of something like that and the MSM would be forced to ask the questions as a result otherwise their “impartiality “cover would be blown.
Charlie
agree summer is crucial ..but most other clubs fans don’t even know about Res 12 LNS issues etc
There is absolutely no chance of any club doing anything unless the big victim does something on all this stuff .
the big good guy has to stand up to the bullies and the others will I believe back him
CFC should be able to completely wipe the floor with the SFA on all this stuff
fergus McCAnn would have had Ogilvie and Regan fired back in 2013 and the title s no brainer etc all sorted out long ago
As I said above if CFC have something they are hiding ..bring it to the surface admit guilt ..it is scales of magnitude more important that all the SFA and TRFC cheating etc is dealt with and seen to be dealt with comprehensively than hiding some embarrassing career hurting issues for PL
It has been fairly obvious for a while now that the board at Celtic Park,are hoping upon hope that the resolution 12 debate would die a death sooner rather than later.This board are as bad as the lot that brought our club to the brink of extinction.Peter Lawwell is as corrupt as anyone at the Govan team , him and the rest of the board need to be shown the door now .I will never spend another penny of my money towards Celtic as long as these scumbags are running Celtic.
My only hope at the moment is that there is another Fergus standing in the wings ready to take over our beloved Celtic
What if we all became one big Fergus?
I tried to find a picture of a big bunnet that would fit us all, but google returned this…. It is Easter after all I suppose.
http://cdn.modernfarmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/GiantRabbithero.jpg
🙂
A Celtic boardroom with a Tory Lord and an ex Labour MP…. and yet nothing is being seen to be done over the Resolution 12 scam.
A cowed Scottish MSM, can’t upset the peepell now can we, need to be forced to report the truth oozing out of Hampden.
Maybe a boycott of all Celtic stores/outlets, picketing of those stores by fans handing out leaflets, placards, banners…imagine if just 50 fans turned up outside the Argyll Street shop on a Saturday morning …the pavement would be blocked, in a nice friendly manner of course, the boys in black would be called, then the media would have no choice but to explain what the rumpus was all about!
Step forward for the famous Green Brigade perhaps?
Lawwell….take note.
The simple action to take is boycott the semi-final! But how many will give up an afternoon chanting party-tuns at the newco to insist Celtic live up to what they stand for. about 20 no doubt and their tickets will be snapped up by others immediately. To attend this game i to recognise our opponents as a legitimate organisation and reintroduces the horror that is the Old Firm to the Scottish game. When celtic supporters do this they should have the decency to STFU for ever about ‘same club myth’ because it is a myth they helped to make a reality. As for the board, they have helped to create the newco, every step of the way, they will also ebnter into legislation in the future to ensure that neither Celtic or Rangers are allowed to be relegated. They are as bad as the crooks at Ibrox.To me they are worse, as they represent what was once Celtic Football Club. I will support the club with my presence until the end of the season (semi-final excluded), only because Deila has had to endure hell over the past year and I feel the club needs supporters for theleague run-in not the glory hunting fans that will show up on the17th. But after 40 years, for my family over 100 years, I amnd mine are finished. RIP Celtic. The Old Firm are back.
When you think about it, it is far easier getting a public act through parliament then it is with the corrupt SFA and the lazy dazey approach to the resolution, what exactly does these executives do with their time just now!! I mean the fixtures are already laid out for the rest of the season, the last cup competition semi finals are in place so what is the delay? Oh I see…some of them might lose their positions…shame that!! NOT
I agree with you John and your views are shared by many. As was the case with last years semi in the League cup, I gave my ticket away, as I was not prepared to acknowledge the dark sides existence.
These are dangerous times for people who follow football in this country and I can’t see a leader who would have the ability to sort this mess out.
Tex mentioned Fergus, oh how I wish we had a man of his capabilities.
Again if Celtic fans were to unite as one and buy the Club I reckon the days of the SFA would be numbered.
A Fan owned Celtic could vote to spend money on challenging these Legal issues in Court.
I would put what money I have spare into such a venture no danger.
Anyone out there reading this knows how I can find out the numbers we have globally (via CSC’s etc)I would be glad of some assistance in this because if they numbers are there (I suspect they are in the millions)then anything is possible.
Just a matter of how many and how much.
For those who don’t think it’s possible it’s a fairly simple concept.
Those in power ie who hold the biggest shares would adopt a seige mentality.
The way end a siege is to starve the incumbent regime out by denying them food and water.
At a Club like ours that means revenue.
We starve them out or at least put forward a united front and threaten to cut off the financial drip then they will take the money and bolt.
First we need to know the numbers.
Then we need to inform them all
Then we all need to agree to chip in
Then we get the incumbents to fuck.
Been done before it can be done again the fact modern technology means we can converse globally whilst doing so will only increase the likelihood of pulling something like this off.
Of course it would not be easy or straightforward but I guess these things never are?
Is it any easier than bending over every summer and taking the Boards input right up the shitebox?
I don’t think so.
My money is waiting if you are interested.
It has to start somewhere might as well be here and now.
Who’s in?
Amazing how all this cheating and corruption between Sevco and the SFA has been spun round now to be CFC fault?
These Celtic blogs are doing a grand job for the SMSM and Sevco.
Nothing like turning on your own when the going gets tough eh? And to accuse PL and the CFC board as being involved in this carry on? I can only pur it down to just plain stupidity or Meths.
Kite flying and finger pointing at your very own club and blaming them for something they had nothing to do with? Can I prove this? Of course I can’t, can the accusers from Lala land prove what they are saying? Of course they can’t.
Grow a pair and support the club ffs, don’t be led by splinter groups like the Celtic Trust and the GB, mischief makers .
Doing nothing and ignoring the request of their shareholders makes them complicit.
That’s not finger pointing that’s a fact btw.
The club can easily put all these rumours and doubts to bed.
Produce the statement.
I am a shareholder with no affiliation to any supporters group,i do not read the gutter press,or am i interested in it.
I have sat back with growing apprehension at the reluctance of the Board to confront the cheats or there cohorts at the SFA.
The Board are there to provide leadership among other things and all i have witnessed is inertia.
Ask yourself this if Fergus Mcann was at the helm,would we be questioning the Boards motives,certainly not.He would take the bull by the horns and confront them,we would also have a better P.R machine,so if anyone attacked our club would be challenged and replied to instead of meekly accepting.
Its time that the Board grew a set of balls and used that power publicly to answer our many enemies.
Tonyd67
You are right . It ain’t good internal fighting at any club .
I see it and it’s been repeated here HOWEVER Doing nothing condones bad behaviour.This is the biggest sporting scandal in UK history And CFC unless I missed something are the biggest victim FFS
CEltic and other clubs are not their boards they are their long term fan base . if the board won’t do what it patently needs to do to stand up for its club and fans and get this scandal properly dealt with and very publicly too they are simply not fit for purpose .
I would trust Auldheid completely in what he says above ..BUT time really is running away now . the board need to not just be doing things but to be seen to be doing things that will fix all this
Well said Charlie S and when has the board at Celtic Park ever been the Club.
Spot on they are temporary fixtures that in time will be replaced.
The fans are the only constant at any Club.
It is they who deserve the answers.
They that is the Board own and run a PLC that has a Football Club as it’s main means of income.
Time they put their own immediate needs to one side and put the likes of yersel first for once.
I was one of the few Celtic supporters who attended the Morton Scottish Cup Match. I’m a season ticket holder of many years, albeit I’m not on the home ticket scheme. I thought the least the Board could do to reward the loyalty of those who turned up for the Morton game would be to guarantee them a semi final ticket, irrespective of who we were drawn against. I checked the Celtic website earlier today and got this message, ‘WE’RE SORRY! Unfortunately, this time you don’t have the correct privileges on your account to purchase tickets for this match. Why not return to ticket home and try another match?” So part time fans with money to afford ‘Corporate packages’ can get semi final tickets but one who attends every home game like me can’t. Thanks a bundle Celtic, nice to know that you place the wishes of Corporate fans ahead of real supporters. PS – I got a ticket for last season’s League Cup Semi Final against the Tribute Act. Explain that one.
During the Scottish referendum they said that the torries were in bed with labour, which they were……
The same can be said about Peter Lawwell who is in bed with the sfa and sevco.
He is behind all this…..has been doing everything to get sevco into our league since they were created.
He thinks us fans are idiots, he thinks he knows more, he thinks that with sevco in the top league next season we are all going to re new our season tickets and that Celtic park will be full again……..how wrong is he ?
Celtic is a modest sized PLC. As something of a contradiction it has many thousands of shareholders.
Again as something of contradiction, all the power within the PLC is held by a tiny number of shareholders.
Under these circumstances how do you accurately define what is in the best interests of the shareholders of Celtic PLC?
Tom,
Good point. I believe that the structure of shareholders is a major reason why Res 12 was adjourned at the AGM in which it was introduced. If it had not then it would probably have been voted down, and, then there would be no possibility of the club pursuing the issues. There is a lot that we do not know about why the club has not pursued the SFA on the retaining of a European licence by Rangers…because it does not make sense that they would act against the best interests of the club. Celtic were the main party to be injured by the licence issue. Why would they not pursue it? Could they seek compo from the SFA because there is zilch to be obtained from the defunct carcass? Is a club not barred from taking its own association to court? So is it that the club see no way that they can get a positive result if they initiate the action? That would explain their tacit support for the Res 12 guys. I do not know but there must be something that has not come to light to explain their inaction when they are, clearly, the wronged party.
Rebus
Whether you like him or not John Reid expressed our thoughts when he said we would not be sitting at the back of the bus. We should have been driving it. This Board however has just left us standing at the roadside while the bus drives by.
Football in Scotland us like The Sopranos and being known as a “football person” is like being a made man. – always follow the money.
if the board do fuck all about res 12 and we keep going to the games we deserve to be cheated ffs they wont even make a statement they are either corrupt or cowardly bastards
only in scotland could a team cheat for years and the main victim of the cheats lose support because of the inactivity of ther board its a fucking disgrace
Rebus I don’t know the ins and outs of the club being able to take the sfa to court or not. But I believe they could do so?
If we concentrate on two of the SFA’s clear functions. As a licensing body and as a judicial body which imposes sanctions, The SFA is and must be subject to an obligation to the law that overrides any competing interest or claim by its constituent members. As a licensing body, it’s decisions are certainly open to Judicial review in the Scottish courts and I would suspect that a judicial review would be open to any of it’s members who disagreed strongly enough with any of it’s decisions.
By granting Rangers the licence they have in fact gave Celtic in my opinion an open goal.
Why Celtic do not choose to strike,is something which they need to address and do it quickly. Too many Celtic fans are now stating that they would rather stay at home than support the club. Not since the celts for change movement have I heard so many fans wanting to boycott.
The board has to issue a statement of some sort to the shareholders in particular the reasoning behind their silence.
Hail Hail.
Jimmybee,
I agree that Celtic have the option to take the SFA to court. Not being a lawyer, I still believe that the rules of any organisation would be subject to domestic law.
However, UEFA regs clearly state that a club should not take its domestic association to court but should take the issue to CAS(Court of Administration in Sport). So, Celtic could take the SFA to court, e.g. suing them for damages, but under UEFA regs they could be sanctioned. Now lets say Celtic win on the issue indicating that the SFA broke a statue of UEFA over licensing. What would be the consequence? Again under UEFA regs the SFA could be expelled from UEFA. Who would suffer then? All of the SCottish clubs that play or potentially play in UEFA competitions. What would be the reaction of other Scottish clubs towards Celtic under this scenario?
The real problem from the Board’s perspective re Res 12 may be that it is finally successful. There is risk associated with pursuing it. Perhaps the club feels that it can use the threat of Res 12 to obtain change without washing dirty linen in public and risking the future of Scottish football.
I don’t know what Celtic are thinking and the above is just an attempt to understand why the club are not shooting into the open goal that you mention. There must be some rational explanation of their behaviour, especially as they remain silent.
Good to talk,
Rebus