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Celtic Diary Tuesday December 22: Procedure To Avoid Meltdown

I think it’s safe to say that the support are divided at the moment.

Hector Bandido’s well though out and interesting article on the site reflected a viewpoint which is not consistent with that of the diary, but contains several good points, and for probably the first time during the current civil war-or should I call them the Troubles-we now have rational argument on both sides of the debate.

Now, lets get into that Tardis, and go back to the 22 of September last year, and the diary of that day…

Celtic Diary Monday September 22: Celts Consolidate Top Six Position

CELTIC DIARY MONDAY SEPTEMBER 22: CELTS CONSOLIDATE TOP SIX POSITION

A hard fought draw with a resurgent Motherwell saw Celtic keep in with the big boys in Scotlands top six, thus ensuring a good shot at a place in Europe next season.

Alright, you try to find something positive from that garbage yesterday.

A Kris Commons penalty cancelled out John Suttons first half goal to mean that Ronny Deilas’ side have now won just three of eleven games against full time opposition.   

Whatever it is he’s trying to do, it isn’t working. In fact, it’s becoming more apparent that it isn’t going to work.  

 

Well, bugger I down dead. It appears the author ( me ) used to think Ronny was a diddy as well.

After that game, Ronny told the papers..

“Of course I’m not happy with the result. We deserved to win but we made it so difficult for ourselves with a poor first half.

‘We had bad tempo, no passes forward and didn’t break them down once in the first half. That’s not good enough.

‘In the second half, we had two good subs coming on, they brought energy into the game and we played quite well.

“But you cannot rely on one or two players. We need to get the whole squad up at the right level.

“We need to build leaders out on the pitch, for when Scott and Kris aren’t there.

“Maybe six changes was too much. But I don’t want to rotate that much, it was just needed.

“We had many players out with injuries, new players coming in who we 

need to play into shape.

“But of course I worry that we might have more days like this. That is why everybody in the squad needs to improve.

“We will get injuries, we will have players out, so we need to build everybody up.”   

Which I interpreted thus;

So , correct me here if I have misunderstood…is he saying we won’t play our top players because we need to get the second string ready in case we, er, don’t have the top players out there ?  

facepalm

Fuck me. He’s really gone this time.  

Only two changes need to be made.

Quickly .

ronny and jonny

 Who do we bring in to replace them and set the ship back on course ? 

My suggestion at the time was Tony Pulis, which was no worse than some of the other names bandied about just now.

 One of the replies, quoted in part here, was from Desi Mond, another Etims colleague;

Right, for whats its worth, i think its apt to remember that after winning his first game 6-0, a certain Mr Stein also soon got humped 4-2 by Hibs and 6-2 by Falkirk and was known for a side losing goals and for giving the players instructions they found difficult to comprehend.

Now Im not saying thats a perfect comparison but lets calm the jets for a while please. Ronnie Deila stepped up when others walked away and he said “Here is my plan!”. Celtic hired him and he should be allowed to try and implement the plan accordingly.  

 

First of all, I’d like you to note that everything currently being said about the current management was said back in September of last year. I couldn’t see what he was playing at, and thought that we were on the verge of a major disaster.

Thats what happens when you offer a knee jerk reaction.

But as Desi pointed out, Ronny did step up, he does have a plan, and we should at least allow him to give it a go.

Well, fourteen months on, where are we with that plan ?

Should I do yet another about turn based on what we can see in front of us, or should we calm the jets a little longer, and see where we go from here.

If we do the latter, what should we base it on ?

Well, we are still gunning for a treble, and we have a promising set of players, arguably not performing, but promising and tied up on long term contracts.

And for a couple of years at least, they are unlikely to have their heads turned south every time they hear a window oipening.

So we do have something to build on.

One criticism levelled at the club in the past was the policy of selling our best players every six months. Sure, it raised money, but that money was never invested in players of the same quality. Instead, the idea was to send out a few scouts to see what they came back with. Like heading to a car boot sale hoping to find some daft old sod has chucked out a Rembrandt.

Might happen every now and again, but hardly the way to run a railroad. Eventually, you will get sick of churning through the boxes of crap and decide its not worth it anymore.

And all you are left with is stuff that isn’t worth putting on show.

Which is where we are at now. Which clearly could not be allowed to continue.

So, the board changed tack, and brought in a manager who can build things, from scratch, if given time. He has a clear set of ideas which may not be accepted by all at first, or even after eighteen months, or maybe even by the end of this season.

But they are there, and there are signs that some players, such as Leigh Griffiths, have taken that on board. Without getting into the argument over who has been a success and who hasn’t , its fair to say that those who have look like they are here for a while, and those who haven’t won’t.

Change takes time, and after realising that this is a long term plan to avoid changing players and managers on a regular basis, and there is more to Ronny’s game than just the 4-2-3-1 , then i’m prepared to wait.

I can see what he’s trying to do, and he deserves to get a chance to do it.

If only for putting up with what must be bewildering abuse, despite winning two out of three-ach, never mind the stats, its well documented-from supporters who appear to be far more knowledgable than him.

Lets quickly dispel a couple of oft spoken myths here, before we go on.

“I could win a treble in that league ”

No, you couldn’t. And please, the louder you say it doesn’t make it more accurate.

“We pay the players wages ”

No, you don’t. Otherwise they’d be at your kitchen window every Friday signing for them.

And my favourite…

“These bloggers are all doing the work of Lawwell, so that we put up with mediocrity ”

Aye, they’re an insightful bunch.

Speaking of which, anyone who has ever been in an overly well paid job will tell you that you will do anything to keep it. If your boss decides they are having a meeting at ten o’clock on a Friday in Norwich, you will be there. You do what you have to.

And you do not make an arse of it deliberately, because you will lose that job, so quite why anyone imagines that Lawwell isn’t doing what he thinks is right is beyond me.

Upset the customers too much, and you lose that job. Why would he risk it ?

Whatever criticisms I have of Lawwell and the Lapdogs, it isn’t that he genuinely doesn’t believe in what he’s doing.

Back to Ronny, and what is bewildering criticism.

Have a look at this, it appeared on facebook and then on twitter.

Players read this sort of shite.

Then we wonder why they incur bowel problems during home games.

The away performances of late have been more than decent in most cases. The atmosphere generated by the hardy souls who travel the highways and bye ways allows the players to relax. The singing and cheering is from at the very east a whole stand. surprisingly, although the fans are much closer to the players, there is more encouragement than damnation.

Now, to Celtic Park.

Teams come out, a cheer. The huddle, a cheer. Kick off, and the clicking of tens of thousands of seats as punters sit down, fold their arms and get ready to moan.

They pay the wages, you see.

Now, at an away game there is moaning too. But it gets drowned out , by and large, by the atmosphere. Thats because roughly the same amount of people sing at games whether they are at home or away. Its just that they are all in one end of an opponents ground.

The silent arena that Celtic Park has become has the singing congregated in one corner, with perhaps an occasional outburst from other sections.

When something goes wrong, the players know about it. A misplaced pass, a poor tackle and they know about it.

So is it any wonder the home form and performances are a little below par ?

It would be easy to say that the players should give us something to sing about, which is in part true, but we should also consider the term supporters, and what that means.

Then , after a duff game, players already having had their confidence shattered, and perhaps not feeling at their best, get to read all about it on social media, on forums, and in the mainstream media.

And boy, the mainstream media are loving it.

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And we, as a support, are feeding this frenzy.

And the players will read it, and guess what ?

They, too, will start to have doubts about the managers ability.

That, according to Lawwell, was what happened when the press laid into Tony Mowbray, who, as an honest and decent man, refused to take advice on how to deal with the vultures who feed on the bones of a Celtic in crisis.

Some of us are falling for it now.

Back to the board, and they , if anything , need a wake up call. Its only a few weeks since the furor over Lord Livingston and his accusations of racism. We were led to believe the police were investigating, and then nothing.

We were led to believe that action was imminent on the years of cheating, and then nothing.

Either they don’t give a toss, and want the cheats back as soon as possible, perhaps fearing that their jobs are at risk without them, or they are keeping their cards close to their chest for a major play later in the game.

Time will tell, but with the exception of a couple on the board, the others are merely there to tell people they are on the board of a football club. They have no significant input.

It’s time they did, or made way for people who are prepared to work for the good of the club, because right now thats not happening.

And again, the attention on the players and management is deflecting from that.

 

All of that sounds fairly glum, and perhaps we should be more worried than we are.

Or maybe we are going in the right direction, which leads me to my final point.

The club has little or no effective public relations.

We’ve no idea whats going on at any level. Fans appear to be excluded from all decision making, which in itself is preposterous, and for a club like ours, thats unacceptable.

There are regular fans forums, so an attempt is being made to engage the support, and there are signs the club is listening. Theres a lot to be proud of, such as the statue of McNeill, the work of the Foundation and the support of the foodbanks.

But not enough is made of that, the only place you’ll find out about it is on the club website, which is not where most of us head for news. Whether we admit it or not, the MSM still hold the majority of us in its grasp.

And we don’t trust them in the slightest.

Theres a lot wrong just now, but it can be fixed, and first and foremost everyone needs to calm down and start to offer constructive suggestions.

Once you realise that top players won’t come, top managers aren’t interested, and the way forward is to build our clubs reputation back up by laying new foundations then that will be a lot easier.

Trouble is, too  many want to start kicking them away already.

We should be concentrating on the issues in the Scottish game, dealing with the corruption and collusion at the top.

We should be dealing with directors who have their own interests at heart, and not those of the club.

We should be dealing with those in the media who run us down every time they get the slightest chance.

We should be letting the team and the management do their talking on the park, with our suppport.

We should remember who we are, where we came from and that there are enough people out there who want to rip us apart without ripping each other apart.

We are a club like no other, sometimes though, its not enough to just say it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The real anton rogan
8 years ago

“Change takes time, and after realising that this is a long term plan to avoid changing players and managers on a regular basis, and there is more to Ronny’s game than just the 4-2-3-1 , then i’m prepared to wait.

I can see what he’s trying to do, and he deserves to get a chance to do it”

Really Ralph. Any chance you could enlighten the rest of us?

torrancetimebomb
8 years ago

interesting article ralph, agree with some parts and disagree with others, but for me hector nailed it last night , I think in general the support has mostly made up its mind and the Ronnie supporters of which there were many are now in the minority, I admire you optimism and hate my pessimism but it does not mean iam wrong or you are right, I want Ronnie to succeed, with all my heart but there has to be a time when you say sorry no matter how much I want it to happen, I don’t think that it ever will and that time is now, you speak about the atmosphere at CP , why do you think its shite, because the paying punters who turn up every week are right now watching shite, so don’t expect them to sing its praises, you talk about new foundations, where are these?? the green shoots of recovery are no where to be seen, and if you can see them please point them out to all of us. Ronnie should go, we should get a new manager in, and lets start building for part 2 of the season, don’t forget we have won fuck all so far and to hopefully repair our damaged reputation in some way in europe

Cartvale88
8 years ago

as a supporter I agree with all your comments abou the MSM and corruption in the game. However having attended not all, but the majority of games under Delilah I see no alternative game plan.
The team is all at sea, not a leads amongs them. The Motherwell game on Saturday does not do are to last year.
The lack of cohesion and fight in the team is depressing even when they have 61% per cent of the play, even when the ball is cleared off the line.
I was not at the Saint Jognstone game last weekend but I watched it in the pub, Celtic could easily have been down by three goals at half time.
Griffiths is the only light amongs his lot.
We can blame the MSM, the corruption anything else you want Ralph, but the truth is the board has a lack of ambition and as stated yesterday Celtic are becoming a feeder club.
Celtic are looking at ten different players currently, I wonder wha Delilah’ s impute is.
I also agree that Celtic are not media savvy, they require someone who can deal with the bias, instead of cowering under the duvet.
I refuse to buy an of the pap that passes for unbiased media coverage in Scotland and will not allow it to colour my views.
I am a supporter, have attended games during the Luigi era, as well as the debacle that was Barnes, but some of the recent performances are at that level,

CeciltheLion
8 years ago

You’re obviously correct, Ralph. Wish I’d realised sooner. It’s all the supporters’ fault. We expect too much and we complain when we don’t get it.

It’s such a shame for the management and players to have to put up with us. Shame on us all.

ewanbhoy
8 years ago

here is where i am…….i still think that if Ronny has the right players then he will succeed, the problem right now is that we dont have the right players.
this is why i am saying that this transfer window is Ronny’s last chance to get the team right.
he has to realise that certain players are not good enough….Boyata for starters has to be dropped and replaced by an experienced center half, we need to sign a powerful playmaker in midfield again with experience and another striker to play with or cover for Griffiths.
we need new players who have fight and desire and who are tough too.
so i am with Alan Thompson in that Ronny has 6 weeks to make the changes needed and get us playing the way we should be. we have too many youngsters in our team with no guidance to help them through games……we need at least 3 new players in January who are over the age of 25.
it certainly is make or break time for Ronny and soon enough we will see which one it is..

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Ronny has zero man management skills. He’s unable to see players’ strengths and abilities. He’ll destroy any quality that we bring in.

ewanbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

no i think his man management skills are his strong point, i think its his player choice and position is where he is getting it wrong. what has me concerned now is that the team look lost and scared and gutless too. to play for Celtic you have to be able to handle the pressure of playing in front of demanding fans and i think too many of our players are bottling it at the moment .

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

I can’t see where he’s managed Commons, Stokes, Scepovic, Ambrose, Gudetti, Matthews, Henderson etc., etc., etc..

His teams look scared and gutless because they don’t buy into his tactics/fitness messages and that shows a lack of man management from him, too. I think the players, especially the senior ones, see right through him and are left floundering when they get up against it.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

On your first point you are well wide of the mark.
On your second point I would agree.
On your third point refer to your second point.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

Cecil,
Spot on!

John
8 years ago

Think unless Ronny wins every game from now til the end of the season 5 nil, peoples minds are made up including mine. Can’t take no more of this pile of underwhelming boring crap. Ronny says Aberdeen have no chance of the league, this statement alone needs him chucking.

Monti
8 years ago

Deila out!

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

BOOM. Ma man!

Camberwick_Green
8 years ago

Spot on Ralph.
I just don’t understand all the negativity.
I fully expect the team to have a much better second half of the season – like last year.
To win the league – like last year.
win at least one of the cups – like last year.
All the while building and re-building.
If you can’t see what Ronny is doing, what is your vision?
Who do you want to replace him? Andy Walker?
Mark McGhee? Henrik Larson?
What are they going to do that Ronny isn’t already doing?

Monti
8 years ago

David Moyes or Brendan Rodgers

ewanbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Not Moyes but Rodgers yes

broxburnbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Wake up folks Moyes and Rogers have bigger fish to fry. There is no way either one of them is coming to the East End of Glasgow. Unlikely any manager who has tasted EPL or EChampionship football will come to Scotland

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  broxburnbhoy

And you are close to either manager? No.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Yes Moyes, that is my opinion, stop trying to browbeat folk into your way of thinking.
I know my football,thanks.

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

PMSL.☘☘☘

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Ah sincerely hope that was in jest.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

if ronny has the right players he will suceeed? this is ronnys team now… his system, his tactics his diets the lot!!! ITS NOT WORKING!! we go to tynescastle under immese pressure, the league could well be lost this year!! you cannot keep someone in a job based on what he might achieve!!!! i might hit my target next year boss so give me another chance big man eh? IT DOESNT WASH!!! we are the worst we have been in 5 years?!?!?! what can you see that others dont? if he was all about the youths why not play allan, or send christie back to ict?! times up the dressing room is a shambles, player dissent all the time, petulance (joahnsen) and a massive wedge between the fans!! he is ruining our club!!! GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

ewanbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

like i said yesterday that unless we can appoint a top manager, which we wont, then 6 weeks is his make or break time. no point in firing the manager if you dont have anyone better to replace him

bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

i would rather have big yogi than ronny!! anyone but ronny the guy is a clueless dumpling!!!!

Phaco
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Yogi’s my man. A born fighter, honest as the day is long and would have walked to parkhead when we approached him to sign for us. Met the man face to face, absolute gent. Hh

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Phaco

Being a ‘gent’ is no guarantee of anything. Murinioh is a bawbag but whom would you rather have? Moot point, but yi get ma drift.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Stevie Clarke. Did well @ WBA (highest league finish in > 30 years), great coaching skills at top EPL clubs, decent record as manager of unfancied clubs and huge experience of some top managers.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

Cecil,
Clarke wouldn’t be my first choice but i’d definitely have him before Deila!

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I’d have Charlie Saiz before Deila, too. But wait, anybody ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

Phaco
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Bondi, my points are, he is a fighter ,honest and true. Him being a gent has nothing to do with it, a mere observation. Hh

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

bgbhoy,
Absolutely!

iancelt67
8 years ago

http://www.soccerpilot.com/tactic/articles/introduction-to-the-4-2-3-1-formation,-soccer.html

Note the requirements and physicality needed of the striker and the requirements of the defence.. i dont think this system is being implemented properly at celtic. but im an armchair coach. The premise seems to be to trust that it will simk in eventually but in the short term it will be boring as bat shit and occasionally we will lose to motherwell at home but hang in there we will get it right eventually. And glory is just down the road. I dont buy into this at all

Monti
8 years ago

Is anyone else waiting on the chocolatesticians?

Monti
8 years ago

Leicester City play 4-4-2 and it works a dream, is bringing them unprecedented success.

Charlie Saiz it’s Mike Bassett…Hmmmmmm

You decide.

bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

monti, charlie saiz is peter lawell or ronny deila!!!! not a dig due to possible logistics issues charlie but do you go to the games? its chronic… we would not be able to attract any players due to the empty seats and poor craic!!! its a dowward spiral and if not adjusted in the next 2 weeks one we could take 10 years to recover from in respect of ucl entry!!!

Monti
8 years ago

Lindt, the master chocolateurs!!

bgbhoy
8 years ago

ronny – the master bater

torrancetimebomb
8 years ago

camberwick, you don’t understand all the negativity ? really have you watched the team recently, do you think that the performances are good enough?, are you really saying that you are happy with this? was Europe all right for you?, was saturday acceptable ?, not for me mate and also you ask “if you cant see what Ronnie is doing” please explain, what is he doing apart from our worst performances in Europe on many a year, a 1 point lead in the SPFL when Aberdeen could not buy a win in 8 games and a team that looks gutless, clueless and scared
your thoughts please

delbhoy
8 years ago

You cant defend the indefensible , basic management, when a team gets a corner against us its like a penalty due to the organisation , and its been the same all season. Delia cant even organise a team to defend corners so i fail to see how he can have a grand master plan

Peter k
8 years ago

Its the supporters fault get a grip ralph, celtic do not play 1 up front always always two, we dont play wingers in midfieild or midfielders on the wing like what happened on saturday …deliah has not a clue

delbhoy
8 years ago

Ive said for ages that yogi would be a great manager , he learned under the great tommy burns to play football the celtic way, he works well witg kids , brought young christie through. More importantly any player will run through a brick wall for the big man! He would also give something thats been sorely lacking , abit of fun in our club , heart and commitment which the fans want to see

iancelt67ft
8 years ago

Think if the presx or social media is affecting thr players.. then they shoulf resist the urge and look up red tube instead. Or br thick skinned enough to wear it. Though on match days its unavoidable … criticism and grumbling from fams can fuck a team up or a player up ..it is howevrr part of the game. Good counselling maybe for the sensitivr typed or beta males on big money

Jocsoc
8 years ago

I know it’s the season of good will,but after watching the Motherwell game, Bah Humbug!
We were rudderless,gutless,hopeless and eventually pointless.And nobody seemed at all upset by it.
Where is the high tempo, high pressing game we are supposed to be playing? Everybody wants to have three or four touches before they pass the ball.No one tries to play first time passes or move the ball quickly enough to catch out retreating opponents and keep them wrong footed.Our back four should be given their own ball so they can spend more time passing to each other and occasionally to the opposition.Perhaps mock goals at either end of the halfway line might start our players passing towards the real thing.
How many teams both domestic and foreign have come to CP this season and shown us the benefits of moving quickly from defence to attack with just a few well rehearsed break-out passes.We get the ball in defence and virtually everybody in the team has got to have their regulation touches before it meets a barrier of opponents twenry yards from their goal. What’s the point of having wingers who are encouraged to cut in and cause more congestion in central areas. It is a well known fact that going to the bye- line and turning defenders towards their own goal causes panic and produces goals.Celtic wingers have been doing this successfully since 1888.Why stop.now?
After Saturday’s performance, Ronny won’t have the worry of CL qualification, that will be the problem of Aberdeen, unless…….

Lenny Bruce
8 years ago

Morning Ralph

I am on the other side of the Ronnie fence from you, but have to say I am really enjoying your output on this, but also in all things Celtic.

Thanks for the work. It can’t be easy. And you need to read the papers to do it, which is worth some kind of certificate in itself.

The etims comments section will rival CQN in a few months if it keeps going like this (though hopefully without all the posts about dead friends and relations.)

Fwiw, if we take less than 4 points in our next two games, it will be over for Ronny imho. The majority of the support are not with him and the board will have their hand forced I think as fans will vote with their feet.

The next games are two stinking away fixtures and we will have bad press relating to things off the park, I imagine. Going to be like Christmas in the 90’s unless the team find another gear.

If we don’t do well in these away games (we are better away from home right now, so fingers crossed) the crowd at the next cp game will be the final straw.

Merry Christmas Ralph. Well played all year sir.

8 years ago

Great read today, it’s like you were in my head and laid it all out better than I could have in 1000 attempts. Glad you stuck to the Celtic stuff while you were there…..some of the other stuff in my head doesn’t need to get out…. Hail Hail!

Una
8 years ago

Watched epl match of the day last night, Martin Keown touched on something that all Celtic fans are talking about,one up front his assessment was that he had an easy time of it when teams played one up front against Arsenal but the teams who played with 2-3 up front meant he was going to be in for a day of it. Pretty simple really but tell that to ron & the 2 johns. It’s time for a change, looks like we got well over the odd’s fro vvd what a howler against kane, but hey he’s learnt more down there than at Celtic.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Una

The statistician will be on shortly to tell you you are wrong, he will be armed with the stats to err, prove that.

John
8 years ago
Reply to  Una

Phil Neville also said most teams in Spain are playing 2 up front

big shuggy
8 years ago

Cue alarm clock,it clicks to 6am and sonny n cher sing i got you babe. Bill Murray smashes alarm clock and he’s back to etims ground hog day.

Can i please just remind everyone we are all Celtic supporters who all want the best for the club but obviously have differing opinions on how we should go about this.

Just because someone has a different opinion doesn’t make them an idiot or a clown.Yes it might be frustrating when we all want the best for the team we love. So please can we stop the bickering and keep it to well constructed debate. After all we are not huns,are we?

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  big shuggy

‘stop bickering’ Good luck with that one Shug.

( BTW ah totally argee with yi…its oh so tedious and has been for a few months.)

Mike Annis
8 years ago

Interesting again Ralph but Ibtgink you answer your own argument in a way. A year ago we were crap at times and wanted the manager out. Move on 12 months and guess what? We’re still crap and want the manager out. Crap is crap and you call this progress or development? He keeps saying the right things but I see no evidence, still learnt nothing and after two years I doubt he will.

Devoy45
8 years ago

Stats. By my count, following Ralph’s article, of the fifteen posters, posting 34 times, 12 out of 15 clearly want Ronny out. Three are lukewarm about Ronny but are clear what he must do to keep his job. Early on, I wanted Ronny out because he seemed to be another Mowbray. He wasn’t and at times (not often enough mind) I saw some wonderful football. I then bought into ‘the system’. Losing both Van Dijk and Denayer was a big blow, one we haven’t recovered from. Now, we own most of our players and they are on long-term contracts. Many of them are young Scottish players. We need to put some daylight between us and the rest. Here’s how:
Play Janko at right back. Keep playing Tierney. Get a centre back to partner Jozo. Ambrose or Mulgrew will do for now. Give Gordon a wee rest. Play Forrest only on the right. Play Commons where he wants to play. Buy a striker who will score, to support Griffiths. Vary the system to keep our opponents guessing.
Deila must stop commenting on other teams, on trebles and so on. Deila must also call the MIBs out from time to time, to keep them honest, otherwise they will run all over us. He should play head games with them like every other manager in Scotland does. We have three games into early January. After those three games, the anti-Ronny brigade can have their say and who knows, may be celebrating. I hope not. We both can’t be right. Whatever happens, I won’ be eating any humble pie because I think this forum’s treatment of Deila is often shameful. He is not a clown, an idiot or fuckin clown. He is trying to do something good and may fail, the way we all do every day of the week. For the record, Big Yogi would work for me far better than Rogers, Keane or Moyes. It will be an interesting fortnight. Bring it on but fetch my meds.

Captain Trips
8 years ago

I made my first comment on here yesterday after years of lurking, and it irks me that my first contribution was a negative one, but I honestly couldn’t believe what I was reading. This current team is utterly gutless, and that all stems from the manager. He’s had 18 months to implement his philosophy. The argument that he’s had to replace two centre halves is nonsense – he had plenty of time to sort it in the summer – if he didn’t realise VVD was leaving he was in a minority of one. It’s not going to get any better. I don’t have any clear idea of who I want to replace him, but this team is so poor that virtually any of the names who’ve been touted on here in the last couple of days would be an improvement.

Devoy45
8 years ago

Add two more to ‘Ronny out’: ‘for Ronny’ 3, against 14. Remember how Maley’s used to do opinion polls all the time? Can we do a poll on this forum? Ralph, Hector? The expected anti-Ronny result would give the MSM some wonderful trouser tenting. A pro Ronny result wouldn’t get mentioned of course. I suspect slightly more people support Ronny over all than we get on this forum. Just curious.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

If you believe the MSM have a hard on for not keeping Ronny, then more fool you. They are delighted that Deila shows no great ability and rub their (better say) hands in anticipation of more European embarrassment for our club and the much needed revenue that goes with it.
It’s not about being ‘anti Deila’, it’s about seeing Celtic flourish.

Andy
8 years ago

Henrik Larsson: RIF/AMC/FC
Chris Sutton: MC/DC/DMC/ST
Scott Brown: RM/MC/AMC/DMC
Guido Marulingo: LW/AMC/ST
Giovanni Van Bronk: LW/DMC/LB/LWB
Portuguese Prick: RW/FC/LIF/AMC
Lustig: RB/CB
Commons: CAM/LW/FC(with support)/RIF(apparently)
Jackie M: RM/CM/RB/RWB/CDM

I could do this all day…..

I shouldn’t have to anyone that understands the development of players knows this has to happen. A 4-4-2 would not enable us to train LW/RW/LIF/RIF/AMC. Furthermore training an all round striker that can lead the line on his own means he can easily play as part of a 2 or 3.

Who cares right we just want to win games don’t we?

Yes and no. We have successfully trained and sold a GK, CB & CDM for big bucks. These types of players do not need to have massive amounts of fluidity to their game and only need to sit in one position and watch the other players bomb around switching positions and making runs into channels etc.

If we are able to produce top class attacking players like the ones mentioned above then we would be able to ask for upwards of £18 million, but they will have to produce in Europe; so Ronny is never going to risk losing the league. He will happily drop points to prove to a player or 2 he is lacking in certain areas of his game, but we will try and win everything.

To prove my point I give you Gary Mackay-Steven he is an explosive LW the ball just seems to stick to his feet, but when he arrived it became apparent that was all he could do. Right now he is with the development squad training to play RIF, he is also working on his physical presence. Once he is physically ready and his muscle memory had accepted his new stature he will likely be a devastating LW/LM/RIF/AMC. Who knows he might end up p playing through the middle one-day.

Please get behind the project. It will produce amazing results, be happy with the odd domestic slip up because it means our players are learning something.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Nurse!

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Nurse! Quick Monti is about to lose his mind there is another logical argument that cannot be rebuffed with logic.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

You’ll need more than a nurse.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

GMS only proves the point that Deila’s an ace as destroying decent players. Getting behind Deila’s project will lead us to oblivion. The players have leant nothing in 18 months and the newer ones are forgetting all the good stuff they once knew.

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

Just wait till March…..

John
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

This time next year I will be a millionaire!

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

You see destruction. I see increased adaptability, a weaker foot getting stronger, strength, improved shooting, improved stamina etc. My l only grips is I think Celtic should be doing more for the technical aspect of our players. I would like to see money spent on a better shooting coach and a better technical coach for our wide players.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

If that wasn’t at the expense of his existing talents, I’d be content enough. Making a player forget what he’s good at to improve what he’s bad at isn’t likely to deliver the sort of quality and talent that we need.

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

Those existing talents have not gone they are still there do you remember how clumsy you were when you were going through growth spurts? Have you ever coached youth players, when all of a sudden your best player starts falling over his own feet and goes from 5ft winger to a target man in less than a year? Something similar is happening here; GMS is making gains physically and his muscle memory is having to catch up.
I have said before and will say again we need a different approach to our shooting coaching and our crossing coaching. Our players are technically suffering when it comes to crossing and suffering reaction wise when it comes to shooting. It is like we have a former midfielder teaching everyone to take that long wind up like shooting from deep and an old school limited full-back teaching everyone to cross by just spelling the side of the ball. I have already suggested 2 coaches.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

@andy
Spot on mate.
Some cannot see past a result so bear that in mind bud.

Captain Trips
8 years ago

Posted to soon! edit – The argument that he’s had to replace two centre halves is nonsense – he had plenty of time to sort it in the summer – if he didn’t realise VVD was leaving he was in a minority of one. Who’s responsibility is it to replace him, and Denayer? Deila’s. So why wait until the last day of the transfer window?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Captain Trips

The Club have a very large hand to play in this.
We brought in Boyata (on a contract) and spent a reported £5m on Jozo.
Which should have been fine had Mulgrew Lustig and Janko not got injured meanwhile.
Not to mention the form of Izzy dropping again.
Unforeseen circumstances bud that have proved very damaging this Season up till now.
Boyata and Jozo are beginning to work it out.

broxburnbhoy
8 years ago

I agree that the performances for the most part have been poorer than expected. I also agree that an appropriate sense of urgency be communicated to Delia and Collins as well as the players. That said there is little need to panic or run around with ones hair on fire. I believe that Delia and Collin’s tenure is in the balance and they should be set points and cups targets to achieve by the end of February. If they achieve them with style and the type of football we have been promised, then hooray and we can build on it. If they fail to achieve them, then I think the Delia experiment will have failed. We have ( mostly ) the players to execute in terms of their abilities as compared to others in Scotland at least. Some of the potential managers names mentioned here are pie in the sky of course as is the spend spend spend demands. If we do get a new manager at some point before the end of this season, he will face the exact same financial situation as we do today, in the same country we play in today, with the same TV deal we have today and probably have to hold onto most of the same players we have today. We have no God given right to win every single game we play in Scotland or elsewhere, so we will lose an occasional game or two, we will play badly and win and of course we will win many more games than we lose in Scotland, just like we always have. There is no panic here, there is a sense that Delia and Collins need to make good on their promises of a style and approach that will have the crowds coming back and excited again.

Joe
8 years ago

Totally agree with this Ralph.

Since the Martin O’Neil days there has been an increasing sense of entitlement that has crept into the Celtic support, and the demise of Rangers has fed into this.

And this “Oh! So it’s our fault now, is it?” reaction can bolt as well. We’re perfectly willing to take the credit for being the ’12th man’ in the big games, but reject the fact that it can go both ways? How convenient.

The other factor is the fact that (at least a vocal section of) the support take against managers ‘just because’. It was the case with WGS – they didn’t like him because they didn’t like him because they didn’t like him. Oh, I mean he won the league 3 times on the spin for the first time since the great man himself, and got us to the last 16 of the champions league twice, but other than that he was useless.

It’s the same here. Ronny is disliked because he’s not Neil Lennon or Martin O’Neil, basically – a condition that many suffer from. Despite the fact that the football is certainly no worse. And look how well Lennon’s doing down south – tactical mastermind.

People will, in the same breath, talk about the ‘Celtic way’ and the win over Barca. There is no relationship between those two things. There is no major victory in Europe recently that hasn’t been the result of keeping it tight and trying to nick one. That is not my understanding of the ‘Celtic Way’. Either you want it or you don’t. And if you want free flowing, attacking football, it takes time when you have the relative resources that Celtic have.

If you want to bully the wee teams in Scotland, then grind out the odd big result in Europe, that’s much easier. And a lot less consistent in the long run.

Based on the reactions of the support during the Strachan era, I think it’s fair to say that, short of winning the champions league, there’s nothing that Ronny can do to win the support over.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

“Since the Martin O’Neil days there has been an increasing sense of entitlement that has crept into the Celtic support, and the demise of Rangers has fed into this.”
100% nail on the head Joe.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

It’s about Deila being not very good at his chosen profession.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

His 4 Titles in Management might just undermine your argument methinks?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Behave Duncan, if that’s what you hold dear, then we might as well give up.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

It’s the bead and butter andy it’s what European nights are built on.
No League and no Cups?
No European nights.
Simples.

John
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Malmo Maribor Molde Warsaw, when will the list end?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  John

It won’t it’s never ending in Football.
Wacker Inssbruck Politehnica Timişoara Neuchâtel Xamax
FC Zürich Artmedia Shakhter Sion

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

” Entitlement “?
Don’t talk shite man, WANTING your team to be far better than they are isn’t entitlement, it is expectation.
If you are happy with being unable to beat the bottom sides in the SPL then fill your fucking boots.

Joe
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

We’ve lost 2 games this season, and one of them was against Aberdeen.

That puts out loss percentage at 11% in the league.

Our win percentage in the league is 72%.

What do you consider reasonable?

Based on what you say here, it sounds like you think that we should win every game across an entire season.

I’d call that entitlement.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

What was our win % in the secondary European tournament?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

For fuck sake it’s the twelve apostles…….or the three statisticians.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

back to the abuse again I see.
See that apology you felt compelled to give me yesterday Monti?
Stick it up your shite box son.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Like the song says “….don’t care if we win, lose or draw…..”. It’s the shite performances that are the problem and playing in a way that’s not the Celtic way (despite promises to the contrary from the manager).

No complaints from me if we were doing this in Tommy Burns style.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Spot on though I fear wasted on them Joe.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

” Them “??
Fuck off ya creep!

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe

That’s just a selective and incorrect assessment of what’s being said. Ronny appears to be pretty well liked. “Decent guy” appears regularly in criticisms.

The problem is that he’s not delivering the high intensity, one-touch football that he espouses. It’s not just that he’s not delivering, he’s getting further away from his ‘plan’ with every game. He doesn’t show any tactical ability, he mismanages players, he plays players out of position, he can’t explain or sell his vision to players and the results are there for us to see when we’re out-thought, out-fought and out-played by teams with nothing like our budgets, crowds or expectations.

There’s only one reason for all that and it’s that the nice guy’s been promoted to his highest level of incompetence, he’s been found out and he must be fired before he does any more lasting damage.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

devoy… the mans time is up!! it was an experiment, and the experiment failed… if it doesnt work now what chance has it got in 3 years time? if rivals get stronger etc? 10 in a row must be protected at all costs!! i fear under this man maybe noit this season but in seasons to come he will fail!!! thats not even considering his shambolic european displays which could end up bankrupting the club … we need ucl money to survive.. without it then things will get a WHOLE lot worse!!!

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Amen to that.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Well said Ralph great Diary.
Said enough now on the subject I am hoping they give the guy time to lay those foundations and bring through the future.
HH

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Oh for fuck sake, someone switch him off!!!

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti I am quite sure that feeling is mutual.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

He’s just a few letters on a screen Andy he has no relevance to me 😉

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

🙂

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I see you have a new troll M.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

I see Montis shadow has appeared like magic again 😉

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Duncan… ssssshhhhhhhhh!!!

Listen to he who shadows everyone’s comments.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Lol it’s no coincidence you appear every time Monti posts andy.
You and I are fully aware of this.
I’d hate to think you have multiple accounts on here to back your arguments up that would be sad.
Very sad indeed.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Not as sad as you and I’m sure you could check with Richie on that one.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

We both know you can get round an IP Address with little effort andy.
We had a guy on another Forum who had 5 running.
Total loon ball wrecked the Forum.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

So, you are saying Monti and I are one of the same and I am running various aliases on this site?
Why would I do that?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Same thing seems to happen with you, Charlie, Andy, Bondi and Dan….
Difference?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Or is it the fact that you have been rumbled having seen your Twitter account with the presumptuous use of a Gaelic interpretation of your name?
Do you think your’e Phil Macgiollabhain?
Or is it your Tweets that don’t receive a reply?
Or are you such a control freak that you fret over your online Nirvana?

John
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie Saiz is English for Ronny Deila

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz
Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

@andybhoy
“I’d hate to think you have multiple accounts on here to back your arguments up that would be sad.”
The fact you seem to come and goo together within short periods of time might just have got me thinking this.
Also the fact you do tend to agree on just about every single subject matter in here.
I tend to notice these wee patterns having witnessed them before Else where.
A forum can quickly break when this is happening and I would hate to have that happen to this one.
If I am wrong then of course I apologise unreservedly.
HH

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Yip 🙂

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti/Andyboy please don’t try N drag me inti yer petty playground squabbles with others on this site. Rest assured am ma own man without having ti be so ridiculous as having a few monikers to substantiate ma posts. Some of ma post are shite, some less so but ah niver resort ti slagging…unless its face to face. So really FFS can youse no just gies it a rest.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

I have not dragged you into anything. Do not be judge and jury because some insignificant twat has tried to discredit me with barefaced lies.
Monti, keep fighting the fight.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy,
Looks like the clique are getting a bit upset because they aren’t winning the fight.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Bondibrian,
You will be dragged in because you continually nibble at anything I say that doesn’t fit with your stato pals agenda.

Now, stop getting your panties in a bind and grow a pair!

Andy
8 years ago

More of an OGRE actually. “Better out than in I always say.” Oh and I’m not new.

holy sea
8 years ago

I admire your stance,from a year ago,Ralph.
We all want Deila to be the real deal.However,
this plan,building your talking about…I ain’t seeing it.
My fear is,he fails again,at CL Qualifiers.We accept Europa League will be the norm for Celtic.Let Ronny continue,as he’s a nice guy,his plan has still got some way to go,but he’ll get their ?
Sorry,too much at risk,our club has to see CL riches at some point.Or do we have no ambition,and say,Europa League will always be our level ?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

How are you HS?

holy sea
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Not bad Andy.
Still read the diary.
But more of a Twitter man,now.
Ronny is sinking,mate.Thought he would be more of his own man,but he seems to being worked from behind.Must be Charlie Sais whose working him.lol
Cheers,mate

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

I’m not into that twitting malarky,I believe it can get you into some trouble.
But yep,it’s been dire with a few exceptions.
Still, I’ll be there on Sunday to give the purple pests some dokey, and hide my eyes if the sieve does what they seem to get coached to do.
Have a holy Christmas.

holy sea
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Cheers,mate.
You have a wonderful Christmas,and a Happy Green(Chuckles lol) New Year !!

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Sorry, I mean tweeting.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

Holy sea,
How’s things my friend?

holy sea
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Not bad,Monti.
I’ve caught the Twitter bug.My policy on it,is to block all Zombies.
Are you on it ?
Much debate on their,’re RD.
Good thing is,don’t see much tweets from Charlie Saiz
I’d say 60/40 would like RD to go.
Speak soon.
Cheers

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Holy sea,
I’m not on Twitter or Facebook mate, just a few blogs will do me.

I really miss Paul Mcconvilles ‘ Random thoughts ‘ blog, though.

Good battles with a few Zombies on there lol!

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

Went fishing …caught nowt’ 😉

Andy
8 years ago

I don’t see relying on Champions League money so any kind of plan. I mean it’s nice, but I wouldn’t rely on it. That’s like relying on your Christmas bonus to pay for your car. What happens if something goes wrong and you don’t get your Christmas bonus?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Tell that to the Board.

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Doubt I have to, they know as well as I do to balance the books they have to sell or best players. At least our current crop of players are on less wages because they were signed as prospects and not First team players. At least they will feel they owe something to the club for making them complete players.

holy sea
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Mate,look at what we are up against ?
Yes,we should be in CL Groups every 2nd season.
The 25-30M from CL should be the PLAN,that makes our club progress.
Look at Gent and PSV in last 16 CL ?
Do they have a bigger budget than us ?
Do they pay their players more than us ?

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

Ghent are have been doing exactly what we are trying to do, go look at their squad they only have 4 players that have been there more than 3 years and off those 3 came through the youth system. I honestly believe that the major difference between us and the 2 teams you mentioned is both countries have much better Youth Development on a national scale. If you fly over both countries you can see it each school has 4-5 football pitches each 3-4 housing Estates have a fenced in all weather field. All Scotland has is Stewart Milne flats.

moisey17
8 years ago

we appear to be going backwards and quickly but can’t put a finger on why….players and/or coaching?
For a brief spell middle of last season you could see something brewing that looked very promising but since then we seem to have gone back to becoming a one trick pony.
Interestingly the big sell was fitness, pace, diet etc – i now see no evidence that we are fitter or faster than any of our opponents?

8 years ago

The sooner he goes the better but am not sure if he’s the full problem get rid of Collins and bring in yogi I think we would see the benift very quickly but dailia keeps playing guys out of position then when he sees they are shite he does nothing
talks a good game yes but can’t put it Into practice I never want anyone to fail at celtic but he has so go

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  drewster

Don’t understand the John Hughes thing like guys, a decent bloke but not the calibre to attract players to the club.
We must think bigger and pay bigger….

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Yogi don’t do it for me either. But ah stand by the thought RD – for better or worse – will see the season oot.

ian
8 years ago

Europe, pants pulled down and bottom well & truly spanked. League, top of the league but football being played such pish the stadium is half empty, defensive displays so shamefully inept a under 11 team would be too fucking embarrassed to put on football boots ever again.
But its xmas so lets ease off for a while.
Brendan Behen, Who Fears Too Speak of Easter Week.

ian
8 years ago

Link don’t work, check it out on youtube.

big shuggy
8 years ago

i have tried to post a few times on here and only a couple have made it on. any reason for this?

big shuggy
8 years ago

How long does it take for the regular posters on here to see their post?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  big shuggy

Instantly!

bgbhoy
8 years ago

laughable people can see this turning out well!! 4 titles charlie? in the norwegian league and the scottish league? wow…. someone give this man an obe for services to scottish sport!! christ almighty!! this obsession you have with ronny astonishes me!! if your happy with what your seeing carry on!! ive asked you 4 times now charlie if you actually go to the gmaes?? do you make the effort in the wind and rain!? do you drivfe 4 hours to aberdeen? only to be met with an utter shmables of a team? how many european trips have you paid the guts of a grand on only to be beaten by part time fishermen and skiers??? once you do that, and only when you do that can you belittle someones opinion on the manager and call them clowns for asking for him to be removed!!!

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

I have belittled no ones opinion on here or anywhere else for that matter all I have done is post an opinion based on fact and stats.
I think you will find the belittling of that opinion has come the other way bud.
The facts remain the players I said have been injued have been injued
The goals we have scored playing 1 up have been scored
The possession we have had in games we have lost is fact
The chances we have created in these games have been fact
The defensive issues have been fact
The Titles Delia came with and have won since again fact.
Whether someone drive 8 million miles through a Solar flare to get there changes hee haw mate these are facts.
Deila is pish- that’s an opinion
Deila can’t man manage-that’s an opinion
Deila kills whales- that’s an opinion

Now if all you have to come up with is an opinion then fine.
I come to my conclusions in a different way that’s all.
HH

bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

“what the clowns on here dont realise….” so whats that then? RONNY OUT!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Deila out now!

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Please.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Are you suggesting there are no clowns on here then bg?
You may well think I am it’s been said often enough by some.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

That’s a hat tip to the clowns bg.
If the big shoe fits wear it if not ignore it.
I have been called a clown a few times directly so no probs here.

Monti
8 years ago

Deila out! 🙂

Joe
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Barca have drawn their last 3 games…

Enrique out!

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

WELL HULLO!!!!!!!

bgbhoy
8 years ago

i can see a disaster at the weekend occuring!! this man has to be one more defeat from the sack.. tynecaste not a nice place to go if your fearing for your job!

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

I agree or result at the weekend could be disastrous I am hoping it is not and that the manager puts out a team where all of our players are playing in their natural position Tynecastle is not the place to try and make Right footed players better at cutting in from the left and shooting or making them better at crossing with their weaker foot. It is where we go to score 3-4 goals so we can watch Griff get booked for leaving the pitch for his celebrations with the Hearts fans.

Broxburnbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Right on Andy – strongest non experimental team on the park please

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Is that not what he’s meant to do in EVERY game?

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

You read my long earlier post. Ronny will take a risk against the Killies and Motherwell of this world, but I doubt he will do it with Hearts or Aberdeen.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

What you have just said is very odd indeed….

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

My point Monti is he knows he MUST TAKE POINTS from Aberdeen, Hearts and St. Johnstone the rest will take care of each other dropping points wise. That will ensure he has more breathing space to use matches against the lower 5 as a training exercise for some of the players (playing “out of position”).

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

I have no fear of Tynecastle at the weekend and I expect Celtic to win by at least 2 goals and that is from somebody that doesn’t predict score lines.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy,
I wish I had your faith for Tynecastle, more dropped points I fear!

bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

no fear based on??? cant see anything other than failure at the weekend

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

I’m still a Celtic supporter and if I didn’t think we could win that game and win it with a bit to spare, then we truly would be donald ducked.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy,
We aren’t beating Kilmarnock and Motherwell so how do we beat a better team in Hearts with ease?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Teams are a bit more open against us when they are at home and the Jammed farts fans demand that they attack us, so I feel we have a good opportunity to catch them out more so than when we’re at home.

broxburnbhoy
8 years ago

I think what we need to see is the high pressing fast passing game that we were promised and has been seen all too rarely. When the management team lay that out as an aspiration and have a group of professional football players at their disposal, it is fair to think that we would be seeing this style a bit more regularly one and a half years later. We can all have opinions on managers, players and board that is fine. None of those opinions, which are after all amateur ( since we are not professional board members, football managers or players )are better than another just different however passionately they are held. The bottom line is no need to panic and there is a need to see the style of football we were promised after one a half years of development. If we start to play like that fine – we are on track if we are unable to play like that we need a new approach and a new manager.

IniquitousIV
8 years ago

You could be Pep Guardiola, and you would still be able to do nothing with Cifti and Cole. They are slower than three legged tortoises with arthritis. Strikers need speed. Look at Leicester and Watford just now – their front two players are like greased lightning. Our two imposters were slower than McManus on Saturday – a lot slower. Without Griff, we are dead in the water with these two.

broxburnbhoy
8 years ago

Oh and I dislike Hearts more than you can imagine and that is no place to abandon our team or manager. The bhoys who go to Swinecastle need to back the team 100% for the full 90 minutes. Send the “jam tarts” home sick and well beaten with the Soldier’s Song ringing in their orc ears!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  broxburnbhoy

I like this!

Throw in a bit of ‘ 18 Brits ‘ and ‘ Go on home ‘ and we have a deal!

Andy
8 years ago

Hearts won’t Park the bus at home there will be more space. You might just get your wish.

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