Celtic’s very own stand up comedian hasn’t been allowed anywhere near the stage of late.
He made up for that yesterday.
The assistant manager was at Hampden for the League Cup semi final draw, which paired Celtic with Ross County, and couldn’t help himself.
He may have felt he was defending his boss, Ronny Deila, or he may have been misquoted, but it would be much easier if he could maybe find out if the operation to remove one’s vocal chords is available on the NHS.
Otherwise, we’ll have to have a whip round for him.
On Deila’s style, he said;
“What would you expect him to change? Of course we want to tighten up.
“Against Molde we were the better team in the two games. We created more chances and had more possession but they were more clinical.
“They defended, sat behind the ball and weren’t bothered about any kind of possession, even at home. We couldn’t play like that at home against Molde. The way they play, sitting back, they get away with it. But we don’t want to play like that.
I think it’s only fair to remind him at this point that Celtic were beaten in both games, which negates his “better team ” theory, and as for not wanting to adopt the Molde style, which involves winning, then we may have a problem.
Anyone watching Deila post match can see the hurt and anger.
Anyone watching Collins can see he doesn’t give a toss.
I’m not going to say I’d rather lose but it is not something that excites me, playing football without the ball.
“Would you like us to play five at the back, four in midfield, one up front, get the keeper to roll it to the edge of his box, kick it up the pitch, defend and try to get a counter attack?
“It is maybe the way to get a 1-0 result. A lot of people might be happy. But it is not the way we want to develop the team.”
I’d have taken two 1-0 wins over Molde.
I can see what he’s trying to say, but I’m a little worried about the complete lack of rationality in his statements.
Get the job done first.
Develop how you do it later.
Should have thought that was common sense.
Meanwhile, Davie Moyes has been sacked by Real sociedad for not being very good, and the Record claims;
David Moyes favourite to be next Celtic boss after Real Sociedad axe
THE former Manchester United boss is hotly tipped to take over the Parkhead hotseat after his 12 month spell in Spain’s La Liga ends with the sack.
DAVIE MOYES has been made even money favourite by bookies to be the next Celtic manager after he was sacked by Real Sociedad.
The former Everton and Manchester United boss, who was axed by the Spanish club along with his assistant, fellow Scot Billy McKinlay, had been in charge for exactly a year.
Now bookies believe Parkhead will be the next managerial destination for the 52-year-old who played for three seasons for Celtic from 1980.
Do they ?
Let’s have a look at one of those websites where you can compare odds…
Search results for: “next celtic manager”
No results
No search results for next celtic manager. Please try another query.
Well, that surprises me.
Another candidate, who appears to be making his face known again, for the non existant Celtic vacancy would have been Paul Lambert.
But he appears to have blown it before the campaign begins, which will probably be after the Ajax game.
You know what, wins over Ajax and Fenerbache may not be possible, they may not even be likely, but if they do happen to come along, if the players do what they are capable of, then I’ll leap so fucking high the orbital space station had better make sure it’s insurance is fully paid up.
Anyway, back to Lambert, who said, during the soup course;
“The worst thing ever to happen was Rangers getting demoted It took the competition away and made Scottish football a mockery.
“Scottish football is suffering without Rangers playing against Celtic. I’ll guarantee if Rangers came up, you’d get a lot better standard of player coming to this country to play.”
Paul Lambert ?
In reality, of course, all of this nonsense surrounding deila is to deflect from the shennigans and stench of corruption that pervades throughout the game north of the border.
Instead of filling column inches about Celtics imaginary crisis, hacks should be looking into the full story surrounding years of cheating and finacial misdemeanours surrounding the david Murray years.
Maybe they should be talking to Murray.
Maybe they should be asking why agents reccommended to their clients that they should accept EBTs as part of their salaries.
Perhaps even asking the law firms who set up the trusts why they went ahead with what was obvious to them, and if it wasn’t, it should have been, nothing more than tax fraud .
The bigger story here is that a major multinational company has been involved in stiffing the taxpayer, in the way that amazon, bots and Starbucks, to name a few, have also been accused of.
If you don’t ask the questions, you won’t get the answers.
Which reminds me, Second Rangers, thats the nearly dead club, nt the original dead on, released a statement yesterday;
THE SPFL Board has stated they held a conference call to be given a factual update on the Court of Session EBT ruling and so it would be remiss of the Rangers Board not to state the Club’s view.
The first thing to be said is that Rangers has made it clear it wishes to reach out and work with all clubs to help revitalise Scottish football, which has also suffered in recent years. There is much to be done and Rangers wants to be part of the way forward.
Our game has to become more attractive to potential sponsors and partners if the finance levels required are to be generated but this can only be done if we present a coherent and united strategy. Therefore, a line must be drawn now if we are all to prosper.
It is our irrevocable belief that this Club’s history, including its many successes, is beyond debate. Rangers cannot countenance or accept any talk, attempts or actions designed to undermine what this Club has achieved throughout its long history.
So, as far as this Club is concerned there is no need for further SPFL consideration of court judgements or appeals. They should be saying it is time for everyone to move on and work together for the greater good of the game. Scottish football has suffered enough.
Yes, lets give them a big hug and forget all about it.
Radio Clydes Superscoreboard, with expert panelists Hugh Keevins and Derek Johnstone did their level 5 best last night to convince a bewildered audience that games were won on the pitch, and so therefore, the inevitable stripping of trophies should not take place.
Johnstone, in particluar, was a little keen on this.
Apparently, he reckons its what happens on the pitch that counts…so, let’s pop back in time, to 1972, and the run to Barcelona that saw Rangers win their only European trophy…with the help of the Guardian….
In the second round, Rangers were paired with Sporting Lisbon, the competition favourites. Drawn at home first, two goals from Stein and one from Willie Henderson – each via a clever free-kick arrangement – put them three up by half-time. But Sporting rallied in the second period, scoring twice to set up a fascinating return.
A baggage handlers’ strike at Heathrow, compounded by fog, meant that Rangers’ journey to Portugal took a day and a half; they arrived in Lisbon just 24 hours before kick-off. By which time a crowd of 60,000 had created a febrile, intimidating atmosphere, with the help of drums, chants, fireworks and a stadium announcer who jeered the visiting players.
Nonetheless, Rangers started well enough, keeping Sporting at bay for the first quarter. But Héctor Yazalde then gave them the lead, and though Stein responded within a minute, João Laranjeira scored just before half-time. A minute into the second period, Stein equalised again, but Yazalde then broke Ronnie McKinnon’s leg – he’d miss the rest of the season – and then a late Manuel Pedro Gomes goal sent the contest into extra-time. Willie Henderson quickly put Rangers back ahead, but Fernando Peres gave Sporting a 4-3 win on the night and tied the tie 6-6 on aggregate to force a shoot-out.
As the players prepared themselves, excited locals spilled over the barriers and on to the apron of the pitch, after which Rangers folded. Three of their first four kickers missed – Davie Smith twice, after his was ordered to be retaken – while Sporting scored their first four, Damas, the goalkeeper, chaired off the pitch by invading fans. Rangers were out of the competition.
Except that Rangers weren’t out of the competition; in a quite magnificent display of dunderheadedness, Laurens van Ravens, the Dutch referee had failed to note that even away goals scored in extra-time counted double. “I remember sitting in the dressing room and the heads were down,” said Johnston. “Then the journalist John Fairgrieve came in and told us we were through.”
So, armed with his pal’s handbook, Waddell went looking for the relevant Uefa official to indicate the relevant point, and the result was quickly overturned. Not quickly enough for the morning papers, the Times reporting that Rangers had lost “on penalty goals”, but, it would be they, not Sporting, who met Torino in the quarter-finals.
The Rangers team that won the trophy ?
GK1
Peter McCloyDF2 Sandy JardineDF3 Willie MathiesonDF4 John Greig (c)DF5 Derek JohnstoneMF6 David SmithMF7 Tommy McLeanMF8 Alfie ConnFW9 Colin SteinMF10 Alex MacDonaldFW11 Willie JohnstonSubstitutes:GK17
Gerry NeefDF15 Jim DennyFW16 Graham FyfeMF14 Andy PenmanFW12 Derek ParlaneManager: Willie Waddell
No results
No se
David Moyes should be approached to be the new Celtic manager, he is proven in the English premiership with Everton.
You just need to look at what his peers have to say about him as a manager.
2003, 2005 and 2009 league managers association manager of the year.
Rated highly enough to be offered the Manchester United job.
A Glasgow born Celtic supporter who HAS proved himself in arguably the best league in the world.
No brainer.
Celtic manager David Moyes? I like the sound of that.
Then again maybe some can see after the two Molde games that we are a great side under Deila and there isn’t a problem.
Come home Moyes!
Proven how exactly?
Proven he can keep a mediocre outfit mediocre?
Ask any Everton fan if they would swap Roberto Martinez for David Moyes.
I mind Kevin Sheedy remarking “Davie Moyes?…he never asked about the Everton youth teams once!”
Somehow I don’t think hes the answer regardless of what the question is.
” Proven how exactly “?
FFS.. OK, I’ll try and be clear.
Moyes was Everton manager for 11 years and at that point, his longevity in the Goodison hot seat was only bettered by Alex Ferguson ( man u) and Wenger ( Arsenal).
Moyes narrowly failed to take Everton into the top four places in the English premiership DESPITE a decreasing transfer/wage budget.
Four times he took Everton into Europe during those years and narrowly missing out on the CL in one season.
He guided Everton to Cup semi finals and an FA cup final, losing to Chelsea.
He took over Everton from Walter the myth, struggling and ailing.
To top it all off, his work at Everton impressed Manchester utd enough to offer him the job at old Trafford.
Anyone who knows football will tell you he was shat on at Man Utd.
THAT PROVEN ENOUGH FOR YOU?
if your still struggling I can provide much more evidence that Moyes is a good manager!
Sigh
What next “Big Sam Allardyce”?
Lets get Moyes in…yeah 70 grand a week should do it, and what about players, yeah hes reknowned for buying cheap young talent and bringing them through successfully.
In a word
PISH.
Monti…the bank called…your reality check is ready
I’d take Brendan Rodgers before Moyes
Hi Monty,
Can you please tell me what success Moyes has had in his career?
Hail Hail
Hi Paul,
If you take a look at some of the points I made in reply to Desimond, hopefully that will answer you Paul.
Moyes hasn’t exactly got silverware to his name but what I am impressed with when it comes to Moyes, was his ability to take an ailing club, as they were under Smith and DRAMATICALLY changed their direction.
Desimond say’s Moyes isn’t about bringing through youth players, but how many players at Everton over Moyes tenure WERE given their chance under Moyes, I bet there are plenty.
Wayne Rooney at 16 for example.
The bottom line with young players,is that they have to be good enough and push for the first team squad.
It’s the same at Celtic, if the young players aren’t good enough should Deila play them anyway?
Must dash mate, I have a meeting at the bank….apparently. H H
Monti I am really surprised you have been sucked in by this RedTop attack on Celtic . It’s a deflect . Ronny isn’t going anywhere and certainly not for Fail Fail Moyes .
Dan,
I don’t read red tops, so I couldn’t be sucked in by them.
I Base my opinion on what I see, and Deila is a Charlatan.
Ah Agree with Desi Mond, Monti in all honesty are you sure its just because Moyes is – as you call it it – a ‘Glasgow born Celtic supporter’ the thrust of your argument????
Moyes: no thanks.
Bondibrian,
Can you read?
I’m more impressed with Moyes as a manager who lifted an ailing club in Everton and had them pushing higher and higher, which cannot be taken away from him.
He is Glasgow born and he is a Celtic supporter, is there something wrong with that?
Fuck sake min!
Think you will find that Moyes has leanings towards The Dark Side Bondi.
Ladbrokes have got betting on Moyes next club not the next Celtic manager. Newcastle United are 7/4 favourite. Celtic are 9/4 2nd favourite.
Marti,
Whoever he goes to they will be getting a good manager!
Funny how when Collins talks shite, he gets an etims bashin’ yet Deila talks utter shite and he is praised.
Chris,
Correct.
As for John Collins, he is only following his ‘ managers’ lead.
Every single week last season Deila was telling the world we ” will win the treble “.
In fact under Deila’s tenure there seems to be a stream of soundbites that come out of the park.
Collins,like his manager should shut the fuck up and deliver results on the field of play!
Gie’s peace man, Ronny is the gaffer, stop doing the Records joab FFS.
Bawsman,
“gaffer”? Aye ok.
Monti, whilst I can see where your enthusiasm comes from I don’t think David Motes is the answer. He wasn’t given time at Man Utd admittedly and could have possibly taken them to the level where they are now (which is crap to watch according to Scholes) but there is no guarantee he would be given funds to replace who you consider poor at present. With his experience in the game you would hope he could attract players who could give us an edge over teams who have beaten us recently but I still think better quality coaching through the youth levels with opportunities in the first team squad is the way forward. Was told recently that we looked at Vardy whilst at Fleetwood Town but didn’t move for him so there are players out there. Anyway, anyone who employs Mc Kinley as first team coach deserves all he gets, sorry.
Don’t fancy David Motes either. 🙂
Have to admit this is a cracker from John Collins:
“it is not something that excites me, playing football without the ball.” 🙂
Ronnie doing a good job? You are having a laugh along with those laughing at our European exploits.
It’s clear the management team have more faith in the players to play an open game at European level than the fans. Were as us fans ‘know’ for a Scottish team to have any success in Europe, first and foremost you need to be hard to beat. I think Mr Collins was being a little disingenuous when implying that with a 4-5-1 system you need to kick the ball up the park. Anyway, it can’t be nice having to spend ANY time with those ‘lick-spittle’, so he has my sympathy. HH
I think collins has became a whipping boy , there was nothing wrong with what he said which was basically we will never park the bus. Isnt that the celtic way? Follow it up with we will play with 2 strikers and im right behind you john !
I struggle to see the attraction of Moyes. He’s failed at his previous two jobs, plays football that isn’t particularly great to watch, had more to spend at Everton than he’ll have at Celtic and doesn’t have a great record of bringing through youth players(which should be our biggest priority right now, in my opinion).
We are becoming a worryingly fickle support, I think. A lot of fans wanted Strachan out because he was deemed too negative and wasn’t playing “the Celtic Way”. These were usually the same fans who criticised Nakamura for being too lightweight even though he was our most talented footballer. Lennon got a lot of leeway due to the personal attacks but there were always murmurings about his cup record and inconsistent performances.
I’m not saying don’t criticise the manager, Deila deserves it for his tactics in the games against Molde but looking to change every time something goes wrong will mean we never get any stability and that’s the most important thing to having a successful football club.
El_guapo,
You are wrong about Moyes.
He almost took Everton into the CL,look at the teams he was up against, the level of competition in England.
Moyes is a good manager, Deila is bluffing his way through it.
Didn’t do it in Europe then Monti? Is that not why you want rid of Ronny? I think you are confused.
Molde scored 5 (Five) goals against Celtic, without possession as John Bhoy say,s, thank F### we had all the possession and were the better team, I dread to think how many they would have scored if we would have given them the ball. Be afraid be very afraid. HH
Caption, “I will give him ETB,s Exceptionally Thick Bullets.
I’m for giving Ronny and co another few seasons. I understand what they and the club as a whole are trying to do and that it will take time, and am willing to take a few bad results and performances along the way to see what happens.
Otherwise what is the alternative, and would it work?
David Moyes no thank you.As for the pronouncements of John Collins, God help us.
Bill,
Do you actually know anything about David Moyes, or are you basing your opinion on his tenure at Old Trafford?
Which if it is, it isn’t the whole picture.
Few worrying things in Collins’ comments:
“What would you expect him to change? Of course we want to tighten up.”
You’ve answered your own question, we expect the team to tighten up, but you’ve been there 18 months and done nothing about it.
“Against Molde we were the better team in the two games. We created more chances and had more possession but they were more clinical.”
They didn’t give away cheap goals via suicidal defending, something we do in abundance, and so throwing into doubt any claim that we were the better team.
“I’m not going to say I’d rather lose but it is not something that excites me, playing football without the ball.”
Granted its not “sexy” but looking at the passive, reactive team the opposition can play around at will going out to play in European games, its probably a good idea if you tried to get excited about it.
The team look poorly coached, an expectation that we can outplay teams by going toe to toe without too much thought given how we defend, and we are reaping the consequences.
Paul Lamberts comments weren’t great wrt Rangers, and the whole “demotion” myth “we wuz punished enough” – one on Twitter told me yesterday they were the most punished team in the history of sport (I know) – but as a player he was an absolute winner, gave everything in the shirt and as a manager has had successful experiences at Wycombe and Norwich, producing attractive, winning football on a budget .
Sure, at Villa, where since O Neill left the club has developed some kind of mad fear of spending any money and is going down hill fast, he was not a success, but he certainly isn’t alone in failing to revive that club on a budget of very very little.
If it came to how you trust more to spend our meagre transfer budget next summer I d chose Lambert over Ronnie every time
Ralph I posted a reply to Desimond but can’t see it?
I rescued it from Spam…nothing personal, just WordPress acting up as it does every now and again.
Thanks for finding it and posting it up Desi, and of course your reply to that post was greeted warmly by myself.
Incredibly the BBC sports guy on Breakfast this morning had a laugh at the Russian tv talking about school dinners instead of the widespread cheating of their athletes! Meanwhile his BBC Scotland colleagues are talking about ANYTHING other the systematic and illegal tax cheating on a grand scale, you really couldn’t make it up!
“Oh, and just don’t buy the fucking thing either.”
Maybe stop cutting and pasting from their website too?
I like Davie Moyes, I’ve hoped he would become Celtic manager in the past but I think Deila will prove to be a better manager than Moyes will be, at Celtic or wherever they both eventually see there careers go.
This is RD’s first time in the big time (arguably Norwegian football is better than Scottish football) but is for sure his first real experience playing in Europe and expecting to compete whilst winning the league at a canter……he is learning and there is much for him to learn but I see a skilled driven manager in the true sense of that word and I’m glad to have him.
Hail Hail.
Katanes,
I don’t know how to do this persevere with abject failure stuff.
I look for a Celtic side to play with a bit of pride about ourselves, now take the last two games against Molde, woeful, pitiful and unacceptable surely to fuck?
Just to put a bit of cream on those two games, John Collins tells us ” we are a better team ” and Deila is still spouting shite that ” we can still qualify”???
Has the whole world gone fucking crazy?
What has there been from Deila that indicates we are progressing?
Where is it?
I agree Monti. Scratching my head wondering were this faith in Ronnie is coming from. Embarrassment after embarrassment against smaller opposition continuously.
John,
I’m astonished what some Celtic supporters perceive what progress is, fuck giving a manager three or four years to ‘ build ‘ something, it’s a lot of shite.
Hit the ground running at Celtic or fuck off, three years since the demise of the Huns and we are WORSE on the park? How is that acceptable.
Deila is full of pish and he can take Collins and Kennedy with him, we are a shambles.
See the game on Sunday v Ross County, when the staggers got a goal back, did anyone expect them to score again? I did.
Deila is a Tony Mowbray, talk all day but say fuck all, bluff, bluff and more bluff.
Some folk want to give him another 3 years….Jesus H Christ I need some alcohol!
I hear you Monti, and the performances in Europe have not been near good enough. But we won a double last year and were but for an honest mistake close to the final of the Scottish cup and possible treble.
This year we are already moving clear domestically whilst downsizing to meet the financial realities of the league we play in.
I think that’s the most important factor in it all, MoN called life in the slow lane, and that is pretty much what it is, that’s why I think RD should be given time to change the culture at Celtic where youth players are developed first and foremost. That is where our future is and I think it could be great if we get this foundation right.
I’d buy you a pint if I could…… 🙂
In Channel 4’s Alex Thompson’s article , is ” Mr Black ” David Murray ?
If so , they are fucked re- trophies.
Yep.
I like Davie Moyes as a person though I don’t have much time for that style of Football where not being beaten is your primary objective.
No Ronny Deila will do for me right now as I am going to mentally afford him the time to see his vision through at Celtic.
We have a clutch of youngsters due back in Jan and a window to bring in reinforcements for the defence so I’m cool with that.
Charlie,
” That style of football ” had Everton pushing for fourth place in the EPL in Moyes last season in charge.
What style of play do you want?
Do you think the Everton fans were moaning about a possible 4th place finish?
I’m not an Everton fan out the two Mersey Clubs I preferred the Liverpool approach to games.
Bawsman has it spot on below we cut out the individual errors we can move forward again.
You don’t agree I get that so we wait and see how it pans out in the end.
Ronny has plenty to offer Celtic.
2 Trophies in the bag more to come.
And Europe?
Will we not bother about that no?
Sure we will once we win League Title no5 in a row.
Ah the voice of reason again Charlie. I am not a blind follower of Ronny but I just want to see where he takes us next season , I think there is something there and we might just be rushing to get him out the door before he has had time to develop his ideas at Celtic. Another two transfer windows and one more go at Champions League and we will see where he is taking us . After that Monti can have his day of the Long knives or he might just be eating some humble pie with the . I hope so.
You cannot legislate for individual errors, that’s what’s costing us at the moment, a lot of it comes with enforced personnel changes, particularly in defence.
A bit of confidence to be calmer at the back (the fans could help wi that) and get the passing going forward a bit sharper and more accurately and we’ll improve.
Ronny is the right man.
Bawsman,
No he fucking isn’t and I’ll tell you why, there is a myth going around the now ( and I don’t mean Walter) that all our ills are because of defensive frailty…pish it is.
There has been countless games under Deila, last season and particularly this season, where the passing in midfield has been shocking…and I mean fucking shocking.
Celtic as a team, especially in Europe are abysmal, defence, midfield and attack.
Basically I think in Europe when it counts, we are pretty fucking dreadful.
Deila the right man? I hope he is…I hope he is, bit I doubt it big time.
He is a Fugazi!
Do you remember dancing with stilettos in the snow Monti?
Marillion?
Fugazi was their 2nd Album Title 😉
I like a bit of Marillion, preferred Fish tho…
Bawsman,
” you cannot legislate for individual errors”?
Yes you can, if you keep picking Efe Ambrose then the manager has just legislated for an individual error….lol.
Lol lol and more of lol.
Ambrose is Tebily’s love child
On Collins comments , he needs to think before speaking publicly.
Bottom line is , Molde have 10pts to our 2 .That’s it ,full stop .
Talk of us being the better team just sounds silly at best , and desperate at worst .
Just avoid the comparison thing.
jpm,
How Collins can come out with pish like that and keep a straight face is beyond me.
In what way are we better than Molde?
He must be having a laugh?
At least when I talk pish I do it with a smile on my face..lol.
Not that I talk pish?
Changing the manager as a knee jerk reaction to a couple of bad results is likely to cause as many problems as it solves. Ronnie should be given the January transfer window to build for next year’s CL qualifying. If he doesn’t bring in at least a centre half who’s ready to step into the first team then he should go. If he’s not allowed to bring somebody in then it doesn’t matter who the manager is, we’ve got much bigger problems.
Hamo,
Have you been happy with Deila’s record so far in Europe?
Genuine question.
Of course not, he’s under pressure for a reason. If in January he addresses the glaring issues in defence then he should be given another chance, if not then someone else needs to be brought in asap to prepare for next season’s CL qualifiers.
Lets wait and see the outcome of the last 2 EL games , because that’s what I think the board , or more likely DD is doing .
If we win and qualify then I think they’ll stick with him .
If we lose them , it’ll be game over for Deila .
With a record of P6 W0 in this years EL added to 2 (arguably 3 ) failed attempts at CL Qual , then where on earth would they be getting the signs that he could take us to CL next year .That’s how they’ll view it.
Personally , I championed his appointment because I felt we needed to do something different , a whole new approach.
However , even his greatest fans can’t claim ” a couple of bad results , otherwise all’s well.”
jpm,
We will draw at home to Ajax and lose heavily in Turkey…
The writing is on the wall!
No heart, no fight, no clue on the touchline….and……BIG EFE.
Hi Guys
First time in posting but read etims everyday. Always gutted when Ralph is on a bender (sorry visiting family in Dunoon).
Ronnie frustrates the life out of me but for some reason my gut feeling is give him time and everything will come good.
I will stick with Ronny.
He hasn’t mastered playing in Europe yet but he is a hungry and motivated manager who is learning all the time and fast.
The fact that he knows how to win in Scotland should buy him the time to get it right in Europe.
ewanbhoy,
So Celtic park is a learning ground now for so called ‘ progressive ‘ managers is it.
So when the mighty Molde are pishing all over us at Celtic park, we should all lay off this young progressive manager because he is learning then?
Maybe the board could cut the price of a ticket for European matches,because the manager is just in training?
I’m close to the edge…..
You beat me to that reply Monti.;)
Whether pro or con Deila , Celtic is no , and never should be ,a school of learning for rookie managers .
I do accept that that’s what Lennon was ; and went from 45 mins from the sack v Killie , to beating worlds greatest team Barca and getting to knockout stages of CL , within 12 months.
However , he had the massive advantage of knowing the club and country inside out.
Remember too ,that Deila came to us as a guy who’d already cut his teeth at Stromgodset , so not sure the “learning , rookie ” thing applies to him anyway.
Deila is not a Rookie Manager he served his Apprenticeship at Stromgodset taking them from newly promoted to Champions in 4 years.
Europe hasn’t worked, especially this season mainly because of our defence, or lack of it. The team is also very young and needs more experience in it.
Again going back to selling or losing our central defenders has cost the team this season and it shows with the goals we have lost.
All these factors are not Ronny’s fault and this is why we need to give him time to get the defence sorted and hopefully add some experience to the team.
You can’t deny that when we play well and with confidence we are a really good team.
The truth of the matter is that our players have bottled the big occasions in Europe and this is not the fault of the manager but it is a problem that the manager must solve and I believe he will.
Alot of people think that Ronny is no good or not good enough……i disagree, I still think he will get it right and develop our youth into great players, playing in a great team.
As I have said, as long as we are winning domestically I think he deserves the time needed to produce a great team which he has put together…..I think by the start of next season the team will be ready for Europe, and I say lets get behind the manager and team and see where we are in 10 months time.
Some of you don’t have the patience for that and want change now but I don’t think that will help change what we are trying to achieve under Ronny. If you go back to a British style manager….then what? Youth won’t be developed or given a chance, so it’s back to trying to buy good players who are physical and strong who know how to defend…….ok some seasons we will battle and make the group stages of the CL but it won’t be pretty or good to watch…….to me that is going backwards, I am all for going forward and develop and change that way of playing which is what we are doing now…..it’s a long road but the right road to go on
Cracking post and I think totally spot on Ewan.
Great sides are built over 3-5 years only then they mature into hard to beat great to watch sides.
We have seveal youth players on the cusp now McGregor Henderson Lindsay O’Connell.
Tierney and Forrest are already showing quality we still have Allan and Christie to show us what they have too.
The young lad Calvin Miller will be emerging soon and he looks a player so hopefully we sort the defence out and watch these kids grow.
Exiting times ahead for those of us who were lucky enough to see guys like Aitken McStay and Nicholas break through.
HH
ktf
Prediction – Moyes will end up managing in the English Championship or an also ran club mid to bottom premiership. We cannot afford his package. To argue over him coming or not is moot. We have a manager who will be given one more crack at Europe I’m sure. Once we need a manager, when Delia get sacked or leaves, then we can start looking.
Broxburnbhoy,
How do you know we can’t afford his package?
Moyes has said in the past that one day he would like to manage Celtic, he will know the money on offer from Celtic is not at the same level as the EPL.
Moyes will take the job when he is offered it out of love for the club, not money.
Love for the club ? Oh yeah that is Celtic Minded . Davie Provan Andy Walker Charlie Nicholas Murdo McLeod all express Love for the Club . Wouldn’t wipe my shoes on them . Not a criteria For appointing a manager. Anyway we have got a manager last I looked.
Dan,
The last time I looked, we don’t have a manager!
Open your ears then Monti he talks sense when he talks.
Jesus Monti are you for real pal?? seriously: ‘out of love of the club’ are you what…10 years of age??
Bondibrian,
Are you asking about 10 year olds on an Internet forum?
Don’t know about Australia but it’s frowned upon here like.
Bwahahahaha!!!Best comment of the day.
Oh predictable ! Here we go again wi the usual anti john Collins rant , and Davie moyes , he,s not good enough for us pish , if we had the chance to get him when he left Everton you would have bitten a hand off to get him !
Chas,
Of course we would have, but the Ronny love in is in full swing on here lol.
Some must like getting pumped in Europe, I don’t.
Unless I’m in Paris with Bobs wife.
ewanbhoy. spot on. None of us are happy with the European results, yet. Progress will be made and we’ll do well there in the next few seasons. We have a young, unsettled team with a young manager with vision, who is learning and teaching. When we got thumped by Juve at home a few years ago I thought that something needs to change. It is no use being in the CL or even EL if we can’t compete. We can compete now, with Fenerbahce, Ajax and others. Bottom line is while we’re learning, we have to win domestic league and cups, and Ronny is doing that so no pressure. It is a win/win situation. David Moyes knows a lot less about European football than Ronny does and I don’t fancy waiting even more years for Moyes to learn. That would really set us back. I would support Henrik Larsson over Moyes now. But leave Ronny alone.
No footballus interruptus please!
Can’t compete with Molde tho….
Or Maribor…or Malmo….or ( insert team to humiliate us next season) or…2018…or…2019.
Have to say I thought we were doing quite well v Juve at Parkhead , troubling them with a high tempo, high pressing game , ground rocking with atmosphere ; until Efe HAPPENED , and in one fell swoop sucked the life out of the team and out of the stands . The rest that night , as they say , is history. UNTIL – Efe repeated that exact same feat v Fenerbahce.
Craig Gordon has to take his share of calamity that night as well!
Monti he left the club, Everton, he loved for bigger and better things. He failed there too. He also failed in Spain. He successfully kept Everton in the EPL. The days of less money because of love of club are over I think. I’m sure he would be a good manager at Celtic Park and in equally sure he’d ask for a lot of money to do. More than the Board are willing to pay.
He did a lot more than keep them up, come on now, look at his record!
Martinez accumulated more points in his first season at Everton than Moyes managed in 11.
More also had more wins too.
I know who’s Everton I’d prefer to watch Monti.
He’ has failed in his last 2 appointments perhaps he has stagnated at Everton unable to progress and move with the times?
…more pish!
I don’t give two fucks who’s Everton you prefer to watch, the fact is Moyes done a fantastic job for Everton over an 11 year spell!
Trying to pick holes in Moyes Everton years is ridiculous!
….and sadly expected.
Monti, you’re entitled to your opinion, but…..Moyes???????????? You may as well suggest Walter Smith ffs!!
Hey, unbelievable but sevco are actually quoting SFA rules in their attempt to get rid of big Mike….talk about a solid brass neck!!!! These “peepul” are totally shameless.
Oh, and before anybody starts lecturing me..I just go to the Dreary Reeker’s site because I believe in the old adage “know your enemy”…and it’s a good laugh watching them wriggle about trying to deflect from sevco’s woes with any shite they can make up.
Monti..you’re one step away from stalking Ronny, chill out ma man the only way is up!!! HH
I was right…..PISH!
Seems my post of a minute ago has gone to the Spam folder..MODERATOR!!!!!!!!
It would have been a lot of pish anyway..
Lol ( joking Funkyy)
You got a mention ya torag!!! lol
I know, I’m waiting on it…lol
I was gonna suggest to Charlie that we open a swear box and every time Monti swears or slags Ronny he has to put in 10p…fek me we could buy Ronaldo in a few weeks!!
Ronny Deila is a fucking clown….There’s 20p.
Just for a moment lets forget about Europe and focus on the domestic scene.
Going back Lennon struggled badly in the cup competitions, regularly losing to weaker oppositions and even in the league he relied heavily on commons to win games for him.
Mowbray……well nothing needs to be said there
Strachan, most games were tight but our quality players would score at the right times to win but we never totally dominated games.
O’NEILL, even with Henrik and co only won the treble once and he too lost in the cups against smaller opposition.
Going forward again since MON the team has been downsized losing our quality players more and more but now under Ronny even winning a treble is not good enough even though history shows that it is a very hard thing to do.
We actually have a team full of Scots now which shows that the gap between us and the rest shouldn’t be that big but because the media tell us, we should be winning trebles at ease we some how believe them. The truth of that is they are trying to say that because there is no rangers everything we do doesn’t mean anything which is total nonsense.
Aberdeen are the best they have been for 20 years, hearts are looking strong again.
Lets not forget that we have sold all our top players and Ronny is left with alot of talented young players that need to be developed which he is doing.
Ronny has actually been excellent domestically and to win a treble should never be looked upon as anything other than a fantastic achievement.
Also under Ronny we are miles ahead of what Scotland has to offer but that is down to Ronny himself but he gets criticised not applauded for it.
Strachan failed in Europe at the start and so did Lennon and they had big name players……
” let’s forget about Europe “?
Convenient that for the Deila lovers…..
the present CELTIC team i watch are chaotic at the back,devoid of ideas in the middle and apart from griff up front resemble a square go between 2 gumsy jack russells,the managers a nice guy but fkn hopeless at being a manager,collins,he needs his nose cleaned out with a wire brush,and big kennedy,well he had a dream that zonal marking is the way forward and us the fans ended up living in a nightmare…get it fkn sorted CELTIC.
RD has managed Celtic in 24 Euro games so far (jeezo thats a lot more than I thought)
If we give 3 points for a win and 1 for draw and compare Martin O’Neil, Neil Lennon and Gordon Strachans records to Deila’s here it is.
MON – 43pts
GS – 26pts
NL – 35pts
RD – 32pts
RD has won 8 Drawn 8 and Lost 8.
MoN won 14, Drawn 1 and lost 9.
GS won 7, Drawn 5 and lost 12
NL won 10, Drawn 5, lost 9.
Ok…..not the best….but certainly better than WGS and not much behind Lennon……all whilst winning the league and selling our best players.
PS. I copied these facts from a pals post elsewhere…..I trust them but have not verified.
You are kidding ,right?
Strachan’s record is CL last 16 twice .
O’Neill’s CL last 16 0
Lennon’s last 16 1
Deila group stages o (never mind last 16)
Whatever you do , or don’t , think of Deila , you cannot seriously compare his Euro success favourably with Strachan’s.
Don’t forget , it took eventual winners AC Milan , extra time to put us out at last 16 stage .
Even O’Neill can’t compare to that .
Not Euro success as such, how successful (or not) they were over their first 24 games…..that’s all and it shows that they were not that incomparable.
MoN teams beat better teams but he could pay $6MM on a striker even WGS had more money to spend. I’m not saying Deila’s record is good or acceptable but it’s not that bad considering the points I made in the post…..
Fair enough Monti he did have Everton finish in the top half of the EPL in most of his seasons. His win rate was 42% at Everton. Interestingly it was 52% at Man utd
Broxburnbhoy,
Thanks.
The most impressive thing about it all is that he was doing that with a decreasing transfer budget.
This tells me he can mould teams, galvanise them and make them hard to beat.
A good starting point surely?
I wanted Deila to succeed and quickly realised it was a mistake to support him.
He can talk all day BB but the club is being humiliated in Europe, that can’t be accepted by the fans.
Let me put it this way BB, IF I was watching a Ronny Deila Celtic side that was clearly making progress on the park in European games I’d be behind him.
IF I saw a man who could change the system to plan B when things were going wrong,and running a game back in our favour, I’d be behind him.
IF I was watching a Celtic side in Europe who were making the club proud and fighting like Lions, I’d be behind him.
The last two Europa league games v Molde tell me a different story, I see a team who are on the way down not on the way up.
Look at that Molde game at home again, it was dismal, it is his team now, no more excuses Ronny!
Gonnae gee it a rest with the anti John Collins chat? It’s like reading the Daily Ranger. Did he piss on your chips in the past or something? We constantly give grief to ex Celts in the media putting the boot in and yet somehow we take the same approach (based on little substantive merit ) and that is somehow ok? How about we do what we self congratulate ourselves on all the time and actually support?
Because we are being asked to watch pish and pay good money for that ‘ pleasure ‘!
Singing ” Faithful through and through ” as Molde Lord it up at Paradise, will not change the game back in our favour.
Crabbit bastards like me want more…
I get the frustration but constantly whinging and being negative will get you nowhere. What do you think JC should say? We will play defensive or like the Huns of the 90’s? Let them say these things in public to the still surprisingly large amount of Tims that Hoover up the pish that SMSM publish and understand they will be doing something different behind closed doors. As it should be.
No , but he shouldn’t be saying we were better than Molde , when they have 10 pts to our 2, and beat us twice.
He’s doing what you’re criticizing others of i.e. giving the smsm ammo to mock us .
It just comes across as “sour grapes” .
My point is we should not give a feck what the MSM say. I think you are incorrect anyway as the MSM would twist anything to attack us. That’s the real point and it’s hypocritical to slate them whilst doing their job for them at the same time. JCs problem is that he is too intelligent for them and no doubt the hacks are all too happy to put the boot in to suit agenda. Accepted on the “better than Molde” chat” though. I’d love to know what the question was for full context though.
What’s the big deal with this media pish. Who cares?
Some of you guys think the media are the big bogey man.If we had a team that could perform to a reasonable level in Europe, which Ronny hasn’t been able to achieve, then you wouldn’t think twice about those nonentities.
Whinging my fucking arse, I’m watching Celtic being fucking ripped apart from boardroom to manager…
That gives me grounds for moaning!
You are right on the ‘individual defensive mistakes’ theory not being the main excuse. Watched F.A.Cup games at the weekend with numerous wee and not so wee teams against each others. Individual defensive mistakes a go go (especially goalkeepers0 because the players were not very good even though they know what to do and how to set up. We don’t have very good players therefor we are prone to those errors more than say errors that Makdini made. All players make mistakes…lesser players make more.against poorer, equal or better teams. Molde are not pish let’s face it but with fit,organised players knowing how to play to their system, were better than us. Think if we met them again in a few weeks they would win again.
I’ve met Collins a few times and he was intelligent and polite. He was a first class midfielder. He goes to play in Monaco and becomes fluent in French. At Hibs, he wanted his players to be fit and intelligent. Anything wrong with that? Let the MSM do the hatchet job, why do we help them so much? Malmo and Molde. These teams are tough and are better than anybody has given credit for. Monti, don’t obsess too much over these clubs. If you gave them some credit then when we start beating them it will give you a warm glow all over. Ajax and Fenerbahce haven’t beat Molde either and I remember you predicted that Fenerbahce would win the group. I predicted we would beat Molde both home and away. I bet other clubs talked about Celtic in 1967 like we do about Molde and Malmo because they play in small northern countries.We’ve had some bad luck and have had every team in our group on the ropes at some stage, including Malmo before that.
Devoy,
Look back previous threads I have given the opposition plenty of praise.
Celtic football club should be beating them tho, every time!
What? Granted Ajax was a so so performance, Fenerbahce was good in spells, but Molde bossed us over both legs. As for Malmo, they didn’t even have to play well to knock us out.
As Tommy Burns said, you learn more about yourself in the hard times.
H,
Let’s take it back a bit, the Maribor game at home, we get the hard bit done, draw away from home, get them back to Paradise, full house what happened next?
He drops our only goal threat Kris Commons, our previous seasons player of the year, only to play his son, just out the taxi, jo Berget and played a cagey game, result OOT!
Legia Warsaw over two legs embarrassed us, result OOT!
Malmo, result OOT!
Molde over two legs, result OOT! We will not qualify from this group, we will finish bottom.
Where am I supposed to see progress?
Domestically Deila will be sound, but I think I would win the treble with Celtic these days.
If anyone can show me a solitary piece of evidence that we have the right man to lead us into Europe, then let me see it here in black and white, because I can’t see what the fuck Deila is doing!
If there is a problem you fix it,we have a problem so fix it,i take no pleasure in sounding off but our management team are dreamers,the system doesnt work so get a man in to fix it,someone who knows what he is doing because we are the wee diddy team who everyone wants in their group..how fkn sad is that…incidently its strickly in europe im talking about.
Pat,
Exactly what I’m saying.
Deila is getting a lot of praise on here, for fucking what may I ask?
Where has the idea that a celtic manager should be judged only on european performances come from. Its a line from the media thats being used as a stick to beat our manager with. The idea that this is our first bad run of european performances is crazy – we were utterly spineless against braga and then utrecht. We should have gone out after dreadful performances against sion. Having made it through by default to the EL groups, we then only won one game if memory serves. These are the great times that Deila doesn’t live up to? Seriously?
Donny, you’re out of your element!
Really.
Sion didn’t cheat did they. A transfer embargo while signing half a dozen players and playing them when they were told by UEFA not to.We new that tie was a dead rubber before we actually played them.
Next you’ll be telling us Rangers didn’t die and the EBT years were just a wee bit of manipulation of the rules.
I would love to summarise but our great club lost 5 goals over two games to Molde – no disrespect to them as Norwegian football is better than Scottish these days as they’ve invested. The same way Icelandic, Welsh, etc football invested in youth development.
The results … well, look where these countries are compared to ours. The main difference with Scottish football, a bit like our attempt at independence, is that we once had a marketable football division (as we had a country with a significant economy compared to other home nations) that is going down the toilet.
Sad but true …. Football has to want to be changed in this country and that means removing those at the top.
BTW …. John Collins??
Arrogant plick and always has been …. just check his previous jobs and posts from their fans if you don’t believe me.
Well said there Jimmybhoy!
Just noticed TheProvocativeH comments … “JCs problem is that he is too intelligent for them”.
You’ve obviously never met him.
Actually I have. Several times. Intelligent, polite and sharp. However, you carry on believing the Daily Ranger.
“Mr. Murray I want the trophies & the money now ya cunt!”
Swear Box….10p
From Twitter (etims):
Worrying aspect for vast maj of Scottish media is fans of all other clubs are onto your collusion re Rangers & don’t believe a word you say.
——————————————–
Brilliant. 🙂
I hate when I’m the last poster on here at night. Makes me feel dead old. I go to bed late, get up when the birds are making a racket and the sun is coming through the curtains.
Log on to etims, everything has moved on.
Then auld Ralphie cheers me up about 11-11.30 . Happy again. 🙂