Celtic showed a little bit of character with a 4-1 win over Ross County yesterday in Dingwall, which was no mean feat, considering the abuse handed out to players , coaches and management, the weather and the genral feeling of malaise amongst the support.
It made for great afternoon viewing, because it was a decent enough game, filled with incodent at both ends. Craig Gordon was forced into making a couple of decent saves, a couple of the defenders, namely the much maligned Efe and Emilio double act showed that they can defend, and it was rounded off with a Tom rogic classic strike, two typically well taken Leigh Griffiths goals and a superb glancing header from Nir Biton.
Importantly, there was a stage, at 3-0, when after County pulled one back, the old nervousness re-appeared at the back. On more than one occasion the highlanders were allowed space and time and better finishing may have led to a much closer scoreline. however, the hoops held out, and instead of collapsing, they hung on.
I’d still rather see a calm and composed defence, but they kept the ball out this time, and I suppose it’s a start.
Ronny Deila has complained in the past about the long trips to away games immediately after European ties, and they don’t come much longer than Dingwall, so maybe we should cut the lads a bit of slack.
Like Hugh Keevins did;
knackered Celtic winning 4-1 in Dingwall sums up how easy it is in Scotland and why Europe is the benchmark for them.
If I was Jim McIntyre, I’d punch his face in.
It’s sickening when someone wh has made a living off the back of the game constantly runs it down, purely to suit a media agenda. They want to sell papers and advertsing slots. They should be promoting the game.
Thats not to say paint everything with a rainbow, but at least put some colour into your pictures.
And knackered ? Well, Hugh might be, physically and mentally, but Tom Rogic isn’t. Which is just as well.
There’s an international break until the Kilmarnock game on the 21st, but the Aussie Ardiles is away to play for his country.
“I’m on a flight to Australia first thing tomorrow morning which will be about 24 hours travelling.
“I’ll have a couple of games while I’m out there and then be back here the following Wednesday. But that’s just the nature of it, you get used to it as it’s something you just have to do.
“Our first game is on Thursday against Kurdistan and the second game is not confirmed yet so we’ll have to wait and see.
“I don’t mind the demands of travelling. Any chance to represent your country is a privilege so I’m not going to turn that down.
“Off the back of last season when I missed so much due to injury it’s nice to be getting as many games as I am.
“I’m just looking to build on the start of the season, there’s still a lot of football to come and hopefully I can keep improving. It’s not easy to get your body used to the different time zones.
“I’ll land in Australia on Tuesday night and get my body as recovered as quickly as I can for the game on Thursday and then go from there.
“But there’s nothing you can do with it, you just have to deal with it and be professional about it.”
The second game is not confirmed ?
Halfway around the world to be told
“you can go home lads, the other lot haven’t turned up. We forgot to confirm it.”
Then again, a few days in Australian weather won’t do him any harm.
Especially after playing at Dingwall;
“It’s a tough place to come but it was important to bounce back from midweek with a good performance.
“There’s not many teams who are going to come here and win 4-1 so it was really positive. I don’t think we performed to the level we know we can against Molde but that’s gone now and our focus was only on today.
“We’ve won 4-1 but it was still a battle. If you look at the conditions in the first half and the fact they had a good chance to put a header away at 0-0 things could have become quite difficult very quickly.
“Everyone was feeling it was a short turnaround between games so it was important we got out on the pitch to show what we can do – and I think we did that.”
After the game, manager Deila, who has still to see his side lose two in a row, was either pleased, relieved , or a mixture of both;
“It’s always good to bounce back. It was tough mentally to get over Thursday and then be ready for the game on Sunday, and we did it in a very good way, scoring some nice goals to get the three points. That was very pleasing.
“We had all of the ball in the first half, but we didn’t create so much but we knew they would get tired and we would find more space to score. It’s always good to have a player like Tom who can beat a man and shoot from distance. It was a very good goal and it made it a little easier for us in the second half.
“The most important thing was we won. We scored four beautiful goals, we had control and we kept the ball to see the game out. We did the job and I’m really happy about that.
“There were a lot of tired bodies in the dressing room after the game and it will be good to have some days where people can rest and get ready for the next stage of all the competitions.”
It was an important win.
The break has come at the right time, and should shift a wee bit of focus away from Ronny and the players.
Thats because yesterday was Remembrance Sunday, and , as usual, a few noisy fans voiced their opinion on a minutes silence, allowing the press to leap on the club again.
When Pope John Paul II died, Celtic had to play Hearts at Hampden, and the Cousins of William chanted throughout. to be faced with a roar of anger from hoops fans when it was over.
I couldn’t understand why they couldn’t just shut up for a minute, and give the old man some respect.
Neither can I fully understand the need to protest during a minutes silence for those who fought in the two world wars.
Grow up, the fucking lot of you.
If you want to moan about it, do it in your own time.
Not Celtic’s.
And as for those in the media offended by it, I give you Mr. Stephen Fry;
And as for the Poppy people, how else do they raise money ?
It’s a day of remembrance and dignity. Not a celebration of war.
However, it is worth mentioning that the whole weekend followed a somewhat predictable pattern;
Perhaps, in future, the weekend could be left fixture free to allow people to pay their own respects in their own way.
And as for those who disrespected those who went off to war in 1914, perhaps the club should identify them.
And then dig a big trench, fill it with water, chuck them in and for four years lob shells and mustard gas at them.
They might get an idea of what its all about then.
Actually, we could chuck in a few politicians for good measure for the same reason.
As if that wasn’t enough, it’ll soon be time for the BBC to raise money for Children In Need , or as it’s known in house, hush money.
I’m not a fan of charities, especially the one’s who have paid employees. I’m doing a big yoga thing for one this weekend, and to be honest, I’ll just put in a few quid myself.
Which is how it should be.
After all, if you were prevented from telling anyone, would you run a marathon ?
Away from all that, thankfully, the talk of a new man coming in to replace Ronny Deila has reached a crescendo with rumours that a former Manchester United boss is apparently hinting he wants the job;
Oh, and Davie Moyes, the perennial under achiever , is likely to be out of work again soon.
Don’t even go there.
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- As of match played 6 November 2015
| Team | From | To | Record | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| G | W | D | L | Win % | Ref. | |||
| Preston North End | 12 January 1998[60] | 14 March 2002[12][13] | 234 | 113 | 58 | 63 | 48.29 | [60] |
| Everton | 14 March 2002[12] | 30 June 2013[31] | 518 | 218 | 139 | 161 | 42.08 | [60] |
| Manchester United | 1 July 2013[31] | 22 April 2014[47] | 51 | 27 | 9 | 15 | 52.94 | [61] |
| Real Sociedad | 10 November 2014[54] | Present | 42 | 12 | 15 | 15 | 28.57 | [60] |
| Total | 845 | 370 | 221 | 254 | 43.79 | — | ||
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Manchester United
He wouldn’t even get past the interview stage anywhere else.
Our news yesterday that four clubs have been a little more than forceful towards those involved in influencing the perpetuation of a massive tax fraud seemed to catch the eyes of quite a few people.
What was more interesting was that several others have confirmed or supported it, including the respected Auldheid, and on the other side, the blogger John James, who has himself revealed a few interesting items on his pages.
Auldheid added some extra to the allegations of influence, which can be found in a link in the replies to the story, and although a long read, they are well worth looking at. It will put you, as they say, ahead of the pack.
John James backed up our story when he wrote;
In a previous article, The Balance of Power I pointed out that the SPFL board would be deliberating on the implications of Employment Benefit Trusts being ruled as illegal. Apparently four of the six representatives of clubs unequivocally and robustly stated to Chairman Topping and Chief Executive Doncaster that the Inner Court of Session directives were a game changer.
They insisted that the private investigation by Lord Nimmo Smith was not fit for purpose and should be set aside. Nothing short of a full, frank and on this occasion, truly independent, review of the facts would be acceptable. The four clubs have insisted that sanctions, including the possibility of rescinding the award of 13 trophies, are included in the tariffs at the disposal of this commission.
Mr Doncaster will not be allowed to hide behind the LNS report.. The four representatives informed him in no uncertain terms that Rangers engaged in an illegal enterprise to gain a competitive advantage. Some present resorted to expletives when outlining their demand for a thorough review and the word ‘cheating’ was used liberally.
SMSM and Level 5 are doing their utmost to derail the growing consensus for title stripping, however should Mr Doncaster not heed the the views of the four clubs, their representatives will resign and openly state their rationale for resignation.
The desire for vengeance is not confined exclusively to the supporters. Those in the boardroom are evidently spitting blood.
From what we hear, it will be a few officials spitting blood.
And teeth.
Even the press picked up on it, with Keith Jackson of the Record saying;
Already there are rumours circulating of a number of clubs who are determined to seek retribution. They are being championed online almost as some sort of cabal, pushing SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster into pressing the button.
But the truth of the matter is, for now at least and probably for some considerable time to come, there is nowhere for the league to run with this matter.
A cabal ? A secret clique or political faction ?
It’s the representatives of the clubs that suffered while David Murray put in place his imaginative accounting, which has now been deemed illegal.
Not really a cabal.
More a sort of industry watchdog.
The media argument is that there may yet be an appeal.
There won’t.
And if the current Ibrox board want to protest about their trophies being removed, Hector will bill them, under the same club same bill principle.
It’s that simple.
More likely, BDO will accept the decision, as they work in the best interests of the creditors, the main one being, of course, HMRC.
But if, as is possible, the court cases pending deem it was all a bit naughty when Whyte, Green and the rest of them bought the assets, then they to, will be returned to the original company, now in liquidation.
And they can be sold off to pay the creditors….
thats where me and yer Da used tae sit, son.
It’s hard to understand why the media don’t want to pursue this matter to it’s end, and help se it through the inevitable new beginning.
Surely some editors weren’t in receipt of more than just succulent lamb ?
We know that some media outlets beyond Scotland are keeping an eye on this.
Is that what it will take to clean the game up and start again ?
On a lighter note, from news website Commonspace,scot
Former Rangers owner Sir David Murray
in talks to purchase Scottish steel plants
We have the transcript, or so the man who gave them to us said, in between sips of his fine tonic wine, of this remarkably brief round of talks;
Murray :
I’d like to talk about purchasing the steel plant.
Official :
Fuck off, you crook
Someone seems to be in need of some good publicity.
Anyhoo, a cracking picture from Lisbon lion on twitter today forms our caption competition;
Great article today, thanks for that.
November never changes, eh?
The irony of being lectured by Huns on behaviour is always a laugh.
“The reporter on the end is called Hannibal Lecter under no circumstances have you to feed him any Lamb on the flight”
“That’s where me and yer Da used tae sit, son”.
Brilliant you know how to cheer us up Ralph.
Good to see the team getting back to winning ways. Still worried about the defence.
Caption Don’t look now, but is that an ETB over there.
HH
When Pope John Paul II died the liquidated eleven were the only club in Europe , possibly the world not to have a minutes silence! UFB
I’ve followed Celtic for more than 60 years and respected more minute’s silences than I care to remember. The only time I decided not to pay my respects was for the one at Celtic Park following the death of the Queen Mother – but I didn’t shout, bawl, swear or sing “rebel” songs. Nor did I stand up, I just continued to sit in my seat and
keep my mouth shut. I occasionally wear a Poppy and usually drop something into the collection tins – but I’ve no time for the current cult of Poppy fascism which demands everyone should wear one for weeks before Remembrance Day itself. The only time I’ve ever attended my town’s annual Remembrance Day service was as a very proud grandad when my two grandsons were chosen to lay wreaths on behalf of their Scout troop. That pride evaporated shortly afterwards when I turned on the car radio and heard a crowd of Celtic supporting idiots making an arse of themselves by disrupting the silence before a game at Falkirk. And still it goes on. If these clowns can’t shut up for 60 seconds they should simply not bother going to the game. They’re embarrassing themselves, they’re embarrassing their fellow fans and they’re embarrassing the club they profess to love. And they’re too thick to realise they’re giving people who don’t really need it another stick to beat us with. The message is simple. Shut the fuck up or fuck off!
well said timbuffy
If these people aren’t welcome because they’ve embarrassed the Club, how is it right that directors who embarrass the Club by persecuting the poor continue to be welcome?
They’re not welcome as you’d know if you read previous Diary or signed the petition.
If our Club decide there is to be a minutes silence, for whatever reason, then we should respect it.
If you don’t agree then take the option that timbuffy did and remain in your seat or don’t attend the game to show your disagreement if you feel so strongly.
But don’t give others the opportunity to run OUR club down because YOU have an issue.
I Did sign the petition. If the football authorities, however dishonourable they are, decide that something needs to be done, we all have a right to object and that objection reflects on the individuals. It’s not for Celtic to claim and embarrassment nor for anyone else to feel embarrassed. Peaceful and even noisy protest at hypocrisy is no cause for shame or embarrassment, in my view.
Whataboutery at it’s lowest level. As the man says if you can’t respect the dead for 1 minute the just F off.
Amen to that.
Bit harsh man. My wee Irish mammy and daddy brought up 9 of us in a room and kitchen in Townhead. Now that was a f-ck in war. Hh
Mornin’…
Where to begin…
Well you named a discredited Hack again..that will make his day…and help keep him in a job…Dear oh dear.
As for the disruption at the game..Arseholes one and all who obviously don’t give a rat’s arse about our Club…only in their political posturing…as Timbuffy eloquently put it..
The message is simple. Shut the fuck up or fuck off!
As for the game…when you take everything into account..it finished up a very good result.
I still think defensively we are poor…and the quantity and quality of passing between the two CB’s, particularly in the first half, was awful to watch…No wonder RD gets criticised…It widnae happen on ma watch..!!
I don’t wear a poppy and abhor the poppy facsism that prevails today (The reason I dont wear one). But that doesnt mean I dont respect those who do wear it for the right reasons.
Those ‘fans’ who think its correct to spoil a minutes silence for rememberance day should be weeded out and sent to Sevco like the huns they are. Huns is a behavioural term – anyone acting like one should be called one. So fuck off those huns that claim to support Celtic.
Caption…
“See that wean at the back..? The wumman says its mine…
but it isnae.”
I don’t believe in disrupting a minutes silence.
The guys that do this need to think about things differently, the Nazis were beyond evil and those who gave their lives stopping these cunts will always have my respect.
During a minutes silence that’s what is in my thought process.I couldn’t give a fuck about their servicemen who fell in Northern Ireland, some of the worst murdering, raping and bullying scum wore the British Army uniform, collusion with Loyalist killers has been proven a fact, and innocent Catholics murdered with the help of British forces.
Those who interupt minutes silences are wrong but I won’t condemn them, I understand why some do it, but when I hear it I don’t like it.
Hearts fans are the most two faced fuckwits you are likely to find, I remember their notion of ‘ respecting a minutes silence ‘ when the Holy Father passed away!
One message I would like to convey to those who gave their lives in both wars…THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!
Tiocfaidharla!
Can anybody remember when this thing about wearing poppies on the jersey’s started i think it’s relatively recent. It really is ironic that we remember the defeat of fascism the. defeat of Nazi uniformity with what seems like an almost legal requirement to wear the poppy God forbid anyone appearing on the BBC not so adorned regardless of age or nationality be thankful for James McClean for his courageous stand HH
chorleybhoy,
I believe it all started with the Iraq war .
The troops were unpopular due to the unpopular war .
The government began a propaganda exercise , with the help of the media , initially the Sun , if I remember correctly.
So phrases like , “Our Heroes ” , “Help Our Heroes ” etc began to be pushed by the media , and to be honest , the whole propaganda thing worked .
Unpopular soldiers were turned into heroes ;and the criticism of foreign campaigns eroded .
Before all that the poppy was primarily a symbol of WW1, and a solemn , more dignified occasion , really , mostly observed by the older generations .
Probably about ten years ago.
Personally I think much of it is just another sympton on the over the top society we live in.
Nowadays we have a minute’s silence at football matches if the man on the moon’s ucncle’s auntie snuffs it on planet zog.
Heaps of flowers appear on the street when some one nobody ever heard of dies.
As for the BBC it simply does not reaalise when it is kicking the nuts out of things.
2010
Happened tonight on The One Show . I am waiting for the fall out.
i cant understand why sevconians would want to argue about the stripping of stolen trophies by the deid team it must be in their upbringing can they be rehabilitated i think not they are damned i tell ye damned haha
Defensively shocking yesterday, good thing that Ross County couldn’t finish, same as the Aberdeen game when we could have been 2 down before we scored.
I know they do a lot of good but Children in Need have around £ 90 million sitting in their accounts, Comic Relief invests in ‘sin stocks’ arms and tobacco, Church of England invests in Wonga, M.S.P’s pension fund managers doing the same, S.F.A. investing in 2angers as an ongoing entity !
Caption: John Clark- ” sshh keep it quiet but I’ve heard there is a thing called an EBT, where we can get more money”
Lions-” not interested Clarky, we will pay our tax and bills, then let our feet do the talking on the pitch”!
has anyone read sevcos latest statement i hope HMRC have deary me stupid stupid huns as monti would say
Charlie,
What are they saying now?
canny dae the link thing need to get wan ae the wains to show me its on the clumpany twitter
For anyone who has gone to away games, sadly we all know that young neds who have been drinking all day attach themselves to our club and are a disgrace with their behaviour and attitude and singing.
Surely there must be a way to identify and ban these morons from getting anywhere near a Celtic game again.
The poppy is to remember brit soldiers killed in all wars.
I’m Irish. I’m a Celtic season ticket holder. Those bastards have murdered Irish men, women and children for last 800 years and are still at it. They have stolen and plundered our land.
Why should I be forced to pay respect to the scum who destroyed my country ?
Fuck them and fuck their poppy.
Miceal., Im Irish too, from “the occupied 6” and have no love for the British army.
However, I would not use the platform of being at a Celtic game to air those views
Take them to a more suitable forum, its one minute a year, it is the bigger thing to do to rise above it, stay quiet for 60 seconds and then get tore into whatever you want after that.
Agreed Micael!
The poppy, as far as I’m aware, is to remember the war dead of all nations and that would include those who dies fighting for the Republic.
Would it really be an issue to respect a minutes silence thinking of those who died trying to achieve what you want?
I’m not saying you should wear a poppy or contribute to collections, just respect the dead, nothing more.
Míceál
Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
Someone as forthright as you should have no difficulty saying no to a poppy seller.Me. If I don’t fancy the idea of a minute’s silence, then I will make damned sure that I am not going to be where one is being held.
For God’s sake treat other people with the respect that you wish to be treated with.
I do not think the poppy should be used to remember ALL wars. I do not think there should be a minutes silence for this at any sporting event because it has too many political undertones. On the other hand in our life time there have been terror attacks in the cities those soldiers swore to protect by those wanting to be part of Ireland. Nothing about this subject is pretty it’s all fucking horrendous. I don’t like the English or anything about them, but I’m honoring dead, many of whom never set foot in Ireland or Scotland. We should remember all of this horrendous crap in some way, but not at bloody football games. At the same time I heard it was IRA chants. Whether it was or not that’s what the rest of the world thinks it was.
Ah lot of irish men joined the british army…to go fight fascism. Admirable thing I think: fighting fascism.
Tims in the photo.
I think it’s Cushley,Brogan,Lennox and Clark ,not sure who the guy next to Luggy is?
I was pleased with the goals yesterday, but again we concede soft goals and looked shaky at eh back.
I ll not get into a Ronnie out rant again, my feelings are clear, he’s not the right man long term, but he’s here now, so…
I wrote a piece for the site on the tax case and said this among many other superfluous words:
“The governing body should be proactively coming out and saying “in light of these findings we have serious reservations over the scope, conduct and decision of the Lord Nimmo Smith enquiry and want to launch a fresh, wide reaching independent review, in which our conduct will also be scrutinised””
Instead an alternative agenda already is being set – “you can’t prove a sporting advantage was gained” “Chris Sutton believes titles were won on the pitch”
The issue is really simpler than this and requires no judgement on “ifs” or “maybes”.
At the Lord Nimmo Smith hearings Sandy Bryson argued from the SFA that even though players were not correctly registered -side letters detailing payment schedules were not lodged with the SFA, therefore breaking registration rules on all remuneration details being lodged with the SFA – rules were not broken because the rule breaking wasn’t known about at the time.
Think about that. The same SFA that throws teams out of the Scottish cup because a player registration form is only dated once and not twice, will overlook almost ten years of incorrectly / illegally (as per football rules) registered players because they didn’t know about the non disclosure at the time. “Well done Rangers, you cheated and it took us quite a while to find that out, and as you covered it up well, well it would be churlish to punish you now”
The same SFA where Jinm Farry was employed – that it took almost three years of pursuit by Fergus McCann to force to admit his guilt in deliberately delaying the registration of Jorge Cadette, forcing him ultimately to resign.
There is no debate about “sporting advantage” etc – the rule for incorrectly registering a player is a 3-0 loss – this is per SFA rules, rules they ignored when giving evidence to Lord Nimmo Smith.
The scandal really is that LNS has judged on the very issues that should see results overturned but was directed not to follow their own rules by SFA reps giving evidence to him.
The change in legal status of EBTs doesn’t really change anything wrt football rules, except give an opportunity to revisit and quash LNS and carry out a full and transparent investigation – not just on RFC and how it did not declare registrations properly to the football authorities, but in the role of the SFA in facilitating this deception and then helping limiting the scope fo the LNS investigation – just as John James is calling for.
Sop keep the pressure up, and remember in the face of debate on whether or not you can prove sporting advantage, you don’t need to – you need to prove players were incorrectly registered – which they were, and the rest follows form there – guidelines already being in place.
That the SFA / SPFL have chosen not to follow their own rules, and why, is really where the heart of this dark matter lies for me, and any talk of “sporting advantage” is a smokescreen
To echo Ralph’s point – if you dont agree with Poppies or whatever, fine – but protest / make your feelings known elsewhere – its the club that year after year get held up as some kind of pariah
I couldnt guess what he breakdown of pro / anti poppy feeling is among Celtic supporters but the vast majority can give a minute of their time respectfully and pursue their wider political objectives in other settings, as it should be
The club can always tell them to f- ck off and deal with their own shite. There are no crimes being committed . Are we in a free country?.hh
The minutes silence is a farce,its remembering people who entand killed other people,the one,s we should be honouring are thos who said fuck no i wont go,even if i end up in jail,and those innoent people from ireland to iraq murdered by the fascist british army .fuck them
and as most of the noise was from outside the stadium fuck msm and pirate pete the tory lawwell
Don’t think The Nazis would have given you this platform Deadthing !!
“EBT” comment lost!! Conspiracy!! Youre trying to stop the truth getting out there E tims, lamb munchers!!
As far as the jeering during the minute silence I never heard it but did hear booing when it ended or am I wrong BTW the poppy is not just for the British soldiers but all who gave there lives in 2 world wars so if you can’t show respect shut up stop because all you do is give the club a bad name I also read that there was IRA chants well done on that one that’s the club got another fine and you have achieved nothing and while I take my hat off to all you guys who go to away games remember you are an ambassador for our club we have a hard enough time from everyone outside our club without giving them amuniton so plz remember we are Celtic fans HH
Great article Ralph agreed with every word of it.
HH
Take the point about remaining silent even if you don’y agree with the whole “cel;ebration” thing, but why is football the only place where people are asked to do this? What has it got to do with football? We don’t do it in shopping centres, workplaces, the cinema etc. Why only football grounds?
Listen guys, too many are reading these shitty scumbags that have a very strong forum through the newspapers. Fuck them. If there was no catcalls or shouts through the minutes silence yesterday,you can be sure they would be chastising Celtic for not having that badge of death on the hoops.
Why no outcry when 25,000 of them scream sectarian abuse for 90 minutes?They are simply deflecting the shit away from their very own precious sons of satan.
Andybhoy,
Well said!
Back in the days when the bhoy,s,tic Tim’s Celts,were never called hoops (hoops was the English name for your gird) Celtic,s manager was the great Jimmy McGrory great as a player won the cup twice the league once, never won the league cup till he signed Billy McPhail ten years too late in all of twenty years .The worst manager we ever had,then came Big Jock.The question is,where is Big Jock mark 2
John Millsop a young Celtic player,died, the next game was against the Huns,during the one minutes silence loud and clear coming from the other end ” f… the pope”.All the boo boys at commemoration ceremony’s might consider this.
Morto, The poppy is not for those who died for Ireland, (we have our Easter Lily for that), its for all brit soldiers who died in all wars.
elcomaco – I did not bring this subject to the forum as suggested by you. I was responding to main article written above in which it was mentioned.
Its the SFA who brought politics to football so I’m sure they’ll have no objection to Celtic wearing the Easter Lily on the hoops next March and us observing a minutes silence for those killed freeing our country 100 years ago.
That’s a good argument Miceal, but I’m sure the poppy isn’t solely for british soldiers although that’s been the agenda in the last few years. Personally I take it as all those killed in conflict but the poppy isn’t the issue on this occasion but the minutes silence.
You’re right that the football authorities are the ones who have politicised the situation and pushed for clubs to do the poppy on the short thing. I stand with you on that one and agree it is inappropriate.
However, I can’t condone those who won’t respect the dead who, rightly or wrongly, thought they were fighting to preserve all our freedoms and that applies to enemies of our country too who equally believed in their own cause(s).
Silence is the best weapon. It would be possible to remain seated yet keep silent. I’ve seen and heard many other teams’ fans spoiling that minute for Matt Busby, several Popes and lots more but those moments are never mentioned by the MSM. I am a descendant of An Gorta Mor, scattered around the globe. One of my father’s family was killed in the war against fascism but I don’t need a poppy to remember him. I have photographs. If these men fought for our freedoms then that includes the right to not wear a poppy and not be silent when we’re told. Myself, I think it is undignified to ruin a moment’s silence because it shames our club in the eyes of others. World War Two was different but the true heroes who should be remembered (see Deadhead above) are those like John Maclean, Eugene V. Debs who opposed the war and went to jail for that opposition.
p.s. Maclean and Debs—the 1914-1918 war.
I wonder why the free press misses the part about those who refuse to wear poppies and the solid reasons they have for declining. Those folks also have a perfect right to protest what they fervently believe even in a public place where others want to show their belief in poppy wearing and what it represents. That is in a public place at a football match so, it is equally ok to disagree in a public place at a football match. Those who have been colonized, enslaved, denied freedom and brutalized by the British Army have a perfect right to protest this and those high points of the British Army like fighting Nazism demand some respect. I don’t wear a poppy but I do respect the service and sacrifice of the armed forces in conflicts like those against the Nazis.
Noticed that Google eyed fuck Jonathan Sutherland on Sportscene last night, having a go at ” a minority of Celtic fans disrupting the minutes silence”…fair enough Jonathan but one question, when we used to have a club called Rangers and 40,000 of their fans singing about killing catholics and being up to their knees in FENIAN blood, on a weekly basis, did anyone at Sportscene come out and condemn this racism, sectarianism and Bigotry? No, they fucking didn’t.
There’s a surprise eh?
Fud!
Monti,
He was obviously sent to the same training seminars as Pat “I’ll tell you what” Nevin. Selective hearing all round. Why is this even an issue to be brought up at the start of a FOOTBALL match?
Exactly Frank!
Has that prick never heard of the croagh park massacre. Read up journalist before opening your bigoted gob
There are Cenotaphs allover the UK that are open to people to go show their respect unhindered and unjudged if they so wish so.
I personally do not think a Football Stadium where there are 1000’s of individuals who have different ideas on War both positive and negative is the right time and place for remembering the dead because of them.
I used to get fucked off at those that couldn’t stay silent but now am of the opinion that those men who did give the ultimate sacrifice did so so we all could have a freedom to speak and voice our opinions.
It would appear that Freedom is only afforded to those that conform with the majority.
To me they are young guys who ae taking into account the many many millions who have suffered at the hands of the British Empire on nearly every Continent on the planet.
I may not agree with them but I do understand them so I have no issue with them.
Same shite every year if you want to remove it altogether simply remove the whole thing from a Football environment.
HH
Charlie Saiz,
Excellent post!
Kind of what I was trying to get at above, but my emotions about the subject made me r rant for a bit. Well said.
The issue is not the poppy or the fact that in the First World War many Irishmen as well as Scots were killed in horrendous ways.
The issue is the political correctness required when Rememberance Sunday comes arround.
The moronic overkill of having a big gun at Ibrokes, teams denigrated if they do not wear the poppy, McLean being stigmatised by a moronic element is the same as the knuckle dragging moronic element that could not keep quite for one minute at Dingwall yesterday.
They are at the same level as the other side they claim not to be be fascist knuckle dragged.
Respect the individual who was not a professional soldier, but was conscripted to fight, they deserve yor respect, as many were your relatives.
Seems my poppies post was lost
Great article as usual:
“Grow up, the fucking lot of you.
If you want to moan about it, do it in your own time.
Not Celtic’s.”
Well said……….
I think the pressure to conform to establishment values in this case is all pervasive. All those servicemen and women in at least World War Two died so that we could maintain a society where free speech, protest and having alternative views was encouraged and legally protected. It would seem a dishonor on any gallant sacrafice that those who disagree are being victimized and witch hunted by the very organs that are supposed to print and report on free speech and use the same laws to safeguard their pisspoor reporting, often for simple profit motives. I wonder how many ethnic Indians, Africans not to mention the Irish and other people who lived under brutal British rule in undemocratic colonies were standing thinking, an Apology might be in order here !!
correct. and why the fuck is this going on in football stadiums?
no politics in sport apparaently.
or at least thats what the gb are told.
Well said Charlie Siaz. Why football? Seems odd to me
Thanks Bb I think it revolved round money and image myself.
Football is morally corrupt in the Modern era it sold it’s soul to the highest bidder (SKY etc etc)and now sells it’s arse wherever and whenever it can.
To redeem itself (clear it’s own manky conscience ) it totally goes OOT when it comes to this sort of thing.
The folk that run/own/leach off our game use it to win favour from an otherwise negative view outside of the game.
The more Clubs and FA’s lay it on the less likely those outside are going to point the disapproving finger at them.
Celtic v Ross County
League cup semi final.
Didn’t the soldiers who fought and died in two world wars , not do so that we could have freedom . Choice to behave as we like within the law.
Didn’t the soldiers who fought and died in illegal wars in Irag and Afganisthan lose part of the respect soldiers have had
Didn’t the British soldiers who murdered innocent men women&children in the North of Ireland removed all freedom from these people , and all respect from friends and relatives
Monti, thanks.I’d forgotten all about the draw today or else snoozed off! Not too worried about any of those teams at Hampden. to be played 30/31 January.
Hibs vs. St. Johnstone
Celtic vs. Ross County
At Hampden. Hope the pitch is better!
Devoy,
Hopefully have a big new shiny centre half in the side to partner Simunovic.
Hopefully not a 17 year old on loan from Arsenal.
Good stuff Ralph. To paraphrase a famous quote: I don’t agree with the eejits who felt the need to interrupt the minutes silence, but I’ll defend to the death their right to do so….
My granda turned down a job in Fairfields shipyard to fight the fascists in WW2. He died for my right NOT to kowtow to the jingoistic hyPOPPYcrites forcing this down our throats.
Sure, it might’ve been best for everyone to haud their wheecht. However, it’s totally absurd just how much attention this kind of thing gets in a so-called democracy, and how many mealy-mouthed military apologists and cowardly union-jack waving hypocrites are queueing up ready to pounce. In fact, you could even argue a case that the poppy fascists themselves are to blame for any dissent, by the way they’ve gone totally OTT on this issue in recent years.
I for one, am really glad the POPPYCOCK is over for another year. RIP
Respect the dead of the two World Wars even if you have other feelings about what happened more recently.
How many of you have a Japanese TV sitting in your living room? How many of you have, or would like a German BMW or Blaupunkt hi-fi system
If you hate the Japanese and Germans because of their war atrocities you just don’t buy their products…but you don’t boo during their national anthems at the Olympics or the World Cup do you? That doesn’t mean that you forget what happened, only that you let the dead rest in peace and let the hatred be buried as well. Or maybe some guys just want to keep igniting hatred from a safe distance?
Disrupting a minute’s silence (from the safety and anonymity of a crowd) says more about your lack of character than anything else. And as others have rightly pointed out it gives ammunition to those who would harm our club, or at least deflect attention away from the stench coming from Mordor.
So if you don’t want to respect a minutes’ silence in the stadium, just watch the match on the internet in your own house and you can behave any way that you want. Just don’t shame the good name of our club and it’s good fans of diverse beliefs and opinions. HH
Why does any Celtic supporter care, even in the slightest, what the msm says about us or our club. They are discredited lamb munchers, working to their own secret agendas. They have succeeded yet again in dividing us, when the real argument is why a politically motivated minutes silence is forced on football fans, yet we are persecuted for displaying out own political views. Remove all politics from the stadium, or none. I thought the Celtic support had seen thru the msm agendas. Seems there is still work to do in that regard.
Spot on Politics and Sport should be kept well apart.
You want a minutes silence go stand at the Cenotaph every day.
It’s not going anywhere and was built for that reason.
Absolutely Charlie,
That’s twice I’ve agreed with you on the same day Charlie……lol.
You may find we have far more in common than not Monti.
Time will tell 😉
sport & politics are entwined Charlie, sometimes that’s the only voice people have: at sporting venues. Celtic park in the 50’s 60’s 70’s for example.
it’s 2015 Brian we have so many more platforms to voice our feelings this being one of them.
If we want to remove the angst every year at these events simply remove the core cause ie the Politics.
Sporting Arena- Sport
Political Arena-Politics
Good luck with that one Charlie: Olympics anyone?
It can be done if there are enough wanting it to happen.
Sport seems to be taking a look at itself now with FIFA UEFA Athletic Cycling all screaming for change at the same time.
I don’t think you will ever truly eradicate Politics from any Sport but we can certainly limit the mash ups between the two as in the case of these ever increasingly nauseating Remembrance days at games.
Can’t see it happening any time soon but one can only hope.
Strange thing is, the hysteria around wearing of the poppy is the same hysteria that forced all those young men to go off on their big ‘adventure’, pressurized by the monarchy, the aristocracy, the church and society in general. Young men who had doubts about the war were posted white feathers as signs of cowardice! Only the young men and women of Russia saw through it all and did something about it. What are we supposed to be remembering anyway? Imagine going off to give your only life for the assassination of an Archduke? World War Two was a different matter altogether. Young men reading this.You only have one life. Make damn sure you don’t waste it on somebody else’s idea of what your own life is worth.We should remember the men who wouldn’t go fight in the poppy fields. They were also heroes.
great post devoy
Those that do the majority pressing,goading or lambasting very seldom have sacrificed anything themselves.
Football is heaving with hypocrites none of whom have ever gave a single minute to their Nation or otherwise.
You want to criticise others for not buying into the War?go sign on the line or stfu.
That’s my view always has been.
Back to football…. I have looked at my calendar and I have a cunning plan. The minute the Internationals are over. We should all start writing in social media that the Killie game is a must win for Ronny’s team and that his entire tenure at Celtic is riding on this 1 game. Then when we win 3-2 we should slate the team and say that all the board is at fault for not spending. Blame Ronny and all his staff. Then start accusing the players of not showing up and playing terribly and say that they are all inferior. With any luck they will think they just lost to a well organized team from Scandinavia and bounce back with a 5-1 win against Ajax.
Charlie do you have a facebook page made up about putting in a fiver to the trust ?
No why?
Good post Ralph however without sounding pedantic I’m going to sound pedantic by questioning your statement on “I’m not a fan of charities, especially ones with employees’ Well speaking for my self who is an employee of a very large charity how else do you attract suitable, well trained, experienced people to run said charities? studying for 4 years at Uni there were options to move into the private sector however I have found most people working in the welfare sector do it because they want to make a decent contribution to society, good intentions don’t pay the bills.On another note…It may be beneficial for Celtic to name on their official site all the Celtic players who have died in the 2 world wars.
HAIL HAIL N aw that.
Been offered that sort of job, and over here, it may be different where you are, as litle as 5p in the ound goes to the cause. Not for me.
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-cheated-football-fraudulent-silverware/10066
Was just thinking about it , good idea as long as lawell and co dont get there hands on it , would create a huge amount of interest in celtic and show what us as fans are capable of. I reckon you need to get it into social media to spread the word tho, you should create a facebook page and twitter , add to all the celtic sites and it would take off. Doesnt seem to be to much interest on here