Twitter was twatted and Facebook fecked last night as Celtic supporters put on the black cap and decided that Ronny Deila’s time was up at the club.
The press, delighted to be able to focus on something apart from corruption now have something to get their teeth inot, ably abetted by a support which , although it has every right to be disappointed with another inept display, either won’t or can’t see the big picture.
Some of our players can’t be arsed with the Europa League.
Now, you may argue that the buck stops with Ronny, and it’s his job to make them arsed, and the lack of chesion and understanding is again down to him, and you’d have a point.
But only up to a point.
The whole performance last night was summed up by the reaction of Kris Commons after his goal. you’re one down in a game you have to win. Watch the video, and then look at his face here.
Over the moon, isn’t he ?
Commons was the most senior player on the park last night. He took no part in the second half, citing a hamstring injury. I’d say it was more likely to be something wrong with his heart.
He wasn’t the only one. But remember the passion he showed last time out when he was in the dugout ?
Pity he didn’t save some for when it would have done some good.
It didn’t help when Jozo Simunovic was stamped on early doors, forcing a fifth minute substitution that allowed Tyller Blackett to have us all missing Efe Ambrose, but once again the defence, Keiran Tierney apart, collapsed into a disorganised panic, and led to the customary two goals against.
One of which the defender, I only saw the replay, actually moved out of the way of the shot.
No manager can legislate for that.
The result leaves Celtic needing to win both remaining games in the group to qualify. We’ve been lucky in that respect. Can it be done, however, is a different question to will it be done.
By the way, at least Fener fans have a sense of humour, you know, like we used to have.
So, back to the big picture.
The team last night looked like, with a few exceptions, it was dying. There is a need for rebuilding, but wasn’t that why Deila was hired in the first place ?
Already we can point to players who are fitting in nicely, such as Gordon, Tierney, Forrest, Biton, Armstrong, Rogic, Janko, perhaps Boyata and Simunovic, when fit-or at least when it’s not made public that he has a dodgy ankle-and of course Griffiths.
Ryan Christie, Scott Allen , Gary Mackay Steven show promise, and there are other youngsters in the wings.
This team, the one thats waiting , is the one to judge Deila on.
Not the shattered remnants from last night that the EPL didn’t want to buy.
Theres a lot to be sorted, and a huge job ahead.
It doesn’t make any sense to start from scratch again.
When the press , and some supporters, claim that domestically Celtic are so far ahead, isn’t that the time to blood youth, and to build a team that can consistently step up to the next level ?
Doesn’t it make more sense to do that while the Scottish league is more or less a certainty, instead of bumbling along collecting honours ?
Ronny has been here for around sixteen months. He needs at least another season and a half.
If by then things haven’t improved in europe, we can start to ask questions, but for now, give yourself peace and back not only him, but the players, because they read social media and newspapers as well.
And I think they don;t need anyone else to tell them they’ve let themselves, the club and the supporters down.
Collectively, the management and the players have got us into this mess.
It’s up to them to get us out of it.
I’ve done my bit, sending a coaching manual to Lennoxtown;
By the way, you think you’re depressed ?
What about my mate ?
He’s caught up in that nonsense surrounding Sharm El sheikh.
He texted me , complaining about the beggars, the lack of toilets, the overall stench and the flies.
Wait till he finally leaves Manchester.
Good post………….I agree.
It canny help the (shite) defence though when the North Stand Maldini’s start their howling at them from the get go.
Fucking belter lol.
bawsman,
Yeah it’s all the fans fault is it?
Monti………did ye miss the word in brackets?
As soon as the ba’ goes in the direction of our nets there is a collective FFS NAW!!!!! before anyone does anything.
For the both Molde goals last night we had players who had made half arsed clearances – the result of which was 50-50’s which NO Celtic player wanted to go to because they are shit scared of the crowd reaction if they mess up (which they probably would to be fair).
As for Tyler Blacket moving OUT OF THE WAY OF THE BALL when it was coming towards him for the 1st goal, he can GTF.
It was Kayalesque…..
I kinda agree with most of the points you make, Ralph. He should be given a chance to educate his own players and have them play the way he wants them to play. You are correct in the fact that we have a load of young players making their way through the ranks and potentially we have a great team that can make their way in Europe.
This has a chance of happening unless we sell the upcoming starlets to compensate the lack of Euro money, like we have done with VVD, Wanyama, Forster etc
another year and a half for this diddy come on,please get rid of him and put him out of this agony,its not just last night.
Makes the same mistakes ‘over and over’ when it comes to setting up the team.
Imagine him taking a team to Bayern or the Nou Camp? It could be 12 conceded.
A bit of pragmatism is needed in Europe and he cant do it, we concede 2 everyime we go out when the first concern should be a clean sheet.
Yes the players arent up to it but neither is the organisation. You’re not telling me these players arent better than Telfer McManus Caldwell Naylor?
Boyata is still learning his trade Blackett is a loan (thank fuck) Lustig has been below par and Izzy is not a great defender.
Kiean Tierney put them all to shame last night simply by putting in a shift and doing the basics.
Time for a clearout.
Totally, starting with Deila!
Monti. Statistically in his first 2 seasons Lennon lost 50% of his European games. Winning 25% and drawing 25%. One of those seasons did not involve Champions League qualification as Celtic went straight into the Europe League. Deila has won 33%, lost 37% and drawn 30% against better rated opposition for at least 4 games more. Give him more time and let’s make suggestions instead of just slaying him. Can you see a way of continuing with his attacking tactic, but changing things drawn for the better?
I agree Charlie all too often I seer our defenders screw up the most basic of things losing their man because of ball watching, taking their eyes off the ball when clearing, getting in the keepers line of vision, but not coming close to contacting the ball and passing the ball to a player that has a man less than 2 feet away rather than getting rid. Back to basics with a pendulum holding midfielder and 1 FB staying off of play by 20 yards.
Ronnie needs time I for one back him all the way.
Really?
And your unrequited love is based on what?
So let’s get this straight ..
You back the Manager it is now to be known as Unrequited Love?
We called it Support in days gone by.
“We are all Neil Lennon”
No apparently that was just man love.
Away and raffle yersel Monti.
Gordon – Scared to leave his goal line in case one of the CB’s heads goal wards.
Lustig – Dragged inside to cover for the CB’s and left exposed and looking poor, he also is the whole right side of Celtic, no-one in front of him to receive the ball.
Teirney – Looks like potential Quality not Anton Rogan yet though.
Jozo – Unlucky but ankles of glass
Boyata – Distributes the ball like Beckenbaur… but he’s in his 70s now.
Johansen – Unsubbable… and that’s the problem
Bitton – sloppy passes last night but tried
Commons – YOU’RE PLAYING ON THE RIGHT, NOT THE CENTRE!!!!!!
Rogic – Trying too hard but had no-one to pass to most of the time
Armstrong – Get him into the middle of the park, wasted wide
Griffiths – Tried hard to shut down space, needs more composure in Europe.
Ronny – Had the team lopsided, everything was going down our left hand side which made us easy to defend against )Forrest came on and played the same way Commons had been making me think that was the instruction). Both fullbacks too far up the pitch when we attacked leaving us vulnerable to counter-attacks (same as last game). Brings off Blackett and moves Bitton to Centre back and low and behold Bitton makes a midfielders challenge which might not even have been a booking in the centre of the park and we are down to 10 men. Was the sub decision due to the fact that Johansen cannot be brought off? No change to team shape as it was obvious things were not working.
Canny argue with that saved me some typing time thanks bud.
HH
That’s a shame….
Watching Celtic in Europe these days is a stressful occupation. Agree absolutely with your comments. Some other positives/clutching at straws – delete as per your inclination. Tierney was again outstanding and arguably our best man on the pitch – if that is the future, then things look bright. Molde’s keeper brought off two first class saves – on another night it might well have been 3-2 and we would have been saying we played poorly, but dug out a hard fought victory. The margins between success and failure are often finely drawn. And from where I was sitting in the North Stand it looked to me as is if their second goal came from an off-side position. I haven’t seen the replays of our two disallowed goals, so can’t comment on whether it was a case of ‘we wuz robbed’.
It’s all talk talk with Ronnie and crap on the pitch. I see no signs of him learning just a stubborn reliance on a system that doesn’t work and he won’t change. Not see so gutless a Celtic for a long long time.
The System is fine the implementing of it isn’t too many not turning up and playing to their ability.
Bottlers.
If you do not have the players to play the system you want, is it not time to change the system to one that they can play?
Or bring in players who can or will.
They can do it they have proved this in the SPFL.
I think some can’t handle the big nights under the lights myself.
Bottle merchants.
Deluded! We will have 10,000 hard core only if we keep this man. People not turning up in droves and his signings are terrible. A good guy but in the wrong job, far to big for him! He must go now we need to re group and get some pride back in Europe
Franco,
The worrying thing is, is that performances like last night are becoming the norm.
How anyone can see positives in this Celtic side must be fucking blind..IT IS NOT WORKING!
get him tae fuck!
If we continue to persist with this mythical it’s going to get better nonsense, then we truly are fucked.I have watched many Celtic teams over the years and on the odd occasion a side didn’t turn up. But seeing a Celtic side continually evaporate in front of your eyes as regularly as this one does, sets the alarm bells ringing. I don’t think I have seen as poor European performances as I have witnessed under the clueless one, no passion, no fight, no ability and no motivation and remember, this is against teams that are probably at the third level of European football. He has no ability to learn and solve the problems that we witness on a regular basis and not just on the European stage.
His time is up and if he is left to continue for any further period, the damage being done will be detrimental to the up and coming younger talent.
Wee update for you andy we have been mediocre at best for 3 years.
1 great Season in 6 in Europe is not an accurate level to judge from.
Goo look at the esults from when Lenny took over.
Started slow peaked in the middle then tailed off.
Just so happened to coincide with the new approach to transfers.
Invested in some great potential then sold it off.
That’s not a recipe for future development that’s cashing in for the here and now.
Balance Sheet 4 Team sheet 1
It’s got nothing to do with previous stats or previous managers.
The bottom line is the manager has bought extremely badly and his inability to coach is there for all to see.
How many £1m players did Molde have out on the park?
They had players out there willing to fight and operate as a unit.
Just like we have done in previous Seasons we upped our game and fought as one to overcome the gap in raw talent.
Norwegian sides dont pay big bucks for average talent.
We do that’s just a circumstance of where we happen operate as a country.
They dont’have the richest League in the World next door.
We do and as a result we pay more for les
That has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I have said all along, Deila is the luckiest man on earth to be given the job of mismanaging Celtic FC.
He is a dud.
totally changing the subject face it deila is a a dud,give that man 11 messis and he would have them playing like amateurs
Charlie Saiz,
But we aren’t ” upping ” our fucking game now are we?
He took a side in Norway from newly promoted to Champions in 4 years.
But hey he knows fuck all about Management.
They certainly upped their game 😉
Larsson, Sutton, Petrov, Hartson, all top players who managed to motivate themselves for Europa League games.
If the current lot can’t then they clearly have a higher opinion of themselves than the rest of us do.
If Delia is responsible for motivating the players how come we are always worse in the second half? What goes on in that dressing room?
I can take losing, it’s not nice but I can cope with it. What I can’t take is a lack of fight from our team.
In the away game I was disappointed when the teams came out and we were not in the Hoops. Last night I was wishing the opposite as the players didn’t deserve to wear those shirts.
Can’t agree with a word you said shite is shite and when a celtic player can’t put in a 50 50 challange time to go I regard our defence as cowards terrney exception
Boyata is definitely not good enough.
He’s young and has time to develop but I still maintain O’Connell at this stage still looks a better bet.
Sorry but Deila talks a good game, but that’s as far as it goes. We’re arguably worse in Europe this season than last. If we don’t sack him now it’s further down we’ll go . It’s all fine beating teams in league, but considering our resources a trained chimp could do it. It’s not personal , Ronnie just hasn’t got it much the same as Tony Mowbray didn’t.
We had Jason Denaayer and Virgil Van Dijk in Cental defence.
That’s oughly £25m worth.
We now have a half fit Lustig,Boyata,Blacket and a poor Izzy left.
Hardly going to be better is it?
Was Lennys side improved by the departure of Wanyama Hooper and Forster?
No it wasn’t.
Nothing to do with Management you can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear mate not unless you are a fucking Magician.
My “r” button is playing up sorry for the poor post.
sorry charlie but you keep defending the undefendable,persisting with deila is going to do untold damage to the club,stop the rot now,most of the players we have are internationals ,anybody could have them playing in a system that works,clearly his tactical nous is nil,one plan thats it,and if its not working oh shit now what do i do.
Charlie Saiz,
The way we performed last night ” has nothing to do with the management “?
That is a seriously worrying statement to make.
So when Tony Mowbray was utter shite as our manager, going by your thinking it must have been all the players fault?
Tony Mowbray won any titles before or since?
Deila has won 2.
One in Norway one in Scotland.
That’s the point most seem to be missing here he took an average side in Norway and won the league within 4 years.
Fist 2 Seasons they were skirting with relegation but Stromgodset stuck by him and allowed him the time to put his theory into practice.
Mowbray has not proven that anywhere.
We broke a 96 year defensive League record last Season won the League Cup without conceding a single fucking goal.
Now did we build on that?
No we sold our best defender and replaced him with a young defender with great potential.
Unfortunately he has had injuries.
That left us with Ambrose Boyata Mulgrew.
Blackett was brought in as backup for Izzy.
Now let us look at the injuries we have had..
Mulgrew long term
Janko out fro a while after a promising start
Lustig couple of niggles(his record is beginning to emulate Kayals btw on that score).
Form wise.. Efe hot and cold and gets pelters regardless so his heid has dropped.
Boyata is still a work in progress yet may still make it though that’s looking less likely.
Blackett ..not working out he will be gone in Jan.
Izzy to me a very poor defender has been fro 2 years even moreso at European Level.
That leaves Tirerney an 18 year old who frankly has embarrassed the lot of them these past few weeks.
Our defence is shocking now and the above reasons are a huge part to play in that.
We lost genuine quality.
We replaced with Mediocrity
Our remaining quality have not been at it and our backup has been injured or is plainly shite.
Give me one fucking Manager who can transform that into a European level defence and I would call you a liar.
Deila can organise them they were organised last year.
Fact
He organised and had Stromgodset up for winning a Title from nowhere.
Fact
He won the League by 17 points last season
Fact
We are currently leading this one by 6 with a shocking defence
Fact.
But he simply must go…
“Because he’s fucking hopeless”
Not Fact
Yawn!
Dear Mr.Lawwell,
I’m surprised you have time to spare writing articles for E-Tims…which is the best blog available..except on days like today.
I really despair when I read stuff like this.
This isn’t just about last night…this is about obvious problems which we’ve had for too long now.. and aren’t being addressed.
Without even going as far as individual players..does anybody really enjoy our style of play ?
The second half last night was dire…no passion,no urgency,no pace.
It’s all very well strutting your stuff against crap teams like Dundee Utd..but when the chips are down..we don’t have a clue…and that’s where Ronny comes in.
It’s his job to set the team up to cope with the opposition…and sadly..he doesn’t.
Its the same old stuff..slow slow a wee bit quicker..slow…and that’s why he has to go…He’s had long enough to sort it out.
Tierney was a shining light last night…and when an 18 year old newcomer has to show the team how its done…
Then the defence rests its case M’Lud.
What ever happened to the , high tempo football, we were promised?. My Arse after a few pints of the black stuff is more high tempo. Hh
Tactically inept, unable to coach, no ability to spot and hire decent players, rigid & stubborn in approach, reverse Midas touch with Gordon (to name but 10), talks high intensity but teams crawl through games but he’s a nice guy. Let’s give him another year and a half. Listen to yourself.
Cecil,
I’d give him…. Until about 5 tonight!
That’s precisely 2 hours 7 minutes more than I’d give the twat, nice bloke or not!
Delai should be sacked. He has had enough time to bring in players whom he can motiviate. last night best attacks were from lustig at right back. Delais team of internationals cannot pass and frequewently concede interceptions. o also the end product is absolute pish! team of athletes…rather have afew footballers thanks
Sorry the game is about opinions and in my opinion you’re wrong
Ronnie himself said judge him in a year now you say judge him in 3!
Signings have been bad yes but at what point does the manager have to be held responsible for what we are seeing in the pitch.
I agree with every word andybhoy said, we are deluding ourselves trying to blame the press or any one else.
Players know the score and in my opinion have looked at Ronnie and went “naw” I’m not saying they are for too do it but you can’t watch that lay night and day they are playing for him, Tierney aside
He must go and soon we are going back ways fast and is his responsibility.
Get Paul Lambert in, did well at Wycombe and Norwich can coach a defence knows the club and is out of work
Ronnie is as I’ve said before a spoofer, talks well but is unable to transmit his ideas into action when it counts Nothing personal he’ll likely be better for this experience, but my concern is Celtic not his feelings
Correct.
So elcormaco ;where were you when Lambert was managing Aston Villa? Lambert was given money to spend and brought in what were supposed to have been some of Europe’ best players, internationals too[btw, I always liked him as a player for Celtic and wished him well when he left)but at Villa he ended up making Tony Mowbray look good and that is why he is still out of work.
Agree with Ralph, Ronnie has to be given another 12/18 months and get shut of Commons immediately, followed by at least Forrest, Blackett and maybe Boyata. So lets have a look at your other choices to takeover from Ronnie immediately, methinks it will be a severely limited field, unless you think Neil Lennon may be lurking in the wings with Samaras and Loovens.
However, it doesn’t really matter what we think, Lawel, imho will not sack Ronnie
until or if he loses the league, the S.F.A. cup or the League cup in this or the next season. Hail. Hail.
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Norwich?
have to say im 50/50 on the ronny debate, BUT im 100% on the get most of the players to fuck debate. Out of last night team only tierney and griffiths would be kept, im undecided on gordon now 🙁
The players in that team dont have the mental attributes required to play at that level, you can coach them to run faster and further, you can coach them to pass and control better and kick the ball better but you cant coach a football brain into them. At this level too many of them stand and watch the ball, they always seem to wait on someone else doing something, they never go to the ball always standing and waiting on it arriving, they constantly switch off and let players run off them, they drop back lazily instead of making an intelligent forward run. They dont have the game intelligence and never will.
European football is faster with more intelligent player and ours cant deal with it, bitton is a prime example excellent against SPL level teams yet constantly caught on the ball or losing his man in europe.
One of the worst things though is they look as if they dont care, we have no leaders on the pitch, no fighters and they just stroll about win loose or draw and thats the one thing as a fan i cant accept.
You can coach them to pass but i dont think they do as they are not very good at it.
Ralph do you work for peter lawell ? Take the blinkers off mate , all this push about rebuilding . That team is a rebuild by delia and its shite. Man for man they are international players and much better in every position than an average team like molde who are organised and work there socks off. If our manager cant organise and motivate that group of players its fuck all to do with plans and the big picture , its because hes inept. Agreed there is some exciting talent coming in but what makes you think hes going to organise that group any better than he has with this one. He has proven he is incapable in every euro game we have played
Agree with most of your post but have to disagree regarding Forrest; time and again he failed to show up was poor again last night tried on one occasion to beat a man and cross, failed at both. He should look at Tierney, he knows how to do it. For me Forrest and others hid again last night not good enough. Manager’s fault? Not sure there is much he can do if defenders can’t defend, midfielders can’t pass the ball 10 feet to a team mate etc. etc. Blackett not for me he was absolutely out of his leaque constantly had NO IDEA what to do, he’s not a defender never mind a footballer! Any way , hail, hail!! At least we’re not Huns about to go down the shitter AGAIN and with as much dignity as a drug dealer
That’s an awful thing to say about drug dealers.
That same 18 year old never would have been given his chance under Lenny, WGS and MON. There is no need to panic. Deila has a vision and vision takes time. His minimum requirement is to win the league, a cup or two, and get his defence fixed. He should be given 3 years minimum. No harm done. We were very unlucky last night. One of their goals was offside and Griffiths should easily have put away the goal when he thought he was offside and wasn’t. I think our two offsides were offsides. So there you go, a few inches here or there, and its 2-1 to us. Maybe our luck will arrive in our last two games? European play is much tougher than it used to be and the average team is much better. Molde is a very good team because they play as a team, with grit. We can do the same.If you judge everybody by Europe, then Molde’s position in their own league is irrelevant. They’ve add all year to gel, we’ve only just begun. Maybe the Norwegian stomped on Simunovic as part of his match instructions?
Exactly. and the time to do that is now, when we are a wee bit ahead of everyone else, and there is less pressure.
Straws and clutching come to mind.
He talks a good vision. What we see is a whole lot different. Where’s the high intensity, quick passing game he’s been promising for 18 months? It’s the emperor’s clothes. He’s a busted flush and will/can never recover. Players see through his shite and we get to see their resulting gutless, clueless performances.
Spot on 3 years then review it.
It took Lenny his 3rd Season to crack the European game properly.
Three years to get up to the standard of Lenny’s European performances? Christ, anybody know how I can get a quick booking in the Dignitas clinic?
It took Lenny 3 years to produce a performance that beat Barca at Celtic Park.
If you look at the first 2 Seasons we were average to poor.
Then look at the final Season we wee again on the slide.
I take nothing away from Lenny’s best performances. Overall, though, he had a poor record. We can’t wait another 18 months to get back to that poor standard. Root and branch changes needed and needed now.
I don’t it’s the managers that are the problem I think the problem lies with fan expectations personally.
We are attempting to operate a “European level Club” with SPFL level players.
Thing is when the SPFL level slips this low that European Level is all that higher to reach.
Cftci Armstrong GM-S Rogic Boyata Blackman European level?
Aye right.
Then chuck in an underperforming Lustig Izzy Bitton and Forrest what are you left with?
No chance of doing anything in Europe.
So how come Molde are achieving great results and topping the Europa league group?
Do Molde have Norwegian league level players or European level players?
Yep. The players are as decent as the Norwegian ones. The Norwegians are just hugely better coached with a decent manager. We’ve got a clueless coach who’s too stubborn/incompetent to learn and we then have players who see through that. Once you’ve seen your manager is clueless tactically and out of his depth in every aspect of the game, you do your own thing. There’s then no team performance and it looks gutless and laboured and far from the promised high intensity stuff. Get Deila out right now. There’s no time to waste.
Ronny Deila (the Norweian) took his newly promoted Norwegian side to the top of the Norwegian game in 4 Seasons.
Making him one of the best Norwegian coaches in Norway.
Molde from Norway are a decent side who are raising their game under a Norwegian Manager.
Somuch so in fact they are showing Fenerbache Ajax and Celtic a clean set of heels.
They are having a Season to remember.
Bit like ours in 2003 when we hit a final and won fuck all that Season but plaudits.
ralph , your blind loyalty to Ronnie is just that blind, if you think that he is the answer, I am sorry in my opinion he is not, a team full of headless chickens again last night, no motivation, no desire, tactically inept, no plan b, wrong team choice and it goes on and on, this is against a team sitting 6th in there national league!!!
sorry ralph, Ronnie must go, the experiment has failed, time to move on a save the tiniest bit of credibility we have left in europ
Not blind loyalty. check the diaries for about the first four months of his regime. spookily like the reactions to the current run. but there are foundations being put in. Lets wait a while and see what the building looks like when its done.
Correct.
What foundations? Dodgy Gordon, Boyata, Blackett, Johansen, Ciftci, Scepovic? Feels like it’s being built on sand to me.
Lustig is not the player he was
Izzy is not the player he was
Commons is getting slower by the month.
3 Key men from Lennys time who are decreasing in value.
We sold our best for cash and replaced with mediocrity and as a result the results in Europe have been on the slide ever since.
We scraped by Helsingborg and Shakhter in Lennys last Season the writing was on the wall then.
Hence why he and Johan fucked off.
One good season in 6 in Europe is not the Barometer in which to judge others by.
Elfsborg not Helsingborgs’
Lenny might have scraped wins but now we’re getting beat by worse teams.
Spot on Doc and at least and I know it’s no great consolation, at least they fought.
…..and they scrapped because they knew the manager had some kind of clue. Everybody can see Deila’s limits. His strengths? He’s a decent bloke. Sadly, that can’t be allowed to cut it any longer.
We don’t have time to wait..
What will he do in the future that’s different from the past…?
Zilch is the answer.
I repeat..our style of play is nonsense..and he’s in charge of it.
Get rid.
We are top of the League we have a Season more to clear out ,clear up and get it right before we go again.
This is top telly charlie saiz handing Mongti his ass hahaha hahaha haha.
Bob,
Makes a change from Leith dockers handing you your wife’s arse back!
Ralph,
What foundations? There is NO evidence we are getting it right.
I disagree strongly with your faith in Deila.
If there were clear signs Celtic are heading in the right direction, then that would be reflected on the pitch.
Devoy45, about the stamp said exactly the same at the time; that was a deliberate stamp, no yellow referee a clown. As Ralph said there seems to be a rule that if you cripple somebody in the first 10 minutes you get a finger wagging. A finger wagging for putting a player out of the game disgraceful!
That’s called being streetwise and savvy, we don’t employ these type of tactics because the manager is naive in every aspect of how you fight to win a game of football.
We don’t employ these tactics because we are Celtic and we like to play Football in an honest manner.
You are kidding?
Tell that to Bertie Auld, Davie Hay andRoy Aitken to name but a few.
You put those types of challenges in nowadays (it was the norm then )you will be playing most games with 10 or less every week.
You need a Tardis mate not a new Manager stop living in the past ffs.
You really are thicker than I thought. I’m sure we were the only side to receive a red card last night, which came about, courtesy of the clueless one putting Bitton in central defence.
Was that card eceived for the type of challenge the Molde player put in on Simunovic?
No it wasn’t it was a last ditch poorly timed efort from a player who plays as a defensive mid for a living.
ie some cunt who really should know how to make a challenge.
Had Ronny put on Efe I am more than certain you would have had plenty to say about that too.
ps.
If you think I am thick then more fool you andy.
Andy,
No he is thicker than you thought….
Yet running rings round you all the same 😉
The one thing that has turned me from “Take all the time you need Ronnie” to “Whats the fucken point?” is the constant “We shall attack, attack attack!” pish the manager comes out with.
Strikers win you games and Defenders win you leagues … we are a shambles defensive wise. Regardsless of personnel, we should have a well drilled cohesive unit with everyone knowing their role. Being able to have nice OPTA stats means nothing if you cant win or hold onto a ball.
It is so bad that we could be as well playing Mulgrew and Ambrose at the back. Boyata is never a 1.5m player let alone superstar, He’s a total dud on the ball and a bigger bombscare than Tebily at the moment.
To be fair, root cause for a bad defence is when our philosophy is take people on loan, like last year in Denayera and we don’t have any continuity. We have lost our 2 centre halves valued at 10m each and replaced with a SIcknote and a Bombscare and 2 freebies. The Maths don’t lie.
Correct for all the talk of Debt Free and Selling on for profit we still owe the Co-op £14m and our side is being downsized as a result.
The Maths don’t lie.
Totally agree Desi, well said!
Have the creditors been paid monti?mwaahahahaha
Charlie saiz’s wee bitch hehehehehehehehehehehe
Sssshhhhh
This squad, especially without Scott Brown, is not good enough for European competition. Boyata, Ambrose and Blackett are never Celtic quality.
Plum,
This was clearly demonstrated last night…again!
The performance last night was fucking completely unacceptable, how many times do we have to hear shite like ” we didn’t turn up ” or ” we will fight to the end “? It is all fucking garbage!
Deila and a number of these players are fucking Charlatans, it isn’t good enough for a club like Celtic to be getting shat on by the likes of Molde!
Molde are a decent side, organised and have a plan, Celtic are disorganised and have bo fucking plan.
Tierney? Outstanding last night son and your efforts should make you proud!
Yes we were weakened by not having a fit Simunovic or Brown on the park, but so fucking what? Does the whole team performance become abject because we are missing a couple of players?
We are now reaping what we have sowed, sell our best players, replace them with shite and throw in a manager and backroom staff who don’t have the first fucking clue, what do you get? Fucking mince like we watched last night!
I want Deila out now, I mean fucking today.
Sick and tired of all this bluster and pish about work in progress, this is a shambles of a Celtic side, especially in Europe.
I don’t know about any of you on here, but I’m embarrassed and angry today.
The club needs a change of manager and certain players need to be moved on.
It hurts me to watch what we have become!
P.S. HAPPY 128TH BIRTHDAY CELTIC!
Celtic first and Celtic last and Celtic overall!
100% agree. No time to lose. I’m not just embarrassed but I’m fearful of what damage this clown can cause with another 18 months. Deila’s clearly set out to prove that Celtic jerseys do actually shrink.
Whit he said…wi’ bells on.
RD was another cheap option by a cheapskate Board.
Well said monti someone posters here have a hard on for deila,cannot see why maybe someone should explain the fundamentals of the gameto them,defend well,pass the ball to a teammate,and score more goals,maybe deila might read this and pass it onto the players because my fuck he seems not to have grasped it yet.
Monti; Don’t tell us that you want Ronnie out today; wether we agree with you or not we cant influence anything, maybe after a campaign lasting months something may or may not happen. Tell Big Peter, I am sure he will give you an audience and pass it onto the board. Hail. Hail.
I want Ronny out today!
Don’t think i’ve felt this depressed after a game since Henrik broke his leg.
Well said monty , do all you ronny lovers think the guys gona become a better manager because its a year on , what shite
A very hun like comment bravo take a bow.
the only hun on here is you,after reading your posts,and who made you the almighty I AM WRIGHT ALL THE TIME SHITE GET TO FUCK
SO what post on here are hun like then bud?
The ones that openly accept we are not as good as we seem to think we are or the ones that suggest patience rather than knee jerk reactions to poor results are a better way forward?
Elaborate if you feel the need to do so.
No I won’t be getting to fuck.
Shouty man.
xxx
I fully understand were we are as a football team,the manager is a dud,I take exception to calling people Huns,when they disagree with your point of view,you seem to be the only one shouting people down
Charlie Saiz,
Never mind the Hun pish…..
Go and suck a long one son.
That won’t be you then!
The board, RD JC and JK…all culpable, purchases zonal marking,one up front who’s 5’10”..my feeling is we play like Hibs when Collins was there and they were rotten,I think he has to much say in the way we play,zonal marking has to go..what’s the point of marking an empty space,injuries we have a far to long injury list,why,I think it’s down to our training style,all season we hear of injuries picked up in training,purchases and loan deals,Blackett can get the first train back to Manchester and take a few others with him,Gordon seems to have lost confidence in the defence, I could go on but I won’t,as a fan for over 50 yrs to say I’m gutted is really an understatement,
I’m still unsure if I want him to go. I don’t feel as angry as the last game v molde. The names being mentioned if he does go doesn’t get me excited. Did anyone watch villa under lambert?? They couldn’t score or defend. 8-0 v Chelsea. I’m just glad we never got into champions league though. It’s constant individual mistakes but a manager who’s to stubborn to change a system. Armstrong at right back was mowbrayesq. Bit of a ramble but I still can’t figure out if he stays or goes
Do you think we wouldn’t lose 8 goals to teams of that level? God forbid under the clueless one.
Charlie, you aren’t going to change any points of view, bouncing off peoples comments and fire fighting on the back of these performances.
They speak for themselves in more ways than one.
I will continue to question a point of view if I feel it has no substance andy regardless of what you think or have to say about it bud.
We were an average side when Deila came in he is attempting to change that through a different approach which of course will take time and patience.
I have both so I will afford him the time needed to do so.
If he fails to deliver then so be it tata Ronny.
I don’t a whole Season on European games like some in tome that in itself a joke.
We ply our trade in a sub standard League against very very average sides.
Whether you like it or not teams like Molde are organised and evidently able to find another few gears for Europe than they do at home in Norway.
Just like we have on and off in recent years.
I reckon they could easily put 5 past Aberdeen in Europe.
5 past Hearts? No problem.
It’s a different game in Europe our Manage is finding that out and I am prepared for him to alter things to suit.
Domestically we seem to have it fairly sussed so much so we are still in all 3 Competitions at this stage.
Same as last Season.
The performances have been poor on the whole no one is stating any different.
Fair enough, I admire your support of Deila, but I cant see it and I think time will tell we have made a big mistake with him.
As for me calling you thick, I hope you will accept my apology.
No problem andy no harm done mate I get where you are coming from I just have a wee bit more patience than some I guess.
HH
Patience?
Surely you lost your patience when you called a fellow poster ‘ Hun like ‘!
I agree with the poster who said you were thick….
You would do.
Your off ur heed saying this diddy needs another year n a half, open ur eyes the guy aint got a tactical thought in his brain hes useless in the dugout. Banged on abt fitness n fulltine athlete which was 100% right yet how leggy did the team look last night. Everybody knew molde were a counter attacking team yet ronnie the rocket thought ” ive got a good idea lets go away from home to this countering attacking side n push our full backs right up the pitch” r u for real get him out absolutely sick of this idiot. If hes there nxt year i wont b n thats something never thought id say.
monti,
on the money , I cannot see what is to be gained by continuing with this experiment and it is an experiment, if there were signs of hope, even a little piece maybe you could say give him time, but there are none, watching celtic in Europe is now a painful experience, humiliating, and its down to the manager, he is out of his depth and its time to go, thanks Ronnie for everything,, cheerio now
I have had quite a lot of time for Ronnie but this years European performances have been totally unacceptable.
The two games against Molde have summed up how bad he is at tactics. With his background he would have known how this team plays and should have countered this in the first game.
The fact the played the exact same way last night and he did nothing to change before or at half time is unacceptable. Once Bitton got sent off he looked like a rabbit in headlights and from what i saw did not change anything.
I would allow him 6 games with the Big Croatian back in the team as we have looked so much better with him at the back.
Gut feel is to look and sound out replacements now, so a new guy could come in at Christmas and start preparing the team for next Season.
Ralph 100 % agree give him time.
Text reply to my daughter below
Hi love – ye was a bit miffed this morning. Mind you I still love my club, give Ronnie time it will come good. Too many part time supporters calling for him to be punted. Took Stein 3 years to get a team together, O’Neil had cash to spend that RD doesn’t. Neil Lennon an Wee Chesney’ s first two seasons in European competitions were shocking, so give him time I say. Players need to look at themselves though. Rant over. Hope all is good love, back at Rat Plaza in the cockroach lounge an having maggoty rice soufflé mmm. Have a good evening Bubba xxx
Part time supporters? Get a grip.
….and how do you calculate it took Stein 3 years to get a team together? Unlucky semi-finalist of the Cup Winners’ Cup in 66 and championship winner when he started our management at the end of the previous season. Anyway, there’s now doubt that Deila’s in an entirely different league from Stein.
no doubt
RD said when he 1st arrived judge me in a year, well it’s been over a year & guess what, no progress(Infact we’ve actually went back the way). He was the manager of an amatuer team in Norway, why the feck was he even brought in in the 1st place?!?! He has to go, & go NOW!!! All these people on defending him, your having a laugh right?? Or are you Sevco fans in disguise?! 2nd rate manager. 2nd rate team. John Collins & John Kennedy are as much use as a condom with a hole in it. Clear out time! Don’t ask me who to bring him, that much money has been wasted in the last 2years there’s probably feck all left so it’ll have to be someone out of work. When Sevco got sent down to division 3 we were supposed to pull away & be light years ahead of them, now, we’re just slightly better. End of the day, you get what you pay for & Mr Lawell has a lot to answer for!
stiofan,
part time supporters ,, really, are you right and I am wrong, because I have a different opinion from you I am a part time supporter, I smell an orc boy, slither back to yer own midden
Charlie Saiz mentioned Roy Aitken earlier. I mentioned his name last night watching it. The team crying out for motivation and organisation. They are awful in Europe with no hint of improvement. 30/40 years ago teams for instance like Hungarians Ferencvaros/Honved were prominent in Europe. I know things change but I fear we are heading to European wasteland, wherever that is, or wherever they, and others are. Loved KT though! HH
I did but only in the apsect of someone needed to buy a Tardis to watch players tackle like him back in the day.
It’s not legal now.
We do need that drive and passion though it would seem some simply don’t have it at Celtic on a tough night in Europe.
I apologised regarding my thick comment I made earlier, but you really don’t seem to understand how to win football games. You can still be physical but fair, you can be naive and generally you will lose games. Deila is naive at best and hopeless when it comes to the basics of the game.
He was a CB by trade andy I think he might have a better grasp on that side of the game than most commenting on him on here and elsewhere?
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear mate and at the moment with the quality we have at the back available that is what he is attempting to do.
Pmsl….oh dear!
Embarrassed, depressed and angry. That is how I feel today. There are no excuses from Deila and co. just more bluster. I can’t remember watching a more gutless display in Europe at home. Terrible, young Tiernet aside. I hate calling for a managers head, but his tactics, if you can call them that are terrible. I actually feel for Cifci as he is being hung out by Deila and his attempt at a Plan b.
Charlie calling some one else’s view “hun like” is beneath you – he disagrees with you but his point of view has validity. I disagree with your view on giving Ronnie time, but Im not going to name call bud
To all of the people saying give Ronnie time, or its the boards fault or he’s rebuilding. Honest to God what will it take for you to see through Ronnie.
We watched bright, technical, well drilled and hungry players last night, and all of them bar Tierney were playing for Molde.
We never put a tackle in, never commit the some times necessary prefessional foul, we are a lovely team to play against, because you know you ll get time on the ball and no physical challenge (Even Brown is on mute theses days)
How many bargains have we picked up form Norwegian footbal thanks to Ronnies contacts and knowledge. that will be none. If this is because the board decide his signings he is a yes man and should be removed, if its because he honestly believes Boyata or Ciftci are better than the boy Kamara last night for example then he is a terrible judge of a player and should go, if Boyata and ciftci really are better than the Molde players then he cant motivate them or set them up right tactically, and should go.
There is clearly something amiss, big players not putting in the effort in big games, I dont believe guys like Commons, previously no bother off the field, suddenly become trouble makers.
Football is their job, and I belive most of them care about it a good deal, and are not putting in the effort because they think its the quickets way to get this pretender out the door and some spirit back into the club.
Its human nature, if you think the boss is a clueless pr**k you try less hard to show that is the case.
yes Vill aunder lambert were bad, but check his CV before then, Villa as a club are possibly even less ambitious than us these days, since O Neill left its been sell sell sell. Hmmn, sounds familiar.
When it’s hun like it’s hun like it has fuck all to do with differing opinions.
You don’t agree with mine fine I have no issue with that it’s your view based on your logic.
I don’t happen to share it and I am more then happy to debate it.
After nothing we say on here changes a dam thing.
HH
It isn’t meant to change anything, it’s a debate ya tit!
The raffel called off?
raffle’
Really “Ronny has been here for around sixteen months. He needs at least another season and a half.”
Sorry, change is need NOW, give the new manager time to review the squad for new season
There is NO sign of progression, totally 1 Dimensional … it’s Mowbray esq
WTF has happened to Johansen … looked a real good player last season, empty shirt this year !!!!! Something not right there.
Gordon has been fairly poor this year also, the 3 from Dundee united are not good enough, I could go on but can’t be arsed ….
One final point with the exception of two players nobody was prepared to put their body in the line of fire, no heart .. I will forgive lack of ability but not lack of desire and passion .. NOT IN THE HOOPS
PAUL LAMBERT … Needs a new job.
Ask yourelf why he is out of a Job.
Youself’ Keyboard is goosed.
Your…fuck it.
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Better.
Results!
No Monti, that’s the clueless ones tactics notes.
Lambert ruled himself out a few years back . As far as I’m concerned the day he walks back int CP I am off and will begin a Lambert out campaign the next day.
Pmsl
Monti,
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Cheers.
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Although I didn’t intend it, there seems to be a reference to the Ku Klux Klan in my last post. Spooky.
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You might want to put the eye holes in a different place before you type next time…
https://youtu.be/BgjpcxGhSMo
As usual people trying to chase a manager that is winning trophies, and has better euro stats in his first 24 games than the last three managers. We done it to Strachan and Lennon, Mowbray was the only one who deserved to go. We do not have the money or the attraction for top players any more, due to circumstances we cant control. I am looking at all these youngsters we are bringing through and buying, thinking this could be something great. Buts lets just tear up all the ground work that has been done forget the fact we have not had a settled defence due to players being injured, WANTING to leave or returning to their clubs and start again.
m1kks,
” Ground work “?
Ok, can you shoe evidence that this ahem…” Ground work ” is bearing fruit?
No.
However much the defence settles, with Boyata and Blackett anywhere near it, it’ll be shite.
Don’t know where you’re getting the “better euro stats in his first 24 games than the last three managers” from.
To win 8 in 24 against lower ranked teams than ourselves apart from Salzburg & Inter, 4 of which were against the giants of Iceland.
If you find that acceptable, then we might as well lock the doors and throw away the key.
Well, here in Holland they’re screaming at Ajax too and Az and Groningen and Feyenoord who didn’t qualify at all. It keeps getting tougher in the small leagues. And sometimes you get a team like Molde who defy the odds and do really well for a few games. Like Celtic against Barca.
I’m backing Ronny because I’d prefer to take longer but build something good than take the short-cut of playing backs to the wall football where you might scrape a result (e.g. Arsenal at home against Bayern) but don’t learn or improve and when your luck runs out (e.g. Arsenal away to Bayern) then its even more awful.
And don’t get started on Roy Aitken etc. Those teams got dumped out of Europe every September without fail.
For the pragmatists screaming Ronnie out, I hear Jim Jeffries is available
For the Ronny out brigade lo
Spot on.
HH
” Spot on “?
I think this Gentleman has been drinking.
Seldom drink next.
Wasn’t referring to you numbnut!
@Monti then why quote me?
alkmaarbhoy,
I think you have been spending too much time in the ‘ coffee ‘ shops!
So, tell me what’s ‘good’ about what Deila’s building? Solid defence? Creative midfield? Outstanding strikers averaging 20 goals each a season? I’ll tell you what he’s doing for us. He’s buying quality like Boyata and Scepovic (who might’ve had a better chance with a stronger manager), he’s borrowing Blackett and he’s buying ‘projects’ (Allan, Christie, Ciftci) who’re nowhere to be seen. He undermines ‘senior’ players and he fails to deliver the product he promises. Maybe that’s your definition of good but it scares the shit out of me.
Cecil,
….and me!
I agree with that.
I’d be more inclined to bring our own through than play some of the guys we did last night.
Replying to myself is not a good sign but just to clarify, i am agreeing with alkmaarbhoy and not CeciltheLion as it seems.
Is it just me or did the whole team look tired and running on empty after 60 minutes
Jebus absolutely nailed it in his comments at 11:27. Far too many of our players simply do not have the football intelligence to compete in Europe. In addition, Molde were faster, quicker, harder, stronger, more organized and more determined. Even their 40 year old was faster than Commons or Cifti. The latter runs like a man with 2 broken legs pushing a wheelbarrow. I have never seen a Celtic player looking less athletic. He makes even moderate players look like Usain Bolt. To me, it is a foregone conclusion that he will go the way of Bangura, Balde, Pukki, and all the other useless signings on which we have wasted a fortune.
I actually can’t believe there is still people backing the manager. How many performances and results like last night would it take to change your minds. If we ha lost to sevco he would be sacked. Do we have to lose a league before these people want rid. We tried something new and I didn’t work. 8 Europa league group games without a win ffs. Whats the fucking point. Were fucked. No champions league football for 5 years I’m willing to bet. We’ve fucked our coefficient an it will take 2or3 years in the Europa league knockouts to fix it. Ronny out last week!!!!!
Completely agree, as I said in reply to Monti last night, guys like Macari, Barnes and Mowbray must be wondering why Deila is getting support when they were hounded out.
Bgbhoy,
It is actually amusing now to see folk defending the indefensible!
It’s been a year now since we won a euro league game.
The definition of insanity: keep doing the same thing and expect different results
elcormaco,
Exactly!
I have asked for evidence to support people’s faith that RD is taking us down the right Road, that he is getting it right.
No one can give an answer….telling!
Ralph I’m confused. (As usual). You are backing Ronny to stay as manager but on your tweets above you are calling for D Moyes to come to Celtic????
Jimthetim..Hope you get a reply..Ralph only seems to respond to a select few..:0)…
I think the twitter is done by a few folk, one of the things I like about etims is the different views of the contributors, the site wouldn’t be here without them.
Jim Ralph does not Tweet under the Etims Twitter account that’s a different Bhoy.
I tweet under my own account only @richiestokes
Now I’m even more confuddled. Etims is RALPH!!!!
No?
We are all Etims.
Je Suis Etims.
What good has Ronny been doing? Kieran Tierney. Nir Bitton. James Forrest. My challenge to Ronny Deila is to start blooding our young bhoys: Tierney, Allan, Mackay-Steven, Forrest, Carroll, Nesbitt and start weeding out those who won’t play. It’s time to build a team that can win at home and at least compete in Europe. What none of the panic merchants on this site realise is that any tournament is based on who you draw and when. Any team other than Malmo and we would have been through to the CL. Any group other than the one we’re in would also probably see us through. I know you make your own luck but we haven’t had any. Some of our play under Lenny and WGS was boring and sluggish. Lambert? Moyes? The majority of Celtic fans once voted for Lou Macari as their first choice!!! Beware what you wish for. Bring back John Barnes, Lou Macari or Liam Brady? Deila won two trophies in his first year and you want to sack him?! Forget Europe for a while anyway. We last did anything there in 2003 and that was with a swollen budget that would have bankrupted us in a few more years and seen us competing with Sevco, away to Berwick and Peterheid. Give Deila 3-5 years and we will once more be playing and occasionally beating Barca,Milan and Man. Utd.The guy is learning, same as we all do, the hard way. As long as we win the league, the rest will come naturally. Phew, my meds!
No need for that bogbhoy