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Celtic Diary Thursday September 5

Who would have thought that the young footballer in the photo above would be mixing in such illustrious company just a few years later ?

The elite managers of European football got together again this week, and Neil Lennon was amongst their number,which  included: Arsène Wenger (Arsenal FC), Neil Lennon (Celtic FC), Antonio Conte (Juventus), Manuel Pellegrini (Manchester City FC), Paulo Fonseca (FC Porto), Carlo Ancelotti (Real Madrid CF), Laurent Blanc (Paris Saint-Germain FC), Jens Keller (FC Schalke 04), Mircea Lucescu (FC Shakhtar Donetsk), Miroslav Djukić (Valencia CF), Murat Yakin (FC Basel 1893), Jorge Jesus (SL Benfica), Rafael Benítez (SSC Napoli), Vladimir Petković (SS Lazio), Kurban Berdyev (FC Rubin Kazan) and André Villas-Boas (Tottenham Hotspur FC).

 

Not sure about the cardigan though. Cardigans are notoriously bad indicators of someones managerial ability, although formal wear can be equally misleading.

Credit to the huddleboards skidbhoy for that, which is superb.

As ever, in international week, its a bit of a slow news day, which gives us the chance to compare how news is reported in the big world with how it is done in Scotland, which is applying to join it next year.

Same story, two sources;

From the Insurance Times;

” Celtic footballer Emilio Izaguirre has been called to court in Edinburgh on charges of letting fellow footballer Jorge Carlos drive his car without insurance.

Izaguirre had been ordered to appear in court on Wednesday but his solicitor told the court the Honduran was currently on international football duty in Mexico. He confirmed that the Crown had approved his absence.

The 27-year-old left-back is maintaining his not-guilty plea and the trial will begin on October 3. ”

 

And on STVs website, where Izzaguerre has already been tried and convicted, at least according to the headline;

Celtic’s Emilio Izaguirre ‘let uninsured Jorge Claros  drive his car’

STV continue;

Celtic defender Emilio Izaguirre has appeared in court accused of allowing fellow Honduran footballer Jorge Claros drive his car without insurance. 

Er, no he hasn’t,  the article then goes on to contradict itself ;

” The 27-year-old had been ordered to personally appear at court on Wednesday when the case called for an intermediate diet.

However, when the case  called, his solicitor Martin Black said Izaguirre was in Mexico at present with his national football team. The Crown had approved his absence, Mr Black told the court.

Izaguirre, he said, was maintaining his not guilty plea and they were prepared for trial on October 3. Mr Black said a Latin American Spanish interpreter would be required. ”

And presumably someone who can understand English to help the STV reporter.

Nothing should surprise us in Scotland anymore, as the press, still apparently afraid of the huge story of corruption , tax dodging, cheating and general all round naughtiness at Ibrox continues to be ignored.

Over in the land that time is trying to forget, John McLelland and Paul Murray, both former directors of  First Rangers,  ( the one that died ) , have been asked to join the board of Second Rangers ( the one that is dying ) in order to bring peace and tranquility between the warring factions already on the board.

This despite both having being involved in an insolvency event, which according to SFA rules, should debar them. But hey, everything is at the discretion of the SFA, so there should be no problems there.

Things are a little tense over at Ibrox just now, as the accounts are almost due, which means an awful lot of people will be declaring just how much they have siphoned off the fans since they set the new club up.

Thats , of course if Second Rangers doesn’t become Third Rangers to avoid this annoying and distracting little legal obligation.

These days, one has to be careful when discussing the various entities to have emerged from the mess when the original club went into liquidation, which is the tunnel with no exit, despite what various experts have said about how they ” came out of liquidation ” , which is a first in world economic and financial  history. Another one of their “firsts ” which doesn’t actually stand up to any real scrutiny. Largely because no-one wants to look to closely.

Who can blame them, really, when any sort of close attention, leading to statements of fact, lead to all sorts of abuse and threats from those poor, deluded souls who believe the nonsense in the press about First Rangers and Second Rangers being the same club ?

Take the case of the BBCs Jim Spence. According to Chris Graham on twitter he said “John McClelland, former Chairman of the old club that died.”

On Chris Grahams twitter, there are literally dozens of  people, presumably supporters of the current entity , who have filed complaints about the “lies ” Spence has “spouted “. They want Spence sacked, or at the very least hung, drawn quartered and his body buried in the four corners of Scotland.

They are indeed a strange lot. Someone simply points out that they are , in fact , a new club formed using the assets stripped from the old one, to avoid paying any of their bills, and make a few bob for some dodgy investors, and all hell breaks loose. Shooting the messenger, as it were.

Which is not a new thing for them. According to a chap call Irvine Smith QC anyway.

Chapter 18 of his biography is called “The Ibrox Disaster ” , which he describes as ;

” the most important and onerous case that came my way as a sheriff ”

He sat on a case for damages brought by Mrs Margaret Dougan, who lost her husband in the tragedy. He focussed on the history of the stairwell that was the scene of the disaster, and concluded;

” if the stairwell was generally used without incident, it cannot be said, at least between 1961 and 1971, that it was ever used with safety and comfort. ”

He then gives examples of  a number of accidents that happened on the stairwell in that period;

The first of these accidents was on 16 Setember 1961….persons on the stairway stumbled and fell….as a result of this accident some seventy persons were injured and two died. ”

Rangers then employed a consulting engineer, to survey and superintend work, and to certify the contractors account for payment. His job was to make sure improvements to safety were carried out.

Smith says ;

” The defenders ( Rangers FC ) did not at that stage ask him, or any other civil engineers, or such expert, to advise them on any danger from crowd pressure there might be, on this , or any other of the stairways at Ibrox. ”

16 September 1967 there was another accident, eleven were injured, and ;

” like 1961, following that accident, the defenders did not consult any architect or engineer on any question of crowd safety on that particular stair. ”

2 January  1969, and 29 were hurt on Stairway 13, most again with “crushing ” injuries.

After this trio of accidents, the chief of Glasgow police arranged a meeting at Ibrox to discuss his concerns. David Hope, a Rangers director , said he would bring the matter to the attention of the board.

Smith;

” At no time did the board discuss the particular question of safety on this stairway following the 1969 accident. A repeat of the earlier inertia. ”

Effectively, he is saying that the club did nothing to prevent the disaster, despite several warnings. Then he called into question the character of those representing the club;

” I found the whole evidence in support of the Rangers version ( of events ) unimpressive in the extreme “.

On the 1971 disaster, he concluded;

” had the defenders taken one or more or all of the said precautions the stairway would have been reasonably safe and the accident to the deceased would have been avoided, or in any event the risk of such an accident as occurred would have materially reduced. ”

So, he upheld the claim of negligence.

 

The point here not about the negligence, or about bringing the disaster back to mind to score points , or any other trivialty, thats just nonsense. What I find interesting, nay disturbing, is what he said about some of the  the supporters;

” I became aware, however , on many occasions , not only at the time the judgement was issued, but over the years since, there were occasions thirty and nearly forty years after the accident, that some Rangers supporters I met were dissatisfied with the result and expressed their disapproval of it to me. they apparently could not accept that Rangers could have been at any fault. ”

To use the Ibrox disaster as a comparison to the attitude of Rangers supporters today may seem a little crass to some, but it is an example of overwhelming evidence being ignored because it does not suit the mindset that still prevails over Ibrox way. It may be as the press didn’t criticise as much as they should have, when three accidents had taken place. Perhaps warning signs were ignored. There is a parallel between this and the last couple of years of the original clubs existence..

It doesn’t look like its going to change any time soon, either.

Irvine Smiths book is called Law , Life and Laughter, and its worth a read.

The big picture of the grizzly was not Broxi Bear, searching for new and gainful employment, nor was it the bear without baws Ally McCoist.

It was, in fact, an attempt to stir memories of Peter Latchford, who when displaced by Pat Bonnar spent the rest of his career growing facial hair, and standing at one end of a field watching the action at the other end, whilst growing an exceptional faceful of hair. His bulk, Peter was no small fellow, led to comaprisons with the fearsome animal in the picture.

So, that was one youse never goat !

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brian53
9 years ago

Elite manager meeting without Jose Mourinho, pull the other one!

Typical, a Celtic player running away to play international football when he should be in court.
Bloody foreigners

Re: Them, They will never change and I dread to think how they will behave when they eventually get back to the top flight. I will never watch them play again, not in the flesh, not on the telly. Saying that, I’m not sure if zombies have flesh?

scholzybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Brian53

they will never return to the top flight mate no in ma heid anyway. they are sevco noo or the international federation of fuckwits or witever their callin therselves, therefore i for one shall treat them as the nonentity motherwell upgrade they have become. 😉

Marcus Fulton
9 years ago

why do you constantly talk about ‘the rangers’ coming from a celtic fan its quite heart breaking that even when the huns are dead .. guys like you still talk about them all the time and are still obsessed maybe next time you write this speak a little more about the only club in glasgow rather than these wannabe’s

scholzybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Ralph Malph

if we dont who will all swept away it will be. nope keep on about them the minute we stop they will be up tae their auld tricks again !

9 years ago

Is todays player, Allan Sneddon?…..abover I see Nelson…Nelson had one eye….Allan Sneddon…easy!

chuck
9 years ago

Latchford?? Ya cheaters!!

CarlJungleBhoy
9 years ago

Oh. So yesterday’s answer was Latchford was it? Cue hissy fit & folded huffy elbows – This proves JockEinStein’s Theory of Non-Relativity: 1) The distance between obscurely cryptic (but do-able) and so forking obtuse that only the person who thought it up could possibly travel there in x light years and 2) The energy expended on attempting to work this out equates directly to the mass of a black hole, but only if you go to mass every day – & twice on holidays of obligation – not just Xmas, Weddings & Funerals. NURSE!

9 years ago
Reply to  CarlJungleBhoy

Carl

You should try the DR crossword – Nah, on second thoughts……

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Brisbanecelt
9 years ago
Reply to  Pensionerbhoy

Agreed….I reckon Newton was closer….for every crazy outburst there’ s a reactionary nurse to cart you off to somewhere safe…

CarlJungleBhoy
9 years ago

BTW: Was Ronnie one of The Simpson’s?

greenmaestro
9 years ago

Nelson Muntz, hmm. Is this rhyming slang?

jon littledick
9 years ago

MarcusFulton, we’re not obsessed – it’s just impossible to avert your eyes from a slow motion car crash….

Sean Cahill
9 years ago

Who remembers coming out of the Jungle and trying to walk along Jansefield Street after a big game…..now that WAS scary. The number of times I, as a teenager, was swept along there for yeards without my feet touching the ground. It was just for the sheer grace of god that there were no more major crowd disasters in the old days. Being less aware of health & saftey is no excus…it was gross negligence by the authorities and all football clubs. You would even get into Parkhead in the old days if you were steamboats and carrying a bottle of buckie and half a dozen cans.

9 years ago
Reply to  Sean Cahill

Sean

What memories. Great times especially that warm feeling down the back of your leg when the guy behind missed the can. Niagara falls had nout on the Parkhead steps after a game and the post match aroma was – pish shall we say? Aye, Janefield St. saved ma maw a fortune on ma tackety bits.

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CarlJungleBhoy
9 years ago

Sean. Well YOU “would even get into Parkhead in the old days if you were steamboats and carrying a bottle of buckie and half a dozen cans” but you wouldn’t catch ME doing that. (I usually got somebody else to carry my carry-oot, preferred Lanliq, had more like a baker’s dozen cans, could actually hold my drink & and could run faster than Bolt on speed). Only joking BTW

9 years ago
Reply to  CarlJungleBhoy

Carl

Lost my brother in the crowd at a R v C match once. He had our joint carry oot, a bottle of best 2/- scotch in his pocket. Worst 2 hours of my life. And I could see the game!

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PR
9 years ago

Peter “The Pointer” Grant.

Raymobhoy
9 years ago

Had to laugh at the BBC Scottish Gossip on te website. The part from the Record about “Rangers defender Bilel Mohsni says Ally McCoist’s good grasp of the French language was a major factor in him deciding to join the Ibrox side”

Is that all they can come up with to big him up. I suppose they couldnt say it was because he was a good coach eh.

9 years ago
Reply to  Raymobhoy

Raymobhoy

Have you ever had a mouthfae a’ pies? Ye can speak wi’ tongues, man!!!!

H H

CarlJungleBhoy
9 years ago

Ray. That was a typo from the Daily Orcread. – They meant to say “Ally McCoist’s good grasp of the French letters”..

Thimbo
9 years ago

I think what they meant was “Ally McCoist’s good grasp of the French Fries”….

9 years ago

Ralph

I must begin by congratulating “skidbhoy”. That is better than all that was worth anything in Bob Monkhouse’s much pinched joke book. Copyright it son or it will be another one for Mick McIntyre to nick and repeat ad nosiam. Do you think the overall plan is to shuffle along and knock wee Lenny of the end? He has probably nailed his bum to that bench to make sure he isn’t shifted. Could be a good omen for our C.L. prospects when the other “ones of honour” attack us.

Regarding the medja. Did anyone see the story about Celtic maybe having to flit to Murrayfield (Presumably the one in Edinburgh and not Bearsden (or should that be Latchford’s den, Ralph NNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!) at the start of next season because of Commonwealth Games commitments at Parkhead? Generally, or probably outside Scotland, it was reported with headlines along the lines of Celtic Park not being available for the 2014 C.L. qualifiers. The Daily Mailstrome – Celtic Turfed Out for C.L. Qualifiers or words to that effect. What? Banished or something? I wonder if “Ibrox Boarded Up” would get me a fee. Naw, ’cause that’s probably too near the truth.

You know, I think that “Once Upon a Time” is a series that is dragging its feet now. It has become so confusing I don’t know who is doing what to who, when or where or how. It is so tangled I have become bored with the whole story. Not unlike another fairy tale that has gone on far too long but is getting into “boar(d)ing” just the same. Time to put on a new series. One with the same directors, of course. S..F..All will ignore the losses, find an exemption to give it an X certificate as it has zombies in it and help promote it and fast track a trailer run just to ensure the performances are sold out. Maybe 3D without the glasses will help the follow followers see everything as blurred as they seem to want it – sorry, actually demand it. Ignore the signs. What can possibly happen up a one way street the wrong way? Ach, good ……….luck to them – Haw, I’m religious.

My final word has to be on the great John Thomson. Johnny died 72 years ago today. I never saw him but to me he is a legend simply because of what I heard about him. I was privileged to know a man who did see him, my father. He said he was the greatest keeper he had ever seen. And my Da didn’t lie! So you had better believe it. From all reports he was an exceptionally fine young man too. But, as we remember the tragedy of Johnny’s death, I think it is equally important to remember the life of Sam English was decimated that same day. It is said he never recovered from the terrible experience and he, in a quirk f fate perhaps, died in April 1967 just weeks before Celtic’s greatest ever football triumph. R.I.P. to you both, Johnny and Sam.

Quiz: I knew it was Peter Latchford. He was always a “bear” faced poser. Not sure about no dingly danglers, mind.

Today’s is a right teaser. Ronnie Simpson after John Greig had a shot at goals.

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jon littledick
9 years ago

On a Glasgow subway in 1972, my friends and I spoke to a distraught, slightly inebriated lady. She told us she was Sam English’s daughter and that her father had never got over what happened that day. Consequently neither, it seemed, had she.

9 years ago
Reply to  jon littledick

If true, then very sad, jon.

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bondibrian
9 years ago

Some of the best days of my life were spent in the Jungle during the seventies.

gerrybhoy
9 years ago

Third rangers surly you mean Turd rangers

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