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Celtic Diary Monday May 23: Going Our Own Way ?

The final places on the list of the twenty six automatic qualifiers for the Champions League were filled over the weekend as league seasons finished all over Europe.


Milan won Serie A, and Manchester City won the pantomime that is the English Premiership.


That means the line up looks like this, as the teams are placed into pots according to co-efficients and tv audiences, with one from each pot forming a group…


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The only thing left to sort out is where Liverpool and Ajax end up. Liverpool need to beat Real Madrid to get into Pot 1, if they don’t Ajax are in.





Those in red are the seeded teams expected to qualify via the play offs, those in black already made it.


The draw is on august 25, and whilst Celtic could end up with Eintracht Frankfurt, Sevilla and Sporting Lisbon, it’s more likely to be Bayern, Barcelona, and Inter.


Or Real Madrid, Juventus and Leverkusen.


We know what’s more likely….



Doesn’t matter, we’ve earned the right to be there, so we might as well give it a shot.


Moravcik 67 , as ever, gives the definitive rundown on how it all works…


Pot 3 might look slightly different. If Benfica don’t qualify then a team will move up from Pot 4 – Rangers, if they qualify. Pot 4 might look very different, as that’s where most of the qualifiers will be. There aren’t enough of them to move us up, so Celtic will be Pot 4.


As you can see, the potential for our usual group of death is pretty high. I’m already envisaging some kind of Real Madrid, Liverpool, Inter Milan abomination. It would be nice to see the best players in the world at CP, but it’d also be nice not to get pumped 6 times.  


Money. Celtic will get €15.64M just for turning up. We also get a payment based on our 10 year coefficient. Based on the teams projected to qualify in the pictures in the 1st tweet, it’d be around €8M. But it depends on who qualifies. 


We’d get an extra ~€1.1M for each of Benfica and Olympiakos who fail to qualify. So it could go up to over €10M at best. But it could also drop ~€1.1M for each of Monaco, Dynamo Kyiv and PSV who qualify, although only 2 of them can 


Frankfurt winning the EL meant they overtook us in the 10 year ranking, costing €1.1M. But it prevented Rangers from qualifying automatically, which would have cost us ~€3.5M in the Market Pool. So fair enough. Of course if Rangers qualify we get hit with the double whammy 


If Copenhagen qualify then we’ll be above them in the 10 year rankings only on the basis of the bonus points we get for our win in Lisbon in 1967. That’s worth ~€1.1M to us. The Lions are still contributing to the club, more than 50 years on. 


As mentioned above, we also get money for the Scottish market pool. The amount has fallen recently. It’s probably worth ~€7M to Scotland. It’s all ours if Rangers don’t qualify. If they do qualify then we share it. It’s complex. Easier to say we’ll get 55%, they’ll get 45%. 



Finally, we get money for our performance – €2.8M per win, €930K per draw. It’s clearly much harder to win a game in the CL. But 1 CL win is worth more than 4 EL wins. To put it into perspective, we made about ~€2M from performance payments in this season’s EL groups.  




This is all before our usual revenue from tickets and sponsorship, etc. So, there’s a fair chunk of money coming our way. Hard to quantify it at present, but you’re probaly talking €25-32M before you even consider performance payments and ticket sales. 




Other scottish clubs. Rangers start in CL QR3, and will face one of Monaco, Midtjylland Sturm Graz, Royale Union SG, Fenerbahce or AEK Larnaca. In the playoff they could also meet Dynamo Kyiv or PSV, along with the above, depending on who makes it through. 




Hearts start in the EL Playoff. The draw for that is pretty weird these days. They could initially be drawn against Dynamo Kyiv, Midtjylland, Fenerbahce, AEK Larnaca (whichever of those are knocked out of CL QR2), or Partizan Belgrade or Slovacko. 




If not, they could then be drawn against a team knocked out of QR2 of the champions route of CL qualifying. So who the hell knows who they’ll get. It could be anyone from Dinamo Zagreb to Hibernians of Malta. Which would be kinda funny. Okay, maybe not. 




If they’re knocked out the PO, Hearts will drop into the conference groups. They have a chance of being Pot 3, but also might slip back into Pot 4 depending on who else qualifies alongside them. It’s a great chance for them, and they can earn some cash doing it. 


Motherwell start in QR2 of the Conference, and will be seeded. It really will be luck of the draw, as there is a mix of teams from places like Denmark, Sweden, Poland and Turkey, and another batch from places like San Marino, Malta, etc. 
If they make it through they’ll be joined in QR3 by Dundee Utd. Both will be unseeded, and could face the likes of Basel, the Prague teams, Young Boys, PAOK, AZ, Basaksehir, Anderlecht, Twente, etc. Depends on the draw, of course, but it’s a longshot to make the groups.  
A big test coming up for Scotland. We’ll start the season ranked 8th, with a 10pt gap up to 7th, and a smaller 4.9pt gap down to Belgium in 10th. Unfortunately, the further up the rankings we go, the harder it becomes to generate the points to maintain the position. 
We’ll play in fewer qualifiers again, next season. We get a fair few points from those usually. We all need to contribute, now more than ever. Particularly the 3 teams in the groups. And yeh, that includes Celtic. Unfortunately, that’s easier said than done in the CL.  
 From the figures above, there’s little doubt that UCL money is fundamental to any ambitions beyond maintaining the Old Firm brand that the club may have.
 On a recent podcast, we discussed the potential within Celtic for growth, which is surprisingly huge.
 We concluded the club was ripe for takeover, and with serious investment could increase turnover and profit quite significantly, something which was an alien concept to our board under Peter Lawwell’s somewhat conservative…or blinkered…outlook.
 Have things changed under Michael Nicholson ?
 Did the review carried out by Ross Desmond point out to his dad that Celtic is a sleeping giant that needed a few quid to wake it up ?
 If the likes of Lindsell Train were investing, did someone point out to Desmond that he was neglecting what was possibly a huge opportunity to invest in something that will pay dividends further down the line, and with him not getting any younger, have one or two people convinced him of another way forward ?
 One telling sign of which way the club is going will be the summer transfer window.
 If Celtic continue to build the team the way Ange Postecoglou wants it to go, we’re in for a hell of a ride.
 It is entirely possible there has been a road to Damascus moment in the boardroom, and if we see a few changes in there soon, that would be confirmation that the fiscal policy has changed a bit.
 Of course, it’s equally possible that none of the above bears any resemblance to reality and we’ll be back selling old form scarves by Christmas, but there are some encouraging signs.
 If Brendan Rodgers can be said to have left any legacy of any kind at Celtic , it is the realisation of the value of our players.
 Finally, we’re receiving the kind of fees that mirror the players that are leaving the club.
 From Tierney to Frimpong, from van Dijk to Dembele and several others, there’s a second lucrative line, equally as fraught with danger, but equally lucrative if managed correctly.
 Whilst we are fully aware that Ange Postecoglou is rebuilding the team after a little bit of neglect, is someone else rebuilding the club after a similar blaise approach to things ?
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 Or is this whole article just another excuse to post that strangely hypnotising gif ?
 On Friday, we had this….
 As Ryan Christie gears up for a crack at the Premiership, local Bournemouth schoolkids take appropriate action. 


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1 year ago

Searches for seeing the Rangers coming continue amass

1 year ago

Caption …
We’re on the top of the stairs looking down on the rangers

1 year ago

We are at the top of the stairs looking down on *the rangers*

1 year ago

After waking up from his latest bender Gazza realises his lager, chicken and fishing rod just won’t cut it. Should have got some bacardi he muttered.

Honest Hoops
1 year ago

Oh look…they finished behind us again…

1 year ago


Aaron Ramsey returns to Juventus.

Patrick O hara
1 year ago

Stairway to Heaven (otherwise known as entry to the CL)

1 year ago

Caption – And the Celtic Wives and Ghirlfriends look down on Sevco and the rest as they find their place, singing A-Ha, A-Ha, Aha Aha Aha! HH!

Mike Annis
1 year ago

Caption: The search for Boris’s children finally been resolved.

Tim Buffy
1 year ago

Caption. Knew we should have caught her on the way down.

1 year ago

Road to Damascus conversion in the board… aye !
EPL May well be a pantomime but an exceedingly rich one. Ajer waving to Christie passing each other.

Gerard F Reilly
1 year ago

How many qualifiers does the runners up have to play

The Cha
1 year ago

Hopefully just the 1. 😉

1 year ago
Reply to  The Cha

Pure class,Cha!

Kevin James
1 year ago

Stuart Cosgrove walking in to work this morning

Andrew Coyle
1 year ago

Caption,The Leigh Griffiths supporters club wait in line

Woof Charlie
1 year ago

Caption: As a constipated Boris Johnson awaits an enema an orderly queue of NHS nurse volunteers assembles.

Woof Charlie
1 year ago

Good grief those possible CL groups are sobering. Hate to keep on about Starfelt as he is on the wrong side for a right footer but we will get roasted if he keeps giving the ball away in the CL.

1 year ago

Lesbian convention all sign up for ETims blog and are in total agreement with Ralph, that GIF is strangely hypnotising.

Woof Charlie
1 year ago

Caption: Having established Williamina’s fiance wasn’t a kaflik lesbian their Kirk wedding went without a hitch.

Dziekanowski's nightclub child
1 year ago

Caption: In Liquidation rangers looking at the creditors it stuffed from its grave.

Great Suprendo
1 year ago

The other 41 Scottish clubs look on with baited breath as pretendy-rangers finally sign the cinch deal

Hoop hoop hooray
1 year ago

Hey there you with the sad face come up to our place and live it up

1 year ago

A picture of an adolescent’s dream?

1 year ago

I see the 1st case of monkey-pox has been found in Scotland.
Boomerang pox?
It surely began its global “journey” at Ibrox stadium or from one of the lodges where they have a long history of abusing innocent ‘animals’.
Oh, the irony!

The Cha
1 year ago

Caption “The medic team, that’s treated Ramsey at Rangers, turn out for his goodbye”

Woof Charlie
1 year ago

Caption: In the bedroom of his parent’s house a middle aged weethumbsdooner dreams of all the women who would love him, make his meals and wash his clothes, and say “weethumbsdooner how can you be so right without ever saying anything?” and suddenly Ange arrives and “says what size of boots are you mate Kyogo got injured in the warm up?” But tragedy strikes as his alarm goes off because it’s signing on day. Oh well they have wagon wheels at the men’s shed on Tuesdays. “Mum bring me my breakfast!” shouts weethumbsdooner. And he plots and he plans his revenge on an ungrateful world.

Salad queen
1 year ago

Tomorrow is our 55
In the heat of Lisbon
They came in there thousands
Sixty- seven.

1 year ago

Caption:- that photy’d gie ye a stair heid

1 year ago

goodness me yon zombies hav goat bassey as a superstar a say ange should let oor jamsie bring the lumpa wid doon wae a severe shotat reality first chance next season heh heh aint zombies dumd

1 year ago
Reply to  charlie

b in case any huns ar lookin in a dont mean yoos he heh

1 year ago

A hun goes tae a doctor and complains ae ‘angry bottom’.
Doctor ‘has a look’ and says “you need to take suppositories for a week and then be re-assessed”. Hun says “whit ur they and whit dae they dae, and how dae ah use them”? Doctor says “just put one in your back passage daily”.
Hun thinks, how TF can that help, as he envisions the back passage that goes along his 4-in-a-block hoose. He ‘faithfully’ does it anyway.
After a week he sees the doctor again. Doc says “so how are you now?”
Hun says ” for a’ the good they done, ah might as well have stuck them up ma arze”.

1 year ago
Reply to  TicToc

ha ha good yin ic toc hows tricks mate

1 year ago
Reply to  charlie

Aye charlie, no’ bad, no’ great. That’s why ye HUVTAE laugh. Whit IS great is tae see you on here more often. Me an her are gettin’ tae know hospital staff too well, but we’ve been lucky most of our lives and are still now. Anyway as a life-long supporter of CHAMPIONS Celtic FC, and the ‘season’ being over, I jump to political funnies.
This is a true, and reasonable, pic of UKIP’s major clown leaving an aircraft:

1 year ago

Good night one and all. I’ve a wee chance tae see an auld pal a mine who’s in Glasgow just now, but not for long. My wife needs to sort out a coupla things tomorrow (naw, it’s now today) and then, hopefully, we’re off ‘up the road’ to the Capital of the World, my home town.
Hail! Hail! The Glasgow Celtic………..CHAMPIONS and rightfully straight into the group stages of the CL. Yet ANOTHER great day to be a TIM.

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