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Celtic Diary Monday September 20: They Promised Us A Miracle

When Celtic are good, they’re very , very good.

 

But when they are bad,

 

 

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Yesterday was one of those days, as Celtic crashed to Livingston at the Macaroni stadium, their third away defeat in the league in three games.

 

There’s a pattern emerging, and under ange Postecoglou, Celtic have just a solitary away victory for their efforts.

 

 

Defeats to Midyjjtlland, Hearts, AZ, “rangers ” and Real Betis might have been expected, maybe even excused, and there’s even a part excuse with the artificial pitch at Livingston, but reallistically, thats a  game that should have been won.

 

Although Celtic didn’t win there last year either, and although I haven’t checked, it might actually be that the last time Celtic beat them they were called Forres Mechanics.

 

In fact, Celtic haven’t won anywhere in the league since February, and thats a cause for concern.

 

And Postecoglou wasn’t here then.

 

 

There’s a second , worrying , trend as well.

 

 

Against Betis , Celtic conceded goals in quick succession, not for the first time in Europe. In fact, over the last few years, Celtic have conceded two goals in quick succession quite a lot.

 

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It’s the 3rd time we’ve thrown away a two goal lead in Europe in 12 months. And we’re masters at losing goals in batches Betis – 2 goals in 3 minutes Milan – 2 in 2m Lille – 2 in 8m Copenhagen – 2 in 3m Leipzig – 2 in 4m Astana – 2 in 2m PSG – 2 in 5m, then 3 in 5m

 

 

Now that may be because opposition coaches have noted a vulnerability, and instead of sitting back to consolidate after scoring, they have noticed a weakness that they play on, and as you can see, it usually works, and therefore opposition confidence increases, whilst our lot stare at their feet and wonder what went wrong.

 

 

Again, it’s worth noting though that Postecoglou has only done it once.

 

 

 

However, there is a common denominator in the two issues.

 

 

The backroom staff, especially Kennedy, have been present throughout this shambles, and one wonders if it’s time to cut the cord.

 

 

 

A manager’s job is lonely at the best of times, in any profession, and they all need people around them that they can trust, that they can bounce ideas off, and importantly, have their back.

 

 

Postecoglou doesn’t have that, yet bizarrely, as these patterns become habits, he seems to be adopting a style that is alien to him, almost as though the angeball theory is beginning to be eroded.

 

 

Yesterday , the team looked like the team of last year.

 

 

Disjointed, uninterested and hesitant.

 

Their confidence has clearly been battered recently, and doubts about the new manager may well be creeping in.

 

 

 

This is where Postecoglou needs people around him, and the situation worsened when Dom McKay walked a couple of weeks ago.

 

 

They’d been working together closely, and appeared to have done so well.

 

 

Now he’s beginning to look a lonely figure, hesitant and unsure at trackside in his own capability, and yet when it works, we’ve seen how good it is.

 

 

 

Where has the doubt come from suddenly ?

 

 

 

Although the club were quick to deny any involvement from Peter Lawwell in the resignation of Dom McKay, and that may well be true, there is a feeling that our conservative board may not have taken to the new broom sweeping through quite so readily.

 

 

The rumour mill was alive with stories that a furious Desmond would remove other board members as well, but unsurprisingly, thats all gone rather quiet…as though they’ve paid lip service to the fans and simply got on with their usual business away from the spotlight.

 

 

 

Don’t underestimate their desire to hang on to their jobs at Celtic, and don’t be surprised if they are perhaps betting that Postecoglou won’t walk as well because failure at Celtic would confirm to his own doubters that Australians can;t cut it in European management.

 

 

That will be on the managers mind, of that there can be little doubt.

 

 

 

Postecoglou has won the hearts and minds of the fans, for the moment, and although one or two are having doubts, there is still a feeling that he can build something special.

 

 

We’ve seen enough to show us that he knows what he’s doing, and knows how to do it.

 

 

We accept that he’s without several key players, and that is unfortunate, and he’ll just have to make do and mend.

 

 

 

Yet no one seems to wonder why we have so many injuries at the same time.

 

 

 

Is it a result of the extra training ? The more intense style of play ? Inevitably that will lead to players becoming a little more vulnerable to knocks and strains at first, but it will also lead to doubts in his methods.

 

 

 

We saw that when Ronny Deila came in and dragged the sports science department into the 21st century, and when it was promptly dragged out again by the pie and pint culture under the last manager, there was always going to be work to be done on it’s return.

 

 

It’s not just players and playing style that needed change, it’s the entire culture of the team that had to be addressed.

 

 

All of which takes time, and he’ll get that time. to an extent.

 

 

But already the headlines proclaim his honeymoon period is over, and the little cracks of doubt begin to widen as “experts ” pull apart each defeat, every minute of every game examined for signs of problems that probably aren’t even there, all of which undermines confidence in the manager.

 

 

 

Which is why he should do what he’s paid to do.

 

 

Manage the situation, and although there is a possibility that McKay walked because he was refused control of his own environment, thats an entirely different environment from that of the manager.

 

 

Jock Stein once said the secret of player management was to keep the half dozen who hated you away from the half dozen who weren’t sure.

 

That way, you got a sort of unity as there were only two factions in the squad.

 

 

He also had the advantage of a strong and loyal backroom staff who were trusted not only by him, but by the players.

 

 

If ange does nothing else this week except go to the board and demand his own staff, then it will be a giant leap forward in his schedule.

 

 

Apart from having a former manager in Gordon Strachan looking over your shoulder doing a review, there’s a couple of his kids on the staff who Ange will never truly be able to feel are his own men.

 

 

The perception of a climate of mistrust is overwhelming, even if they all get along just dandy and have tea at each others houses after training.

 

When he arrived on these shores, Postecoglou made it clear that everyone started with a clean slate, which backfired spectacularly when Leigh Griffiths let him down.

 

One wonders if anyone said I told you so, given that Griffiths , er, problems always seem to get the better of him.

 

 

He was shipped out to Dundee, coincidentally where Gordon Strachan also works as a sort of consultant.

 

 

Olivier Ntcham said he wanted to stay and fight for a place in the team, and almost immediately decided it wasn’t worth the effort.

 

 

Maybe persevering with Edouard and Christie in the hope they might change their minds and stay wasn’t the cleverest thing to do, as it caused a wee bit of unrest in the dressing room among players who knew that despite whatever smoke they were blowing up the managers arse, thats all it was.

 

Smoke.

 

 

Post window, we’re left with a squad thats yet to gel, and the pressure to get results means that everyone seems to be trying too hard and forgetting the basics that have been installed in shape and style as the manager tries to eliminate the bad habits of last season with the free flowing style he wants us to play.

 

 

Keep the faith may be a cliche, but it applies to the manager more than anyone else at the moment.

 

 

If he doesn’t trust himself, it won’t be long before no one else does.

 

 

He has a style and a philosophy that works, and quite a few players willing to believe in that.

 

 

But he needs people around him who believe in it, and in him.

 

 

Has he got that ?

 

 

 

 

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Monti
2 months ago

The honeymoon period for Ange Postecoglou is over, he has had all the goodwill, support & encouragement that any manager may need, but his results away from home are not good enough.

The decision to play Boli is a huge error, why not just play young Monty at left back ( because he’s erm, a left back ) or play Juranovic at left back & Ralston at right back, like he did at ibrox?
McCarthy looks slower than Rogic, which takes some doing btw.

I sense a Mowbray moment coming for Postecoglou, he seems to be reluctant to make game changing substitutions or maybe he just can’t, we will find out soon enough.

When all is said though, the trouble at Celtic starts in that boardroom, they are holding this club back now, they need to be ousted.

Don’t believe me……just ask Brendan Rodgers & Dom McKay.

Ange? the clock is ticking.

Beau Nidle
2 months ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti, can’t disagree with what you say here decision to play Boli yesterday was unbelievable Scales has been playing more recently and apparently likes a physical game so should be suited to yesterday although apparently he is not ready yet, strange comment from Ange tbh.

But genuine question what game changing substitutions could he have made yesterday given the choices available from the bench some of whom seem only to be there to fill the spaces. Surely Giakoumakis should have been there and hopefully able to make a cameo appearance if required

Paddybhoy67
2 months ago
Reply to  Beau Nidle

I thought Soro ( aye, him) was lively when he came on – but maybe it was just in comparison with McCarthy. And Boli was alright. But the starting midfield was light and slow.

Funkyy
2 months ago
Reply to  Beau Nidle

Boli still carries the stain of his Cvid escapade from last season. However, IF we had done the 10 last season I think people would be a little less rigid in their judgement of him being on the pitch yesterday. Putting last season to one side , he played well…better than a good few of them. He put in a few long defense cutting passes that Celtic players failed to make the most of and turn into goals…if they had and we had won by 3 or 4 goals I think he would have got a bit of credit…as it is the stain from last season seems to be unwashable.
I for one am never gonna wish bad on any player on the pitch wearing the hoops. If Ange felt he was good enough/deserved to be on the pitch, that’s good enough for me.
We were rank rotten yesterday and the manager will know that and get it fixed. KTF

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Funkyy

He went to Spain for a night and was scapegoated by the media to undermine the squad, club and title bid.

The rich cvnts in government etc still fly all over the word daily, why don’t they get banned and ostracised from society?

The Boli story was hysterical bullshit and I can’t believe any good Tim would fall for it without seeing it for what it was.

Mcklintop
2 months ago

Honeymoon period is well and truly over. The mood among the fans is turning ugly and that’s just my own family. Worst ever and worse than last year two of the favourite comments. Personally I don’t think it’s that bad but something is definitely rotten behind the scenes. Hugh Keevins actually stopped drinking soup long enough to say something I agreed with. Ange said Liam Scales wasn’t ready, yet this is a guy who played through the european qualifiers with Shamrock Rovers and got called up to the Ireland squad, yet he’s not ready to play for us? Hmm something smells.

McCarthy I hate to say it has all the hallmarks of being this years Shane Duffy looks yards off the pace. Turnbull the current mystery wrapped in an enigma. Where does he go to in games, the invisible man has more presence. And where the fook is Giakoumakis? He’s not even fit to make the bench? He would probably still be better than Ajeti. I honestly believe he is dragging the rest of the team down, no effort, not interested. The midfield have no one to look for when they eventually lift their heads. He’s happy just to stroll around giving the minimum. Get Ajeti tae fook right now.

October is already looking like make or break, consecutive trips to Pittodrie and Fir park. We already can’t afford any more slip ups.

And can I just say I hate Livingston, horrible team, horrible pitch and especially horrible manager. As fit and proper to be involved with a football club as Dave King. Oh that explains that then.

Monti
2 months ago
Reply to  Mcklintop

Mcklintop,
I agree with almost all of this apart from the bit about Ajeti, i think Ajeti is a very useful player who needs games & confidence.
You are right about the behind the scenes stuff tho, Dom McKay has been forced out the club by the very people who hold this club back.
The fans are back in this season & we need to deliver a strong message to this board, we are not accepting second best, it’s that simple.

Mcklintop
2 months ago
Reply to  Monti

I hope you are right Monti. He can have all the ability in the world but if he doesn’t want to work hard it counts for nothing. I don’t see that from him.

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Desi Mond(@desi)
2 months ago
Reply to  Mcklintop

I thought Ajeti tried very hard yesterday. Wasnt his fault Ange had one tactic of get it to wide men to do nothing with it whilst our Midfield ballerinas Rogic and Turnbull did nothing bar take in some sunshine.

Friesdorfer
2 months ago
Reply to  Mcklintop

Disagree re Ajeti. Thought he had a decent game yesterday, holding the ball up well and lively in the 6 yard area. Could do more of that mind

Monti
2 months ago

Question to Peter Lawwell: When it comes to Celtic travelling along to play Livingston, apart from the Celtic support, can you tell me one thing about our performances at this ground that indicate ” we aim to be world class in everything we do “?

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Monti

I wonder if Ange trained the team on astroturf before the game. It’s a perennial bugbear

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

If this keeps up the ‘Scottish sports media’ will start suggesting their gangster coach for Manager Of The Year again …

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

If this keeps up what passes for the Scottish ‘sports media’ will soon be touting Martindale for Manager Of The Year again.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Monti

I think Peter meant ‘Sevco class in everything we do’, Monti, as that’s clearly been their barometer since Seville, an event which mortified Lawwell so much that he’s still bleating about that last great Celtic achievement yet.

Celtic gained more international recognition in that one season than we’d had in decades, and with an exceptional team at that, and all he’s done is whine about how much it cost ever since.

Odd that he never complains about Rangers cheating their way to our Champions League spot in 2011 or the potential 30 million loss to the PLC, nor all the other Hun methods of conning us out of leagues, cups and other titles by fielding whole teams of ineligible players.

Nor the fact that the Operating Expenses have revised almost exponentially since Dermot’s mob snuck in so that they’ve already well surpassed the one billion quid mark in their 20 odd year rule …

Even more odd again that Dermot has let Peter oversee such an astronomical rise in running costs for in any other company such an inability to reign such overwhelming expenses would lead to mass sackings across the board …

But not at Celtic …

And no one understands why, when the answer is staring all of us straight in the face …

They are fvckin at it.

The Green Machine
2 months ago

Aye.

They fvckin are.

You’re just too thick to see it.

Monti
2 months ago

Correct

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Monti

Cheers, Monti.

I knew you’d cop on eventually.

John E Mitchell
2 months ago

Kennedy? “Time to cut the cord…” When he was born, the midwife cut the cord, threw away the baby and kept the afterbirth. Must have been the same midwife who delivered Strachan.
Useless, parasitic pair of bastards.

The Green Machine
2 months ago

Well, Kennedy has been very i self up as a spy for Lawwell and Strachan as a spy for Dermot, proving that even the most inept around have a place, so long as it’s grassing on yer mates …

It’s an Masonic trick, it’s worked for them for centuries.

Gerard Reilly
2 months ago

Buck stops at the applicant who accepts the post , albeit accepting from the most inept board in Celtic history, he or she must lay down their criteria 200% to whatever the loony board are in place ( basically Dermot Desmonde )..the big chap unfortunately didn.t DO THAT , as we.re discovering the tin pot board hired a few of this season’s recruits seemingly unknown to Angie ? ..I.m saying the honeymoon IS over , he either gets his OWN backroom staff in place asap and controls recruitment or wave goodbye
.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Gerard Reilly

Agreed, Ange was compromised since the moment he accepted The iPad Brothers.

Our defence has been utter shite since dour faced cvnt Kennedy took charge and any genuinely professional club would have sacked him years ago.

Same goes for Lawwell, Bankier and all the rest of the board for being wholly unable to cut the running costs to suit their income.

Incredible that no one sees that the only reason our billionaire absentee landlord allows such a fiasco to continue is cos he has them playing yon screechy whiny instrument favoured by Nero as Rome burned …

The Green Machine
2 months ago

Alright, Useless?

You nothing better to do than Dislike my comments and Rest In Peace messages to Turnbull Hutton?

Stephen Murray
2 months ago

I’m still on the Ange bus and will be for the foreseeable , feel we haven’t had an ounce of luck with injuries , key players CALMAC, wee Jamesy and Kyogo would be starts in any team . New players and Ange are finding their feet together and in this league, his next transfer window in Jan will be pivotal, expect key players to be back before and performances and results will naturally improve .. Our prime opposition are having their off days which helps. Ange needs his own backroom when the going gets tough and doubts set in he needs trusted sounding boards , not blank walls which I feel with JK and Strachan he may have .. A big deal was made of analytics and fitness coach needs , where are they ? This board room shambles doesn’t help either , their focus needs to be on supporting the manager not thinking of ways to heap blame on the departed McKay

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Murray

Their sole focus is on skimming the cash the support keeps giving them.

Thats all they’ve ever cared about and I’m not surprised Dom McKay told them where to stick their poxy job.

Imagine a professional businessman ever having to answer to that wee auld wumman Bankier, ffs, wae a face like that telling ye what to do ye’d end up in the jail for life.

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Desi Mond(@desi)
2 months ago

Good points there Ralph and just so many questions from yesterday.

How many changes were enforced and how many were Ange and Mgmt Team being clever?

How bad is Covid situation at Celtic?

How can Bolingoli get in that team especially before Montgomery or Ralston?

Does Ange just go “Get the ball to the new guy!” tactics as Abada, Kyogo and Jota seems to highlight that so far.

When do we concede that Turnbull AND Rogic is a luxury we cant afford away from home?

In what world is Nir Bitton the answer to any question when your 1 nil down and running on empty?

How can that Board sit there and dare show their face seeing not One striker on the bench.

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Desi Mond

Yeah well Lennon left us in this state, unfortunately Kyogo is out. Griffiths was never in and the Greek isn’t fit. Surely a place in the bench for him? No? Ten minutes or so to get on to one of the crosses flying in? New guys are flighty and not really bulked up like Forrest for the rigours of playing against Livingstone. Shinnie is a handy player and could be doing a lot better than livi. The game consisted of getting the ball back frequently putting it to the wingers when going through the middle at times was the better option. Turnbull & Rogic are shot shy. One shot in target that the goalie couldn’t hold for ajeti to pounce on seemed the only way through. Bob Marley at the back for them could’ve had a joint in his mouth with the lack of prowess Celtic showed

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

I remember steins method against playing against packed defenders. Lay it back and have a shot ala tommy gemmell. Feck I know the games changed a bit but to do the same thing for ninety minutes played into their hands. McCarthy was out of breath and was passing it out of the ground. Soro added something but too late. I like the look of vickers he has a good engine. Cheer up the Huns drew on flag day and scored an offside goal. We are not that far behind. There never was a honeymoon it was more of a wrecked marriage

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Good points well put, Ian, nice one.

codmat
2 months ago

“…the last time Celtic beat them they were called Forres Mechanics.”

Nice try Ralph but they were known as Ferranti Thistle back then, not Forres,

Vincent Kirk
2 months ago
Reply to  codmat

Well spotted. I also spotted a lot of other nonsense in the article.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Kirk

Nonsense is the inevitable result of relying on pish stained sources.

DJ Smyth
2 months ago
Reply to  codmat

On E-Tim’s we are never happy , after putting in a damn good shift on Thursday , Livingston was the last place we wanted to play . The players decided as a team if they played at about 75% of the pace and effort they might win but they were less likely to pick up injuries . They didn’t appear to pick up injuries & they never looked like scoring . Our most dangerous attacking ball is the one in behind full back & winger cutting in with it . It didn’t really happen yesterday.
As far as I know , we haven’t been given a reason for Dom leaving . The SMSM has given us many reasons , most likely all made up.
I cannot understand why Kennedy has to go . He has been one of the most successful coaches in UK , coaching at club which has won more than 10 league titles, several cups including quadruple treble .
Many blame Board for keeping players a season too long , but surely if the Board had let them go summer 2020, the fans would have went mad , breaking up team destroying the 10 in a row .

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  DJ Smyth

Of you don’t know why Kennedy has to go you know nothing about football.

No offence intended, it’s just a fact.

Check our goals concession in short sharp bursts in all the years he’s been our so called defence coach …

DJ Smyth
2 months ago

John Kennedy has been a coach at Celtic for many,many years but he has never been employed as a defensive coach

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  DJ Smyth

What the fvck does he do then?

And who IS the defence coach if not the old defender?

Cartvale88
2 months ago

A disjointed performance yesterday, Ange looks isolated and lost. Totally agree about the back room staff are they trying to get him out. He turned up expecting a game of football, a yellow card within fifteen seconds showed their intent. Boli playing why? McCarthy looks as if his best days are gone, the team looked weak. Instead of dominating and attacking they reverted to knock the ball about. It’s amazing to think how much we miss the drive of Forrest, also Calmac sorely missed. At times yesterday I was watching last season, wish JPK and Laptop man were replaced as they must have some input, Ange should be his own man, he was deflated at the interview.

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

Rogic and Turnbull had shooting opportunities they passed off or when they did shoot it was at the wrong time. I thought bickers looked good and boil wasn’t the worst out there. McCarthy played pretty badly and his face was bright red from exhaustion. Not his style at all. Ajeti did try but if you’re playing the ball down the wings you need the big Greek in there to battle with the Rastafarian and win balls. They defended stoutly and tried like fuck. The one goal that may have opened the floodgates never came. Collectively bad bolingoli being scapegoated here. Montgomery is ok. But no better than boli, who showed a bit of skill and did his job getting the ball to the wingers

henkesdreadlocks
2 months ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

McCarthy’s best days were gone in 2016. 4 year contract……. dearie me.

The Green Machine
2 months ago

Yup.

‘Good Celtic man’ though …

Just like the two Keanes …

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

I don’t get this back room team being highlighted gated when we lose. Game plan didn’t work. Starfelt dropped.? He’s better than welsh and boli is atm better than Montgomery. Bickers was excellent throughout and was the only one putting in the effort needed

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Vickers

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Yep, Welsh is good but Starfelt is better, the few moments here & there aside.

His experience shows, he just needs to work on his concentration more.

And Boli’s a trier at least but the defence is still shambolic and the only man we can blame for that is our alleged ‘defence coach’, John Kennedy.

In any other job he’d have been ousted within the year, unless he was just a clipe there tae.

DJ Smyth
2 months ago

It is totally wrong to continue to make the same mistake . KENNEDY IS NOT OUR DEFENSIVE COACH

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  DJ Smyth

Who is then?

Who?

DJ Smyth
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Starfield wasn’t dropped ,he was sick on Saturday and Ange thought it better to play Welsh instead of a sick centre half

James
2 months ago

The problem at Celtic will always be there because the real problem is fans who are blindly devoted to pouring money into the club especially whilst those that take their money are greedy, Tory shysters, here’s a revolutionary idea, stay away from the club and it’s merchandise for a few years and see who running the club has it to their hearts, Celtic is the only organisation I know that rewards failure,I for one am sick of the club now because it just keeps being run by arseholes who have no ambition for the club.

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  James

Well quadruple trebles is rewarding failure now. If you’re talking about Europe then the quality of our league makes it nigh in impossible to be further on than where we are. I’m not a supporter of Tories. I will however question our foothold being lost from a superior position financially than ‘rangers’ I put that down to nepotism and fvck Ed up signing policies. They beat us at monopoly. They bought park lane and we bought Marleybone station and Kent rd with our money. They put a better management team in place than we did and stood by them. They worked us out fvck Gerard worked Rodgers out and working Lennon out
was shooting fish in a barrel. I think postecoglu is cannier than Gerrard. He will put it right. Strachan and Rodgers had shakey starts. Imagine what postecoglu could do with Armstrong dembele Sinclair and others.

The Cha
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Rodgers won an Invincible Treble and qualified for the Champions League in his first season.

Oh for such a shaky start.

And can we leave out the nonsense about Slippy having his number. He won 1 game and we administered regular drubbings to them.

He ran away from Slippy to compete against the infinitely inferior talents of Pep, Klopp, Poc, Ancelotti etc. I doubt there’s any EPL clubs that would want him and not many ECL.

Gie’s peace.

Iancelt67
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

7-0 Barcelona. Red imps. Gerrard had his number at the end. 50 k for Kamara. 3 mil for bayo and 5 for ajeti.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Gerrard’s a shite manager, they didn’t win the league last season, the Celtic board, Neil Lennon and the refs handed it to them on a plate, the amount of narrow 1-0 ‘victories’ was a joke, and thye were only team in Britain, maybe even Europe, not have had either a penalty awarded against them and no red cards until the title was secured.

It’s about time everyone accepts that thanks to the terms of the secret 5 Way Agreement that governs Scottish fitba the game has been clandestinely rigged in both Celtic & Sevco’s favour.

But it was ever thus.

People, and not only Ra Peepil, now seem more than happy to queue up to pay over a grand a year to watch a rigged game so what’s the point even trying to tell them?

If they’re happy to finance Dermot Desmond’s international spy network DAON established to kidnap, torture and murder poor Palestinians then who are we to interfere ..?

Eh ..?

DJ Smyth
2 months ago
Reply to  James

James you do right some Bollocks . You write Celtic is the only Organisation that you know that rewards failure . Nine SPL titles in a row and a quadruple treble doesn’t represent failure to many football fans . Image how the other football clubs feel only I SPL title in last 10 & quadruple treble won in last 5 years . With that level of failure many will stick with it

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  DJ Smyth

The whole QT & second 9 was part of the 5WA.

They’ve been conning us forever.

sfa unfit for purpose
2 months ago

A bit heavy on the doom and gloom Ralph.

We played without our best defender

Without our best attacker

And without our best midfielder.

On a plastic pitch

After a hard shift in Spain midweek.

A poor result

And a poor performance

But any suggestion Ange is losing his way is a terrible over reaction.

BroxburnBhoy
2 months ago

No – surely hysteria is in order ?

The Green Machine
2 months ago

Kenny Dalglish lost his job for three losses in a row.

DJ Smyth
2 months ago

SFA not fit for purpose .
Our fans are helping the SMSM to ridicule our club . People who claim to be Celtic supporters, are finding new people & new parts of club to ridicule

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  DJ Smyth

Well, the club’s working methods are utterly ridiculous so they deserve ridicule.

Delbhoy
2 months ago

For me the most frustrating things about yesterday were 1 the amount of passes we played which inevitably involved a few back to go forwards time and time again allowed them to get back in numbers and into there shape . We could have got there with 2 passes instead of 7! And 2 why did we spend the entire match ala Gordon Strachan Neil lennon trying to get the ball wide so we could let the livingstone defence practice heading . Ange stood watching this and refused to change

Friesdorfer
2 months ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

How do we know that Ange refused to change? Maybe the players on the day couldn’t change, either through lack of capability, or just playing crap.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Friesdorfer

Dom’s walking has rocked the whole club.

The players, and Ange more than most, are starting to realise exactly what kind of scumbags they’re working for.

The Green Machine
2 months ago

You disagree, Useless?

Put it in words.

If you can …

Funkyy
2 months ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

Exactly Delbhoy!! “…allowed them to get back in numbers and into there shape”
It was like Deja Vu from last season…pretty passes from side to side right up to the opposition penalty box, then pretty passes all the way back to the half-way line (or further back!!). It doesn’t take a genius opposition coach to work out how to play against us…..”Just sit in tight lads until one of their pretty passes goes astray or is intercepted and then hit them on the break”

San Miguel
2 months ago

The question to be is asked is

Is Angeball really just Kyogoball ?

Needs to win the next 3 league games or else the “experiment” will mean “expirement”.

One thing I do know – Bitton should be put in a cannon and fired at the moon , every time I see him in Celtic Shirt my blood boils- epitome of a wage thief and “hinger on”

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  San Miguel

I’ve no idea why he’s still there unless he’s doing some spy work for the IDF.

🙂

BJF
2 months ago

Apart from 7 or 8 League titles and a few cups and the odd run in Europe what exactly have Neil Lennon and Gordon Strachan ever achieved at Celtic, I mean I could probably do that.
I hope it works out for McCarthy, some people
who have had Covid seem to struggle for a while afterwards.surprised at the faith in Soro, he was poor against Betis, should have been substituted after his yellow, too many of those.
I wonder why managers think doing well in training is a good indicator of whether a player should be picked. Boli trained well Scales and the Greek didn’t, maybe Ange should just toss a coin. Neither of our wide players really impressed, did Ajeti get decent service?

Monti
2 months ago
Reply to  BJF

Roads….irrigation……

The Cha
2 months ago
Reply to  BJF

The problem with Strachan and Lennon was their time was over long before they were called on.

Most fans knew that but the complacency at the CE and Board level enabled them to continue to inevitable failure.

The Waistcoat had Strachan’s number, who handed in his notice, but due to the Huns effing it up we won the league.

It was obvious what would happen with a level playing field but Strachan decides to stay on, the board don’t call time (“you can’t sack him he’s won 3IAR” etc) and the inevitable happens.

Similar with appointing Lennon second time round, when he was unemployment and had a very poor track record post his first stint.

It was again relying on previous performance, which had little, if any, relevance to the job in hand.

A good CE and Board will anticipate when things are going to fail and act ruthlessly for the best without any sentiment for the past.

As we know that’s not a description that can be honestly applied at Celtic.

BJF
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

I do like managers who win lots of trophies though.
But the trick is recognising when a manager or a player’s time is up, maybe before they can recognise it. I think with Kyogo, Cal Mac and Julien back Ange will move it up a gear, he needs to away from home at least.

The Cha
2 months ago
Reply to  BJF

Broadly agree but I consider it an essential competence for the CE (or DoF) job and not a trick.

Kyogo and Calmac are vital and we haste them back but the former has played a lot of football this season and presumably with more International breaks, he’ll need more downtime this season.

Its important that we have a workable backup plan when that happens and hopefully GG can get up to speed shortly, although as he’s behind McCarthy in fitness then that’s not too promising.

Ralph seems to be convinced that Julien is for the off therefore we need to quickly settle on our CBs. CCV has looked the best but Welsh apparently was poor yesterday but the manager needs to pick between him and Starfelt and stick with it until it settles.

The same goes for the ever changing FBs.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

The only permanents at Celtic are Desmond, the Board, John Kennedy & Nir Bitton.

Cvnts Ah wouldnae invite round to help put out a house fire as the former would nick all yer stuff while Bitton would just hang about watching …

Yoker Bhoy
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

We’ve obviously been missing Calmac’s presence but even with him back in the side our midfield is far too lightweight with not nearly enough ground being covered, It might be okay to include two ‘flair players’ (Turnbull and Rogic) for home games against lightweight opposition but we’d be in serious danger of getting over-run by better sides, especially in Europe. We’re badly in need of a Vic Wanyama or even a Stuart Armstrong type to add a bit of steel, close down space quickly and impose themselves on the games. Scott Robertson (currently on loan at Crewe) is a cracking young player and could fill that void in the future but someone in that mould should be top of our wish list for the January window.

tom campbell
2 months ago
Reply to  BJF

Right, agreed it was a bad day at Almondvale but it could have been worse: ‘Rangers’ and Hearts both dropped two points, as did Motherwell and His dropped three as well.
Einstein’s theory of Relativity seems at work here: if Shinnie’s goal had been scored by a Celtic player, we would have been praising it… We would not be complaining that a defender was out of position, or could have challenged him more strongly.

If Bolingoli was picked to start, then he must have been showing something in training, perhaps a willingness to work hard and impress the new manager. I thought he was one of our successes at Livingstone. Also, it was good to see Mickie Johnston back and making some effort to take on defenders.

The time to evaluate properly will be after 12 games rather than 6.

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

Honesty is no longer a word that can be applied at Celtic.

Una
2 months ago

Chorizo

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  Una

Chunky chicken

The Green Machine
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

Reply for you on the other thread, ChaCha G’’L’Amour …

The Cha
2 months ago

Some great comments on yesterday’s game and the state of play with the club.

I can’t really comment on yesterday as “watched” on a poor stream that froze every minute or so and then restarted behind or ahead so ruined concentration.

In fact at one stage I saw the “useless” Soro play a wonderful through the middle ball to the “Abominable” Ajeti on the edge of the box, who did a smart turn and shot requiring the keeper to make a good save.

Obviously it didn’t happen but how the broken stream managed to mangle all of that together was quite impressive. 😉

With regard to the state of the club, we need to get away from the complacency of making excuses (early in season, players missing, new players bedding in, Kennedy and Strachan to blame etc).

These were trotted out early last season and ignores genuine problems that need resolving not excusing.

Hell last season minus our Covidiots our kids managed a draw at Livi.

Missing key players might explain losing in Betis (but not deplorable defensive deficiencies) but cannot be used to excuse yesterday’s Livi-livered loss.

If we can’t do that then I can’t see that we can win the league, as injuries are inevitable, so we’ll have more displays and probably losses like this, if we don’t strive to do better than simply make excuses.

That was Ange’s 14th competitive game (7-1-6) so its legitimate to say it’s not been great and to start asking questions without the complacent acceptance or total condemnations, sackings etc.

As far as I can see, the only big game we’ve won is the home game against AZ and allied to our abysmal away form is worrisome to say the least.

There doesn’t appear to be any incremental learning from last season eg Ibrox (“played well, unlucky, couldn’t stick the ball in the net” etc but still lost exactly as it was for all but 1 or 2 games last season) and Betis (lost 2 goals in 3m and 2 in 4m (4 in 20m!)), been there, done that and passed on the T-shirt.

I’m still hopefully of major improvements but less so on winning back the league and there needs to be sustained concrete improvements and not more hope/expectations of “jam tomorrow”.

henkesdreadlocks
2 months ago
Reply to  The Cha

Read Wankier’s ‘state of the nation’ address this morning and any optimism I had, even if we manage to still be in contention come the January transfer window, has now shrivelled up and died. Our club is fvcked with these people in charge.

The Green Machine
2 months ago

I hate to say I told you so, Henke, but you know already.

You mad about ETims or just plain mad? Why not buy the t-shirt at http://etims.spreadshirt.co.uk/