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Celtic Diary Thursday June 9: Is This Why The Guardian Pulled The Res 12 Ad ?

One of the delights, yes, just one of, of doing the diary is that you get to hear all kinds of things.

Some things are quite basic, and need no further thought. Stuff that comes flying in from loads of different places and you know its highly likely to be true.

Some things maybe need a little bit of input from another source. A will tell you one thing, B will mention something else and when C says something unconnected you realise that actually what has happened is all three sources have combined to give you a sense of what has actually happened. Thats how old style journalism used to work. Hacks would meet up in a boozer to do wee bits of research, they’d ask each other what they were working on, and suddenly they’d get new info from a colleague which helped them out.

These days, of course, they just get press releases and print them verbatim. Which is a shame, but then again they don’t want to upset their source-and they certainly don’t want to upset advertisers. Print media advertising is dropping in direct correlation to print media readership, and unsurprisingly , thats led to newspaper moguls panicking about upsetting anyone who puts business their way.

A free, independent media is vital in a democracy. It would be nice to have either, if you ask me.

Yesterday, CQN released a statement…

ATTEMPTS by Celtic Quick News to place newspaper statements on Resolution 12 in the UK media have been mysteriously  frustrated in what looks like an attempt to close down discussion on the subject.

It was an advert, and a wee bit more credit to the requisitioners wouldn’t go amiss here… I mention that it was an advert , well, you’ll see why in a minute.

Resolution 12 of course has been largely ignored by the media over the past three years.

However while a level censorship has been achieved in newspapers  in both Scotland and England, the same has NOT been the case in Switzerland.

The Tribune de Genéve passed the Resolution 12 Newspaper Statement for publication and this proceeded as planned on Wednesday 1st June – the same day as the SFA’s AGM. 

Stewart Regan, the SFA chief executive , looked rather uncomfortable uncomfortable when he was asked questions on Resolution 12. The premise for the questions was that a group of Scottish football supporters (From Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Utd, Albion Rovers and others) had crowd funded an advertisement in the Tribune de Genéve on the state of governance in Scottish football.

Regan was forced to speak publicly about Resolution 12 for the first time in three years.

The cat was well and truly out of the bag.

The next day on the news aggregate sites the top sports stories for The Herald, Daily Record and Scotsman were on Resolution 12.

The Offshoregame.net site reported on an increase in traffic to their site and also noted that European journalists had been in touch having read the Statement in the Tribune de Genéve.

The advertisement in the Swiss newspaper, which cost round £5000, had done it’s job.

Auldheid, who had spend 3 years banging his head against a brick wall trying to get media attention on the substance of Resolution 12, called the Swiss ad placement a ‘masterstroke’ and the three relevant officials at UEFA – all English speakers – got their copies.

Fait accompli.  

So any attempt to close down the initiative, which CQN knew would have an effect after the successes of the New Entity statement in the Sunday Herald in January 2015, simply failed.

Word got out, in English, in a French language newspaper in Switzerland. The lengths you have to go to, to expose wrongdoing.

However what has happened to the newspaper activity in the UK?

Early last week CQN published a story about the Herald Group on newspapers in relation to this Resolution 12 statement.

As mentioned above, their Sunday Herald newspaper carried the New Entity statement on 25th January 2015 after it was approved by their lawyers and industry lawyers in London. Complaints were made to the ASA about this Statement but all were dismissed.

The Herald’s sales team had tried on a regular basis since that date to get CQN to place more advertising in their newspapers and indeed offered to re-visit the New Entity issue before this season’s Scottish Cup semi-final. CQN weren’t interested.

When CQN began crowd funding for the newspaper activity to support the objectives of Resolution 12 the plan was to promote in newspapers in Switzerland and in England. However the Herald pitched in again and after various discussions, CQN were looking at taking some space in Sunday Herald.

The Herald Group never saw the text for the Resolution 12 statement.

Out of the blue, CQN then received a message saying that the ‘powers that be’ had decided that CQN could NOT place this Resolution 12 statement in any of their newspapers. Even if the advertisement simply said RESOLUTION 12 and nothing else, it was not going to be published. Resolution 12 was officially unmentionable.

However it wouldn’t be long before the statement appeared in the Tribune de Genéve, forcing their hand and ensuring that Resolution 12 would be mentioned in their  Glasgow based newspapers.

But what of the Guardian?

Two half page advertisements were booked into the Guardian and were scheduled to appear on Wednesday 1st June and Saturday 4th June. The Guardian had been advised of the subject matter and were well aware of the previous activity in the Sunday Herald. They were keen to be involved.

The space was paid for and all was proceeding according to plan. Until senior management once again got involved.

CQN received an email on Friday 27th May, from a senior manager who had not been involved in the booking, which said:

“I regret to inform you that adverts such as this get reviewed by our editorial board and as such they’ve decided not to carry the advertisement on this occasion. We therefore will be cancelling the booking this end with no monies due.

“We will of course reimburse you in full and this has been actioned by myself already; it will be with our accounts team who will be making the necessary transaction as soon as possible.” 

The Statement had once again been spiked and would not appear in The Guardian.2016-06-01-uk-the-guardian.png

This happened on the same day that the Resolution 12 submission was formally sent to UEFA and a copy was posted to Celtic FC.

Monday 30th May was a Bank Holiday, so on Tuesday morning CQN fully expected The Guardian to have returned the crowd funded money – again around £5000, so that other media outlets could be used. The strategy was to ensure that the Statement appeared on that Wednesday, the same day as the SFA AGM.

The Guardian did not reimburse CQN as promised. The refund had not been ‘actioned already’ and indeed it took until this morning, Wednesday 8th June, before the funds were recovered.

CQN spoke repeatedly to the senior manager in question and also to his colleague who organised the booking and explained that there were alternative plans for the funds, that the money was crowd funded with many hundreds of football supporters having contributed and that they had a right to know why the Guardian had taken the money, cancelled that booking and were frustrating alternative plan by not returning the funds.

The Guardian’s sales manager, who took the booking, told CQN that the decision wasn’t taken by his boss or indeed his boss but even higher up the chain of command. He told us that it was a ‘unique situation’ that their team had never experienced before and could no understand why the Guardian were reluctant to return the funds as promised.

CQN has an obligation to update everyone who contributed to this initiative on the difficulties faced. However we had to wait until the money was safely recovered.

There may be questions for the Guardian from any of their readers interested in their handling of this.

And for those who set out to frustrate our plans and suppress the message of the Resolution 12 statement – and we know you are reading this – the message from CQN is that you failed. And you have saved us £5000 into the bargain. This will be used in places you least expect, very soon indeed.

Apart from the text implying that CQN is the driving force behind resolution 12, and giving the impression it is in control, its a decent and honest statement.

At least we know what we’re up against.

Private Eye is the next target to place the advert, and , like Etims and Matt Mcglones Alternative View, -is one of the few  outlets unanswerable to corporate -or other-sponsors. so there’s no reason for them not to run it, unless there actually are legal problems. come to think of it, that doesn’t usually bother them.

The Eye works on the premise that people involved in a story will ring them up and tell them what is going on, and they usually run with it.

Now, back to the Guardian and its refusal to run the advert.

This will be down to the  decision of a senior editor or even the owner. It will be either a legal or financial decision.

It won’t be legal, as the Swiss paper ran with it, and there’s little doubt the initial submssion was checked and approved.

Remember what I said at the top about how wee stories come in ?

Well, there’s another type,

The ones you have to go digging for yourself.

We know the ad was pulled, and we know no reason was given. We also know the money took some time to be refunded, which does indeed suggest an attempt to get the advert placed elsewhere was being obstructed.

This tactic is designed to discourage , and if they weren’t up against a group of people with rebel blood running through their veins, and a healthy sense of paranoia, then it might have succeeded.

But we’re kind of used to fighting by ourselves.

So, presuming that there’s no legal reason, as the publication in Switzerland proves, then it must be a financial reason.

Advertising revenue, as We mentioned, is plummeting, and no newspaper will knowingly upset its principal advertisers.

So, who are they ?

From the Guardian of October 18 last year-which was a Sunday, so it may have appeared in the Observer…

The summer of 2015 will be remembered as the moment a perfect storm hit national newspapers.

The print advertising market, which still remains the lifeblood of income for most publishers on the path to digital sustainability, has been down unprecedented levels of as much as 30% in some weeks over the past six months.

Most of the UK’s top 10 newspaper advertisers have stripped their budgets: the biggest, Sky, has cut its spend by 20% in the first nine months, according to unofficial figures. Second ranked BT has lopped 18% off its national newspaper ad budget so far, Asda is down 47% and the once ever-reliable Tesco is down 39%.

“It’s a pressure cooker for newspapers,” says the chief marketing officer of one of the UK’s biggest advertisers. “It has reached a breaking point where buying a traditional print ad is no longer the answer. It isn’t that print doesn’t work, there just has to be more focus on what spend is getting the reach, quality and audience cut-through.”

 

So, do any of those advertisers have a vested interest in keeping the advert off the pages of the Guardian, and would any of them be prepared to whisper a little warning into someones ear ?

Asda ? Tesco ?

And surely it wouldn’t be Sky or BT, who both put money into the game north of the border….

Lets do one of those polls…

Actually, I don’t think we need to.

Sky and BT are both on record as being behind the “Return Of The Old Firm ” nonsense, something which can’t even realistically be discussed between all parties concerned without the use of a medium, and it follows that anything that would upset that agenda would certainly be frowned upon by the broadcasters.

Especially if someone else who would be under pressure from the publication, such as say the man in charge at the SFA made a call asking for a favour or two.

Now, don’t forget, all I’m doing here is working through what I think is a plausible scenario which may, or may not expalin the sudden change of heart at what was once one of the countries more trusted newspapers.

But it would probably be safer to cancel both sports broadcasters anyway, and tell them you feel they are colluding with the cheats.at least until they come out and deny any involvement.

which, in turn , would get the story out there, and people would be talking about it, and asking questions, in a way which the media in Scotland have sadly failed to do.

I want our game back.

You want our game back.

We might have to prise it from somebodys cold, dead fingers.

It’s time for Celtic to do their bit. 

We have supported you, and now you, the club, must support us. 

Celtic need to say something. And they need to say the right thing. 

Now. 

 

Back at the ranch, Anthony Stokes has been released from his contract at Celtic, and is free to pursue a life of religuous fulfillment.

We wish him well.

More importantly, as ever, there’s a back story, and it seems word got back to Brendan Rodgers that Stokesy-oh, he;’s a lad-wasn’t a stickler for turning up at training while at Hibernian, and it had given manager Rodgers an early opportunity to stamp his authority among the players. and let them know that training is not optional.

And with Stokes linked with Alan Stubbs at Rotherham, everybodys happy.

This is one of the more straightforward stories that a number of people have told us. You see the difference ?

Former manager Neil Lennon has landed a job at Hibernian, giving him a chance to bring it all on himself all over again. It will be interesting to see how the press treat him now he’s over in Edinburgh, where he always received a warm welcome from the natives, who used to go to any extreme just to be near him.

It’s a statement of intent from Hibernian, who have a European campaign to look forward to, and Lennon is the most experienced European campaigner in Scottish football.

Good luck to all of them.

Speaking fo Europe, and speaking of the way the press treat people, how about this from the -yes, you’ve guessed it-the Record.

You’ll not believe what this Rangers fan does to Hibs star Jason Cummings when they meet on holiday

Maybe not, but I certainly have little difficulty in believeing how the paper reports it. Especially in the aftermath of the Hampden riots. ( copyright , SMSM and the Belfast Telegaph. )

THE red-hot hitman was topping up his tan in the sun when he met a Gers fan and he’ll now regret the fact he scored against the Ibrox side. 

ONE of Hibernian’s Scottish Cup final heroes Jason Cummings met his match on holiday when he ran into a Rangers fan still riled by the hitman’s scoring exploits last season.

Cummings helped the Edinburgh side lift the trophy for the first time in 114 years last month as his side won 3-2 at Hampden.

The striker is now a legend in Leith but his new-found status counted for nothing as he fell victim to a pool prank while on his summer holidays.

The 20-year-old had scored the opener in a 3-2 league win over Rangers in April and a thrilled Gers fan was presented with the perfect chance to settle the score as Cummings proved he’s still a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to holiday high jinks.

Where it says “pool prank” , what it actually means 2grabbed by the throat and flung into the pool ” 

Theres a video attached to the story if you want to look for it.

So, lets imagine for a minute wee Boaby from Embra is out on holiday, and he spots Waghorn (pen 0 by the pool, and he flings him nto the water…

Horrible Fenian Bastard Injures Football Hero In Poolside Fracas

You get my drift.

Speaking of the dark side, and their way of ignoring what they don;t want to hear, they may have ignored this tweet;

A mate of mine is a close friend of Andy Halliday, he tells me that the players are all messaging one another that Warburton’s left Rangers 

Players texts are the single most accurate source for any story. Does anyone know how I can find out what they say to each other ?

Another altercation on twitter with the Phantom-real name ( not yet-Ed ) the missing manager, and they still maintain he’s on holiday.

Yeah. Weve a guy at our work who’s ben off for six weeks with a cough.

He isn’t coming back either.

Which makes me think, remember these recent plugs for Mccoist in the paper ?

You know-it wasn’t my fault and he was dealt a bad hand ?

Wonder if they were testing the water.

Wonder if he’s about to make a return ?

This summer has the potential to be the greatest of all, certainly the best i can remember.

New management team, support bristling with anticipation, season books flying out the door…

The club must not allow those who have fucked up the game in Scotland to fuck it up one more time. 

It’s time to dust down the old hunting horn and give us a blast. We’ll come running.

 Don’t worry about that.

But you need to take the lead

Otherwise, it will take a little bit of the fun  away when ally Mccoist walks back up the marble staircase.

Don’t forget, it’s Knob of the Week tomorrow, and I’m having difficulty picking a winner from such a strong field, so help me out here…

Yesterdays caption competiton… well, one answer gave me the giggles…

Eatonville Girls’ Basketball team, 1915

Houdiniibhoy June 8, 2016 at 12:34 pm · Edit · Reply →

Caption “The ladies team were disappointed “Bye” and “Gum” didn’t show for the team photo”

So, who is going to get us all chuckling today ? This picture was taken after an earthquake in Seattle, back in 1949

Earthquake damage, Seattle, 1949

 

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Craiginho
7 years ago

Rangers insist that Ibrox is in tip-top condition and rumours of serious repairs being required are without foundation!

Morto
7 years ago
Reply to  Craiginho

a bit like their financial reporting!

tom campbell
7 years ago
Reply to  Craiginho

Ibrox Park stories without foundation? Rumours of falling masonry too, I’ve heard.

greenmaestro
7 years ago
Reply to  tom campbell

“Ibrox Park without Foundation” stories without foundation.

Half_Fool
7 years ago
Reply to  greenmaestro

Those ““Ibrox Park without Foundation” stories without foundation”” are without foundation

CarlJungleBhoy
7 years ago

Caption: Construction continues as plans for turning the Albion Road Car Park into a Sports Direct superstore take shape.

john
7 years ago

Manchester in black and white(blue)

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  john

There’s the winner right there, nice one John.

Steve B
7 years ago

Caption: Rangers pre-season tour in USA ends with familiar results

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

Caption Asbestos removal company experience parking issues at the wurruld famous Albion car park in Glasgow.

Peter M
7 years ago

Caption, ” and now we return you to our reporter on the scene following The Rangers defeat to Charleston Battery last night”

boracaycelt
7 years ago

Watch yer car mister?

Mick
7 years ago

Resolutioners fall for old “moving the diversion signs” trick…

Cortes
7 years ago

“Armed Forces Day Goes Off With A 5-Star Bang As Super Swally Settles Back Into Ibrox Hotseat”

Dziekanowski's nightclub child
7 years ago

Caption: Arnold Clark Salesman ‘As you can see the cars still need to be valeted but other than that they are in drive away condition.’

charlie
7 years ago

i looked up gaurdian media owners and it says the scott trust who sold their regional media arm to trinity mirror group in 2010 trinity mirror also own the record fucking papers wouldnae wipe ma arse wae thum

Vinnie
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

That rings true and is probably the answer to the pulled ad, Charlie, and I fully agree with your sentiments. Trinity Mirror Group really is ‘the pits’.
The board of Celtic must align themselves with the fans and hurt these bastards in ‘the pocket’. I’ve binned SMSM years ago and only occasionally buy the ‘i’, which was a condensate of The Independent although I think it, too was sold off.
It may be worth the Res 12 guys asking the Independent about the ad as this would show how ‘independent’ it really is.
I’ve felt, and still do, that the USA, especially Boston and New York should be approached as FIFA/EUFA and, by extension, the SFA have been under scrutiny for ‘alleged’ corruption for ages. They cannot keep burying the truth if it’s published all over the USA. It will go global and even the scum SMSM will HAVE to act. Here’s hoping.
HH

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Charlie,

I do not think that is the reason for dropping the ad. Since 2008 the Guardian newspaper has been owned by a private company, Scott Trust Ltd and they sold off their regional papers to the Mirror group. As I understand it, the Guardian remains under the control of the Scott Trust company not the Mirror group. So I do not think the latter have any influence over the Guardian.

I do not see any obvious link to dark deeds and any of the Board of the Scott Trust Ltd, but then thst is the nature of the beast.

I believe that there are only two ways that R12 will progress. One is that the club take it on, and the second is that someone or something outside the UK taket on.

Rebus

charlie
7 years ago

caption daily record says we dont know who wrecked the place but we are looking for witnesses who can identify the celtic fan bottom right who looks guilty

CarlJungleBhoy
7 years ago

Ralph – good stuff re The Guardian story. As someone who works in publishing (TIME magazine charges >£16k per column in B&W, £25k with colour, so way out of reach of the #Res12 budget) I tend to agree with your conclusion that some “higher power”- most probably a powerful Guardian advertiser – may have put the boot in to get the #Res12 ad pulled.

In recent years, print media circulation has fallen dramatically across the industry. This not only effects the marketing value to an advertiser, but also has a direct correlation to the actual amount that the publisher can charge them – which is determined by the circulation figures report to the Audit Bureau Of Circulation.

In fact, it’s such a “buyers” market that- in order to be able to offer advertising space at a cheaper rate and – in theory – attract more ad sales customers – it’s not that unusual for a publisher to actively allow circulation to drop a little (e.g by cutting their own subscription promotions/ direct mail campaigns) to be able to offer ad sales space at a more attractive (i.e cheaper) threshold price. Consequently, buying ad space in a print media publication is actually cheaper than it used to be.

It therefore seems inconceivable that a newspaper would turn away business – albiet an ad-hoc one-off of not especially high-value to them- which cost them nothing to bring in – at a time when most have been forced to cut their ad sales staff to save money.

I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility of “legal” concerns being sited – some ill-informed person could easily be misled by the never-ending conga line of court cases involving Oldco Rangers (including a Supreme Court Big Tax appeal) to be convinced that anything even remotely connected to that subject is “legally toxic” in the U.K. However….

Pulling the ad at such a late stage (after accepting payment) does strongly suggest that someone with financial clout which could directly impact The Guardian has thrown their weight around and insisted on it being pulled.

andybhoy
7 years ago

Caption…. That’s whit happens if you dinnae let me watch yer cawr mister.

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

andybhoy ha ha that used to be ma wee turn on a saturday

CarlJungleBhoy
7 years ago

My long-ish post giving an “insiders” view of The Guardian / #Res12 issue has disappeared into thin air. If it doesn’t come up soon, I’ll maybe blog it instead.

RonaldoMcC
7 years ago

Caption: South-side earthquake causes £100,000 worth of improvements to Ibrox park.

charlie
7 years ago

has anyone seen the irelands euro dream song its fucking brilliant funny as fock sorry canny dae the link

Cortes
7 years ago

Mrs Cortes always says “Don’t threaten. Do!” A maxim which the Resolution 12 folks should “run up their flagpole and salute ” and apply. Don’t tell the world and its Auntie Williamina where you intend to strike. Choose your target, aim and fire.

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  Cortes

sounds to me like she wants it up the chocky

Cortes
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

You might like digging in your madre’s dirt, Fred.
Mrs C’s treasure is all up front.

Dex
7 years ago

Caption: Heated driveway blown away by Brendan’s revolution

Chris M
7 years ago

Rumour has if that James Traynor has fallen down the marble staircase.

Big Shuggy
7 years ago

Caption: The bottom line is “the big hoose must stay open” that’s the bottom line

Half_Fool
7 years ago
Reply to  Big Shuggy

Nice one Big Shuggy 🙂 – that’s exactly what I was going to go with.

FredCDobbs
7 years ago

is asley a top cunt

mike
7 years ago

Funniest thing i heard in years,BBC Nothern Ireland,is the green and gold parrot,(Escobar)belonging to Kevin Lawler i think singing the Fields of Athenry.Fuckin brill.
LOOOw Liiiieee Thhee Fiields of ATTTHENRY.HA.HA.

Devoy45
7 years ago

Caption: “MSM Supper Club ignore warnings about the gastric effects of too much succulent lamb…”
Caption: “Swally told us where you lived…”
Caption: “The night after Etims reunion at Molly’s”
Fighting on all fronts, we have to keep the ball in the air with Resolution 12 but we must also support our team and manager. Shame about Stokesie. Unlike Ciftci, Scepovic, Cole, Kazim and others Stokes could score in our league. I had hoped he might link up with Griffiths in Rodgers’ 4-3-3.

Katrina (@LiveLoveCeltic)
7 years ago

SFA launch aerial attack as UEFA investigators arrive at Hampden.

John54
7 years ago

Caption: The fall out from Jabba Traynor’s lamb vindaloo reeks havoc on ibrox.

Hugh67
7 years ago

Good article on the Res12.

If our assumption is that this is being kept out the papers mentioned because of the influence of Sky and/or BT, then can we not target a National paper who don’t have these two as major Advertisers?

Maybe there isn’t one but if there is then any unaffected paper could run the advert, and expose their competitors (Guardian etc) by stating ” here is the advert that The Guartian wouldn’t run”.

If it is a total cabal, then the Eye might see their refusal to print as a bigger story than the lack of Governance in the SFA.

Katrina (@LiveLoveCeltic)
7 years ago

Caption: SFA launch aerial attack as UEFA investigators arrive at Hampden

bambo
7 years ago

The Ibrox hordes get their wish as Dave King installs several new bars around the stadium. James Forrest narrowly avoids injury.

bgbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  bambo

the same james forrest who has not been injured since dec 2014? surely you mean scott brown?

The real anton rogan
7 years ago

Caption; lucky escape as the super bus avoids another attack

Apricale
7 years ago

I imagine that the dropping of the Guardian ad was not a problem. In any communications strategy you need to define your audience (and what you want to achieve), and our most relevant audience is in Nyon.

If we want to revisit the Guardian, their website (https://www.theguardian.com/info/2016/feb/25/guardian-news-and-media-advertising-standards) tells us exactly why they wouldn’t run an ad, so they should respond along these lines. However, I’d forget about it, Jake, it’s Chinatown. Pursuing this will only concern the Guardian, not our real targets.

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  Apricale

Well said Apricale, (is that name some kind of slimming aid)?

Target your audience,might be good to organize an E- Tims bus trip to Nyon,picketing is an underused form of protest.
Alternatively another Swiss publication to help keep the issue burning away,that seems to me to be a better use of funds.

PS look at the BBC News Nothern Ireland,they have a fantastic parrot,called Escobar,who sings the Fields of Athenry,for his owner Kevin Lawller.The funniest thing i heard.

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

Caption, Herculese leaves a path of destruction making his way to Cellic Park to snap up the last Season Ticket.

Apricale
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike, slimming aid – if only. It’s where I live.

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  Apricale

Just jossing, As an Italianphile, its a part of that lovely country that i have never visited.I was very, very keen once to live there full time but i could never persuade the misses.Noo its to late,but luv it and have many Italian friends,i console myself with the thought that i could always beat them at fitba.H.H.

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  Apricale

Apricale,

I wish that you were correct that this is merely a Guardian thing, but I fear it is broader than this. Firstly, the Herald group also refused to take the ad without seeing it. This is further evidence that there is no legal empediment but more importantly, stretches credibility that this is a one off event. Secondly, I believe a poster in the know in CQN stated that he would reveal details of another English media source that rejected the ad.

At least three media sources rejecting ad revenue when there is is no legal issue with it, suggests something else is at play here.
I suggest that there is a third force at work….not just the two that Ralph mentioned…..namely political or lobbying forces with an agenda.

These refusals should be given as much oxygen as possible because it highlights important messages……..a hidden agenda and suppression of free speech.

Rebus

Apricale
7 years ago
Reply to  Rebus67

Hi Rebus. I don’t disagree with anything you say, but my point is that we can’t cover all the bases. We need to set ourselves targets, and not get distracted. The Guardian is a big target, but what would we now gain from getting anything from the G? Our real targets should be in Nyon. At the end of this process, we need to say “what have we achieved”? And I think that movement from Uefa is much more important than movevement from the press. And more achievable. Much as I sympathise with what you say. Best, Apricale

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  Apricale

Apricale,

Agreed the top target is UEFA. I agree the game is over with the Guardian but the refusal should be promoted and used as further evidence that somebody does not want questions asked.

Tx for replying,

Rebus

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  Apricale

Apricale,

A long response to you has gone puff. It may or may not appear. Anyone any thoughts on why this happens? Is it triggered by the length or by key words?

Frustrating!

Rebus

Apricale
7 years ago
Reply to  Rebus67

Rebus67 – thanks anyway, Computers are Hell.

elcormaco
7 years ago

busy times at work keeping me away from posting on here as much as I d like, but still feeling the positive vibes after Brendan’s appointment, and believe Res 12 will gain more traction. HH

Rebus67
7 years ago

More musings on Res 12. IMHO Res 12 is small beans. It only covers the issue of licencing for European competitions in one year. There are much bigger issues that need to be pursued. Namely, the persistent cheating over a number of years through the shady under the table methods of paying salaries to Ranger’s players. The absurd conclusion of the LNS needs to be challenged. Res 12 is peanuts compared to the repercusions of this cheating……loss of titles and compensation for deprived Scottish and European teams.
Whoever is behind the blocking of Res 12 must see it as the thin end of the wedge…….lose this and the floodgates will open, sweeping all away. Perhaps some of our own.

In no way, do I intend to devalue the efforts of the Res 12 guys….just to give a perspective on the broader situation.

Rebus

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  Rebus67

Rebus, completely agree,but the Res 12 battle is the only one ongoing at present,for me its about how much does the current Board value the opinions of the support and will they put there shoulder to the wheel.Telling times.

charlie
7 years ago

phils up wae another peach the zombies are going tonto ha ha

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

It is hilarious charlie, listening to and reading the dim huns reaction to Phil’s latest grenade. Short may it continue and let’s get the ice cream and jelly at the ready.

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

ha ha they really are a breed apart

Doc
7 years ago

So The Guardian finally nails its MSM colours firmly to the mast, it has been on this slippery slope for a while now. Gone are the alternative and progressive journalism that told the stories others didn’t dare and they have been replaced with clickbait crap and campaigns based on demonstrable falsehoods, the poor spelling has been supplanted by poor content. It has been steadily losing it’s readers while haemorrhaging its huge cash reserves during its transformation from essential reading to ‘The Sun for students’.

The R12 issue just embodies how hypocritical The Guardian has become, just a few years after seriously attacking other papers for concealing the activities of HSBC for fear of losing ad revenue.

The Guardian has been trying to establish itself as some sort of bastian of sporting integrity with its lengthy campaign to oust Sepp Blatter, recently featuring an individual that recieved £16m worth of building work gifted from the taxpayer or barely paying notice to a £250m taxpayer funded stadium being given to a club run by a Tory Lord that had just, coincidentally, made a one-off donation to the Tories. They couldn’t get enough of the ‘Russian doping scandal’, running with stories for weeks whilst ignoring the fact that Jamaica, Kenya and Spain, amongst others, have also been declared non-compliant in similar circumstances. That campaign culminated in calls for Russian based athletes to be banned from competition while not daring to suggest that athletes in Jamaica, Kenya or Spain face similar sanction. Even as two Spanish teams competed for club footballs biggest prize they, and the rest of the MSM, stayed silent about the fact that the Spanish Anti doping authorities (AEPSAD) were passing athletes, including footballers, as ‘clean’ without the required level of independant testing even close to being met.

As a regular Guardian reader this is the straw that broke the camels back for me, they have spent the last couple of years hammering nails into thier own coffin but this one hits home. Hopefully the proper contibutors like Roy Greenslade or even newer folk like Frankie Boyle can transfer to Private Eye so i can still read them as the Guardian joins the rest of the MSM in commiting corporate seppuku. They can bemoan how social media and blogs are harming them but, in reality, it is the truth thats killing them and their unwillingness to publish it.

Caption: Record top story, 11 players cars assaulted.

Doc
7 years ago

Gremlin got my comment.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

Wee fitba joke…
Concerned citizen:Can a watch yer car furra fiver Mister?
Car Owner: Naw wee man the dug in the back seat can dae that..
Concerned citizen: Kin yer dug put oot fires?

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

ha ha or can yer dug pump up tyres

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

cs i was that motor watcher ha ha

Cartvale88
7 years ago

Caption ‘Warbsy’s failed escape attempt from Ibrakes’

mike
7 years ago

Caption, Sue takes her revenge on Swindon as she husny won the Caption Competition fur ages.Aw Diddums.

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago

Ralph

I have finally got back among the comments. I have been truly busy, busy with retirement. That’s the time of life when you wonder how you ever held down a job before. No matter, I have been reading every night. Actually, it’s the only thing I have managed to keep up these last couple of weeks.

I have no wish to resurrect sad memories but I have to add my condolences on the passing of the big black fella – well both of them. I forgot about Ali – a truly great and honourable man both in sport and in life. I have had the dog experience twice and it is not pleasant. I put my foot down after number two and found I had stood right in it. I said no more. So, it has been the wife and I on our own since – well, except for the rubber whatsit under the bed she hasn’t seen yet. And her thinking I am so considerate and house proud when I insist bending down to clean under the bed is a man’s job.

If you want to read brass neck in all its glory, it is worth having a look at The Guardian response on CQN. Is there anything more damning than “bare-faced” when it comes to lying? If so, that paper has it big time. You have to wonder where the “brains” of the outfit resides – sharing the Warburton holiday chalet perhaps. The list of untruths in their statement is beyond belief. Ah, more fool me! They are Scottish “journalists” of course. However, I believe media bloodhound Alex Thomson has his long journalistic beak sniffing the Res12 trail. It could be interesting if he decides he has a scent – in this case an abominable stink more like. However, the key missing element at the moment is a statement, show of support or, more appropriately, backing from the club along with a long list of questions for the plotters of Hampden.

Good luck to the dear departed, especially Tony Stokes. I was never a great fan but his heart was in the right place even if his head ganged aft astray. Also to Kasim Richards, may his adventures in South America bring him plenty of highs. His short sojourn was as successful as my first go on a JCB – ask the lorry driver with the smashed cab. Also to all the other squad members who warmed our subs’ bench for far too long or have now been discharged from the treatment room for good, may you do well in your new profession. You can always say you wore THE JERSEY even if it was ten sizes too big for you. I wish you all well wherever you next park your lazy arses. As for those who may or may not be on the exist list, I hope your knees are not knocking for long. To the young ones who did us proud over and over and have moved to pastures new, I sincerely hope your careers take off but please, don’t come back to haunt us.

Caption: The Edmiston Drive Crash

H H

charlie
7 years ago

pb do you think the board will make a statement about res12

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

charlie

The Res12 guys keep saying something will come and I just wish my faith was to the fore. In life there is faith, hope and charity and the greatest of these at the moment in relation to the board is hope. jimmybee sums it up below. If in England I would have absolutely no doubt. Here, I wonder if at best our board are afraid of taking a stance because of imagined consequences. This is ridiculous given UEFA would need to back them if they are justified. For me, no matter the outcome of any investigation, Res12 is a totally legitimate question. At worst, God forbid, the board have been either complicit in or approved by silence the conspiracies concocted in Hampden. I am no guru when it comes to the inner workings of football either at club, national or international level. All I know is in my lifetime history has rarely been on our side in these sort of situations so my hope is not as solid as I would wish. I fear we will need outside assistance to win through and that is not readily forthcoming as far as I can see. Outwith Celtic supporters, there are grunts and nods but very little action from where I stand. All I would say is, if our board think Ronny Deila drove the crowds away, wait till the see the response if they do not come out in support of Res12. They need to understand – and I am baffled how they do not already see it – that for us this is about the very essence of a game (equal opportunity to win) that is in our very blood, as they say, and consequently THE reason for supporting the footballing side of our club, being reduced to a “fix”, camouflaged by the veneer of football rules, for the benefit of one side. In other words, they want us to pay to watch a farce. That is what is at the heart of Res12. It is the worms in the can that need exposed rather than the can itself. But first, someone must be prepared to open the can.

H H

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Pensionerbhoy

charlie

I meant to add at the end that the can opener may well be in the hands of the Celtic board.

H H

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  Pensionerbhoy

pb ile open it wae ma teeth ha ha

7 years ago

Pensionerbhoy always a pleasure to read your posts.
Let me ask why, Alex Thomson, from Chanel 4 who knows the klan well, now I know there is more important issues in the world of politics than Res 12, but Res 12 to us is a massive story, which goes to the core of corruption within a governing sports body,then to have no news story whatsoever leaves me numb,but also leaves me thinking that actually, there is no story.
Only our paranoid.
Let’s swap it over to English Football

What is “Resolution 12” all about, and why should it matter to you?

In June 2011, Man Utd(the dead one) owed £2.8 million in unpaid taxes to HMRC. According to UEFA rules, clubs are not allowed to take part in European competition if there is money overdue to their government. Despite this fact, the English Fa allowed Man Utd to keep their licence and play in the 2011/12 Champions League.

Clearly, this raises serious questions about the integrity of English football, and a small number of supporters have been working hard to get answers from the English Fa .
Recently, however, their efforts have hit a wall – the English Fa refuses to respond, and the Liverpool board appear to be sitting on their hands.

So, what happens next? Many fear that allowing potential corruption to go unchecked will result in thousands of fans turning their back on English football altogether. What has the English FA got to hide? Will Liverpool sit back and do nothing, or will they act now for the long term good of the game?

Keep up to date with Resolution 12 as the story develops.

Would Liverpool sit back, not on your life.
Would Man Utd sit back if it was Liverpool not on your life.
There is corruption, within our walls, Celtic FC 1888 is the only option left. Make a statement, support the res12 guys, failure will mean a mass exodus of your season tickets from match days.
Even though we have bought a season book, we will not be part of corruption, we will walk out, have no fear.

charlie
7 years ago

jmmybee if the board say fuck all about res12 they are emboldining the scummy bastards to cheat more our das and grandas had to take that shit we must not allow it to happen to our grandwains COYBIG

FRANKIEBHOY67
7 years ago

I think the Res.12 guys will end up placing the ad in “Gay News”, how could they possibly discriminate. If that avenue failed we could ask Warnurtons bakery to make a five thoudand pound cake with the ad. on it. If they refused we could sue them in court, there has been precident here. Think of the publicity.

charlie
7 years ago

if they place it in the gay news at least the huns will defo see it

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

charlie

They don’t even know how to smile never mind be gay. Hope I haven’t given you a bum steer with this? 🙂

H H

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  Pensionerbhoy

pb whit you dain up at this time you need to save yer strenghth for the hootenanny

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

charlie

I just found out I WAS up. I must have been doing that sleep walk thing. The wife says it is the most active I ever get in any 24 hours. By the way, I see you’re a bit of a barn owl yourself. I am just dipping before going off to do my daily “retirement” stuff so I could be gone a while.

H H

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

charlie

Lack of sleep will be the least of my problems when among ETims fans. It is the lack of support after a glass or two that might be my downfall. Have to go.

H H

charlie
7 years ago

i hope the zombies dont lead the charleston kkk astray during the dour tour

Half_Fool
7 years ago

Caption:

When things get too exciting, lie back and think of Stoke.

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Half_Fool

HF

That should be the winner but I fear that big hole in your foot just might have been self-inflicted. Ralph is not vindictive but he wants your name.

H H

Pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Half_Fool

HF

Gave a quick response to your winning caption but don’t think Ralph liked it. It got junked 🙂

H H

charlie
7 years ago

portpower ime on ma holidays the noo and mrs charlie thought i was being romantic hummin that tune ha ha aint life grand

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