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Thoughts: Is Smith’s Collusion Behind The Bitterness ?

El cormaco asks if Walter Smith’s rant is down to his own mistakes, and wonders if he’s just getting his version in first….

 

I wanted to stay away from talking about Rangers / “Rangers” and all parts in between. “Rangers” are a real club now, and will be in the SPL next year. Fine. I m still interested in finding the truth of the EBT years, and the birth of Sevco into “Rangers”, but day to day I couldn’t give a hoot about  their team, players or fans, but Walters “bitter” comments I couldn’t leave alone.

I’ve taken some of his comments and addressed them, in I hope a factual manner. Even if Walter has a laissez faire attitude to facts I d like to rise above that.

“I think it [ill feeling] will always be there. There was no necessity for Rangers to be put down into the Third Division.” 

Rangers weren’t “put down” except in the same way a sick dog is. If Rangers really were put down, why didn’t they still play in Europe the following season, or enter the Scottish Cup at the same point when SPL teams do? Or sue the SPFL / SFA for loss of earnings / unfair practice? Among the multiple protests they embarked upon in 2012 I don’t recall a single whimper about this “being put down” business.

 

The gates of their own stadium are pretty clear – Rangers FC was a limited company, and when the company went bust – the Ltd part, guess what, the club did too.

The truth is Rangers applied to join leagues as a new club, as even Walter at the time acknowledged, and were accepted in SFL 3.

“I think that’s the thing that will always stay in Scottish football, I think there will be a bitterness in the Rangers ranks that it happened. It will be a massive motivation for the club, it would be for me.

“There will be a bitterness in the Rangers ranks that it happened”

Rangers brought their own dissolution upon themselves by setting up off the books payments to players, running up unsustainable debts (which we as tax payers ultimately paid for) and what happened – a new club having to start at the bottom, was a consequence of the actions of “Sir” David Murray, and the other board members, even prior to Craig Whyte rocking up.

Are fans of other clubs not allowed some sense of bitterness for the years of living beyond your means, paying some £45 million in salaries – pending any Supreme Court reversal that’s what they were, acting deceitfully for years – non disclosure of these contracts, lying about the existence of side letters, maintaining a in my view farcical stance that these were non contractual loans (not a penny of which have been re paid).

That’s bitterness I can comprehend; being bitter because your own greed and stupidity put you to your death. If Rangers fans were out in the streets barracking Murray, King et al for their irresponsible  (illegal?) actions that would be bitterness I could empathise with.

As it stands, with their not inconsiderable bitterness directed wrongly at these perceived haters it only adds to the senses of bitterness pervasive in Scottish football at present: “Rangers” fans bitter that “they was did wrong” by the haters, everyone else bitter they rigged the game for years and were able to escape with no more than an unpaid fine

And this nonsense about the club and fans doing nothing wrong by the way, for whose benefit were these arrangements set up? I d argue to satisfy the demands of an irrationally self entitled support who believe they are “simply the best” and demanded the absolute best players possible, even when the club could not afford them. It was all for the glory of the Rangers, driven on by their fans, not for the good of Scottish football or any other nonsense.

“There’s no doubt it was the wrong move in my eyes. Scottish football’s been worse off and a lot of the teams who were happy to see Rangers go down there have suffered and found themselves relegated or in the process of being relegated. So there will be that bitterness.

Again, other clubs were disadvantaged for years by Rangers actions, for which there is no contrition, and while it may be true that clubs have suffered financially, something important, called sporting integrity, thankfully won the day.

Rangers had to live with the consequences of their own actions, and other clubs had to live with the consequences of Rangers actions. To blame other clubs for adhering to some ideal of sporting integrity is to completely miss the club responsible for this issue having to be addressed at all.

“How can they forget what happened to them? They can’t forget that. Nobody can forget.” 

On this I agree with Walter, but the “they” he refers to in my eyes are the fans of every other club, who not only had years of a game played on an uneven field, and had to see, and lets be honest here, a large money generator in Scottish football go to the wall, which yes affected other clubs, then had to be told repeatedly that the phoenix club was in fact the same club, history intact, that went to the wall, and now we must listen as we are being told now how hard done by this club was, and how should all be ashamed of ourselves for the way we treated them.

Put all that in the mix and I d argue that yes, there is a case for bitterness in Scottish football, but not from the “Rangers” people who shovel this shite at us.

 

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Brian (not the messiah)
8 years ago

Let it go!!!!! 😉

mike
8 years ago

AH, Walter (Sour Ploom)Smith.

He/They do not do truth,they will never repent,why,because they are the Master Race,they are superior,(in there own minds only).
Elcormaco,good post btw.We know the truth,the press know the truth,the SFA and SPFL know the truth and they know that we know the truth and someday soon the truth will come out, as it always does,i cannot wait for that day.
In the meantime,we bide our time,waiting, watching,listening and shake our heads at there self delusion.

john young
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

he was totally invisible for a few years of their troubles,no one seeking his views then??

schoosh71
8 years ago

Walter Smith believes RIFC fans are “bitter!”, shock-a-rooney. Tell us something we didn’t know Walter. Bitter: sour, angry, spiteful, vicious, savage, hate filled, venomous, poisonous nasty and ill-natured. Sounds like HUNS to me. HH

charles crichton
8 years ago
Reply to  schoosh71

Hun is a sectarian term. So you must be a bigot. And bigots opinions are best ignored.

andybhoy
8 years ago

Hun is not a sectarian term and your opinion, to put it simply, is shite.

charlie
8 years ago

crikey chucky weel ignore you then hun

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Well if it is a sectarian term then explain this …
https://youtu.be/BayuAhAiI1w?t=18m30s
18:30 onward

jay beer
8 years ago

The very word ‘rangers’ is a sectarian term! Its fans are sectarian, its their reason for living as Zombies,to spread their anti RC and anti-lrish racism!
Evil club,even reborn as Sevco/rifc,they still long to wade up to their knees in Catholic blood.
Their ‘brothers and sisters’ of the sectarian orange order disgrace Scotland every time they parade up and down the streets of our towns and cities. How the Labour council in Glasgow gave them permission to hold their disgusting HateFest in George Square last year is beyond me! Labour and the Tories also wave their union jacks…. they and their pals in the racist/sectarian oo can stuff their flag.
Anyone wanting a couple of photos of blatent sectarianism e-mail me on > jbee947@gmail.com <
Spread them high and low.
HH

BondiBrian
8 years ago
Reply to  jay beer

jay ber, dinny be ridiculous by saying ‘rangers’ is a sectarian term, it weakens the whole argument against certain sections of their fan base who without a doubt are sectarian, as a section of Celtic support are. Canny deny that fact however lets focus upon Celtic being ‘open to all, regardless of race creed or colour’

HAIL HAIL N aw that !!!

wulz
8 years ago

If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.
Bigoted fud.
HH

CarlJungleBhoy
8 years ago

Nice one sir El! ..This way my take of Alistair Lamont of BBC Scotland’s article on the ragged Cardigan’s rant..

https://carljunglebhoy.wordpress.com/2016/04/12/rangers-walter-smith-says-sense-of-bitterness-remains-over-past/

elcormaco
8 years ago
Reply to  CarlJungleBhoy

Good piece, thanks for the link

charles crichton
8 years ago

Hmmmm. If Rangers are a “new” club why does the SPFL website state the club was founded in 1872 and list a world record 117 honours? Why does UEFA,the ASA and the ECA declare Rangers to be the same club? You see,you can bang on all day about Gers being a “new” club but the facts are YOU do not make the decision. The football authorities do. And they have declared Rangers to be the same club. And that is the end of the matter. Log onto SPFL Rangers if you disbelieve me.

andybhoy
8 years ago

Hmmmm, wank.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Haw wank, I think you’ll find that Al Ahly are the club with the most titles in world football, 131 in total. I’m also pretty sure they got a fair few of them by cheating and corruption, just like a club we once knew and loathed a few years back.
Fuck off zombie and stop talking mince.

irishguy
8 years ago

The law of the land say they were liquidated and the documentation is there to prove it. Sporting bodies, the media or individuals can only posit an opinion.

Rangers F.C. are no more, let the SFA / SPFL produce legal documentation to prove otherwise.

YNRA GET OVER IT.

charlie
8 years ago

crkry chucky we dont care what the animals say now have a good liquidated life

BroxburnBhoy
8 years ago

Oh dear the disregard for actual facts is spectacular like the debt ridden liquidation. You know was well as we do that your old club died off through its own fault leaving debts and especially to her majesty who wants her money! Your denial represents the arrogance of the old liquidated club. You can keep repeating the lie and it will never be true. The truth is you know it and we know it so just let it go.
Can’t wait for the titles to be stripped, the newco to go bankrupt and to find out the transfer of assets that Green bought were fraudulent – now fuck off back to Orc land

Wisnae Me
8 years ago

The SPFL can’t be trusted about crap like this, they list Airdrie as founded in 2002 and while that’s true their membership is Clydebank’s so they were founded a lot longer ago than that. Or is it one rule for Ibrox and another for Excelsior?

NB. The UEFA page hasn’t been updated since December 2010 and so doesn’t even mention the financial meltdown and liquidation of “the world’s most successful club”.

itwisnaemeitwishim
8 years ago

but…..every supporter of every other football club[apart from shitemarnock]doesnt believe you or them….fact……you will get this at every away ground yous attend….ynra

Monti
8 years ago

Crichton,
Pray tell if you please, if ” Rangers ” had won the Scottish cup, in any of the last three years, why they would not be able to take part in the following seasons European competition?

Thick as fuck you lot!

Monti
8 years ago

Crichton,
” What’s that shite that you’re not dead
Oh yes you are you’re playing Peterhead “

8 years ago

Charles,
Your dead club ably assisted by the ruling bodies of our football association,the laptop loyal media,have conjoured up,the greatest swindle ever to be told.
To continue the lies and deceit,is to disrespect those who are owed substantial amounts of money.
So as you rejoice in the fairy story,put together by shysters,spare a thought for the government cutbacks to hospitals,ambulance service, the police, that your dead club has played a part in when deliberately not paying her majesty’s revenue and customs,when required to do so.
Of course signing players that you couldnot normally afford,gave you no sporting advantage,another lie and disrespect to the clubs of Scotland who cut cloth to suit their means.
Go home ya Hun!

8 years ago

Crichton
You must havBeing the same cluse aquired your brain the same way as your club sevco aquired their rangers name,i.e. illegally.Being the same club,you will have no problem paying the £120 million your club owes creditors,including HMRC.

torrancetimebomb
8 years ago

Crichton,
fuck off back to follow follow you orc bawbag, you live in a world where you have done nothing wrong, your hubiris attitude, shows you for what you are, you are a bitter deluded gullible clown who knows its only a matter of time before you find yourself in the same position again, with thieves, taxdodgers and hong kong criminals running your club, if you are the same club, pay the 276 creditors you owe.
no, didn’t think so
cock

8 years ago

If it’s the same club, how come the players’ contracts were void, and, what happened to their substantial debts?

Devoy45
8 years ago

Same club? Same history? Therefore, same debts. £160 million and rising…

elcormaco
8 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

That’s it in a nutshell. Following the rangers route why don’t all clubs run up as much debt as they can then “shed” this debt & carry on as before?

Monti
8 years ago

Crichton,
” I was one of the first players to accept the offer of a 75% wage cut, in an attempt to help the original rangers ” – Steven Naismith.

Q. What did he mean by ” Original rangers “?
Q. Why was this player and several others including highly paid international players allowed to leave for free?
Q. Have you ever washed and how many teeth do you have that aren’t brown or nicotine stained?
Q. Are you aware of people pointing and staring at you when you are out in public?

gordon ross
8 years ago

Any truth in the story coming out of Hollywood USA that Brad Pitt and his producers are to return to Glasgow to film “World War Z Two ” as they’ve heard there’s hordes of the walking dead wandering round Ibrokes

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  gordon ross

Gordon,
No truth whatsoever, Brad said that the Hundreds locals were ” far too hideous ” to be used as a mere Zombie…

fin49
8 years ago

Dueling banjos CC!

gordon ross
8 years ago

Set & cast already there just waiting for Brad !!!

Coatbrigbhoy
8 years ago

Walter Smith had this to say……………. “Members of our consortium had met with Charles Green and Zeus Capital prior to the CVA (company voluntary agreement) meeting and it had been agreed that we would be provided with significant information which would give us comfort as to the identity of the consortium members, their strategy and their funding capacity.

“This information had not been forthcoming by the date of our offer.

“We are therefore withdrawing completely from the process to enable Charles Green and his consortium to move forward.

“We very much hope the verbal assurances they provided to us – and the public statements made – are adhered to and that the club will therefore be financed and managed with appropriate governance and can go forward in a sustainable manner.

“We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune.”

Wisnae Me
8 years ago

“Rangers had to live with the consequences of their own actions”

No, they didn’t. They died (almost, they’re still technically in liquidation) as a result of their own actions.

Tex
8 years ago

Crichton,
A Hun is described in the dictionary as a barberous or destructive person . I think that describes your lot perfectly.Now fu** off back to your cesspit .

Monti
8 years ago

Stupid, stupid Huns!!!

Monti
8 years ago

Crichton and any other lurking inbreds, what did Walter the myth mean by ” New ” when he said, and he did say and I quote ” We wish the new rangers club every success “?

Come on now dafties….

Monti
8 years ago

Could someone put up a track called ‘ let’s all laugh at the newco ‘ by Quadrofenians?

Cheers

Monti
8 years ago

” For every fiver we’ll spend a tenner
Well….who…the…fuck…are…you…calling the beggars now”?

Let’s all laugh at the newco…..

Monti
8 years ago

What’s that shite that you’re not dead? 🙂

8 years ago

Just read that Leicester city fan who was supposed to ref at Spurs at the weekend will now not be allowed too.
That would never take off here would it.

AyrCelt
8 years ago

Wattie prick stoking the fire like he has done for years… his pish talk has clearly made him go a bit nuts.

BondiBrian
8 years ago

crighton will be laughing his heid off, best to ignore him but if you choose to respond then so be it.

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