Charlie Saiz ponders the positives of the emergence of a new, big club from the south side of the city…(it won’t take long-Ed )
The Flip Side To The 2angers Coming…
The argument as to whether the current 2angers side is the same entity is not really relevant to this ramble as the fact now stands they (whoever they are) will be operating in the top flight next season regardless.
They might even manage a full season.
There are umpteen reasons as to why this is a negative for so many within our support of course which have all been discussed many,many times these past 4 years or so so I won’t be going there .
No I would rather flip it and try to look at the positive benefits (if any)regarding their imminent arrival.
Celtic under a previous admission from Pete Lawwell have been hit financially hard due to the departure of the dearly beloved in 2012.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-rangers-troubles-cost-celtic-4137888#m4tKXo3mivwMT4vx.97
Since then it has been made public knowledge that we have taken a hit of at least £5m a Season going up to £10m depending on what you read?
That has meant a change in approach by the Club which as a direct result has meant a constant turnover of personnel as we entered the buy to sell market.
It had to be done there was no other option Lawwell has assured us.
The books would have appeared to back him up.
The arrival of the basket case that is The 2angers now changes things again you see.
Like it or like it not financially we will benefit from their arrival and to the tune of at least £5m a Season possibly even more as the TV and commercial companies jump back on the O/F bandwagon.
There will be an O/F Bandwagon you can put your mortgage on that and the powers at be at Celtic will do nothing to suggest otherwise.
Money is king after all if you pardon the obvious contradiction over at Ibrokes.
This could well signal a return to a more traditional approach at Celtic and perhaps back to the building of a side rather than an asset strip every 12 months to help finance the cost of it?
We have yet to master that particular juggling act at Celtic having ended up with several duds on the books and no prize asset to strip this summer?
No I think there may well be a sigh of relief the forces of darkness are once more set to descend on the top flight in numbers.
It could well mean an immediate injection of cash, cash that is the cash we have been starved of over 4 years. The club may now decide that simply ticking over with an average side and an average manager will no longer suffice.
So it could mean a clear out of the average players we have been stockpiling and bringing in the quality we so obviously need to progress in Europe.
Ronnys time might well be up come the Summer? That of course will depend on how we finish this year, one of the most frustrating in living memory.
Time will tell of course but the fact of the matter is we will have more disposable income next season than the past 4 with their arrival.
This will in turn put the focus firmly back onto the Board.
If they fail to Invest this time questions,serious questions will have to be asked as to why not?
I can foresee a change in management if it turns out that money will be invested as I don’t see them trusting Deila with the extra capital. Now I think in his case it will be a thanks for the past 2 years and a no thanks to the next 3.
A £5-10m injection on top of the normal budget may just be enough too
A – Replace those leaving
B- Allow us to kick away from any challenge on the Domestic front
C- Make us at least competitive enough to have a push for the Champions League in Europe.
Provided it is spent wisely this time and not on more projects or “potential”.
We have a chance of doing so with good clutch of young talent all it just needs a bit of quality in there to help kick it on again.
There is no positives about having any form of Huns in the top flight, they are vermin!
Yes but like any rodent problem they can soon overrun the place and takeover if you don’t take the correct measures soon enough.
The flip side to their “Journey” is it has run up some major debt which will inhibit their spending whilst it again incrreases our finances on arrival.
ie They just widened the financial gap further by their own success.
So thick are they this hasn’t even entered their tiny minds 😉
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the manager has had the squad and funds at his disposal to beat the likes of malmo, maribor and warsaw… them coming up should not make a difference
a manager that knows what hes doing is all thats required
bgbhoy, you took the words right out of my, er, keyboard.
Exactly!
I read somewhere that Celtic’s budget wad twelve times that of Malmo, we know how that story finished.
Messi was on over £200k a week when he watched the £100k signing from Coatbridge slap the winner in at Celtic Park.
Again we pay more for less because of our location next to the richest League in Football.
Paying more does not mean they are better.
I have said this many times on here we pay more for players at Celtic than the likes of Malmo do for the same level of player in Sweden.
Players get paid more in the UK,they cost more to buy due to our location next to the richest League in World Football.
This however does not make them any better players just because the market we are in is inflated.
We also have a much bigger squad again not filled with top quality but filled with bang average ability.
Our best players have failed to perform this Season regardless of Management.
Brown Lustig Johansen all key men have all been poor by previous standards and that in a team bereft of any top quality is a serious issue.
So can we dispense with the Football Manager approach to finances and get real with where we are actually at for once?
100% Agree
Lawwell stating Celtic miss out on £5-10m is only one side of the argument.
With no genuine rival for the league we have access more often to even greater funds via the Champions League Group Stage.
Unfortunately we blew it twice when it mattered.
Champions League is not guaranteed Shug.
However the £5-10m every Season will be according to Lawwell.
Now if we were to chuck that £5-10m into improving our chances of Champions League qualification I don’t see how that can be a bad thing myself?
Not that it is an argument of course merely an observation and upside to potentially a bad situation.
Charlie
Taking a simple example with no SevCo around our opportunity doubled. We should be in it twice as often as we were in the past.
The problem the board wanted it all, sell our best players, and the UCL group stages, flawed strategy !
Totally agree they are culpable not the Manager.
You don’t replace Van Dijk and Denaayer with Jozo and Boyata and expect the same level?
You don’t replace Forster with Gordon and expect the same level.
Same with Wanyama- Bitton
Hooper-Pukki
Ledley-Johansen
Matthews-Janko
I’s a joke a flawed approach which has taken 3 years to catch up.
They need to alter it again the arrival of the munch bunch should allow a move back to building again.
Interesting summer ahead methinks.
Managerial issues aside the Board have to step up this time.
“Quality” costs real money and DD isn’t sailing on that ship. Players will not be shipped on without their contracts paid up, aka Derk. Maybe we could get them to ‘walk the plank’, but I think health and safety, along human resource might have something to say. I honestly hope the young team who have been out on loan come back and are ready to step up and put the pressure on for a starting slot, with a few coming up from the development squad. We live in hope, the joy of being a football fan. Only my opinion. HH
Schoosh,
” Quality costs real money ” does it?
Mahrez at Leicester cost £400,000
Jamie Vardy £1m
That is two outstanding players for £1.4m.
Arguably our best players in the past past few years have been the cheaper ones.
Hooper £2.6m Van Dijk £2.5m
Forster £2.2m
Ki £2.1m
Griffiths £1m
Gordon Lustig Wilson Ledley Matthews Mulgrew were all FREE
Commons £300k
Wanyama £700k
Bitton £800k
Watt £100k
Proving it can be done with proper scouting and approach.
charlie s all the zombies need to do to be rehabilitated is admit the cheating pay back the debts and present the teams they cheated with the stolen trophies oh and kiss ma fenian arse 18 in a row in 2016 aint life grand COYBIG
Not going to happen Charlie.
I’m not concerned about what they think if I am honest all that concerns me is how their imminent arrival is going to affect Celtic.
There are many negatives of course but on a financial front there will be some positives.
if it disnae happen our crowds will go down while the cheats go up the huns have always known about the cheating and they loved it because it made the thick cnuts feel superior it part of their dna
The crowds for the derby games will be interesting let’s see whay happens at Hampden that could be an indicator I think?
charlie s the hun game will always get a crowd its the season tickets celtic better worry about
They sold 42,000 this Season I agree it will be interesting to see if that figure goes up or down.
I reckon Lawwell fears the worst but may end up being pleasantly suprised?
if he deals wae res12 honestly they will get another 3 in my immediate family
Sorry but that is one poor article, like Monty i see absolutely nothing encouraging or beneficial for having them cheating DOB back in the premier league, as for more investment, please. .where did all the investment go when we were in champions league and all the money we got for Wanyama Forster ect, balancing the books is all that matters, the team must play second fiddle to the balance sheet. The £5 million that Lawell says we’ve been losing since the huns went bust should help towards the massive drop in income from season books nxt season, until the Celtic board sort out the issues of Resolution 12, secret 5 way agreements and speak out and condemn the continual pedling of the same club myth then it’s going to be a downward spiral for Celtic..KTF..RONNY OOT NOW
Well said KB!
You should write a piece stick it up there for all to read.
After all any fan who thinks changing Managers with 6 games to go whilst sitting 5 points clear at the top of the League is obviously someone worth listening to…fill your boots bud 😉
It’s an opinion that’s all and if it’s poorly written then I guess I won’t be claiming the Pulitzer Prize this year?
Note to self: Must try harder.
Charlie Saiz,
Well if you can manage it…..
Iv’e managed up till now ok Monti and without the need to self medicate 😉
Great post., Charlie Saiz. Yes, there are the financial benefits you cannot ignore that. However, I just dread the usual shite from the media, Scottish refs, honest mistakes, dodgy deals, fines, suspensions etc. Etc. Do we really want to go back to this? http://top50honestmistakes.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/top-50-honest-mistakes-since-start-of.html?m=1
Cheers and no I don’t wan’t to go back to the way it was bud.
Thing is the media are hyping the arrival much like they did the arrival of Whyte and Green (look how that panned out)?
All the while ignoring the fact it has cost them close to £30m (£32m I read somewhere last week)which in turn has them close to £18m in debt on arrival.
That is before any money is spent replacing the Loans they have and also recruitment in the summer?
On top of that there is also the £5m injection we get which if they want to seriously compete with us they will also need to find and match.
It’s not all doom and gloom as some may think and at the end of the day like it or not it is coming one way or another.
4 years of them being back equates to 1 years CL money btw.
Think about that 😉
You are right we are on a downward spiral. Fact: They will be in the Premier League next season. Fact: We are getting worse, they are getting better. The gap in class and performance is rapidly diminishing (we might see that on the 17th)
Something needs to be done at the earliest
Replace the Manager and coaching staff with a team who can coach and motivate the players that we have (they are not all duffers)and a goodly number have not been given any chance to show what they can do
It is my opinion that Lustig Brown and Commons need replacing at Celtic in the near future none of them are getting any younger and all of them are certainly getting poorer as players as time goes on.
These are decent players when at it thing is they are no longer at it and have become average in European terms.
Lack of Investment has finally caught us up,downsizing and asset stripping for financial gain has us where we are.
The short term plan has worked in a financial sense but on the pitch it has come at a cost.
Now with the arrival of the manky mob we have to alter our approach again to suit.
The extra Capital should allow that to happen.
Monti tough question. Would you rather have their manager or ours?
It’s not a tough question at all, I look forward to welcoming a new Celtic manager in the summer.
If you are asking if I would accept Warburton as a Celtic manager, then I would say no.
Thanks for writing this.
I’m cool about the “return” or “Rangers”. The Second rangers incarnation played in the league below, got enough points to win the league, therefore they are rightfully being promoted. How a team coming from below can “welcome the chase” is confusing, but Sevconomics and Sevcologic take a special level of delusion and entitlement I just can’t muster, thankfully.
For Celtic, yes it probably will on balance be a good thing.
Having another derby game will like, love or hate it bring more interest (commercial revenue) attendances and pressure, all of which are good things.
I know feelings are high wrt Resolution 12 and the lack of appropriate restorative justice wrt Rangers but when it comes down to the game I cant see fans not attending and leaving Celtic Park to them to sing their songs of cultural heritage. Ahem.
Like you say it must surely wake up the slumbering boardroom at Celtic park and focus some minds on actually making our team better and our squad more balanced – I d instigate a ban on singing any midfielders this summer – and put a bit of fear into the players that they might actually have to go and win a sequence of games in order to secure the title
Lets not forget that despite all the preening in the press there are major issues to resolve over at Greyskull:
Fraud cases, asset ownership questions to resolve, the Supreme courts decision on EBTs (quite some time away by the look of it) and its possible consequences in being able to defend the farcical LNS review and judgement, lack of credit facility – the Second Rangers will not only be a different club than Rangers but operating in a different climate, no more easy credit, soft loans etc, they will have to try (not that they’ve done it so far) to live within their means and somehow make their books Financial Fair Play compliant if they hope to qualify and then be able to play in Europe.
All this while of course being expected by their fans, driven on by a drooling media to mount a real challenge to us. All brilliantly set up for them to overheat and try spending money they don’t have and possibly risk killing their tribute act the same way they killed the original Rangers
With Hearts and Aberdeen having used the last few years well in terms of sorting our their financial then playing situation it will be a real challenge next year with points being dropped when any of these four teams come up against each other.
Right now the sense of supremacy and hubris that killed Rangers is enveloping their fans once more, great I say, let them delude themselves they are ready to take us on, let them howl at the moon when the penny drops that there is a real difference in standard of the two leagues, let them “demand” money be spent to close that gap, let them squirm over the next 12 months as legal situations embarrass them about Sevco and the real nature of their club’s history and lets cheer on the hoops as we go for six in a row.
We welcome the chase
No thanks for the reply Elcomarco that’s an excellent post and pretty much covers the way I view their emergence.
I reckon both Aberdeen and Hearts will cause them great difficulty next Season.
You are totally bang on about the delusion,the media fed whipping up the sense of entitlement (not that they need that down ra peepul way).
The fact is though our League could do with more Investment and if that Investment comes at a price for the forces of darkness then for me at least it’s a win,win all round.
They currently stand about £18m debt they have a squad full of Loans that will need replacing in the summer so again that’s a further drain on whatever resource they have to hand.
I also gather there are issues with 3 of the 4 stands that will need attention so yet more money to pull out of Warbutons Magic hat.
The best thing that can happen is we destroy them at Hampden this would I think generate pressure from both their support and the MSM to blow money they obviously do not have.
In my view Charlie, every team in the Prem will cause them problems apart from Kilmarnock who will lie down. We are in danger of starting to believe all the MSM bullshit. This is not a team the equal of Hearts when they came up and they are not burning up the grass to catch Celtic no matter how bad people think we are this season. I hope The Celtic players are not believing that this is nothing but an average second league team we will be playing in the cup. Unless Sevco spend big ( which is not going to happen) they are never going to compete with the also rans next season never mind Celtic . We are the Champions let’s start behaving like it throughout the club , supporters and the team.
We are heading towards 5 in a row towards the Ten. We are not going to be diverted from this by a second rate Sevco team or any of their supporting cast . COYBIG. ☘☘☘
Think ChrisBhoy is right the players ,most of them anyway are good players but our coaching staff are utter sh**e.Ronny has proven time and time again he hasn,t a clue how to change things during a game,and his assistants are as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike.I was a believer in his system at the outset but now realise Monti was right all along the guy is totally out of his depth even in the SPL never mind the champions league.
That would explain the fact we have lost 3 games in the League and sit on top of the table with 5 points to spare.
I thought Ronny brought Rogic on against Kilmarnock? To score the Goal of the season winner. ☘☘☘
Shhh… Dan there’s an agenda to be placated bud 😉
Lawwell and the board will not be releasing greater funds for a better quality of player any time soon, just because they are making an appearance. If this is the case then board Celtic Park up! Is this the limit of our ambitions? Hanging around waiting to play them four times a season so hat we can sing the old party tunes. What a rip off! I am not supporting this shite any longer.Let’s face it the game is rigged and we are part of the team rigging it. We have facilitated thei
return as we have acquiesced with the corruption art the SFA. The champagne corks will have been popped on Tuesday in the boardroom at Celtic Park to toast the ‘return’ of our partners in crime. The ‘Old Firm’ indeed. Forget about them, we need to clear out the Old Firm directors and supporters from within our own ranks. Until that day my hard earned is staying in my pocket. No more substandard NB jerseys for the kids or season tickets to attend 9 games waiting for the rest of the support to give a shit while they are waiting for their second team to roll up at Celtic Park. And who do we have in mind as the next dream team to manage the club. Some unemployable ex-Celt who might take the job if he can’t get a start with any of the top 50 clubs in England. what a glorious future the club has. I thought we were independent of them? Sure doesn’t seem like it when we have to wait for them to play against to invest int he future of the club. Pathetic. We don’t bleive we are a CL club, it is a bonus for these guys but we have our blue brothers so that is OK. it is not the 1950s or 1960s and this is not the club I want to support. No more. Boycott the semi! or did they really survive?
We are not a Champions League level outfit haven’t been for 4 years John.
That just so happened to coincide with the implosion at Mordor..coincidence?
I don’ think so and as for the “stand alone” pish being spun by Lawwell well if we were losing £5-10m a Season that cannot be true can it?
The fact we had to alter our approach to buying and selling what talent we had for the financial gain sort of put’s that claim to bed does it not?
We have been downsizing since the O’Neill era which just so happen to coincide with Lawwells appointment?
Coincidence?…again I think not.
All part of the plan.
Lawwell was an Accountant by trade I gather before taking on the Celtic Job.
His wage and Bonus have multiplied 5 and 10 times in his 10 years or so as Chief Exec of Celtic.
Not bad work if you can get it.
beat barcelona and qualified for the last 16 after they died
qualified for the group stages the following season (regardless of performance we still won a game)
weve went back the way since one event, sinnce ronny took over
Sounds like a good time to renew my season ticket next season, will get the choice of the best seats in the house.☘☘☘
charlie s have you read phil macs latest if so what do you think
The point is most people connected with Celtic are happy to just play them. They are delighted to be part of the terrible Old Firm. therefore we all scramble for tickets for the quarterly hate-fest and pray we can meet them in the cups as well. Why bother playing the rest of them at all. Just play each other 36 times a year and give the punters what they want. Just bin all ambition, settle as two west of Scotland football clubs literally battling it out fortnightly. i cannot go back to the Old Firm pish and won’t. But no doubt some other keen punter who has taken the past four years off will gladly buy my ticket to a endless, pointless rivalry. Never getting better, just exactly the same. year in tear out. Substandard English reject players and unemployable managers with a few promising foreigners to be sold on asap. Is this really worth 500 quid a year.
Rangers 2…yet the SPFL website states Rangers Football Club founded 1872 honours 117….and UEFA,The ASA,ECA and SFA all agree…even the Wee Red Book agrees….your a weird bunch you Pacific Shelfers…you inhabit some bizarre alternative univers where the inhabitants think that by ignoring facts and repeating drivel it somehow becomes a fact..as I said weird bunch.
Help me out here. From whom did Charles Green purchase the assets to set up tbe new club? Take your time….
Charles Crighton,
” We wish the NEW Rangers club every success ” – Walter Smith.
Lol
Monti why did you not just tell that Hun to Fuck off? Iwill take any amount of snash from real Celtic men but not from those cheating B’s.☘☘☘
chuckles, a question….
why did you not gain entry to european football after finishing 2nd season 2011/2012?
why did you not receive prize money for said season?
why did you start the scottish cup against forres mechanics in round one season 2012/2013?
why at one point in the summer of 2012 was there 2 rangers?
why where so many of your players allowed to leave for free?
why are you only an associate member of the spfl?
why has the highest court in scotland say the club ended in october 2012?
whats your understanding of the phrase “purchased a basket of assets?”
what does liquidation mean?
any educated answer to the above shall be accepted
Rajurny isn’t over. The debt they’ve accrued as a result of it might see rajurney end in an explosive fireball for the sevco zombies.