“Slow, unwanted, not fit for purpose, should never be a leader when his team are in such a terrible crisis and needing substantial inspiration and assistance”….that was just some of the patter being bandied about by Jeremy Corbyn when he heard about Scott Browns Celtic falling down and fouling up in a 2-1 defeat to Aberdeen. To be fair to Brown whose form is seriously under question at the moment, Corbyn’s comments could have been applied to Craig Thomson, How the hell is he still refereeing, a totally blind bat would be more useful or even give Neil McCann and his infamous rule book a try out. Thomsons yellow card on Considine is one of the poorest decisions of a truly terrible refereeing career. For gods sake even Neil McCann agreed it was a red!
To be honest, as soon as I heard Charlie Mulgrew and Bombscare Boyata were to be the centre pairing, it was clear we wouldn’t have a clean sheet. Boyata actually did well up to a point, and then Craig Thomson did the rest with a crazy penalty decision, endorsed by an equally stupid Andy Walker whose cries of “Boyata..You don’t jump in” were promptly confirmed in the replay showing the Aberdeen player literally launching himself into the bewildered Boyata. Boyata will no doubt slowly be coming to realise what he is up against here in Scotland.
The referee was abysmal, but that’s not the worse thing , the worse thing is Celtic were non existant, bar leigh Griffiths who continues to try and drag our husk of side along on his own. Losing is something we don’t do often in Scotland, and my how it hurts, especially to a team led by Derek McInnes. A veteran Hoops fan named Vince who sits next to me in Celtic Park said “There’s something not right in that dressing room son, listen …they don’t even speak to each other”. Well Vince, It looked at Pittodrie as if they had never played together let alone speak together.
Dear Ronnie, mind that “One day we could have more possession than Barcelona” patter…well when was our main plan “Just punt it to Griffiths?”. I know half of you are now screaming “It got the goal” …yip it did, and it also resulted in a side with the lightest midfield I have seen in many a year wearing a Celtic jersey. Tom Rogic might be good at 5-a-sides in the sun but on a wet windy Aberdeen, he was literally blown away. Stefan Johansen has fallen so far in my eyes I often forget hes even playing, that sums up his efforts. Nir Boton did one of his nice turns at one point and that’s it. As for Scott Brown, the guy is like a lame chicken without a head these days. Give him a rest Ronnie, something seems amiss. Oh and Gary Mackay Stevens was playing, I think.
Anyone screaming at this point “The sending off that wasn’t would have changed the game” should remember Aberdeen had a guy sent off and still won. The second goal was just another question to an under siege Ronnie “What’s the fecks going on at set pieces?” Have Ronnie and John Kennedy just decided to go play Scrabble rather than take the team through defensive drills? What’s happened to Craig Gordon?..hes developed Forsteritis and wont come from his line these days.
By now you realise this is just one of those “Oh for fuxake” rants. After the CL exit, the slow decline has now been confirmed. The lauded “Early planning” which we all heralded has been shown to be a joke every time the bloated Ciftci tries to come on and actually touch the ball let alone get into the game. The days of anticipating the Ronnie Roar are now days of anticipating a Ronnie Roarback. It looks like time for tough love and some tough decisions, either that or its finger in the air and hope for the best!
Will our new centre half pairing of Boyata and Jozo Simunovic heal the uncertainty at the back?
Will we get the real Scott Brown back..cant Stuart Armstrong step in and lift the load of the beleaguered Broonie?
How long can Leigh Griffiths shake off the knocks he’s picking up in every game?..lose him and theres no goals or even opportunities coming our way.
The Ajax scout was in the stands at Pittodrie..he saw absolutely nothing to fear. Celtic look like a team confused at the back, light in the middle and alone up front. The lack of leadership and cohesion is worrying and the quicker it can be addressed the better. Could Ronnie soon be hoping for a Tony Stokes form recovery like the one that saved Neil Lennon..that is the sort of committed performance Ronnie needs from his players, none are turning up bar Leigh Griffiths.
So Ronnie now has a million questions that need facing, the fitbaw answer is up to Ronnie and his team to solve, for the fans, its that time again, buckle down and prepare for a stormy ride, avoid the papers ( I know you do already) and just smile for the next few months as we go through more “transition” to hopefully regain our place at the top during or just after the Xmas period. least now you all know what I want for Xmas now. For Peter Lawwell, he can go add another reason to cry at that red stained balance sheet as people suddenly decide “Europa League?..£70 quid…for that?..whats the point?”
Whats your thoughts…am I talking pish, been on the melodrama-buie too much last night or are we really struggling?
regards
Desimond
Keep the faith. It was just one of those days, wet and windy. Ronnie does need to adjust his coaching staff, passing hasn’t improved this last year. So some man is not doing his job.
” keep the faith ”
FFS!!!!
Deila needs to be removed asap, he is clueless.
Celtic are in a horrific downward spiral under the direction of Mr Lawwell and his Norwegian puppet and if the PLC think the past years financial results were bad, they aint seen nothing yet.
I put on a post earlier..(it’s gone missing)…
which agreed with this one of yours.
Never been a Ronny fan…doesn’t look like I ever will be.
CORRECT!
Griffiths was greedy we never had an other effort at goal much was down to his greed.
Brown ? He will be back but not goo his best , for me its him or Johanson not both , defence first game together it showd but chasing game at 1 nil to us crazy , not remember malmo ?
Gordon at fault with winner defence missing .
Ref hunbelievale
As one of the few who has never jumped on the Ronny bandwagon…
This has come as no surprise to me.
Whilst I agree that some of the players aren’t up to the standard we need..and some are struggling for form at the moment..
my complaint..and it’s always been there…is the style in which we play.
Basically it’s crap…and needs to change…quckly.
Scottish coaches like McInness have us sussed…and we’ve become so easy to play against.
Andybhoy beat me to it…but his post says it all.
We are heading in the wrong direction.
Mike Bhoyle,
What hurts the most for me is that deep down I know Deila can’t take us forward, it isn’t his fault entirely because the board are fuckwits, but Deila’s Celtic is going backwards.
Beaten by a 10 man Aberdeen is bad enough at anytime, but what is worse is that it isn’t a surprise….
Fucking shocking!
Cacked crest time again.. Celtic lose football match shocker.
Imagine if we lose to Ajax?
Same shite different season.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Charlie…are you happy/content/ or no bothered about the we play?
Seriously..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
No sure what this means Andy ?
Just responding to ronny’s best pal Charlie Saiz.
Charlie Saiz,
Are you Peter Lawwell?
If I was then Finnbogason would have been leading the attack,Lennon would still be the manager and Aberdeen may still have won the game.
Whaur’s ma literary offering ?
Whoah, that sounds like me a year ago, before I ate my humble pie. First, we should agree on how to spell “Ronny” or “Ronnie”? I say “Ronny”. Second, we won’t get many MIB decisions for us and have to get used to it. Let’s look at some things. We’ve let in 8 goals so far and last year only allowed 17 all season! We need quickly to sort a central pairing that works. Boyata is looking naive and clumsy and has some bombscare stuff that reminds me of Ambrose.
We need to score that vital second goal and quick, putting pressure on teams.
We are weak at defending corners.
We should score more corners ourselves.
We get so many chances and yet….
We score too few goals.
We need to try a different formation, domestically at least.
We need to put out our best 11 every time. Today for example.
Here is our best starting 11 at the moment:
Gordon
Janko/Simunovic/Blankett/Izzy
Rogic/Bitton (rest Broonie)
Forrest/Commons/Armstrong
Griffiths
We also need to see what Allan can do to help
However, our wonderful 4-2-3-1 is NOT scoring enough goals.
Forget Lawwell for now. Spending money to buy success doesn’t always work. Hate to say it, but Sevco is a good example. Let’s just love the ones we’re with. We’re plenty good enough to turn over Aberdeen.
Now,Ronny needs to find our best 11. Early days yet and as Hearts fades out of the picture, it will be just us and the sheep, who are next away to Inverness and Hearts. They’ll drop their first points there. We had to lose to them sooner or later and with the normal expected refereeing shite, sooner was better.
Ronny also needs to speak up about truly crap refereeing decisions or else the Masons in Black will walk all over him, as they did until MON and Lenny came along.We knew they would give a penalty to Aberdeen having given one to us. That’s a strange notion of “fairness.”
Our team should be scoring 4-5 goals a game whilst mostly keeping clean sheets. So, Ronny, bhoys make it so!
A bad day at the office. Stay calm, take a deep breath.
Mair like: “Treading water, not waving, not drowning but need to take more swimming lessons…quickly!”
Roll on Ajax! Aargh….
Be kind to those around you and don’t let poor football results affect your sex life!
Don’t panic.
Nobody is asking to spend any money.
I am, because we fucking need to!
I hate to say it but you are correct.
Last year ronnie asked us to be patient whilst he got the team to play his way. And when we beat Aberdeen last year it looked as though he was right.
Now, one year later, we were beaten by the same team and not with a team that Lennon left him. It’s his team that he bought.
No excuses ronnie, lately, we have not looked like a threat attacking and apart from Leigh scoring goals from difficult positions, we don’t look capable of breaking any half decent Defence. You have changed the midfield so much, I don’t think you can see the despair in the eyes of those on the bench. Why did you extend Chris commons contract? He is not in your plans. Why? God help us against Ajax.
I, like most supporters have been given ronnie our support but I cannot see the synergy in our team. And niether does Scott brown.
Please prove me wrong. Please.
take your green goggles off. aberdeens penalty was a stonewaller. boyata is an absolute clown and he just barged him over. same thing happened at inverness last year against scott brown and thompson didnt give it and we all screamed cheat.
time to stop blaming the refs and time to start looking at our own club. the board, to the manager, to the players. none are fit for purpose right now.
if you think boyata was playing well up to the “crazy penely decision” then you should start watching pub football. he had misplaced half a dozen simple passes and missed a few easy headers before he speared the aberdeen player to the ground.
yes thompson had his usual shocker against us, but we expect that. we need to look at the managers tactical ineptitude and the players lack of defensively abilities and lack of creativity. how commons cant get into the side is beyond me. rogic was lazy and slow and got caught on the ball all afternoon. johansen just barged people over all day. griffiths was the only one making any effort today. its hard to criticise gordon after his heroics last season, but maybe he needs a rest. hes been sloppy for a few weeks now. utilise the squad.
commons and girffiths, in my opinion, saved wrongy deilas job last season, and i suspect around november he’ll realise again that he has to turn to him, but im concerned thqat it could be too late by then. we will be five points behind aberdeen on wednesday and its only week two of september. those who think everything will be ok and we’ll win the league anyway need to start looking around at wghats actually happening. out of the cl three times ina year and now and about to be trailing aberdeen by five points is something that should be concernign fans.
Andy b. Like you I am puzzled why no Chris Commons today and recently. He has always done well against Aberdeen and sometimes in the recent past, was the only goal threat we had against the sheep. I thought Commons might be the centre of three, with Forrest and Mackay-Steven on either side. With WGS I almost gave up second-guessing the team selection and Lenny was sometimes even worse. I’ve now given up playing common-sense games about Ronny’s selections.
There are 4, 5 or 6 I wouldn’t have started today, for lots of different reasons. Although I share these worries and concerns, like our prophet Charlie Saiz, I think/pray it will all come good.
I am worried about Ajax though.
My reference to money was because Lawwell was mentioned. My concern is not about spending any more money but making the most of what we now have until the next transfer window, if our “strike” force lasts that long. We need someone else who can score goals besides Griffiths. It’s possible Broonie, Johansen and Armstrong are all carrying knocks but not saying so.
I agree it’s not about spending money, but why do we take 1 year loan contracts on guys that 1, have no intention to stay and 2, they unrest Their team mates, who have pledged loyalty to the team by signing for the long term. You can’t tell me there is unity in the dressing room. We were beaten by a more determined and United team today. We can’t blame the red, the masons or anyone else. Scott brown is a very frustrated guy who is running around like he did when he first joined Celtic now he is being criticised. The guy needs support. He is everything a Celtic player should be. Committed to the end.
The Lawwell reference was included after Peters “Well the accounts deficit shows we have backed the Manager”…hmmm wonder how much of that rings true
As for Chaz…i simply put my view..no calls for anything..just a state of the nation as i see it and asked for others views..
The state of the Celtic nation as I see it is we drop point in the League and all hell breaks loose.
Christ we drop points 2 weeks in a row it’s the spannish inquisition.
Just an observation.
spanish’
Bad result and a bad performance, it happens; if it happens too often I’ll get worried but our first domestic defeat away to the second best team in the league does not a catastrophe make.
My concern was that it took a break in January last season for the squad to come together under the manager and from there we went on a great run and performances picked up. The games are coming so thick and fast, but I don’t want to have to wait until January before this squad decides to get their finger out. Too many empty shirts out there, and some players are getting picked on reputation rather than form.
There are problems to solve, but let’s solve them rather than lazily calling for the managers head. He must get it sorted but I’m sure he can, until then the players and manager need our support.
Spot on.
See a calm response to a shite day at the office.
I’m guessing Gerry might be old enough to remember losing 3 games on the bounce and praying for a result at Aberdeen?
Some perspective? We were champions by 17 points last season. Our really bad patch came after about 7 or 8 matches.
2015. 7 games: won 5, drew 1, lost one. (16 points)
17 goals for, 8 against.
2014. 7 games: won 4, drew 2, lost one.
15 goals for 6 against. (14 points)
A priority for Thursday is to get our back four sorted. The Europa League is a league so there isn’t the same pressure about away goals.
Thursday:
Gordon
Janko/Simunovic/Blackett/Izzy
Brown/Bitton (or Allan/Rogic)
Forrest/Commons/Armstrong
Griffiths
subs: Bailly/Ambrose/Mulgrew/Rogic/Ciftci
/Mackay-Steven/Allan
Consider: resting Brown, Bitton, Johansen, Armstrong, Boyata, Mulgrew
I’m assuming we’ll lose so we can risk some of our new bhoys.
Devoy,
Based on Blackett’s performance today, what did he do to merit a game on Thursday?
Goodbye Ronny,
Take Boyata, Mulgrew, Ambrose and Blackett with you!
We are a fucking shambles and my patience has run out, we are now regularly losing big games and this is worrying.
Looking at Deila’s time he should have fucked off after the Maribor game.
We are a soft touch, why did Lustig play today? out injured for weeks but thrown into the biggest domestic game of the season?
One up front is a total fucking joke, if we were playing one up front and scoring freely I wouldn’t give a fuck, but we aren’t are we?
If we lost Griffiths to injury, that leaves us with Ciftci who needs games to build fitness and confidence, and Stokes, who has basically been told he isn’t wanted. It is a fucking shambles.
I repeat, we are a soft touch and I fear the worst in Amsterdam.
Sorry Ronny, no wait I’m not fucking sorry, just go now!
Nurse…….
Juergen klopp anyone do you think he would come to us
Good shout Steven,
But this board aren’t interested in ambition or aiming for the stars.
Cmon guys, i’m not saying that i’m overly impressed by performances so far, but I remember the reaction to Ronnie last year at this time wasnt good although no one was moaning at the end of the season. Still a lot of time to go and a fair few new players who have to bed in. Have to say I have been really disappointed in gms form this season, been a passenger in every game hes played.
Another well balanced and sensible post.
GM-S has looked off the pace been ok in flashes but at Celtic we need more than that.
Thought Johansen was improved today but still not near his best.
Charlie Saiz,
So any opinions that display a lack of belief in Deila, are not well balanced?
We should be happy losing big games and when we do lose said bog games, it was just a bad day at the office?
Jesus H.Christ!
Big
Where is this high tempo game we wer promised its pass across back slow slow slow and players look fucked just now in September.
Wingers that can’t beat a man and if they do cross is crap.
Watch corners for Celtic players get blocked or pushed or manhandled, corners against opposition players stroll about with not a care free to attack the ball, we are a weak team in strength and to easy pushed about.
We made Berger look like a world beater! Something is wrong at Celtic, this isn’t a team. Commons should be on the team sheet every week to help Grif with the goals
He’s too slow and fails to track back.
Not what’s needed in a side who want to press and close.
Charlie Saiz,
Do you think Ronny Deila has the first fucking clue what he’s doing?
Could you give examples?
Sorry Berget
We will get fucked on Amsterdam on Thursday, anyone thinking ‘ we might sneak a result ‘ is insane.
We are shite!
In….FFS…sorry, I blame the redstripe…. Of which I am drinking many.
Another shambolic performance, this is probably one of the most boring Celtic teams i have seen in nearly 20 years. Can’t pass , don’t score enough, no communication and most of all no passion. Thursday night should see the end of Ronny it’s going to be a 5 niler to the dirt bags.
Totally agree!
We will be lucky to gain 3 points in this group I fear, though I hope I’m wrong, but Deila’s record suggests a torrid time.
20 ganes played and 8 wins, 4 of which were against the two Icelandic teams.
Gordon Strachan
Please it can’t be that bad, I do not mind WGS but he is not the one, would someone give Paul Lambert a phone call.
This team is pure shite.
HH
Tourtenay,
Lambert is possibly a good shout, I have lost complete faith in Deila, he talks a good game but isn’t getting the results in the big games.
After the Champions league carry on last year, especially the Maribor home game, I wanted him gone initially but turned around and gave him a chance.
IT ISN’T WORKING!!
the guy is out his depth and the board are doing little to help him.
As for Deila’s transfer moves and decisions, they have to be scrutinised, we are constantly selling our best players and replacing them with youngsters, but expecting miracles ( group stage qualification) from them?
It is a flawed policy by a flawed board,assisted by an average manager.
Embarrassed by Legia Warsaw twice, embarrassed by Maribor, embarrassed by Malmo….how much evidence do we need?
Between the board and Deila they are fucking it up big time?
Ambrose, Boyata, Izaguirre are surplus add to that the name of Stokes.
Craig Gordon is scared to come off his line time and time again.
Why was Lustig brought back yesterday, he couldn’t have been fit.
Fuck it, I could go on all day.
For me it’s just not working with Deila but this fucking board need the support to turn on them.
I heard Peter Lawwell come out with a quote recently ” we try to be world classic everything we do “…. You must be having a fucking laugh son.
” World class ” would have been implementing the living wage before being ashamed into it.
Being ” world class ” would be having the ability to bring in external funding to put a team on the park that is capable of reaching the Champions league every season.
Being ” world class ” would be keeping your best players for longer while adding more top players while our best ones are still with us.
Being ” World class ” would mean treating our support with pride and consideration.
Keep the faith….faithful through and through…..aye ok Peter, we all have faith, we will always be there.
I just don’t have any faith in you Deila or some of our players.
Remember and roll out the ‘ Celtic – a club like no other’ banner out for the top tier of the Lisbon Lions stand for the European games, keep this shite up and you’ll need 3 or 4 of these banners!
I would play this team back four of izzy, simunovic, mulgrew (is a good player if given a run, remember player of the year as left centre back) and lustig.
midfield should be bitton and armstrong (brown and johansen need rested) attacking three in front of them gms on left , commons in the middle and forrest right with griff up front.
allan and rogic could also play attacking midfield. This to me is a good side , commons being left out for johansen in current form is a joke, i think the constant changing of the team every game is the main reason we look so shaky.
No passion to win or put your head in where it will get hurt, I’m not seeing Boyo lasting with us! gave away penalty and does not command at all in the centre of defence, drop GMS and give Allan a shot……gutted but forever Celtic!!
Hes our 2nd top goalscorer with 5, 2 for us and 3 against us.
Well, I wisnae expecting a knees up when I came to the site, but jeezo it’s a bit of an over reaction. Sure, it’s disappointing and yes we’re all desperate to see the team come out of the traps and play great fitba’ and dominate, We can justifiably criticize certain players and even management, but there’s no need to turn savage or press the panic button.
My impression is that there IS something wrong in the dressing room….maybe Ronny gave them a roasting after Malmo and some of them have taken the huff leaving him to take the flak for their disinterest. Whatever it is, I back the manager 100%…the players have to get their attitude sorted….or move on. It’s very easy for players to sabotage a manager’s job through deliberately bad performances, it wouldn’t be the first time it has happened.
I do agree though that this 1 up front system is not the way to cause teams problems and make us free scoring.
Funkyy,
If you back Deila then that’s your right of choice….
We all want to see Celtic winning, strong and feared as a side.
If you think Celtic are going in the right direction tho….Could you give an example?
Charlie Saiz…
Going by your posts…
You’re either Peter Lawwell…or Dave King.
Either way…you do us no favours.
To be fair to boyata it was never a penalty, I think that the people that dont like deila are getting in their tuppensworth right now, it might be the only chance they will get. You would think they would learn from last year.
Are you for real?
I have not seen any performance that I would be thrilled by under this nonentity from day one.
His team is an absolute bore and is it any wonder that season ticket sales are as low as they were for our season at Hampden.
It’s not a case of disliking Deila, it’s a case of disliking the shit that’s served up week in week out.
Bigbhoy,
” Tuppensworth,people who don’t like Deila,only chance they might get “??
What a lot of shite!
Celtic is more than a club to me, it is a dominant part of my life and we are underachieving…big time.
Nobody wants or wanted Deila to fail, we want him to be successful….
We are losing big games and there are blinding reasons for this, start with the boardrooms ‘ policies’, a cheap option manager, sub standard players.
If there is a Celtic fan out there today who isn’t asking hard questions of the club…..start to!
Oh for a big hard man not like Brownie who everyone’s sees what he does but a guy like Alan Thompson someone who will not be bullied far to weak no balls
Monti:
If you cant get fucked in Amsterdam there’s no hope for you!:)
I have never had sex in Amsterdam………Maastricht is OK tho!
Andybhoy
‘Season Ticket Sales as as low as they were for our season at Hampden ‘ – Hampden Season Ticket Sales 19k ( I was there with my family and always will be). Current Season Ticket Sales over 40k . If you want to retain any credibility for your obnoxious views at least get your facts right. It’s easy to be a ‘Tim’ when all is well but the real Tims stand by their team through thick and thin . C’mon The Hoops
Obnoxious? really. Season ticket sales are nowhere near 40k.
I had a season ticket through the 80’s and 90’s and have supported them through thick and thin.
What I meant was the first season back in the new stadium after Hampden.
If you are happy with being taken for a mug when the CEO is taking nearly a £1m out of the club on the back of player sales, then you are welcome to it.
Another thing, in reference to your real Tim jibe, what is it with guys like you? Somebody dares to question the inability of the powers running the club and you get that shit flung in your face.
Maybe I just care too much.
Totally agree with you Andybhoy,
If anyone wants rid of Deila, then we automatically have only been following Celtic since 2001!
FFS!
You don’t care too much Andy, you care how the team is doing and where we are going.HH!
You stand by the club , as opposed to the team . The team is just passing through ; to be replaced by another team . The club on the other hand , is permanent ( as are we the fans).
The team represents the club , and we as fans have a right to demand the best possible, i.e. realistically possible , representation for us and our club .
There’s an element of ” you get just what you’re prepared to accept”
going on.
This club is massively under-achieving on all fronts , even given the confines we work in .
We should be qualifying to the CL groups regularly.
We’re in the group of ” champions of smaller leagues” and we’re seeded.
No more Arsenal or Ajax in the qualifiers , just Slovenians, Swedes,Kazakhs etc .
We desperately need the CL money, and it’s definitely gettable.
DD needs to be made aware that continual failure to achieve this goal is NOT acceptable.
If that means the manager leaving , then so be it.
If that means PL leaving , then so be it.
If that means DD leaving , then so be it.
This is not being dis-loyal to the team.
It’s being loyal to the club.
Well put jpm.
Andybhoy, I watched celtic under Neil lennon and for me that was boring turgid football i would much rather watch deilas team evrytime.for you to say that there has not been one good performance under deila clearly indicates that you dont watch celtic regularly or that you have a chip on your shoulder as regards the manager.
Fuck off.
I watch every game that Celtic play and even development team games.
You seem to be one of these clowns that have bought into all the shite that Deila comes out with.
Near;ly as many gullibles in Paradise as their is over at poundland.
there
By the way, I never mentioned Lennon’s team and your’e correct, there was some poor fare served up under him.
I never said there was no good performances under Deila, I said thrilled.
Just as under, Lennon there has been some good performances, but they have been few and far between and what I see on a regular basis under Deila is a team with no passion, direction and a team set up not to lose rather than win with a bit of flair and all this I talk about is within the confines of the Scottish game.
Europe….. that’s another matter all together.
Under the ‘great visionary’ we have played 20 games and won 8, 4 of which were against the two Icelandic teams.
For those going to the Ajax game take some condoms as we are about to be fucked so lets make it safety first.
You ribbing us up?
In one corner, Monti and the “Ronny must go” bhoys. In the other corner, me and Charlie Saiz and a few other emerald spectacle dipsticks.
I disagree totally with C. Saiz about Commons. His value is not tracking back and never was. His value is manufacturing goals out of nothing.
Monti, I didn’t see the Aberdeen match live or otherwise so suggested Blackett as a back four at Amsterdam because:
Boyata is not reliable
Lustig is carrying a knock.
Ambrose is equally not reliable
Let’s see what Simunovic is made of
Mulgrew is too slow.
So, Blackett wins by default.
Going way back, some managers pick the team sheet to save face. If you sign somebody who is no good, you can’t admit it can you? MON, WGS and Lennon did this regularly so how can we fault Ronny for it?
Sevco supporters claimed to me the other day that their team could now easily turn us over in any cup this year and will win the top league easily next year. Discuss.
My posts are not appearing! This happens anytime I mention “Sevco”. Conspiracy?
I forgot this statistic. History:
Winning four or more League championships in a row has happened 7 times:
Celtic 9
Old Rangers 9* (*financial doping)
Celtic 6
Old Rangers 5
Celtic 4 (this year)
Celtic 4
Old Rangers 4
It’s a Sevco conspiracy Devoy.
I did say in midweek that I feared the worst in this game and was proved correct, even though some strange decisions from the referee didn’t help. No control whatsoever at the moment, the team look as though they have never met each other before and are showing signs of returning to a Mowbray-esque level The defence is brutal and in recent games even Craig Gordon has been suspect. The midfield is chronic, Brown is out of former unfit, Johansen is too busy being a wannabe hard man, Biton trying to many step overs,etc and ending up losing possession and GMS has been poor this season, then we take on Forrest who as usual can skin defenders then waste the pass/cross/shot and Ciftci who looks like a lost boy. I have given Ronny the benefit of doubt, but am beginning to despair as we’re playing as bad as I can remember for quite a while, put it like this, it will be no surprise to me if we finish bottom of our Europa league group.
If we get more than 3 points in this group I will be very surprised.
Better to be poor at the beginning of the season than at the end. Im hearing the same things that I heard at the start of last season, but the critics were silent when it looked like we were on course for a treble, and if we are all honest one of thwle worst decisions ever cost us the treble. I can see the season going the same way, the treble is a real possibility again.
Yes it does feel like the start of last season.
However , we’re supposed to be improving , moving forward from last year , NOT back to square one.
That’s the point most on here are making.
We have lost the two best central defenders we have seen for some time. It will take a few matches to get an effective pairing again.
Here’s who we can choose from:
Lustig
Mulgrew
Ambrose
Boyata
Simunovic
Blackett
I think Thursday night will tell us a lot. I expect us to lose in Amsterdam. I also expect us to finish second in our group, behind Ajax.
Fenerbache will win the group.
To think many used to moan at the central defensive partnership of Caldwell and McManus, who compared to the current centre backs look like Vidic and Stones!!
Good one.
I remember Mowbray and Gillespie…..scary!
When I saw the team yesterday thought we only have 1 player who can score. Don’t rate Johanson runs around a lot but does not play the killer pass or score enough for me also leaves LG stranded on his own.He should be cutting open defences like he did for the first goal against Malmo on a regular basis. As far as I can see Ronnie like last year has to stat playing Commons again or it will be curtains for him. I thought we improved last year but we have not improved this season and the loss of VWD and Daynarer was huge. Boyata was rated quit highly at city so I am still hopeful of him growing into the role.
Will Ronnie learn from his mistakes ? If he doesn’t IMO he will not be here long. Cannot see anything but U.S. Getting horsed in the UEFA cup. I thought we were very luck to qualify last season we were outplayed for large parts of all our games and Craig Gordon saved us on numerous occasions.
Money where my mouth is:
Placing a bet.
In our Europa Group, to finish:
1-Ajax
2-Celtic
3-Fenerbahce
4-Molde
We will lose to Ajax away, beat them at home, beat Molde both home and away, lose in Turkey, win in Paradise=12 points.
I will also eat my emerald-coloured spectacles if this doesn’t happen.
Relax everybody, love our club, enjoy the (bumpy) ride.
The club will improve and Ronny will be ok, longer term.
Quick, my meds!
Love your optimism (or madness ).
Honestly can’t see it and Molde worry me to the extent that we may end up with the wooden spoon.
I’m really disappointed that this great site has plunged into in-fighting. Guys calling other posters “no much of a tim” and “clowns”, just because they have a different opinion from them. That stinks and is out of order. And we’re not a Tims only club either.
Monti, there have been games where almost to a man the posters here were praising the performance, saying that it looked like Ronny had them switched on to his way etc etc. When we were within touching distance of the treble there was silence from the anti Ronny side, except for them who suddenly claimed to have changed their opinion and now were converted to his philosophy. So now we hit a bad patch, and the dummies get thrown out of the pram and we turn on each other like mangy dogs…how the huns would love to read our site these past days.
I’m in no way happy about the failure to qualify, nor about the Aberdeen game (which I have just downloaded and am about to watch closely)…but I’m a long way from demanding the manager’s head and even further away from hurling insults at fellow Celts. And while it is a possibility that if the players don’t get the finger out quick we could get gubbed on Thursday, I still have the stomach to support the team going into this match, and I look forward to better times. HH.
Funkyy,
I hear you…….but as far as Deila is concerned I have had enough!
We are going backwards! HH!
Funkyy,
It’s not for me a question of not having the stomach to follow the team….Celtic as I have said before are a dominant part of my life and always will be.
What we are debating here is whether or not we are progressing under Deila, it is my opinion that we are not.
I do agree with you that we should not turn on each other tho, it’s not even turning on each other, it’s just frustration and disappointment.
We are a shambles of a team, particularly in defence. For not to attach a ball in the box, for Gordon not to come out for that goal is shocking. They haven’t a clue and you can stick your zonal marking up Ronnies arse.
He must go now – he was a cheap gamble and he still has no clue on his best team, thinks the formation is working – its NOT and I wont be back until he is gone.
“attack”
Zonal or man marking don’t matter if no one attacks the ball you loose goals
Craig Gordon get’s a lot of praise but he isn’t untouchable, he should be coming for balls into the box more than he does…and he should be fucking getting told that!
I agree ,
but there is a possibility he’s being told not to ??
Hopefully, the new guy Jozo Simunovic (?) will turn out to be the answer to the defensive weakness, or at least go a long way to tightening things up at the back, and bloody attacking crosses into the box. As far as the strikers are concerned, either Ciftci has to show something soon or we’ll have to dig deep and pay up in the next transfer window for a striking partner for Griffiths.
I refuse to believe that the Celtic management and board aren’t aware of the problems we have at the moment or that they think they can ignore them.
Let’s look on the bright side…it’s gonna be a bit more interesting in the league for a few games/months.
Nothing wrong with having a real fight on our hands for the title….there is however something wrong with our business ‘ model ‘!
FFS I JUST WANT TO WIN….
Agree Gordon has not been in the best of form.At the 2 nd goal he should have come for the ball and won it
Many times domestically and fewer times in Europe, our team has played really attractive passing, moving football. Gordon, Bitton, Brown, Forrest, Johansen, Commons, Armstrong, Mackay-Steven, Rogic, Griffiths and a few more have all played really well.
Johansen has been outstanding for us and he and Broonie never quit working for the team.
We’ve lost Denayer and Van Dijk. FFS that’s bound to have an effect.
Ciftci? The jury is still out.
I think a few tweaks and minor adjustments and our show will be back on the road.
These good players have not all of a sudden got bad.Maybe they are tired or carrying knocks?
Ronny has vision, passion and purpose. At least give him a few more years.
I was in the panicking anti-Ronny camp once because I was spooked, thinking back to Macari, Brady, Barnes and worst of all, Mowbray. Ronny has passed those tests. None of those guys did anything in Europe nor won a League Double in their first year. We were cheated out of a deserved treble— not Ronny’s fault.
By the way, we are all Celtic supporters and care about our club and its history. Personally, I haven’t seen much abuse on this site at all. Also, Celtic is a house of many rooms and I know lots of Protestants who support our club (one survey said 12% but I think it is much higher than that) To me, “Tim” doesn’t mean Catholic it means Celtic supporter. I am an atheist from a mixed Protestant-Catholic background. That is irrelevant. There are lots of views on this forum and that is good.
Believe me, this team will not disappoint us over the season.
One thing I’m curious about, if Deila had to go, what manager could we afford who would lead Celtic to glory but whose wages we could afford? I can’t think of a single one.
Warburton
The bit that bothers me is we paid a reported £5m for a central defender and don’t play him??? wtf is that about. I remember when we used to sign players and they went right into the team.If he is good enough to pay £5m he should be good enough to look at RD’s game plan and go out and do it.
I have a history of reacting to bad results (wanted Strachan out after shambolic debut, but probably wasn’t alone there!), so when Ronny was appointed I made the conscious decision to try to not get carried away either with results or performances, good or bad.
At the start of last season I wasn’t joining in the “Ronny’s crap” chat, just like I didn’t get too carried away when results and performances started to improve.
This was partly because of my conscious decision at the start of the season, but more to do with the fact I wasn’t convinced about Ronny either way.
Over a year into his reign I have to say I’m still not convinced. He talks a good game, that’s for sure and IF he is able to create a team that is as good as he says he will then fantastic. BUT I’m just not convinced. There are, in my opinion, absolutely no signs of progress, and I would say it cannot be argued that we are weaker individually and as a unit that we were last year. Much of this is to do with the sale of players (again), and the board have to take some responsibility for that also. However, our inability to do the absolute basics is terrifying. We have two former defenders in the coaching team, yet we can’t defend?
I’m still not getting carried away, and I’m certainly not shouting for Ronny to get sacked, but we need to see real signs of improvement and soon. We should be streets ahead of everyone else in Scotland, but that is clearly not the case.
Can anyone genuinely say with any degree of confidence that we would beat Sevco should we draw them in a cup?