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Celtic Diary Monday January 12: Guidetti To Stay ?

Swedish striker John Guidetti may have given a huge hint about staying in Glasgow. With the League cup semi final against Second Rangers just a few weeks away, he’s told the press what he wants from the game;

 “I fancy three goals. That is what I did against Ajax and that is the aim this time.

“The dream would be to score but the most important thing is we win.

“The Feyenoord v Ajax match was a big game. They are what I love the most. That is why I wake up in the morning.” 

Now, for those of us old enough to remember when Guidetti last found the net, there is a player in there, and perhaps we should ignore the  whispers that his mind might not be fully on the job. With high flying southampton in the EPL among those reputedly  interested, as they are coached by his former boss Ronald Koeman, he will have options.

But  the Swede reckons he wants to stay where he is;

“I want to play football and I’m really happy here. Everyone knows I love it at the club.

“It’s not affecting me at all. It’s not like I am thinking I don’t want to score because of my contract. No, that would be stupid.

“My agent will do what he does best. He doesn’t tell me to take the ball with the inside of my foot so I don’t tell him how to do his job.

“You don’t bring an electrician into your house and tell him how to fit the plugs.

“I am not worried. I am just so happy to wear the Celtic shirt. The rest will work itself out.” 

Although I am a bit worried he phones an electrician if he needs to fit a new plug.

That came from the Record, which seemed more interested in plugging the game against the Darkside, but Guidetti carried on talking, and De Telegraaf in the Netherlands carried on listening;

“If I come to Celtic Park and they sing my name it is a fantastic feeling. The fans have two, three songs for me. Just like in Rotterdam. 

“Feyenoord will always hold a place in my heart. The club, the people, the fans. I hope Feyenoord performs well and always watch what results they have achieved since I’ve had a great time there, but now I play for Celtic.. and I am also very happy.

“This is also a very nice club with great fans. It’s nice to see that fans of Feyenoord and Celtic well get along. 

As the Scottish press are always determined to sell our players on, the Dutch press were different. They wanted Guidetti to talk about Feyenoord, and possibly even joining them, but the forward only wanted to talk about Celtic, it seems;

 “Everything happens for a reason. I’ve been at Celtic seven-time Man of the Match, I’ve been Player of the Month, I made ​​eleven goals and six assists given (in all competitions) and I’ve played for the national team. “

“Then people still dare to say that I’ve chosen wrong. I am so proud of myself and so proud of everything I’ve done… This is just a fantastic achievement. And could it be better? Yes, it can be even better, but personally I think it’s fantastic.”

The grapevine tells us he is after around £35,000 a week, and of course Celtic won’t sanction that. Especially when Leigh Griffiths and Stefan Scepovic are on the books. It would also cause unrest amongst the regulars if Kris Commons was to be refused his two year deal, given what he has done for the club in the past, to pay for Guidettis wage.

 

Instead of paying a million here or there for players that may not adapt to Celtic, give the money to those who have proved they can. That includes Guidetti. Lets try to build something here, instead of selling on as soon as a decent offer comes in. Whuilst you can hardly blame the board for cashing in, thats the harsh economic reality, noting that Southampton beat Manchester United at Old Trafford yesterday it makes you wonder where we’d be if Victor Wanyama was still here. With Joe Ledley alongside him.

Sometimes its not just about the individual, its about the team, and you could argue that Ledley leaving, and the way he was ruthlessly told he was going, has had an effect on his pals Commons and Adam Matthews, neither of whom are quite the same player they were last year.

Throw Gary Hooper into the equation, and it perhaps makes everything a little clearer.

Footballers know that its the nature of the beast to be suddenly sold on, so sometimes a club has to make it less obvious that thats the plan from the start. Might help them to settle a bit easier if they have a sense of security.

If we do lose Guidetti, it might be worth looking at Manchester city again, because Edin Dzeko is available for a few months. With the English side signing Wilfred Bony, Dzeko will have dropped down the pecking order.

Its good to see that  Manchester City have returned to tradition and signed a guy called Wilf. A good old fashioned northern English name, although its unlikely he will do twelve hours down the pit before the game, and be forced to change into his strip on the bus down to the ground.

Though perhaps if he did supporters would respect players a little more.

Theres an interesting and refreshing claim from over Tayside way. Goalkeeper Rado Czierniak thinks his team could win the treble.

 “Everything is still possible for us and I believe we can win all three. Why not?

“We are a strong team and we can achieve it.

“People might laugh 
at me saying that but I don’t care. We will see what happens.

“Maybe in May we will have won the league and the cups and I will be laughing too.

“We have a very strong team and can win the league. Everyone here believes we can do it.”

 

 “At the start of the season I didn’t think about it as everyone knows in Scotland only Celtic and nobody else can win it.

“But now everyone has played each other twice and we’re confident.

“We believe we’re as good as Celtic. This is the strongest the league has been in the three seasons I have been in Scotland.

“Celtic are still strong but the rest of the teams have got stronger and are closer to them now.” 

 “The spirit is there in this team, the attitude is good and we believe we can win every game we play.”

 Its unlikely Dundee United will win all three. In fact, they’ll do well to win anything, given the amount of competition just lately amongst the leagues leading clubs. But what is significant is that Cziernak probably believes they can, and that makes a big difference within any player.

 In pre-Armageddon days, the two club dominance in Glasgow meant every other club would start the season knowing the best they could do was third, and possibly a good run in the cup.

 Thier way of thinking has changed. They now know they can win a cup, and that they have a second spot-which in years to come could be a Champions League spot-to chase.

 The liquidation and removal of Rangers from the scene meant that there were only three or four games a season when they would have to park the bus, and so other formations were tried, and several sides now don’t see its worth changing it when they play Celtic, hence the increase in “shock ” results. The other clubs are no longer afraid of playing the Hoops, but not because they think Deilas side are neatable, its more that they think they might as well have a go, and of course when they do snatch a result, it increases belief all around the league that this is indeed the way forward.

 Its a slow process, but there is genuine hope that the standard of football will continue to increase, and as a result, Scotland will soon be back amongst the top nations in Europe.

Ronny Deila seems to agree that its not so much that Celtic are bad, but that the other clubs are getting better. Aberdeen in particular.

 “It’s important to see behind things now. Aberdeen have done very well.

“It’s not that we have been bad – they have been very good. They’ve won eight league games in a row and in 11 games we have only one draw and one defeat.

“So our goal is to win the league, that’s the most important thing.

“We are going to keep focusing on the things we do. We know we are a strong squad and developing all the time.

“So my message is we need the energy fans give us. At home games and away games they need to support each other. We are very comfortable and are going to have a better second half of the season.” 

Time to get into the Tardis again, and back to 1966.

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Tom Campbell, who is probably reading this, will recognise this extract, from his Jock Stein The Celtic Years book;

Jock Stein extract

Stein told the players that Zurich would play exactly the same way at home as they had in Glasgow in the European cup tie first leg. Of course, the players will have doubted that, but the great man was proved right.

Deila has some way to go to earn that kind of trust, but his calmness and confidence are very similar to Steins. He does know what he wants, and how he wants to do it.

Perhaps all he needs are those shovel like hands of Steins to beat it into the players.

At first I thought Deila was a diddy. There are still times when I return to that opinion, and there will be times again when I shout it from the rooftops. The original cynicism , however, has been replaced by a kind of curiosity. Theres little doubt he has his theories, and there is litttle doubt that done correctly, they will be effective.

But its in the actual implementation  of the theory where he will be judged.

We need that ten in a row. It will cleanse us of the toxicity that hangs around the Ibrox Nine , which has, statistically at any rate, made our own original nine look like less of an achievement.

Hopefully, the signs that Deila can be a little pigheaded about things are also an indication of the inner strength required for such a task.

Lightening the mood a little, it appears that the Second Rangers board have rejected the latest takeover offer from Robert Sarver, the US businessman who really needs to have a look at his business advisor, and ask if he is really up to the job. In fact, perhaps Sarver should have a wee read of this, from Ian Archer, around thirty years ago, if he needs an insight into the background and forerunners of the particular entity he is interested in acquiring;

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It looks like I’ve upset them by reprinting that

Just had a look outside my front window.

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With the prospect of facing the Ibrox club-or at least a version of it -getting closer, some Celtic fans have clubbed together and will be placing a full page in the Herald newspaper;

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 Very good. But who are we trying to convince ?

 I know its a new club. You know its a new club.

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 Its a bit like when Brendan Behan, the legendary Irishman , was asked to come up with an advert for Guiness, and after several days research offered this ;

 I can understand that it needs to be made clear, perhaps even to the point of saturation, but by taking out this advert there is a suggestion that we are trying to convince ourselves. The problem is, well, I’ll let U.S. comedian George Carlin explain;

 Let them believe what they want to. Its only the same as telling a child Santa Claus is real, it comforts them and helps them to sleep at night.

 Of course, should Celtic describe in any  way  whatsoever the tie as an Old Firm game, I’m outta here.

Its our own  clubs viewpoint on the fixture that  I think is what we are bothered about, to be honest.

 St. Pauli, the Hamburg side with supporters links to Celtic, have sent us another link between the two clubs, with some  strategically placed substitutes.

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Barry Elliot was the player in yesterdays diary who played  just the one game.

 This guy played more than one, and they were quite memorble, although he’d probably rather forget them. I had until just now.

 Who is he, and why will he not be happy at the memories ?

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Willie
9 years ago

Willie Garner 2 og’s on his debut

holy sea
9 years ago

Other clubs have worked hard to improve.Celtic have worked hard to downsize.Bitton or Wanyama,
there is no comparison.Wanyama was a colosis,
yesterday,against Man Utd.
I agree Ralph,Guidetti,he’s only 22,may have had a dip in form,but is a player we need to keep.
Likewise,Commons,who will have as good a chance of scoring against Sevco,as Guidetti,must also stay.
Both these players,know where the goals are,they should be allowed the freedom to express themselves.

Carl Bigginslater
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

I don’t like mouthy centre forwards who tell us how many they are going to score against Rangers. No doubt this story will be pinned up in the Ibrox dressing room for all to read (Well for some to read). This type of thing usually ends with said centre forward on his arse for most of the match. Yes there’s nothing wrong with confidence but keep it to yourself you big gipe.

Bawsman
9 years ago

That Celtic fans statement was the first draft for everyone to comment on.

The final statement will be quite different, hopefully very punchy/less verbose.

It’s a pity it’s not the club, even better, ALL Scottish clubs making a statement but at least some of us have stuck hands in pockets and done SOMETHING!!!

Bawsman
9 years ago
Reply to  Ralph Malph

Works for me 🙂

9 years ago

They’re not trying to “convince” anyone. No convincing is necessary since the facts are there for anyone who cares to look.

What they are doing is redressing the balance, since there is no balance in the media who prefer to look away and pretend that it never happened.

The huns themselves choose to remain deluded in the hope that their nightmare will somehow all go away if noone sheds any light on the facts.

Sorry but that doesn’t sit well with this Tim.

Keep telling it like it is and NEVER let them forget it.

Remember….. In order for evil to prevail it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Ralph Malph

In their heads they will always be Rangers.
What you I or anyone else outside their own heads thinks is irrelevant.
All the ads in the world are not going to change that.
I am more concerned about the state of my own Club and the way it is being run to cater for the suits and not the many.

Not too mention the £14.4m debt left to pay whilst Lawwell walks away with a cool million every season now.

9 years ago

The whole piece is a fabtasy football at play. Celtic were lucky to have had wanyama, a brilliant player. Ledley was average Johanson does more , Hooper a better finisher than Gudetti.
Celtic have not downsized we have had a massive xrop in revenue, unlike other clubs in glasgow we pay tax and cut our cloth accordingly.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  fraz

Not downsized??
Why have we had a massive drop in revenue?
By not having adequate players to get us into
CL groups.This is where,the REAL money is made.
As for Hooper better than Guidetti ?
I never saw Hooper score a hat-trick of free-kicks,like Guidetti did against Partick.Hooper had a strike partner,has Guidetti had this luxury?
In my opinion,remember he’s only 22,Guidetti has the potential to be a prolific goalscorer for us.I also like his gallus attitude.My God,if ever Celtic badly need a personality at the club,it is now.As our Manager/Coach isn’t one!

tom campbell
9 years ago

I have to admit being nervous about the forthcoming League Cup semi-final. At times this Celtic side can turn up very flat and pedestrian … but I’m more worried about the strain of triumphalism and gloating over the demise of our ancient rivals – and Guidetti’s latest utterances do not help, nor do the predictions (or wishful thinking) of some supporters. Why not comment on a game AFTER it’s played, rather than before?
Lastly, why is there such interest in this match? I feel that it’s because the team that calls Ibrox Park home, despite the changes in their fortunes, are still considered by many Celtic supporters as Rangers (despite almost desperate attempts to deny that fact).

keddaw
9 years ago
Reply to  Ralph Malph

It’s not the club people are gloating at, it’s the fans who have so seamlessly switched allegiance to a new club (so we say) while convincing themselves it’s the same old club.

We want the new club to fail because it has the same fans with the same sensibilities and ideas as the old one.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  tom campbell

Tom,
Celtic historian,you may be,and I’ve read many of your fine books,but I feel you are sitting on the fence,with regards to them.That’s your perogative and opinion.
But,please don’t tell me,I shouldn’t be having a gloat at their expense.
I love their turmoil.Oh how we had to suffer,when going to away games,in the 90’s.They
would come out their pubs to taunt us.
Now,is payback time! Moreso,when we learn their
9 was tainted.By borrowing and CHEATING,to gain an advantage.
Tom,with respect,you can go soft on them.However
my friends and I are loving it,loving it,loving it!

9 years ago

Wanyama, Forster, Hooper, Ki, VVD, etc etc were bought to develop and sell on.
Anyone who is in any doubt about this hasn’t been listening to the PLC.
It’s the only way we can balance the books.
Any decent offer for any Celtic player will be accepted.
Celtic are looking to pick up young players cheaply, develop them and then sell them on after a couple of years for a profit.
If it works, we get 2 or 3 good seasons from a player and a profit at the end that can be invested in other young players.
The alternative, find the players, develop them and then see them leave for nothing when their contract runs down. We can’t ocmpete with the wages on offer in the EPL and even the Championship, so we would be losing these players for nothing.
I’m happy with the strategy, as long as we keep finding Wanyama’s / VVD’s etc.

andybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

This strategy is seriously flawed. Just take a look around the stadium on matchday, speaks volumes. I understand what you are saying, but you have to get a balance between the short term profits and long term damage that the club may endure with a policy that demands a fairly high percentage of the players being brought in must achieve a profit when sold and at present, we are miles away from that with all the duds that have arrived in the last few years. A mix of dwindling crowds and no profit in the transfer market will spell disaster for us and you can be certain that we can kiss ta ta to any involvement in the CL, it simply becomes an ever decreasing vicious circle.

9 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Scottish football died when the scum died. If the SPL allowed them to stay in the top division the fans of the other clubs would have walked away. Making them start in the 4th division meant that the sponsors were no longer interested in the product and would walk away, as has happened.
Celtic were faced with a greatly reduced income stream. No amount of massaging the circumstances was going to change that fact.
Without them in the SPL our crowds were always going to drop dramatically (I’ve argued before that I felt CP had too big a capacity – we don’t have 60,000 faithful). Too many of our fans only bought the ST to ensure they got tickets for the games v the scum & CL games. CP capacity should have been capped at 50,000 – this would have kept demand up and would have been closer to our hard core number of fans.
PL realised prior to 2010 that the money was disappearing from the Scottish game and set up the new strategy of buying young foreign players to develop and sell on for a profit.
He realised that this was going to be the only way to balance the books.
The policy has been in place for at least 5 years and for the most part has worked.
This season has definitely seen a poorer product on the park, due to a poorer quality of player (less developed) and a new manager with a new system.
MON & NL both managed to screw up qualification to the CL – it’s not something new. We got lucky a few times in the last few seasons. We don’t have any divine right to qualify and buying players will not guarantee qualification, otherwise, other teams would do the same.
Whether we like it or not, the PLC have set up a strategy for the long term. We need to buy into this and accept that the days of big transfer fees & wages have gone.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Andy,
I don’t think you understand the principles involved in maximising revenue for a football club?
We have 38k season ticket holders,and 2k corporate,confirmed by Lawwell.This figure is in the top 20,for European clubs.
This will gross our club,circa 15M.This figure pays ALL players salaries.
CL qualifying is EASIER now,as we are seeded.Legia are a good team,but we were ill-prepared for them,and didn’t play at CP.Maribor SHOULD have been blown away.
Next season,CL groups are worth 23M before a ball is kicked.Compare that to ST gross.
Potentially,with points bonus,and gates is worth 35M.
So,we have to be in the group’s,EVERY YEAR.With correct planning,this can be achieved.
I hope you grasp basic economics!

andybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Andy, this strategy is not going to balance the books, the only way to balance the books is entry in to the CL. With the budget we have had up until now, that should be easily attainable, given the route we take in the qualifiers. We pay our players pretty well in relation to similar sized clubs out with the big 4 nations.
If this strategy is to be maintained, then Celtic and all other clubs in Scotland will have to seriously look at reducing the cost of admission substantially to entice the missing 10’s of thousands back to the game.
Yet again, nobody is shouting for the club to spend money.
Peter Lawwell got a bonus to take his salary to close to £1m….. WHY?

andybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Sorry Andy, meant to say, the policy of signing potential and selling it on is great in theory but for every Wanyama we get Pukki, Boerrigter, Balde, Bangura ,Murphy, Rasmussen, Juarez, not to mention the plethora of loan duds eating up fees and wages.It is a difficult balancing act I know,but we have to be, as Mr Lawwell proclaims, a CL club, even if that means getting battered in the process, so be it. Hopefully, if Deila is what he says he is, then a gradual year on year improvement will be seen both in team performance and stronger financially.

9 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

If you manage to get into the number 7 lounge you’ll see what’s happening to CP support.
There is room for approx. 320 guests – on match days we are now getting 50 or so.
The corporate money is also drying up.
We had to change – there was no other way to ensure survival.
PL’s strategy began pre 2010, it’s not something new. Boerrigter, Puki, Balde, Juarez, Murphy, Bangura etc etc were all signed by NL. He wasted the money.
Diela is trying to create a system that is successful. Players will be bought to fit into the system. It’s what all the successful teams do.
We have approximately 30 – 35,000 faithful supporters. The other 15,000 were only there for the good times. This is the budget we need to operate on.
Next season I expect our ST’s to drop to around 30,000, regardless if the scum are back. A ST is far too expensive for the product we are being served up. Unless the prices drop again, fans will decide it’s no longer worth it.
The CL is the Holy Grail, but how much do we need to spend to ensure we qualify?
Legia were a very good side this year – would NL’s team of last year have beaten them? What if we spend money we don’t have and then come up against a Legia and get knocked out? Do we then spend even more money the following season to try to get back in and end up like the poor gambler trying to win back his lost money.
I’m sure there’s a few clubs who have tried this and failed. I don’t want to go down that road – I don’t want to take the gamble.
A Celtic team, playing to a system, buying up young players and developing them and selling them on a couple of seasons later for a profit is the only way ahead.
Lots of European teams use this system – Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Udinese etc etc.
Legia beat us without any real star names or anyone on big salaries – Maribor were the same. They have a system that they play to and sell on their best players.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andy,
You’re a loser.No point in going for CL groups then?
Don’t blame all the bad signings on Lenny.Any manager has to TRUST the chief scouts judgement.It’s them that put in the hours of research?
Why is Lenny away?
I’ll tell you,he wanted a far better quality of player,than what was being served up,due to BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
When you see Lawwell next,in No 7,
tell him to refrain from calling us,
a Champions League club!

andybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Legia and Maribor have a leser budget than we have and yes, I would have taken Lennon’s team to take care of Legia, certainly not the pathetic showing we had to endure.

Tourtenay
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

At last someone who tells it like it is, someone living in the real world and I do think we will be in this world for quite some time.
The death of rangers has undoubtedly affected the revenue flow at Celtic and most other clubs but we are all cutting our cloth accordingly, no more affected by the financial doping of rangers but all living within our means.
I would love to see world class players coming to Celtic again, and yes we have had our fair share in the past but the death of rangers has had its consequences and that is where we are at the moment.
So there is the choice, have them back with their bigotry and doping or be satisfied with what we have now, a level playing field.
Celtic will win this league and I think they will win it convincingly, if the cups come then that will be a well earned bonus.
RD is on a mission and he knows he is at a club that could fulfil that for him and us, do not judge him yet, don’t panic and give him time, support him and the team and judge him at the end of the season.
If he comes good all’s the well if he doesn’t he wont be here much longer. I wish him well
HH

9 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

I’ve never been in the number 7 lounge – some of my friends have and have reported back afterwards.
NL sanctioned all the buys – he had the final say – they’re his bad buys. He left because he had taken Celtic as far as he could under the current restrictions. Restrictions he knew about before signing the deal. Nothing happened in between to change Celtic’s strategy, so why did NL imagine the PLC were going to allow him access to more funds?

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Spot on Andy anyone who thinks different is deluding themselves I’m afraid.
The situation behind the scenes is the Long term Loans we had with the Co-Op (which Lawwell rarely discusses btw) are due to be paid up by July 2019.
We currently owe £14.4m the final payment due is £12.4m and that payment is due on the July 2019.
Since the demise of RFC 1 we have been quite a hard blow of around £10m a year I gather couple that with the failure to qualify for the CL (which is NEVER A GUARANTEE) we took quite a hit this Season yet and yet Peter Lawwell still managed to take home close to a £1m in pay.

For the current approach to keep things balanced we need to be finding a Wanyama or a Van Dijk every year to make up the short fall of no RFC 1 or CL we also need to see 45-50k at games week in week out at Celtic Park.

It just aint happening folks.

Guidetti needs to be signed or as I suspect Vand Dijk needs to be sold.

9 years ago

They are the Peepel of the Lie and there’s no harm in reminding them of it at every opportunity.

Also, it’s rather jolly fun dontcha think?

holy sea
9 years ago

Andy,
The strategy is flawed,when we don’t qualify for the CL groups.I know a thing or two about finance.Next season,the group stage is the MOST
lucrative ever in CL history.Worth a potential 35M.Providing we win the league,of course.
So,the board mantra of ‘balancing the book’s is
a misnomer.

andybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

HS I never saw your post before I had my rant, but yes, you are spot on.

9 years ago

Am hearing the munters are now at Beel Factor 10 over the ad and it’s no even the final draft. Tee Hee.

Just hope that the other clubs fan groups begin to line up behind it.

Hasta La Victoria Siempre!

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Green Lantern

GL,
Yip,the TRUTH does indeed hurt!

BJF
9 years ago

Did the old Rangers not vote for the new club to join the fourth tier? You can’t vote for yourself.

If the club is the same one and Neil Doncaster says it is the clubs not the companies that are members of the League so how did Steven Naismith escape his contractural obligations, surely he was contracted to play for the new club, if it was in fact the old club?

elcormaco
9 years ago

I m a bit mixed wrt the fan advert –there is no balance in the media, so something has to be done, but I would prefer if other club’s fans were involved too – we leave ourselves open to the old “obsessed” tag, and I know fans of many other clubs feel exactly as we do – I feel it would be better as a coalition of fan groups from as many clubs as possible – yes we know it’s a new club, a 2nd Rangers, but it does become sickening at times hearing all the guff about 142 years etc, and not only from confirmed “rangers men”.

Why did “the” Rangers (not Rangers remember) have a conditional SFA membership when they started off, and why did they lose their league share, and why could they not play in the UEFA cup? We know the answers, but sometimes it feels like everyone wants the lie to stay in place for, you know, “ra peepil”

The debate about selling our players is futile – economics mean all bar very few teams in world football are selling clubs – do you think Liverpool fans don’t wish Suarez was still there? It’s a shame, I loved Hoops, Wanyama, Forster & Ledley, but I m more keen that our club is solvent. Sadly the days of a great European run may be gone for good until something radical is done in football – I think interest in the CL will fall as the same teams play semi final & final every year, but really I don’t think there is an alternative approach at present or any shame in our policy – we have not been as successful recently in identifying players who can be signed and then developed / sold on for good money like Wanyama, and we don’t seem to get full value for players when we sell them on, so the loan policy is in place which is not so good as we have no re sell on the players and there is no feeling they are our players, but again, its becoming the same for many clubs, and I don’t see another way.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  elcormaco

Interest in CL will fall?
Tell that to BT who have paid a fortune for the rights!
As posted above,the groups will go from being worth a minimum 15M to 23M,as of next season,excluding gates.
If we win the league,and Deila fails to get us into the group’s,then the Norwegian Fenian can get tae,taking Lawwell with him!

9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

What I can’t understand is this obsession / hatred of PL and his salary.
What exactly has PL done to merit such hatred?
He isn’t missing open goals, he isn’t defending like a 9 year old – the players are to blame for failing to get through the CL qualifiers.
What do you think PL could have done to ensure qualification?
Buying players is no guarantee of success.
Managers can’t guarantee success (MON & NL both failed with much better squads).
From last year’s team we lost Forster, Hooper & Ledley. They were replaced by Gordon (like for like), Wilson (Denayer is better), Guidetti & Scepovic (would prefer Hooper, but he was always going).

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  andy docherty

Peter Lawwells salary has increased by 5 times it’s original amount in 10 years.
His Bonus in the same time frame has multiplied by more than 10 times.
His Bonus this Season was a large as last Season yet the Club made more than £10m less.

That can’t be right.

He seems to be doing better as things have slowly got worse.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Surely,you are not disagreeing with your bum chum,Andy.Shock,horror,
Charles!

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

Holy whilst I agree on plenty of what Andy has to say my views on Lawwell are evidently different.
Andy has in my opinion a full grasp of who we are at present and where we are in the big scheme of things in Football.

I don’t mind Lawwell earning the wage he earns however I do find it confusing how he can lift the same Bonus this year as he did last when we as a Company took so much less in?

I sometimes get the feeling his Bonus is attached to players sales rather than Club performance?

O could it be these Tournaments we play in mid season pay his Bonus?

Who knows all I know is something is fundamentally wrong with the Bonus setup at Celtic.

holy sea
9 years ago

Charlie,
With the greatest respect to you and Andy,being fellow Tim’s,but finance is the game I’m in.
Think and act small,then expect the consequences!
Planning,wise player recruitment,does not need millions,and our emphasis on CL qualifiers should be our overall strategy.
If this was strictly adhered to,we would be playing in CL groups,almost every year.CL finance dwarfs season ticket money,oh and the co-open loan would be easily manageable!

Dooda
9 years ago

Can anyone tell me the point of th ad? Only sets us up to look like we are obsessed, just let them wallow in there own dung, lets just beat them in semi n carry on

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