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Celtic Diary Wednesday February 12

We don’t often mention the independence debate in the Diary, but I can’t be the only one who has worked out that David Cameron wants Scotland to stay in the Union because its the only place above the flood line. We shouldn’t laugh, its bad enough for Manchester Utd fans with the way their team is playing, without having Surrey and Berkshire flooded as well.

So, with the success of Roll of Honour in bringing attention to the hypocrisy of the new anti -fans laws ( thats what they look like to me ) I’m bringing out a single to help flood victims, its called Trouble over Bridgewater.

Right, its ย back to focussing on the league, and Neil Lennon will become only the fourth manager in Celtics history to secure three in a row, after Maley, Stein and Strachan.

It might sound a little dull, perhaps uninspiring, but each title is important if we are to erase the memory of a tainted nine in a row from across the city, and make sure the world is spinning correctly in its orbit again, signalling that all is well. In fact, look at this picture, and tell me you didn’t suddenly feel a very strong desire to win ten.

Give us the ten-aye, because when they finally had to go out and earn a title, they couldn’t.

With criticism being hurled at virtually everyone connected with Celtic, except John Clark and Danny McGrain, who lets face it, could burn the main stand down and we’d still say “so what ? “, then maybe its time to concentrate on whats good, and leave the moaning to those that are still moaning that Jock Stein didn’t play John Hughes in the 67 final.

And you can’t help but think that Stein would have struggled to achieve all he did had the internet been around in his day. Contrary to the image we have of his teams, especially that one, they had off days as well, and even Jimmy Johnstone was robbed of possession once or twice. In fact, my Dad remembers Bobby Murdoch misplacing a pass once.

More recently, there tends to be a glossing over of the Martin O’ Neill years as well, with all the credit for the success in the early 2000s being down to him. sure, he revitalised a tired team, but the likes of Lambert, Mjallby, Petrov, Moravcik and Larsson were already there, and with a spine like that -especially Larsson-success was inevitable.

We tend to forget the bad games when we look back, and I’m quite certain that as we draw closer to the sacred tenth title, weeks like this will have faded into the memory. There isn’t a film thats been made, nor a sport thats been played which is thrilling and exciting from start to finish, so we shouldn’t expect football to be any different.

Are we really that bad ? Is this really a crisis ? Is Neil Lennon so bloody hopeless and his team so bloody predictable that we’d get more joy watching the games on teletext ?

Of course not.

In Fraser Forster we have a keeper capable of pulling off breathtaking saves, as well as sometimes leaving us a little shaken by the odd wrong decision. Still, you can’t argue that its not exciting. He could do with a bit of work on his kickouts, though.

In defence we have sheer class with Mikael Lustig and Virgil van Dijk, roving wing play from Matthews and Izzaguerre , with a bright new prospect already catching the eye of his international coaches in Darnell Fisher.

And theres Efe Ambrose to keep us on the edge of our seats with his unconventional approach to the game.

Whatever else you might say about Scott Brown, he’s a dedicated captain, energetic, powerful, and on form an absolute inspiration , not unlike Roy Aitken , and he has Stefan Johansen and Nir Bitton for support. Two largely untested players thus far, but reason enough to go to games to see how they fit in. Then theres Liam Henderson and others bubbling under, such as promising Israeli Beram Kayal.

And we’ve now seen after Saturdays game why Charlie Mulgrew is in the tea. Reliable, steady, and worth a goal or two. ย Extremely under rated, and one of our own.

There is criticism of the amount of midfielders that have been allowed to leave, such as Wanyama , Ledley and Ki, but if they want to go, then they want to go. Whatever the reason.

As far as wide players go, Samaras looks to have made his mind up to go, and he’ll be unhappy to leave under a cloud. Again though, as with James Forrest, goood to watch when on their game, but frustrating when they aren’t. Come on, even Larsson didn’t score in every game.

Which brings us to the forwards. Kris Commons has the chance to become a legend, he doesn’t know it yet, but he is improving with age, and if he continues in a free role behind the front two, he will be the star of this particular era.

With Leigh Griffiths already in, and looking quite lively-alright, he’s only done twenty minutes so far, and Tony Watt growing up in Belguim, we might not need the six million pound forward after all. These two could be our new Sutton and Larsson, or Nicholas and McGarvey.

 

We won’t know until we see it though, just as we won’t know what we have in Pukki, Balde Fridjonsson and Boerrigter until they get a decent run in the side.

Lennon may feel that he has gone stale after nearly four years in the job, and there does seem to be an O’ Neillesque tendency to stick to the same pattern with the same players.

In management, one rule should be at the foremost of a mangers thoughts.

Be predictable in your unpredictability.

Lennon could do worse than give this a go, both when dealing with the players and with answering the criticism from fans.

Things aren’t so bad.

Not as bad as for that bloke who blew himself up showing trainees how to be suicide bombers. His last words, apparently, ย were;

” Right, pay attention, I’m not going to show you this again. ”

Or that fellow on Channel 4s poverty fest Benefits Street, ย Fungi, who discovered he had a lump on his chest. He was relieved when he went to the doctors and found out it wasn’t an ounce of pride.

So, we should look on the bright side. And count our blessings.

Elsewhere, things look a little better for Dundee Utd, after they wiped out bank debt with the help of a few wealthy supporters and some “soft loans ”

But finance guru Neil Patey, the expert wheeled out by tv companies to give his views on football finance, has urged caution;

 

โ€œOn the face of it this all seems to be positive but the one question Iโ€™d ask is: โ€˜Who provided the money and what conditions are attached to it?โ€™

โ€œWe donโ€™t know how wealthy these guys are. They might not have asked for security but do they have any sort of voting rights? Is it pure debt? Is there any interest? Is it cash paid?

โ€œMy assumption is if itโ€™s a group of fans they might have done it out of generosity rather than a hard business arrangement and youโ€™d hope the conditions attached were lenient.

โ€œYou see other football situations and business situations where banks are doing deals to secure some sort of repayment because they know they might never get full repayment so it wouldnโ€™t surprise me if there was some sort of compromise agreement.โ€

Patey was the man who told us that Rangers CVA would be accepted by HMRC, despite it being common knowledge in the financial world that they don’t do that sort of thing. He also reckoned the club would be taken over by foreign investors-which was right, but not in the sense he meant it.

So, Dundee Utd are probably safe.

But are the new Rangers ?

Well, a leak from the SPFL indicates that they are about to ditch plans for automatic relegation for clubs in administration… co-incidence ?

Ewing Grahame explains-so good luck in trying to understand it;

The Scottish Professional Football League has abandoned plans to punish clubs who enter administration with automatic demotion.

When the proposal was put forward by the president of a lower league club at an SPFL board meeting last October there was initial enthusiasm, with the feeling that such a severe sanction would act as a deterrent for any financially troubled club who viewed administration as a way to wipe out debts and remove employees from their wage bill.

However, following several months of negotiations with all 42 member clubs, it has been decided not to place that punishment on the statute books.

While support remained for the move, the majority opinion was that there were issues attached to it which could not be immediately resolved.

โ€œThere was a wide consultation process and we spent time looking at it but, ultimately, the prevailing opinion was that there were complications arising from it which raised other questions,โ€ said a Hampden source.

โ€œFor example, if a member goes into administration while playing in League Two then where would we put them?

( Junoir football. Next question . )

โ€œAlso, if a club wins promotion and then suffers an insolvency event, do we simply refuse to promote them or do we relegate them from the division which they have just been playing in?

( You relegate them. Not the trickiest quiz I’ve ever entered. )

โ€œBecause of that it was decided to persevere with the current system, which sees clubs handed a 15-point penalty for entering administration and 25 points if it happens again within a five-year period.โ€

It has also been agreed that, in future, the SPFL Board will have the sole responsibility for adjudication regarding clubs who might face liquidation.

โ€œIt will be down to the board to determine any conditions for a transfer of membership if a club is liquidated and attempts to go down the newco route,โ€ said the source.

โ€œThat may include any new owners posting a bond for security.โ€

Hearts, bottom of the Premiership, are optimistic that they will shortly be in a position to exit administration.

Dave King, a former director ofย Rangersย โ€” who suffered both administration and liquidation in 2012 โ€” claimed on Monday that the League One leaders will run out of money next month.

( Read that sentence again. He says they were liquidated, and they are very soon to be skint again. This is the Telegraph, not the Record or the Sun. Was it the editors day off ? )

Incidentally, Second Rangers have given permission to manager Ally McCoist to speak to Swansea about their current vacant managers position.

” Fuck off, we don’t want to speak to him ” replied a Swansea spokesman.

Tony Rooney was the first to identify Ally Hunter, the Celtic keeper from the early seventies.

Today there are three to name. Who are they ?

 

 

By the way-isn’t it time for the VAT to be paid ?

 

 

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The bhoy with mcgrain in his side
10 years ago

Curly, larry & moe?

Patrickq
10 years ago

Peacock, Tully and Evans.

CarlJungleBhoy
10 years ago

Peacock, Tully & Evans – Is that the name of the firm of solicitors who were supposed to be paying the VAT? ๐Ÿ™‚

CarlJungleBhoy
10 years ago

BTW: Bertie, Charlie & Bobby. I wonder if it’s ever occurred to Lenny that there are simply not enough players in the side who’s names end in ..ie or …y ? Think about it. 9 of the 11 Lisbon Lions….

NURSE!

Stiofan
10 years ago

I like the positive spin. I have been consoling myself over the last few days recalling cup defeats an similar. Aye Lenny gets it wrong sometimes, but who doesn’t Big Jock’s record in the league cup was poor. Time for the mantra:

“Being a Tim means every single day is a good day, some days are just better than others”

UFB

Alan
10 years ago

Good to see you using Half Man Half Biscuit album titles in your piece. ‘Trouble over Brigewater’

deadhead67
10 years ago

re martin o,neil times,the standard of teams in spl was so much higher,the worst result was when he rested haf the first team in the cup at inverness,just after we had humped liverpool why he rested player when we didn,t have a game for 2 weeks always annoyed me and it was my birthday,as far as m aware the only time we have lost on my birthday during my life

caltonlad
10 years ago

Photo quiz easiest ever, it’s an age thing.
Fraser Forster has made some amazing saves this season and I’d love to see him stay. However the number of scares caused by his reluctance to take high balls into the 6 yard box is legion. It appears that keeper coaches everywhere want their goalies to stay on the line. There must be many instances when Fraser at 6′-6″ knows he can take the ball but is niggled by the thought of dropping it. Is staying on the line the high % option for a keeper? I doubt it.

Dziekanowski's nightclub child
10 years ago

โ€œIt will be down to the board to determine any conditions for a transfer of membership if a club is liquidated and attempts to go down the newco route,โ€ said the source. So the SPFL source is saying the CLUB is liquidated, controversial for some in the SPFL surely!

Monti
10 years ago

There is no positives for me I’m afraid,sorry!
I want Lennon, parker & Mjallby along with their pal Samaras, out the door.

Going meekly out of cup competitions isn’t good enough for Celtic & I’m sure the majority of fans.
I remember the early nineties, poor teams, managers & not winning a trophy for six years,those times hurt the Celtic support & energized our rivals.
In the current ( pun intended ) climate of Scottish football, Celtic should be amassing a huge haul of silverware, but we aren’t!
Neil Lennon & his coaching staff are ripping Celtic apart with these cup exits.
Ask yourselves this question, how does it make you feel when you see a Celtic captain walk up the stairs at Hampden & lift a Scottish cup & show it to the fans?
It’s an amazing feeling & they stay in your heart & memory.
So we have came from the darkest days in the early-mid nineties when we would have given anything to win a trophy, to this current attitude of ‘hey ho never mind’?
Not for me, I want Celtic winning everything, that’s the only thing that matters to me!

Yours Faithfully,

V.Meldrew

10 years ago

Bertie peacock,Charlie Tully, Bobby Evans.when the leagues started up after the war Celtic played a charity game against the FA cup winners as they were Scottish cup winners before the war started,Was my first. Ever game could you help I think it was Burnley.

Kieran Gallagher
10 years ago

Bertie Peacock, Charlie Tully, Bobby Evans

Charlie Saiz
10 years ago

Lenny needs to drop the 4-4-2 pish IMO we simply are not effective enough when using it IMO.
You need two good wingers who are prepared to track back and with Forrest Boerrigter and Samaras we have 2 who are injured more often than not one who is not interested in getting back and one who can’t cross 9 times out of 10.
Stick to the overlapping fullbacks get back to playing the diamond and ffs give the likes of Biton a shift if Mulgrew is not fit enough.
The guys up front can be altered and changed without it causing to much problems but ffs Lenny stop messing with the Midfield so much on these big games.
4-4-2 is too easy to nulify nad is not that condusive to free flowing football in the modern era.
Hence every other top outfit binning it.
2 teams in England used it last weekend both failed to win their respective games.
Go figure.

10 years ago

OK I AGREE THAT WE DO STILL HAVE SOME GOOD YOUNG TALENT AT CELTIC BUT IT DOESN’T MEEN SHITE IF THE MANAGER EITHER DOESN’T PLAY THEM, DOESN’T TRUST THEM ENOUGH OR HAS NO IDEA TACTICALY ON WHICH SYSTEM TO PLAY THEM IN, THERE S TO MUCH THINK ING FROM THE HEART GOING ON HERE WHEN IT COMES TO LENNON, START THINKING FROM A FOOTBALL POINT OF VIEW AND REALIZE THAT THE SITUATION IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE UNDER LENNON, WE COULD HAVE MESSI AND RONALDO IN THE TEAM BUT IF LENNON PLAYS ONE IN GOAL AND ONE AT CENTRE HALF THEN WHAT GOOD ARE THEY. WE DON’T HAVE THE LUXURY OF A LARSSON OR A lubo TO BAIL US OUT WHEN IT’S NOT HAPPENING IM AFRAID.. HAIL HAIL.. K T F

Monti
10 years ago
Reply to  Keighley Bhoy

@Keighley bhoy,
Agree 100% with you my friend!

Celtic park is no place for a rookie winging it, John Barnes was proof of this.

I love Neil as a man & the strength of character shown by him living with the stuff he has to put up with.
Celtic need a big time manager, with decent,nah Major money to spend next season.

Celtic is bigger than any one individual!

10 years ago

‘Mulgrew in the tea’….are you trying to stir it?

BONGO
10 years ago

SCOTT BROWN IS LIKE ROY AITKEN !!!!!!!!!!

HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO READ ANY FURTHER AS CANT STOP LAUGHING.

DONT THINK I EVER SAW ROY PLAY AS BADLY AS BROWNS BEST GAME.

THE GUY CANT SHOOT, CANT HEAD A BALL, CANT PASS AND CANT TACKLE – YET IS PLAYED WEEK IN WEEK OUT AS CAPTAIN.

San Miguel
10 years ago

Ralph, Is Stoke now under floodwater too ? You lost me at ” Whatever else you might say about Scott Brown, heโ€™s a dedicated captain, energetic, powerful, and on form an absolute inspiration , not unlike Roy Aitken”

I take it the “NOT”floated away between He’s & a dedicated ?

MarkyBhoy
10 years ago

More proof, if anymore were needed, about our Boards role in the omnishambles of the past few years. Can’t comeback, won’t be back. The game’s dead.

Doc
10 years ago

A busy few days in Timdom and a much more upbeat diary today. Just a couple of points.
1.is about the young guys not getting a game. If they had played on Saturday and we still got beat folk would be calling for Lenny’s head for messing with a succesful team and berating our young players as not good enough. You can’t please everyone.
2 about the comparisons with Stein. This is just unrealistic, Stein had a team of Scots who became European Champions and went to Wembley and beat the world champions. Could 11 Scots beat Spain away now? Stein had the great privilege that some of the worlds best were Scotsman. He could take training in the mornings and afternoons, go a drive to scout and speak to some of the best talents and be back in time to phone the pub to tell Jinky to go home. Nowadays the manager can’t see for himself because to scout the best players now you need more folk abroad than SCIAF.
Support Lenny and his team we know they’re good, do we really need more barnes and scheidts to prove it?

Monti
10 years ago
Reply to  Doc

@Doc,
With all respect Doc, your talking pish!

Doc
10 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Throwing the the young guys in at the deep end should not be policy, only in special circumstances or as a last resort and expecting anyone to be as good as or better than Stein is unreasonable and will only lead to disappointment.

Monti
10 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Maradona was playing for Argentina at 16, Michael Owen played for England at 17, our own Roy Aitken played for Celtic at 16!

What is ‘ young ‘ nowadays, 25?

Balde, Pukki @ Boerrigter should start every game!

Doc
10 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Nothing wrong with playing the youngsters but most of them will need a bit first team experience before performing in the big games like the cups and CL.

Frank McGaaaaarvey
10 years ago

“Nowadays the manager canโ€™t see for himself because to scout the best players now you need more folk abroad than SCIAF”

Brilliant line!

10 years ago

CHEERS MONTI, I THINK THE LENNON DEBATE IS DEFINITELY ONE THAT A LOT OF TIMS FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, PROGRESSION IS SOMETHING I DON’T THINK U CAN JUDGE A MANAGER ON IN 1 OR 2. SEASONS BUT IF AFTER 3 OR 4 AND THE SAME POOR POOR DECISIONS IN TEAM SELECTION, TACTICS, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT, NEW ADDITIONS ARE STILL CLEARLY EITHER GETTING WORSE OR STAGNATED THEN CHANGE HAS TO HAPPEN, I CERTAINLY WOULDN’T FEEL CONFIDENT LETTING LENNON HAVE A CONSIDERABLE WAR CHEST COME THE SUMMER, BANGURA AND BORRIGTOR ARE 2 OF A POSSIBLE 5/6 FOR EXAMPLE… HAIL HAIL, 126 YEARS OF UNBROKEN HISTORY

Charlie Saiz
10 years ago

Henderson looked every inch the part up against a quality Galatasary line up,Irvine is cutting it at Kille,McGregor is a revelation down at Notts County and Watt is demolishing teams out in Belgium.
At what point do fans stop thinking we are a class European outfit and realise we are simply making up the numbers in the Champions League and should be concentrating on getting more of our own home grown talent on the park?
The domestic scene is our bread and butter we should be playing these lads it is obvious they have the talent.

Kenny
10 years ago

No coincidence Watt is doing better playing abroad. Liam Miller did likewise. I think that’s the road we should be pushing our young players down to get:
1. First team football
2. A bit of culture
3. Away from the buckfast ned and shag-a-senga culture of the young British footballer.
Look how few top young players come through in England as well. Terrible culture, spoilt brats, too much money and not good enough. We also need to stop buying foreign players who are no better than what we’ve got.

Monti
10 years ago
Reply to  Kenny

What’s wrong with Senga like?
I’ve snagged her tae….:)

Da Do Ron Ron
10 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Snagged being the operative word here. Poor lassie!

Charlie Saiz
10 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Sengas ma maw ya coont and I have a hammer in ma glove box ๐Ÿ˜‰

JRW
10 years ago

Here we go again – one very poor result and the end of the world is nigh. Bad things happen in football from time to time -even to the great and the good. I’m old enough to remember the 1970 European Cup Final, losing 4-1 to Partick Thistle in the League Cup Final and losing 3-2 to Motherwell in the Scottish Cup after being 2-0 up to name but a few ingloroius results in the Stein era. Poor team selection, the wrong tactics, injuries, loss of form of key players, suspensions, over-confidence, a miserly Board and all the rest are just ever present in the game. And just occassionally the other team was actaully better on the day and wanted it more. If none of these were ever present we would have to invent them just to give ourselves something to moan about. JRW

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