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Celtic -A Crack In The Support Needs Fixing.

Gorbals Diehard sends us this;

 

Rebuilding relationships between fans and the club is required urgently. To that end the demise of the GB in its current format is very sad as let’s be honest they were a tonic for many of the youths and the older bhoys like myself over the past few years providing a diversion from the poor football on offer. Dare I also say Celtic merchandising dept. benefitted? You don’t believe me? Celtic fc have bought the domain name, type in www.justcantgetenough.co.uk and see where you land?

Whether you like them or not the Green Brigade remain Celtic fans, they are not only singing and making banners but they are responsible for initiatives such as food banks and anti-racism. That’s the DNA our chairman referred to at the recent AGM and then qualified a reason for not paying living wage “to some of them it’s their 2nd job”.

I personally would argue the GB has let themselves and the ordinary Celtic fan down by not properly policing their own group. The kettling treatment had Celtic fans fully united in support of their argument against the bill and the heavy handed policing. That truly is draconian and it is obvious the plc board have not actively supported any challenge to this. Amsterdam was a true exception and fair play to the PLC for this but was this down in part to TV evidence and the CSA? I fully accept the GB cannot look for support and then disobey agreements and pick and choose which stadium regulations they want to obey. If the club suffers as a result of them I suffer. So GB, please drop that nonsense, drop the pyros (albeit I had glow lights in Amsterdam!) and get back to doing what you got acclaim from me and others for. Bring back the thunder but leave the antagonistic banners, ultra fighting mentality (that’s sevco behaviour) and chants that upset the club’s image at home. Revert back to the humour and path Mandela himself showed, that you win through defeating your enemy with words and education not through conflict.

We have what the board affectionately call ‘Customer and ‘Product’. Well the criminalisation of fans for supporting their team through song is not much for either. Would you like to be filmed for 90 minutes by a policeman with a camera facing you as you watch a film at the cinema or at a theatre or would you claim civil rights are being disregarded?  The combination of events on and off the park led at Hibs last week to have fans fighting each other over a banner that never was even unfurled, stewards refusing entry to the stadium to fans wearing particular scarfs (Mandela scarves included and classed as ‘political’ a week after we paid memorial to the same man), stewards & police throwing fans out of the stadium for having the audacity to sing and cheer the team on and Focus police filming young fans singing after haranguing them for sitting in the wrong seats. This at a stadium barely a third full and sheets of rain and wind forcing all fans to climb to higher ground.  It was not a ‘Grand old team to see’. It was a depressing day in more ways than one and this is going to turn a lot of our fans away unless we the wider support force some discussions between the GB and the PLC. I hope the Celtic Trust or CSA can help work through a compromise, as to willingly want rid of them in entirety, as the PLC board seems to now be hell bent on, is a crusade with short term goals to me.

Product? Champions League qualification papered over cracks, poor signings and poor performances by a number of highly paid players and strange tactics and player selections by Neil Lennon contributed even more to a depressing CL campaign.  The 100 quid price drop was only a means to make sure the PLC retained the current season ticket sales. They knew fine well prices are over the top and have been for years. They took on board the feedback from the supporter’s survey as they fully knew season ticket sales would take a further drop if they didn’t. The prices are still too high but I think it’s been proven in recent years it doesn’t matter how much you reduce prices it’s not going to drastically improve attendances. Just look at New Year’s Day and see how many loyal fans ‘free tickets’ we will not be able to give away?.  The season ticket sales at the moment are fairly representative of the core support who will continue to buy season tickets regardless. The fluctuation in season ticket sales from that base level is entirely dependent on varying factors such as how the team are performing, any flair players that truly get bums off seats and the economy.  The Club has alienated itself from its support over many years now in terms of customer and lack of investment affects the park product. We have banned fans before investigations are complete, we had Thomas Crook the worst official travel agent ever, strong handed stewarding, poor customer service pretty much across the Club. The list goes on.

The current plc need to wake up or their cash cows (sorry customer or is it now consumers) will vote further with their wallets. That means less quality on the park, less enjoyment at Celtic park leading to smaller gates leading to smaller incomes. It really is a vicious circle. A current split Celtic support weakens everybody that is Celtic minded.  As for the game itself, played against a backdrop of Barcelona humiliation, gale force winds, torrential rain and Hibs playing 10 behind the ball, it was actually ok at times and Pukki scored (hurrah).

It is just my opinion but if we fast forward a week from when I first wrote this as a rant it has:-.

1. Been confirmed that none of the 5 arrested for damage at Fir Park are Green Brigade members despite 128 bans.
2. Been confirmed that FOCUS Scotland have filmed 7 Celtic fans singing Roll Of Honour and are to be tried in a court for the same so called ‘offence’ that other judges have thrown out and asked police to justify wasting court and their time and effort. The leakage of this story came weeks after they appeared in court.
3. John Paul Taylor (Celtic Liaison Officer) accepting that he was not engaged and in principle cannot understand the over-zealous stewarding at both Barcelona and the Hibs match. We even had one ghirl having her inhalers taken her off leading later to an attack, thankfully she recovered well. He truly has a job in his hand I wish him well but he has to stand up and truly be representative of the fans and not a board puppet.

I end with a quote from a man who not only cared about the club reputation but stood up for its heritage and its people. 

Sir Robert Kelly – ‘This Celtic Football Club is much more than a football club. To a lot of people it’s a way of life.” 

 

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Gary mc kay
10 years ago

Brilliant read this, everything mentioned is 100 percent correct! We are going to end up with about 10000 at games the same as the early nineties! Hail hail

J McTighe
10 years ago

In complete agreement with everything said in this article
Hopefully all Celtic fans will be. Key is, don’t just buy into “headlines ” pumped out by MSM and, or PLC board. There’s usually another side to the story. (Haven’t we learnt that from the Sevco mob?) As I see it , any fans who don’t agree with your points/warnings, may as well just sit on their hands and wait for the new Rangers to catch up.(because, despite all the slagging we enjoy ,of them, make no mistake they will be back before long: the powers that be will make sure of that)

As for Peter Lawwell, maybe he should heed the words of a fellow corporate business man; Marshall Sonenshine, chairman of Sonenshine Partners in USA :” some activists actually have something constructive to say, it’s just that they say it in shrill tones that are annoying .” He refers to such people as “Constructivists ”
So Peter why not think of the fans who may not see everything your way as CONSTRUCTIVISTS not ACTIVISTS.
Last point ,it’s worth remembering that while Peter Lawwell takes all the flack, he’s just an employee taking orders.
So, who’s orders?

pensionerbhoy
10 years ago
Reply to  J McTighe

J McTighe

“” some activists actually have something constructive to say, it’s just that they say it in shrill tones that are annoying .” He refers to such people as “Constructivists ””

What a statement. Thank you for that quote.

H H

MickeybhoyATL
10 years ago

Good article and one which I pretty much agree with provided the GB refrain from anything which will see us fined, wether we disagree with the policy behind the fine or not. And no pyro at any time.
Taking GB out of equation, the fans in general need to treated a whole better and not be treated with, what appears, constant suspicion created by bad policing and the PLC allowing this kind of policing.

deadhead67
10 years ago

Why did uefa not punish liverpool for banners asking for justice for Hillsborough victims which was surely a political
campaign

Charlie Saiz
10 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Not sure if serious?

A fan
10 years ago

Thing is the GB had all the meetings with Celtic and still did as they wanted. No doubt if they are allowed to go on as they are, Celtic will first receive a bigger fine, then the stadium will be closed for CL matches. I’ve a feeling this is what some of them want to draw attention to their”cause” ahem,,,

Love the atmos (though standing area would produce the same)- the politics are really infantile, based on hatred, and do the club no favours. Time to grow up gb.

PeteCon
10 years ago
Reply to  A fan

Like. The club need to look after the fans but why should this extend to those who don’t give a toss what damage they do to the club. The noise was great and the banners funny and intelligent but it seems some of the GB began to believe in their own hype and thought they were bigger than the club. They can be a big asset so let’s hope they get back to what they are good at and leave the dodgy stuff at home.

Antipodean Red
10 years ago

gorbals diehard,

Captures pretty much all of my own thoughts and feelings. One thing I would add, the situation between the PLC and the fans (customers) has now gone beyond just the GB, the club needs to learn to communicate with us, not just send us e-mails about match packages, jerseys, etc. The PR department is completely dysfunctional if indeed one exists at all.

AR

bawsman
10 years ago

Great article mate. I think you’ve captured most of what we think.

Monti
10 years ago

Totally agree with Gorbals!

schoosh71
10 years ago

The New World Order, coming to a club near you.

10 years ago

One day I hope that Apocalypse banner is auctioned on eBay so I can drape it over the roof of my house and astronauts could see it from space.

Tam McGraw
10 years ago

Excellent article. Unfortunately though, you’d have to change the GB’s mindset if you hoped to repair their ‘relationship’ with the club. They’ve been warned repeatedly and given chance after chance to lose their persecution complex and clean up their act — to no avail.

As long as it’s more important to them to picture themselves as ‘rebels’ (rather than Celtic supporters)and continue to play the wounded martyr (rather than self-important troublemakers) they’ll be treated as complete muppets, both by the club and the great majority of fans, who actually want to watch a football game rather than be subjected to some form of political rally.

How many chances and broken promises were they allowed before finally being told enough is ënough? Yet they STILL try to play their tiresome “We’re being picked on” role.

Jeanette Findlay
10 years ago

I agree with pretty much everything in this article but I find it ironic that a plea for fan unity; a measured criticism of the board and a list of some of the facts which were not available last week, should be followed by a number of posters eg Tam McGraw and A fan continuing to make ill-informed comments re an alleged commitment given by the GB to the board re the nature of their banners; assertions about what the GB think of themselves which is endlessly repeated with no factual evidence; and a general disparaging of another group of fans (no more than that, but crucially, no less than that) who have been treated shamefully. The 128 precautionary suspensions were not for suspected vandalism but for sitting in the wrong seat (an offence which I and many others have committed on many occasions); the pyros were not from the GB; and those arrested (from homes which strangely had a full press corp outside in the early morning) were not GB members. You may not like the politics of the GB or how they support Celtic; I may not like your politics or your willingness to accept UEFA hypocrisy; but we are all Celtic fans and as the article points out ‘a crack in the support needs fixing’, it is not going to be fixed if we continue to adopt fixed positions in relation to each other despite all the evidence to the contrary.

holy sea
10 years ago

Jeanette,

I couldn’t agree more.
I find it sad,that fellow fans are giving each other a pat
on the back,on how nasty they can be towards the GB.
I call these people the PC brigade.
For me, I love where the new club are.
We should not be having fan in-fighting,leave that to
Sevco and their TURMOIL.
We should be asking questions about the team.
Are the board going to give Lenny money for quality players ?

Celtic fans united,NOT divided.

Keep up the good work, Jeanette.

Travellinbhoy
10 years ago

The corporate cleansing of the support has started with the GB but unfortunately I don’t think it will stop there.
We are in heading for a fan base of sweetie wrapper rustlers and where does that leave our much vaunted best support in the world tag.
Football is a passionate game and with that passion comes the thunder. Where will the thunder come from if the PLC continue to treat young fans with such disdain.
The support came together as one for the Dam Bhoys let’s hope that sense of belonging to something more than a club can galvanise us now because we are gonna need it.

Johnd
10 years ago
Reply to  Travellinbhoy

Agreed.

If the plc and happy clappers have their way there is one sure outcome.

We will end up like our distant cousins the hibees, green in colour, Irish in history but after generations of purging have become neither one thing or another, consequently no global support.

Ours is the global support BECAUSE of the irishness.

Lose your culture, lose your history, lose yourself.

There is a real danger in this current purging of the Irish Celtic support, the danger is to the club itself and it’s disconnect with a history that defines much of our support.

The singing of songs is a part of what and who we are as Tim’s, when people question the relevance of Irish songs I do wonder if they know anything at all about the importance culture and identity… Their loss.

The plc corporate anti Irish mentality if successful, will kill the core vital nature of Celtic and leave a Hibernian style shell… I’m convinced that the support will see this for what it is and rally against it.
The criminalisation of our culture must be resisted, it’s not the culture that is the problem shmuckos, it’s the law itself… The law has been engineered to undermine expressions of irishness and the great shame is that the Celtic plc and some lickspittle fans have gone along with that.

Us old bhoys need to take a look at ourselves, enough with the finger wagging and support the young bhoys and save the club.

Celtic plc does not speak for me.

pensionerbhoy
10 years ago
Reply to  Johnd

Johnd

I am an old boy, some might say a very old boy, and all I have done with my finger in all of this is scratch my arse and I still do not understand what it is all about. I do agree with you, though, that we auld farts can be so self righteous at times instead of being grateful we can still wag anything. I just wish I could find that halo I wore as a teenager and go back to the vow of silence and obedience I lived with. My maw hid my halo in the loft as she said it made me a hypocrite and she was determined I was not going onto the Celtic board.

Maybe it is time for all of us to stop wagging and simply get the finger out and sort all of this.

H H

Johnd
10 years ago

Unfortunately there is an age gap between the fans too.

Many posts trot out the same line of ” aye when I was younger I used to belt out the old songs …BUT… ”

So the conservative oldies are now the plc backers where once they would have seen themselves as ‘rebels’… S’funny how they forget eh!

If the happy clappers and conservative oldies win this one then Celtic park will become a dull entertainment venue, the fans will be just customers and the superstore will be happy to take their cash for Celtic brand baubles.

As for a sporting arena full of passion and emotion – YES – EMOTiON – then you can forget it, because the plc will have that banned as well.

The gib aren’t perfect, but they are being used here by a corporate plc that will turn our great club into a banal brand for dullards and people who have lost the bawls they used to have. Wise up Tim’s before the plc disneyfy our great great club .

A change is gonna come. The plc don’t act in my name.

Monti
10 years ago
Reply to  Johnd

Can’t argue with anything you say Johnd!

Succinctly put sir! HH!

mickelmac
10 years ago

Why does singing the ROH mean you’re a passionate celtic fan?
Passion is not limited to singing about the old political situation in the north of Ireland. We’ve loads of passionate celtic fans who want to sing celtic songs.
Sick of all this and want to get back to supporting the team properly. Season ticket holder and not living in Australia.

Antipodean Red
10 years ago
Reply to  mickelmac

mickelmac,

I’m not sure if the wee barb at the end is aimed at me but for the record, season ticket holder and Celtic TV premium subscriber probably allows me the right to voice an opinion, even if it is from Australia.

AR

Rod
10 years ago

Great article
I personnally have no problem with singing Irish rebel songs or any in support of Irish freedom at celtic Park and the green brigade have been a boast to many a weary game on the park, what I do have a problem with is the PLO and the Che Cuevara flags/banners what the F##K has that to do with Celtic? also the one love flags that seem to turn up now and again I take it these are in support of homosexuals? FFS.
also the so called Ultras who have a scarf around their faces to remain unknown, and take their migguided idology out on helpless seats (better than old ladys I suppose) does not do anything for me and lends a welcome boost to those who attack Celtic at any chance they get, Ultras have no place at Celtic Park, this type of group attract all the neds and trouble makers to them and if the Green brigade are Ultras then they have no place either, Ultras are Left wing loonys who spout off about smash facism, nazis etc which is great and a noble idea, but go and do it elsewhere,and after you have done that go and smash up the opposite mob namely the commies and left wing dictator loonys.

Hail Hail
God Bless Celtic
God Bless Ireland

bondibrian
10 years ago

Rod….wasn’t Che’s maw a T Caddie ( Lynch ) ?…so the’re is a bit of an irish connection. Anyweys I wish one & all a joyeous festive season.

HAIL HAIL.

MON THE HOOPS !!!!

bondibrian
10 years ago

Kayal..Palastian, whats wrong wi the flag being waved at CP?

Rod
10 years ago
Reply to  bondibrian

thought he was from Isreal?

but my whole point being if anyone saw it was

WE SHOULD ALL GET BACK TO BEING TIMS

all the seperate identities now prevailent at Celtic Park among the support is not good.

UP The Ra

J McTighe
10 years ago
Reply to  Rod

He’s a Palestinian Israeli I believe , Rod.

Rod
10 years ago
Reply to  J McTighe

is that what he is, as long as he plays well for us

john mccloy in tasmania
10 years ago

pensionerbhoy itchy arse scratch it whats to understand.kayal is an israeli arab not a palestinian.

bondibrian
10 years ago

we’re all Jock Tamsons bairns !!!!!!!!!!!

LETS ALL DO THE CYBER-HUDDLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rod
10 years ago
Reply to  bondibrian

not me, that old saying always sounds to hunnish for me.

Brain_of_K
10 years ago

People keep trying to join dots that can’t really be connected….singing ROH, etc, really has feck all to do with being a Celtic supporter. That’s the long and short of it. It is also highly ignorant to try a label it an expression of Irish culture; nonsense. I have no problem with it, btw, but I don’t see what it adds to the atmosphere and it’s certainly not a song to inspire the team.

That said, the PLC are letting the support down. They need to get the finger out their arse.

The truth in these things are often somewhere in the middle; the GB need to wise up and become a wee bit more PR savvy. The board and JP Taylor need to build some bridges.

bondibrian
10 years ago

Rod…you think its unacceptable to wave a flag of Che or a Palistinian flag but finish your post with ‘up the Ra’ ( in ma book that makes you an idiot ) ty.

‘Jock Tamson’ sounds to ‘hunnish’ ?… yer a joke Rod; a bad joke.

If signing off with ‘Up the Ra’ is what being a Celtic fan is all about: then count me out.

Rod
10 years ago
Reply to  bondibrian

Rather up the ra than all that commie flag waveing crap by a bunch of left wing loonies, supported by mindless Neds as for Jock tamson whoever he played for or supported (it was not Celtic) We should as Celtic supporters be united as the song goes enough of this ultra, jock tamson etc piffle.
Oh Just counted you out as requested, Thistle might be the place for you, firhill for thrills, take Jock tamson along with you.

Hail Hail and a merry Christmas

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