Charlie Saiz found a copy of the Daily Record on the train, and has countered the article within, penned by former Celt Chris Sutton.
Having read Chris Suttons views on all things Celtic this morning via the Record I feel compelled to pick a few holes in it and write a counter argument in defence of all those he took aim at…ie the entire set up at Celtic bar the tea lady.
He said….
“NEGLIGENT in the boardroom. Naive in the dressing room.
From top to bottom at Celtic Park, there are individuals who should be held accountable for the shambolic European campaign this season. Mismanagement in terms of policy, lack of direction in terms of the football.”
The Board have had to develop a new strategy at Celtic in order to compensate for an ever decreasing decline in Financial rewards playing in an underfunded and poorly represented League.
As a result the focus has gone from buy to build to buy to develop keep or sell.
Bottom line is though we are no longer in the market to splash out the kind of money that brought Sutton to Celtic and ultimately doubled our debt under O’ Neill.
Those days are long gone Chris .
Deal with it.
As for policy and direction we are headed in exactly the direction they set course on Chris.
Scout young talent (under 24 normally) develop it with a view to keeping them as long as possible or making a profit when they do go.
Meanwhile look to develop our own and bring them through into the fist team thus saving many millions in the process.
To do that they needed to bring in a Manager who has this ethos already in place so they opted for a young Manager with a proven track record on that score.
He came in and set his stall out immediately with a clear picture of what he wanted and envisaged.
That going to take patience and time this was not going to be a quick fix solution.
A new system of play, a new ethos towards fitness and diet were all part of the transition needed….Oh and players able to pull it off.
He then goes on to say…
“First things first, let’s get Thursday night out of the way. Celtic actually didn’t do too badly against Ajax. They played well in spells and were unlucky to lose. But spare me the lame excuses.”
You said it Chris we were unlucky to lose against a decent young team.
That’s football
.It happens we have no divine right to beat anyone ..particularly a Club who have 6 major European honours in their trophy cabinet.
Then…..
“The lines were being prepared before the game focusing on the absence of Scott Brown, Nir Bitton, Stefan Johansen and Kris Commons. I accept that hurt Celtic but let’s deal in facts here. Ajax had five key players out too.”
So you accept those players are key to Celtic (our entire first choice midfield normally)then go on to dismiss the performance based on Ajax’s team selection?
Ajax have one of the best youth Academies in football Chris bear that in mind they don’t have to scout the SPL for affordable talent they have the best coming to their Academy from the off.
( And which five were they ? -Ed)
He then goes on to say..
“As for Celtic having to field an inexperienced team, the average age of the side was 24 while for Ajax it was 22 and a half. It doesn’t wash.”
Age has nothing to do with European experience Chris James Forrest is 24 and has played 40 times in Europe Gary Mackay-Steven is 25 and played 7 times.
It has to do with ability and availability.
We went with who we had available and Ajax did likewise.
As a result a decent contest ensued.
Then Chris moves onto….
“Callum McGregor is being held up as a shining light and the lad did well, with a fine goal to go with a decent display. But he’s spoken about as if he’s 14. He’s 22.
Ajax captain Davy Klaassen is 21 and he is wanted by some of the biggest clubs in England.”
First of all McGregor scored Klassen didn’t Chris. And he’s their captain.
McGregor is a fringe player.
The much talked about Fischer had a quiet night mostly in part due to the great night an unmentioned 18 year old left back muted him for most of the night hence him being hooked on 69 minutes.
McGregor put in a great shift (which he normally does regardless of form)and was highlighted rightly for doing so.
The he goes on to say…
“I realise Celtic can’t compete with the top leagues in terms of wages and transfer fees. But there is no balance to the signing policy. The buy young, improve-and-sell model is fine but you need some proven players in there too.”
Proven players like Izaguirre,Lustig,Brown,Commons and Gordon perhaps?
2 of whom have been poor so far this season and the other 2 injured for this game?
Not too mention Ambrose who has played 34 games in Europe for Celtic and 50 International Caps but gets panned every time he plays by yourself before a ball is kicked.
Then further to that…
“Celtic’s strategy might have balanced the books in the past few years but the regression on the pitch has been shocking.”
Standing still in Europe is going backwards Chris,financially we have no option but to balance the books a quick look across the Clyde should explain why overspending is not a great idea when plying your trade out of a poorly funded and represented League like ours.
We have to be cautious as a Club there is no getting round it.
The days of blowing £6m on a player lie yersel are over Chris again deal with it as Celtic have.
Then onto this………
“The club hierarchy’s argument is that Deila builds teams and progresses players. I’m struggling to see the evidence of that. You can point to Tom Rogic and Kieran Tierney as examples of those who have developed under Deila but for the most part, it’s a nonsense.”
You did point to Rogic and Tierney…. Bitton and Griffiths have also improved. Then theres Simunovic and Forrest
The fact is some of the players he inherited appear to be on the slide now.
Lustig,Izaguirre,Ambrose,Brown and Commons are on the downhill section it would appear?
Those guys have been the mainstay for several years and now we need to find the replacements? Some of whom are already emerging under Deila.
Cole has just been brought in he is experienced and although you think it’s too little too late these transitions will take time
One step backward to take 2 steps forward is not uncommon when doing this in Football.
further to that he then adds…
“If the manager is such a master at it why are the likes of Liam Henderson and Darnell Fisher farmed out to other managers when they should be working day-in and day-out with the man who is meant to make them better?”
First of all Chris we have 4 right backs at Celtic all hoping for a start Lustig,Ambrose,Fisher and Janko.
In Midfield we have Brown, Bitton ,Commons ,Johansen, Forest ,Mackay-Steven, Rogic Armstrong ,Allan, Henderson and McGregor vying for places.
Neither Fisher or Henderson were going to compete for first or second picks so rightly were sent out to get game time.
Both should come back better for it.
Then further to that he adds…
“McGregor would be a perfect example. When Deila arrived, he was one of the brighter points.
Scoring in games against Legia Warsaw and Maribor last season when the experienced players were running around with their hair on fire. McGregor was expected to kick on but what happened? Nothing. We basically haven’t seen him for a year before he scored against Ajax.”
He got injured and fell down the pecking order as a result his form dropped off.
It happens Chris again deal with it McGregor obviously has and Deila rightly gave him his chance again..in Europe.
Again back to the age debate….
“And like I have said, this is not a kid. Just like Stuart Armstrong, Gary Mackay-Steven, Ciftci, James Forrest, Boyata, Simunovic, Allan, Bitton, Johansen and Leigh Griffiths are not children.”
No they aren’t hence why he treats them like adults and give them their chance prove they can step up to the mark.
Only Ciftci failed to play against Ajax.
There is a reason for that he’s failed to make an impact so far at Celtic.
Nothing to do with age Chris it’s you who’s hung up on that apparently.
He then adds again to hammer home his point…
“They are between 20 and 25, so don’t give me inexperienced guff.”
So again I shall point out age has nothing to do with European experience Chris.
After all you were 27 by the time you came to Celtic and had only played 22 games in Europe-scoring twice McGregor has already doubled that tally at 22 btw in half as many games.
Then onto Deila Chris’s favourite subject after Kristo Commondinho of course..
“I like Deila. He’s a nice fella but some of the stuff he says just has you shaking your head.”
Really Chris? You have been on his case since the moment he walked into Celtic and as fo shaking your head I do that with 90% of the guff that comes out of yours.
Then……..
“He’s talking about being ready for the Champions League next season. On what evidence?
Certainly nothing we are seeing on the pitch.
He says if you don’t see it, you don’t see the big picture. Well the big picture I see is a team lacking leadership and constantly
making the same mistakes while
being mentally weak.”
You would do Chris as Lustig ,Izaguirre ,Johansen Ciftci, Armstrong and Mackay Steven have all been poor this Season on the whole.
Mulgrew and Brown have had injury setbacks and Deila is bringing in young raw talent as a result.
Transition takes time and patience and I for one see little being afforded from those who think like you do.
The Celtic you joined spend millions building a side as a result we ended up with massive debts.
Those days are gone stop hankering after the past Celtic Fc is no longer a Big Fish in European terms we ply our trade in a forgotten backwater and have no means to finance the type of spending you and your like want at Celtic.
We have to grow our own again,shop in the economy isle and develop our own system to compensate for the ever increasing gap between Domestic and European Football.
Ajax the side we played on Thursday are having to do the exact same thing that’s AJAX winners of 6 major European honours ffs.
Molde, who excelled in the group, do the same.
They are getting on with it and so it would appear Celtic are too.
It will take patience and time.
Deal with it and stop trying to undermine it at every opportunity when it arrives .
Christ knows we have enough detractors in the media willing to do that anyway.
Excellent rebuttal Charlie
and totally fucking stupid. Sutton is god, the set up mow will make everyone inside celtic planty and fuck the rest of us. They can all go fuck themselves sensless
PMSL
Wish I’d said all of that. Charlie talks how he thinks ie out of his arse.
Opinions are like a-holes we all have them 😉
The biscuit tin theory?
We spent a reported £5m on Simunovic that’s some bscuit tin.
That’s the most we have spent on a player since Scott Brown btw.
I am open to correction.
As I understand it, between fee and wages, the Derk debacle is costing five million.
windows costs 400 quid and is made of better glass.
Maybe if we had spent the £5 million on a manager we would not be also rans in Europe.
With attitudes like yours the club will get worse as time goes by.
When Deila was announced I like an awful lot of Celtic supporters said “who the fuck is he” 18 months on I’m still asking who the fuck is he.
In case people have forgotten,we are the Famous Glasgow Celtic FC,not drumshuckie rovers.
Yep top of the League and heading for 5 in a row.
No intensity, no fitness, no defensive ability, no tactics, no planning, little quality, little entertainment, little passion. Fuck 5iar. We demand a whole lot more. Europe’s all important and Deila’s lack of ability is making us a laughing stock there. Another year with European humiliation;thanks, Ronny. Another year of contempt from Desmond, Bankier & Livingston, no thanks.
Sutton is spot on. He cares and we are regressing at a rate of knots. His passion is unquestionable. Great player who cared and still cares deeply.
Roscobhoy,
Bang on m8!
Chris has too many things to say. He is always Nip nip nip and I wish he would just head back to england. I dont think many celtic fans appreciate the drivel he spouts week in wek out.
Totally disagree he was hurting like hell on thu just like we were i don’t always agree with him but you can’t question his love for the club
Hailhail,
Quite correct!
Tom,
That is a disgusting thing to say, ” head back to England “?
No respect for a legend!
Pish
Maybe if Deila showed the same passion as Chris, and the other Kris Commons,we would have been in better shape.
Big Chris was a great player but he does bump his gums whilst dancing to the hun media beat.Patience is need in spades.We’ll get there with RD at the helm and I personally will take great pleasure in that and then reminding CS of the pish that’s printed in his name.I mean who reads the DR nowadays? Oh that’s right……. KTF HH.
Why do you have to read the DR to know what Chris Sutton has said,I know and agree with what he said and I don’t read the DR or any of the other sevco media.
Very good article Charlie, I agree with everything you have set out.
Too many people are trying to make comparisons with the current side & O’Neill’s, or Strachan’s & even Lennon;s. You can’t do that the circumstances they are working under are completely different.
You mentioned the £6m we paid for Sutton, what’s the starting price for a Premeier League players that has the experience that SUtton or Hartson has in today’s market, probably a starting price of £20m. You are right we cannot compete, we need to do what clubs like Ajax do & create more of our own talent.
I just wish the Board would publicly state that that is the aim now. I for one can see that we have to operate in that manner and I would welcome the opportunity.
I get annoyed at the berating by pundits. Yes they are entitled to their opinion, but it is so much easier to criticise, do any of them try to constructively come up with solutions as to how the situation is resolved whilst we try to operate within the tight financial restrictions? No not really.
I for one back Deila, I do see what he is trying to achieve and I appreciate that that takes time and effort and in another couple of years we as a club will reap the benefits from it.
Hail Hail
Thanks Alzo good to know there are folk out there (who might not be as vociferous)who see the bigger picture as to what Deila is about and what he is trying to achieve.
The problem we have is the modern fan is impatient ,wants a quick fix and does not have the patience to see it through?
The results become all important then they increase the call for heads to roll.
If we put Europe to one side as a separate issue for a moment and look at the Domestic situation we have only lost 1 game in 17, Drawn 3.
That with a side who have not started as well as we know they can and having problems with an unsettled defence.
We sit at the top of the League with a possibility of moving 7 points clear today.
That’s not a poor position to be in as we sort ourselves out for next years tilt at Europe.
I think if we brought in an experienced CB to steady the back line as Jozo settles and perhaps replace Stokes with a decent finisher we would not be a million miles off having a decent unit when all fit and at it.
Too much emphasis is being placed on the European stuff and the media have been instrumental in reinforcing that view.
Our bread and butter is the Domestic game the dessert if you like is Europe.
Some folk need a reality check we and Clubs like Ajax are no longer a big deal in Europe the financial gulf created by UEFA has seen to that.
HH
The Celtic Fans who have jumped on the Ronny failed in Europe so sack him have just bought in to the MSM bullshit. So he wins the treble ,will be only one of 3 or 4 to do so in the clubs history and we should sack him . This bullshit is all about Sevco not being there. So the league is weakened do you really believe that ??? I would expect Celtic to have 12 pets in the bag with Sevco in the league so how is the league weakened. It is weakened more by the loss of Hibs than Sevco. The Club say they do not budget for Europe so it is bunce if they do well. Why is this manager getting stick about Europe after a season and a half in charge. When Lennon and Strachan had similar poor euro performances with better player budgets.. Deila will be here for next years ECL unless there is a domestic melt down so suck it up and when he does get us into the ECL groups I will be on here looking for you all .
Well said Dan.
Maybe if we had appointed the right manager we would have qualified for the CL group stage.Over Deila’s tenure, failure to make the CL group stages, has cost us upwards of £25 million,and you think that is ok.Being also rans in Europe is only the start,if we keep regressing at the rate Deila has us on we could also struggle at home.
We are also rans before we start Owen , due to the manner in which the ECL is set up to benefit the ‘Rich ‘clubs in Europe . We have to play 3 qualifiers as champions of our country in July when our players should still be on the beach.
Generally our opponents are either into their season or are just coming to the end of theirs. Celtic are a big club in a small country and the money split will never allow us to compete at the middle to top end of the ECL We have been fortunate to qualify two or three times for the group stages then we drop into the euros and go out of get grubbed in the knockout stages. I am fed up hearing where Celtic ‘Should be in Europe Some Celtic ‘Supporters’ need a large dose of realism . Enjoy whatever stage we reach in Europe it’s a bonus . I want the record books to show we have completed 10 titles in a row in Scotland .
I greatly admire Chris Sutton but the above reply to him is spot-on. Teams we might want to emulate are Molde and Malmo. Fit and energetic, playing as a team, without superstars or showboats. Deila can take us there. Over decades, I never once heard the MSM criticise Walter “Waistcoat” Smith for his numerous European calamities. Nobody said he would be judged solely on his European record—lucky for him. There is an agenda behind the criticism of Deila and us Tims shouldn’t be falling for it. I think they (MSM) fear that Deila, wanting to be at Celtic, might start a dynasty here. The last dynasty Celtic had was under Big Jock, who was given time to get in his own players and get them playing his way. I’m trying to remember if there were any Big Jock must go shouts at the time—I don’t recall any— yet Deila has begun winning things from the onset too.
Why are you talking about the media?
DOH!
First up Charlie…I hope you FOUND the Daily Rectum as you claim…and didnae buy it..:0)
As for your article…There’s no doubt its well written and well constructed..so congrats. for that.
Do I agree with it..’though ?
Well I’m not going to try and address each point you make…but my conclusion is… You’re saying there’s not all that much wrong and given time it will all be good again.
And that’s where we part company.
All I look for in ANY new manager..is progression and improvement..and that’s not being unreasonable I hope.
So..Have we got that under Ronny..? Well I say…No we’ve not.
If you agree that Scotland looks after itself..then its Europe that we have to concentrate on and that’s where it goes tits up.
The standard of opposition in the last two CL qualifiers wasn’t all that good…but he failed twice to negotiate our way through…and that’s failure in my book.
As for Europa..Well last year was a decent effort and I won’t criticise him for that..but surely we should have pushed on from there (as he promised we would)and qualified again this year ?
Stats. don’t lie Charlie..2 points at this stage is crap..
And not against particulary class opposition.
To repeat..All I want is obvious improvement…and it ain’t happening.
Oh and it shouldn’t need to be said but I’ll say it anyway…I don’t know Ronny…I’ve never met him…he seems a decent guy..so it ain’t personal.
I’m only interested in Celtic’s well being…and he’s not providing it.
Only my opinion of course.
Keep up the good work.
I haven’t bought a Daily Record since the day they parked a Herse outside “Parkheid”.
I was alerted to Suttons guff by a fellow twitter user.
Read it and decided I’d had enough of his pish.
We have not had a great Season in European terms to state otherwise would be foolish but then I wasn’t expecting one either I have been saying for 4 years we are not a CL level Club.
Lenny last Season we were soundly gubbed.
That aside big changes have been undertaken by both the Board and the New Manager in regards how we have to approach it Europe that is.
The Gulf in class and Finances widens almost on a yearly basis between the minor and major leagues in Europe we have no option but to alter things we simply cannot keep up.
That’s a fact.
The buy to sell policy is there through a necessity to balance the books at Celtic it is not conducive to building a squad for Europe.
The constant weakening and turnover of playing staff as our top players exit to take the golden handshake down south has had a weakening effect on anything Lenny tried to build.
Hence why he and Johan opted to go.
Deila took on a Team on the slide,he has inherited players who have already peaked through age injuries or general form those key players have struggled to maintain the levels previously under Lenny.
Lustig has been poor
Izzy has become a liability as a defender
Brown has had injury issues and his body now feeling the effects
Commons is slowing up as is Mulgrew.
Amrose has become a liability and is not trusted anymore.
Now you throw in the Injury to Van Dijks replacement Simunovic the loss of form of the POTY Johansen and the inexperience of Denaayers in Boyata then that’s the entire defence and engine room affected.
Those brought in from Dundee United have not hit the ground running Amstrong has been average to poor,GM-S a shadow of what we know he can produce and Ciftci has failed to make any impact whatsoever.
Folk wonder why we have not replicated last Season?
Get real any Manager would struggle with that set of circumstances.
Thursday night we actually played ok thee were sign s several of these new bhoys will make an impact Tierney McGregor Rogic Simunovic all had decent games.
The result never reflected the performance.
That happens especially in Europe where sides are more clinical regardless of what League they ply their trade in.
I see the start of something ,something that could possibly see us right
for the next 5-10 years as we revert back to promoting our Youth Setup.
I think Deila is the guy to take that forward.
You have a cheek calling anyone ” guff”… You talk more pish on here than anyone!
You should check your own posts.
I do check them, you should be ashamed, you put this clown Deila before a man that has bled for the club on the park.
Shocking!
Trying to score points in your own wee world way
Total clown
You don’t have to comment just ignore and get back to your FIFA 16 son.
You don’t brow beat me son…keep coming.
We can all bump our gums, luckily Chris gets paid for it and we don’t. However he and you make many good points but I am fed up hearing the mantra that it will get better, Celric are working on a long term plan bla bla bla. Heard it after every crap game over the last two seasons. I see no signs of this new green spring. I hope I am wrong but I do think we are deluding ourselves into thinking Ronnie is a good manager and knows what he is doing. All this talk of super fitness, improved diets, better training. FFS they are running on empty at times with no real enthusiasm. Where is the evidence? Show us the deeds:-):-)
sutton is told what to say be his impartial paymasters the man is a trumpet
Short fucking memory….
There is no doubt Chris loved his time at Celtic and it was the highlight of his career, but would he be here if he was still playing today, when he could earn double or triple his wages in the EPL?
Funny I never read ANY criticism from him about Celtic under NL. Is getting beat off Ajax worse than getting beat from Morton?
I honestly believe the bigoted media have got the online Tims scared with ‘war-chests’ and ‘moonbeams’.
I’v never sat at the back of no bus and I’ve no intention of starting it now. They had to cheat to beat us, never let that be forgotten. HH
Like most of my fellow supporters, Thursday night was another dagger to the heart. However, being an oldie, I remeber when Big Billy came in the first time and he inherited players like Joe Fillipi, John Dowie and Roy Kay – no disrespect to any of those guys, and Billy rebuilt with Provan, McLeod Sullivan etc. My point is we have always had periods when we have to rebuild. Billy built a very successful Scottish side but didnt do a lot in Europe. Nobody wanted Billys head!
Then we had the total down-hill almost fatal slide in the 80s & 90s. Tommy Burns had to rebuild another side and wasnt very successful in Scotland and Europe, and we all loved Tommy. (God rest him)It wasnt until Martin O’Neill and his masive £20m player investment that we actually started regularly playing European football after Xmas.
So we are where we are and now find ourselves as a club who have to buy potential and develop it or sell it on.
I for one will wait for Ronnie to develop our team and after his 3 year contract is up, I’ll be happy to judge him then.
It’s horrible at times but thats where we are right now!
Hail Hail
Like it TT.
Sutton loses all credibility he had, by working for that filthy hun rag.
HH
Fuck sake Wulz…..
Monti
Like RD or you don’t fair enough, working for that filthy stinking rag indefensible, it’s against everything we stand for, and who we represent.
HH
I will go with that Wulz.
Thought you were talking about Ian Livingston for a minute he copped it by the same people supporting Sutton although his crime was in the same area ‘ against everything we stand for and who we represent” A bit hypocritical if you ask me.
DEVOY 45, you say big Jock was given time, he came back to Celtic March 65, 2 months later won the Scots cup, his first full season won the league, league cup, reached Scots cup final, European cup winners semi final, next season Champions of Europe, and every other cup they played in, in 2 years we were the top team in Europe, The board with Ronny are taking us downhill fast, the guy is not up to it, where is his record before us, from 60K crowds now down to 25/30K at home is worrying I live in London have a season book, last season used it twice, this season once, Desmond cant even attend the AGM.S. Ronny has to go before it gets worse.
John.big Jock won the Scottish Cup with the Pars before he arrived at Paradise,My first Celtic game.The o_o draw at Hampden I still remember the excitement when he came back.We will never see his genuis again,all we want is a manager with the nouse to get us back in the CL again , we managed it before so we can manage ut again.
I remember standing at Celtic Park in 1968 when we went out to a Russian team in the first round . I don’t remember anyone having the balls to criticise Stein or shout that he should be sacked. Immediately after the game. I was also at Hampden when the jags humped us In the league cup final but Big Jock was not sacked after that either. Jock Stein was the best but he was not invincible and he would be turning in his grave at some of the posh waffle being fired at Deila just now.
Charlie,I admire your loyalty but Chris is only repeating what many supporters are saying,I would be the first to agree with young Scottish Celtic supporting players coming into the first team, and yes that will take time, I also believe that Ronnie is the man to develop them, however with our budget im sure that we could bring in a first team coach with experience to guide Celtic into the CL.We need that income to sustain the club through these dire times.Made a promise to myself many years ago never to buy the gutter press or read them,by the way ive got a quad too but its never ran off my farm.
My loyalty is with Celtic bud.
I will back the Manager as I have no issue with what he is trying to do with the Club.
….” your loyalty is with Celtic “?
But not those who gave their all on the park for Celtic tho…
Fucking clueless, Couldn’t mark your neck with a blowtorch
I’m dealing with the present issues not Suttons past.
Good player,shite pundit.
The fitness of our team is shocking. That is Ronnie’s responsibility and he has made an ass of it. His signings have been poor, 18 of them I think. 5m for Sumo I think not probably half of that. We have become an embarrassment, please please give us a manager that knows what he is doing for Xmas. Ronnie clearly hasn’t a clue what he is doing. Is he really serious saying we are on course for champions league next year? I won’t give my opinion on that as I don’t want to put down here what I really think about that.
Welcome to the Dermot Desmond fan club page. For those unfamiliar with the Ostrich Position, stick your arse in the air and you head in the sand.
I dinny like ostritches i prefer RD/JCollins headless chickens,by the way is it true that D.D.handicap is 12 but he actually plays of 24?
You obviously have not read my posts on our absentee Landlord bud.
He should be chased before Deila.
He writes for The Retard, ’nuff said
I think Sutton makes reasonable points and so does Charles. I’m more on the side to with Charles but the fact is it’s not clear cut and shows the debate and confusion that we find ourselves in.
My doubt comes in that 18 months into RD’s reign is that I’m seeing not anything consistent to pin my hat on. We seem to be in a permanent roller-coaster of emotions and transition. I would have hoped by now that the light at the end of tunnel would be in sight.
The other night, Ronny looked a man on the edge. He looked like he was waiting on the football rapture to put an end to it all.
Most fans I’ve spoken to since Thursday feel that a Mowbray in Paisley moment is on it’s way.
Sutton is an employee of the Daily Record.
He like others so called Celtic men write negative Celtic stories.
His rant on TV was a disgrace.
You had to have some empathy for Petrov and Hartson having to listen to this loud mouthed idiot.
The sad thing was had was well prepared hoping Celtic would lose .
You don’t just rhyme off 18 names without memorising them.
He should be banned from Celtic Park
Utter pish!
I’m not for banning Journos I would rather we got them in and took them to task on their comments in front of the cameras.
Show them up for what they are.
I do agree though about him spouting off like that he’s been waiting for his moment all Season (all 20 odd games of it).
Listening to and reading Chris Sutton in the MSM, all we get from him is critique but with no substance or intellect. You can tell he has been briefed to get wired into all things Celtic as it gets him air time and a pay check, but he has not produced any single word on his ideas of how Celtic can get better, not one. Maybe that is why he isn’t in management.
Any clown can mump their gums about what’s wrong, just ask Hugh Keevins !!! But sensible and constructive criticism is few and far between with ex-pro’s in the media.
Spot on Al.
Exactly what was going through my mind during his rants AL.
CHRIS SUTTON = LEGEND
A true Tim at heart. He’s hurting just like the rest of us.
Sadly when you fail in life then you seek help from any source but The Daily Record.
SUTTON=LOSER
loser? celtic are the fucking losers right now or is your head up your hole
The losers right now are are people who cannot see what guys like Sutton are doing to our Club.
Working for a paper ,which any Celtic fans will tell you has a clear Anti Celtic Agenda.
This guy Sutton is part of that agenda.or is your head up your hole
More utter pish, you have just slipped into second behind Charlie saiz
and behind me right? p.s ive written bigger articles than charlie saiz and deleted or never made the comments one referring to you calling him allistair.
Top of the League just like Ronny…excellent.
Chris Sutton was a great player for most of his career at Celtic – a true Hun-skelper.
Unfortunately, I saw him on more than one occasion completely ignore young fans trying to get his autograph and in fact ran passed them to get to his car. Hartson on the other hand was great with fans and knew how important the club meant to them.
Fucking A dude
Keep your private life separate Monti there are kids read this stuff.
Sutton is a soup taker.
Sutton has nothing but hatred for Deila & has showed it from first day
Sutton as co-commentator never, never stops criticising Ronny. No other co- commentator even the most pro -Rangers contributors do this .
Unfortunately poor Chris failed at Lincoln City and has failed in his own life as despite earning millions at Blackburn, Chelsea and Celtic he wasted all and lost all at the Bookies . He thinks he is qualified to tell our Board how to run a club or Delia how to run a team
I never mentioned Sutton in my previous post..I will now.
I hope he spends his 30 pieces of silver wisely…along with all the other “Celtic men” who have taken the Queen’s shilling.
Shower of shite the lot of them.
Pish
Just a note it was on bt sports he made his comments, for those who keep mentioning the daily record.
As for hating delia? He’s interviewed him twice actually says he likes him.
Get the facts right folks.
Damien Smith do you know what ur on about.
Teams an embarrassment Chris is talking from the heart the Tory board are taking us for a ride empty seats don’t lie
Absolutely mate,
I cannae believe some of the shite being said about Sutton….out of order!
All the SOUP-TAKERS who get jobs within the media end up toeing the line. Former players who were lucky enough to pull on the hoops and were adored by millions of Celtic fans. They owe their comparatively lavish lifestyles to the Celtic fans who have given their cash, blood, guts, passion, some even their lives.
Some have had benefit matches and received plenty from us. None will fight our corner. They do as they are told or they get the bullet.
NONE save those two fine men, Tom Boyd and Tosh McKinlay who told them to do one when they couldn’t speak the truth.
Will any of them ever have the guts to speak out on the REAL illness in our sport? A GOVERNING BODY who has overseen the steep decline in Scottish football’s reputation and standing. The acceptance of an EBT by the compromised heid bummer. I see this payment as a bribe, nothing more nothing less. Why not attack or call to account the real culprits?
In my opinion,Chris Sutton is just asking the same questions and expressing the same emotions as most celtic fans want to ask and show but don`t have the opportunity to do so . Nothing wrong with that. Needs to be done . What’s more important is whether, if there is any reaction or acknowledgment ( which I doubt) is positive and recognises the concerns and growing apathy. This needs addressed not ‘dressed’as a blip. All this learning over the last 18month need to transpire onto the pitch in the form of display,performance and results. Seeing improvement in training is not enough.
2014-15 Season:
Played 15
Won 11 Drawn 2 Lost 2
Scored 29 Conceded 9 -Goal Difference +20
Points 35
2015-16 Season:
Played 15
Won 11 Drawn 3 Lost 1
Scored 38 Conceded 11- Goal Difference +27
Points 36
Considering we lost our Central Defensive pairing in Denaayer and Van Dijk I would consider that a slight improvement at the stage of the season on the Park.
Celtic are 7 points in front in the league are in the semis of the league cup and have still to start the SCup The Euro campaign has finished before Cristmas not for the first time at Celtic under previous managers . What is not to like ? We are well on the way to 5 in a row towards the Ten . Who is going to get the credit for ten in a row it might not be Ronny but he will have taken us along that road and deserves credit for it 10 in a Row , remember when we stopped them doing it and how it felt?
We will always be clutching at Europe because of the Money game it has become but at home we have a major target to aim at and every Celtic Fan needs to get behind the Whole club and stop the bitching to achieve it . Unless of course, unlike me you believe the hype that will come when we achieve it , that it is TAINTED
Sutton sees the problems that pirate pete and his big bonus does not,it is not just one game it,18 months of shite,we cannot score against rubbish like kilmarnock at home,but today a park side from maryhill took 5 off them at rugby park,Deila should never have been appointed,and should have been told to fuck off after LEGIA WARSAW
Maybe if Ronny Deila had shown the same passion Chris Sutton and Kris Commons had shown we would have still been in the CL groups.
Sorry but I have said since day one he did not have the credentials to be manager of the famous Glasgow Celtic FC.
Owen,
Excellent mate!
Charlie Saiz,
Quite simply….pish!
You are taking to ask a man who burst his gut for Celtic, he gave us some wonderful memories both in performances and goals, not to mention commitment, the only position on the park the man didn’t play in was goalkeeper.
A Celtic legend in the hearts of Celtic supporters.
What next? If Billy Mcneill was to say Deila was shite and needed to go, will you start attacking our greatest captain as well.
Your so called ” counter arguments ” are pious shite.
Incredible!
I bet when Tony Mowbray was embarrassing us with his nonsense you were asking for him to be given more time to build a team?
FFS Nurse!!
“Lustig,Izaguirre,Ambrose,Brown and Commons are on the downhill section it would appear?”
Commons scored 32 goals in the season before Delia arrived. Then Delia arrived and – as you do when you have a 32 goal player on your hands – didn’t play him. When Commons plays Celtic are a far better team.
Ambrose, like Delia himself, has been on the downhill section ever since he arrived.
Sutton’s crtiticism was a bit scatter-gun, but he smells decay and bullshit around Parkhead and is right to speak his mind. Celtic are hurtling backwards under Delia, of that there is no doubt.
Devoy45 – Jock Stein had won the European Cup within two years of taking over at Celtic.
Chris Sutton said this on signing for Celtic ” I’m here to put Rangers in their place “….and he fucking did.
Some of you have very short memories on here, turning on one of your own….fucking shocking!
Charlie Saiz,
You remind me of Adele’s new song…..you start off ok then my head starts fucking hurting.
🙂
You remind me of a guy on another Forum I used to frequent who used to ruin every single thread abusing and swearing at folk who did not agree with his point of view.
He left in the end when it transpired the same guy had 5 accounts and was constantly backing up his rebel rousing with these accounts.
You should get back to your X Box and leave the constructive deb
ate to the adults on here.
Ya clown.
Fuckwit
Abusing and swearing at folk?
You are a law unto yourself son and I saw through you in 5 mins.
You defend the indefensible and try to dominate everyone’s alternative view…
Well say hello to your fucking nemesis
In your head you are my Nemesis.
In my reality you are a few lines of irrelevance on a screen.
That’s it Monti.
How slow is Commons on FIFA anyway?
Adele!
You look in the mirror and you are ashamed at what is looking back.
Charlie, you and many others are being taken for a ride. Put all the poor league and constrained budgets pish to one side. We have been pumped by Legia, Maribor, Malmö and Molde, teams who play in shit leagues with smaller budgets than Celtics. The performances have not improved one bit since Legia, same naive play and tactics. Unless things changeout will be the same next season again but this time we won’t squeeze past the Azerbaijani’s or khazaks.
I remember us just managing to squeeze past Shakhter Morton a goal line clearance and a bas width from exiting that Season.
bars’
The Ronny Roar……WTF?
Dreadfully embarrassing and it needs to stop..
FIFA 16 on the XBOX is quite realistic, I am the Celtic manager and I asked the board for extra funds…….they declined 🙂
Well said Monti ! Adel would make some of these ideas give me a headache !
Big Chris is right the board are filling their pockets at the expense of the Celtic support .
It is clear the supporters ( In business terms the consumers ) are being provided sub standard football with no consideration for their needs !
I suggest we go the German route of supporters owning the club rather than a wealthy few who cling to their profits and bonuses !!!!
Give the Celtic support seats on the board who have football as their agenda !
Cheers
Geordie in Adelaide
I was on the wrong bit of the blog, I have predicted ICT 0 Celtic 4. Get your shirts on Celtic to score first.
The game will be off Jim.
Get a few tunes on tonight Jim, Bik Mcfarlane ‘ something inside so strong’! HH
love that song monti. you need it at times.
For this one I either get built up or I break my heart. Jimmy McGrory was my granny’s cousin. something I’m very proud of.
I am related to the McStays via my Granny.
sorry, monti,
‘ Terrorist or the dreamer ‘ very warming to the soul, as is ‘ song for marcella ‘
Tal
Can’t believe some of the tripe I’m reading here especially the moronic input from two amoeba brained halfwits Monti and fellow clown FredCDobbs. Sutton whilst a smashing player for us proved his worth as a manager to be the square root of feck all. He has prostituted himself by taking the 30 pieces of silver from that Hun rag all because he didn’t have the Intelligence to look after the fortune he earned whilst playing football. He is also an arrogant arsehole with no time for the fans despite what he would have you believe. RD will prove this fanny wrong despite the kiddy on Celtic supporters who want him sacked. By the way ya nuggets. Who do you have in mind to replace him. Only a FUD would touch the job and be exposed to the crap spouted by the ‘best fans in the world’. Aye right. GBRD
Charlie, let me strip away all the noise and ask a question;
forget budgets, previous managers, Europe, fitness, trophies, forget it all. I submit to you that a good manager creates a team on the park that is greater than the sum of the individual parts. Please read that last sentence and let it sink in, and ask yourself is Ronnie achieving that very thing?
Now my stance is that currently Ronnie is not achieving this. Forget who has left, who is getting older, who mibbe doesn’t like him; he has circa 25 players to work with, his job is to pick the 11-14 he has at his disposal that will carry out his instructions best, and have them play with synergy and get the best out of them. That is the fundamental requirement of his job.
Take three players, GMS, Armstrong, and Johansen. One was POTY, the other two heralded as quality signings and a vision of the future under Ronnie. To a man on this site all three were lauded and the future was bright. How can all three have regressed so markedly, they are shadows of six MONTHS ago. Why can’t our manager get performances from these three players?
I so want Ronnie to do well, I want him given another UCL go and sack him immediately should he fail again. But he has to show us something, and has to show it soon.
The League position and Cup results would suggest yes he can.
His results in Norway would suggest and back this up given time his methods will reap better rewards.
Funny you should mention Stefan Johansen since it was Deila who turned his career round in Norway?So much so in fact Celtic went in and bought him for a Club record at Stromgodset.
Johansen was player of the year under Deila he has hit poor form this Season as is the nature of Footballers at certain times in their career.
Lustig has not had a great Season
Izaguirre has not had a great Season
Armstrong has been mediocre
Browns form has been up and down
Simunovic was injured almost right away
Boyata has seen little Football in 3 years
Ambrose has become even more frenetic
Commons has been injured
Mulgrew out for 2 months
Ciftci has yet to show any sort of form
Mackay-Steven has been found out in Europe
Need I go on?
Couple that with the loss of the Central pairing who broke a 96 year League Defensive record and we have yet to have a settled back 4 for more than 3 games and you can kinda see it’s been tough for us to get any sort of flow going.
Yet there we are top of the Table still in both Cups without even hitting anywhere near the form we have shown under him previously.
Now you can dismiss all of that as an irrelevance all you like but the fact remains Injuries,form and individual errors have cost us far more then anything than Deila has these past 18 months.
That is why I and many more Celtic fans who are not moaning and demanding he be chased are quite prepared to let him see the job through.
We see past the European results.
Europe is after all a rather large step up for most SPL players.
Even more so now in these lean times.
I fancy a wee clearout may well be on the cards come January some of the deadwood out and some of our young talent back to inject some freshnesh into the squad.
O’Connell ,Fisher,Henderson,Lindsay,Findlay,McMullan and Christie.
Couple them with Tierney,McGregor,Nesbitt and now an emerging Miller we have plenty to be looking forward too in the very near future.
Deila is the right man to bring these through he has worked wonders on Rogic,Tierney and Forrest who now seems to be over the worst of the injuries that have blighted his career.
I have faith in the man.
If he can bed some of these in and still win Silverware meanwhile then I am prepared to give him the 3 years he was signed up for.
Why?
Because that’s how long it takes to Develop a side 3-5 years.
Good post Charlie, I wonder how many of the Ronnie haters have complained in the past about Lennon and Strachan not bringing through the youth. What is the point of Lennoxtown when we don’t see any of our own youngsters getting the chance.? Is what they would say
I can see change coming but it won’t be Ronny, some of the players in their last contracts I feel .
Totally agree and those who know that time is coming are beginning to show the strain.
Stokes outburst on Twitter a prime example.
Commons display after the Molde game.
Just not good enoughI’m afraid both these players see the younger ,fresher version of themselves making headway.
That pass Allan put through to Griffiths v Ajax…Commons does that we have the likes of Sutton declring him the new Pirlo..difference is Allan also digs in tacks back and puts a shift in.
Rogic is another and christ knows Christie will also be pushing them.
I can see a clearout coming a break up of the old guard that way Ronny can get that energy and movement he obviously wants.
Ambrose Mulgrew Stokes Izzys days are numbered methinks.
Oh God I’ve made a mess of that. I only tried to post a link. Now there’s a cacophony of Celtic coming on. Ralph, help. Delete my post please.
Seems OK now just one song. Forget my earlier request Ralph turn it up a bit.
” Tried break you in a living he’ll, but they couldn’t find a way ”
Freedom’s fight can be won if we all stand as one!!!!!
TIOCFAIDHARFUCKINGLA!
Chris Sutton, god bless you son, a true Celtic warrior who loves us and our club!
Jim,
Listen to ‘ The ballad of Alan Ryan ‘ a true warrior of Ireland!
The club is going backwards , the board have an obligation to uphold are great past in Europe ,we have the second richest man in the UK as are majority shareholder and he will not put a penny in unless his position is in danger, DD will go down in Celtic history as the man who held Celtic back , as for Chris Sutton I couldn’t agree more at what point is getting beat in Europe for two years a learning curve , its time for change at Celtic from top to bottom
There’s nothing worse than your own turning against your own!
Those of you abusing Sutton are a fucking disgrace, a man who gave his all to make us happy and you are bringing this man down????
Look in the fucking mirror and lower your heads.
Shameful lads fucking wrong!
What he did as a player has absolutely no relevance to what he say’s as a media pundit.
Two separate things altogether.
I liked him as a player but I find his constant undermining of what the Manager is trying to achieve fucking tedious.
He’s been at Deila since the minute he took the job.
For that it is he who is the disgrace in my eyes.
That’s because Sutton knows Deila is out his depth!!!
Fucking wake up man….
I can’t get my head round this, we have a fucking clown as a manager yet some choose to attack a club legend because he expresses views shared by THOUSANDS of Celtic supporters??
Pathetic!
Anyway,
Very disappointed with your thread Charlie Saiz, i’m away to put my turtle beaches on and blast the Rebel tunes, spend some time with true comrades.
Hope you wake in the morning ashamed at besmirching a Celtic legend in Chris Sutton.
FIANNA…. TAKE ME UP UP AND AWAY
CHRISTY MOORE….VIVA LA QUINTE BRIGADA
SHEBEEN….GO ON HOME BRITISH SOLDIERS
I’m disappointed Charlie.
I thought you had more about you than that, but as I suspected, I was wrong.
you’re another fucking twat too
Bogbhoy,
Get tae fuck!
this site is a diasgrace, completely anti Celtic, ralph lets through what he wants.
You know where the door is ..sure you stormed out of it weeks ago declaring you won’t be back.