I’ll keep it short today. If i ramble on for too long I’ll lose the point I’m going to make.
Sit down. Take a deep breath. Relax.
You can’t, can you ?
Nor me.
That was shite. right up there with Nuechatel Xamax, with Artmedia , with Lyon after Larsson broke his leg.
Celtic were beaten by a better team. Like Fenerbache were, and Ajax nearly were.
Every one of us has our own opinion as to why we were not only beaten, but well beaten.
It’s Ronny’s fault-It’s john Collins, it’s Peter Lawwell.
It’s because we signed Carlton Cole, or whatever else we can pin the blame on to avoid facing the real truth.
A truth that became evident as the game went on.
The players don’t give a toss.
That wasn’t a Celtic team out there last night. That was some guys in green shirts , which appear indeed to have shrunk to fit inferior players. although as much as i’d like to, we can’t blame that on New Balance.
The petualnce, or passion, shown by Kris Commons when he was replaced by Nadir Ciftci when Deila decided to go with two up front is indicative perhaps of a much deeper problem at Celtic Park, a problem which has surfaced since Virgil van Dijk left, and has now come to the fore.
Commons had a go at Colllins and Kennedy. That doesn’t concern me, it shows he cares. But it would have been better to show that passion before he was taken off, maybe infecting the docile bunch around him.
And they were docile, which is why we got beat.
There was no attempt to lift the game to a tempo we know they players are capable of.
Instead we got half arsed tackles, piss poor passing and the usual aimless pots at goal.
Now this is up to Deila to sort out. He is the manager. but calls for his head ?
Get a grip. If the players can pay him lip service at Lennoxtown and then take the piss on matchdays, then what chance has he got ?
What chance would someone else have ?
Commons may well have his own opinions on how the game should have been played, or indeed what players should have been asked to play it.
But he isn’t the manager, and his only concern should be how he performs, and perhaps encouraging those around him to perform better.
There is a time and place to have a go at your gaffers, and it isn’t on national tv.
And to be honest, Collins ( that smarmy look he gave commons ) and Kennedy should also be disciplined for their outburst.
Theres still three games to play, two at home. We need to win all three.
We won’t do that by sacking the manager.
We won’t do that by sacking the coaches.
We will do that by reminding the players they play for Celtic, and need to grow back into those jerseys. They need to show the passion , commitment and skill that got them into those jerseys in the first place.
Hooped jerseys that is. Maybe we are shite away from home because we insist on wearing tops that are designed for their saleability.
We should wear the hoops away from home in europe.
It would remind the players who they are representing.
Because last night they appeared to have forgotten.
If Commons doesn’t apologize publicly then he should be transfer listed immediately. No one involved in that shambles last night can hold their head up and say they gave everything. Commons passing was atrocious in the first half, can’t speak about the second half because by then I couldn’t bear to watch another second of that pish.
Commons has nothing to apologise for Maestro, he did show he gives a fuck, that’s more than can be said about the rest of them last night.
I wouldn’t include Nir Bitton in that because he burst his gut!
Scott Brown is another who is a bit comfy with life at Celtic park, too much money for little return from some of these charlatans! HH!
Yes he does and if you think otherwise then you are a bigger idiot than I had you down for Monti.
Traing this moning would have consisted of a 3 hour beastin then a in the gym then a game of red arse with Roberto Carlos flown in to take the kicks.
I cancelled my first reply there because I’m better than what I wrote.
If you feel the need to call people ‘ idiots ‘ because they have a differing viewpoint from you, then I suggest you have an issue or two.
If having a strong passion for Celtic makes you an idiot these days, well…..
Sad stuff Charlie, expected though!
He should’ve kept that for the dressing room. He isn’t the manager, whether Commons likes it or not Delia is in charge. I’d have thought more of him if he’d grabbed a few by the collar while he was still on the park but as I said, his performance was poor too. Biton I’ll give you, maybe a bit of my anger coming to the for there lol
*fore
Lol!
Ralph has summarised lasts debacle succinctly, no point in singling out individuals to apportion blame. We are all upset, rightly so, but it’s history now, spilt milk and all the classic platitudes will not reverse the result. Three games to go, we can still progress. KTF
Morning Ralph, I would have said good morning but it isn’t fucking good.
I agree with what you have said Ralph but only to a point, which won’t surprise you.
Like you say, that wasn’t a Celtic team out there and I actually feel we got off lightly with a 3-1.
Regularly during the match last night I was disgusted with our inability to pass the ball, keep the ball and create.
There is something broken at Celtic and it needs fixing soon.
As for Deila Ralph, this is where we disagree, I would fucking sack him today and bring in a manager to give him the remainder of this season to galvanise a team to be ready for qualifiers in pre – season.
I see nothing from Deila but bluster and more bluster, I think it’s all over for him, he is out of his depth in my opinion.
As for the players last night, Bitton aside, you all should be fucking ashamed, you are a disgrace to our shirt and our club.
GET THE FUCKING FINGER OUT…. ALL OF YOU!
Embarrassed!
Best Diary I have read on here in months well said Ralph absolutely spot on every single word of it.
I would put the same team out this week and tell them they are playing for their future.
REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE(OR THINK THEY ARE).
” I would put the same team out this week ” HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA…… WHY??
“I would put the same team out this week and tell them they are playing for their future.”
Shall I break out the crayola next time?
Crayola? beastin?
Oh dear, oh dear!
I wouldn’t Charlie , we can afford to drop some points so bin them all against DU make the worst culprits sit in the front row of the stand in full view and embarrass them out of their lethargy . All except Effe and Izzy that is they should be flying off to somewhere in Europe never to be seen in the Hoops again . Neither of them can defend and they were both culprits last night again. A new defence built around the Croatian hopefully . Biton for captain on Sunday send in the youths .
You can hide in the stands bud there are no hiding places out there on a pitch.
Like I said tell them they are playing for their future and see who raises their game.
If they can’t or won’t then adios go sit in the stand till January.
If Deila can’t get these players to play then it is his fault. He’s. Manager who seems incapable of managing with two clueless wooden stooges too. He has had plenty of time to turn things round and it is hgetting worse. If we continue to accept this crap then more fools us.
That ‘performance’ just spawned a new adjective for Celts to use:
MOLDE – A demonstration of gross ineptitude, with non-existent leadership, by feckless bunch of non-entities.
E.G. – ‘That was the most Molde performance I’ve seen since we were gubbed by (insert name of opponent)’
Or He played a Molder.
What a shite performance and as far as the 3 stooges (izzy ambrose Boyata )clowns the mistakes just keep coming and no one seams able 2 correct stan petrov was right could have been 10 and that’s from a team 7th in the Norwegian league for fuck sake the team is just shite and the fans need to accept that but nothing will change till the fans show their disgust
Time for Deila to go, he looked like Tony Mowbray sitting on the bench last night. The players clearly aren’t playing for him and some of them are going backwards at an alarming rate.
I’d like to see a coach in who can drill in the basics in terms of being able to defend and hold shape; had enough of these modern snake oil salesmen Guardiola wannabies like Deila with their pressing obsession, bullshit formations and bizarre lineups and substitutions.
As for bringing in Carlton Cole, what a joke that is. This guy has been lampooned everywhere he’s played and what does it say about the signing of Ciftci? Are we saying that that was a mistake? Already? What the hell happened to John Park and the scouting policy – has that gone out the window too? Has Deila had anything to do with that? He has to go.
I’ve been saying this for ages. Every club is trying to find the next klopp. Fancy managers.
Load of bull if u ask me. Basics were all wrong last night. Defence needs a top coach to train them. Izzy I’m afraid looks completely out of his depth.
London Celtic,
Absolutely!
PR,
Morning.
I agree with you regarding Deila, he needs to go now, not in January or the summer, now.
The team is regressing and the fans are being asked to watch utter shite!
I made my mind up months ago about Deila, he I believe is At a club that is too much for him, there is one thing managing Stromgodset and another managing Celtic.
His philosophies and ideals may be forward thinking and innovative, but is that the right thing for Celtic?
We are making a relatively easy game look like a Hun on Mastermind.
For me I would have a shortlist of three, Brendan Rodgers
David Moyes
Gordon Strachan.
Strachan has signed a new 2 year deal but they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.
To back Deila now would be an act of sheer folly and incompetence from the board.
Last night sickened me and let’s be honest here, it should have been worse.
Celtic are now losing regularly to opponents who are nowhere near the size of a club Celtic is, this cannot go on.
I have no faith in this management team, a number of players and the board.
Time for change…Celts for change!
For me I would have a shortlist of .. Brendan Rodgers
HAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie IS our Brendan Rodgers!
Talks of this, talk sof that, sounds all beautiful football world fantastic.
In harshreality, team is limp and lifeless!
We git abolsutley fucked over last night by a bunch of weans on fuck all wages. Embarrassing beyond belief.
I cant wait for the pitch and the rain excuses coming up soon.
We were playing a known counter attacking side…whats did we do…Attack them with a team as hard and strong as john Collins voice…its fucking lunacy
The manager is on a very slidey slope. I was all for him and new approach back in the day, now Im decidenly “Ronnie please Shape up or ship out” as I see nothing this season but regression and disharmony.
Backsliding CSC!
What’s your alternative to Deila then?
HaHa
Weans ??? There captain was 40 and they had some 30 somethings playing as well.
If I had 10 minutes with Ronny Deila I would say this to him..
Ronny you came to Celtic with a clear vision and plan of how you perceived we should play and approach games.
I believed then as I do now that plan/vision was and is the correct one for us to be successful at home and to compete in Europe.
The high tempo, pressing game you wanted us to play is the correct approach as it can be a great leveller if you can sustain it for the full game as you suggested we might.
Now that aside this Season we don’t seem to be pressing teams as high as we were at the end of last Season?
This could be down to fitness levels in the early seson I do not know but I do know we are not producing the same level of intensity all over the Park.
Some players are and others aren’t and we are as a team collectively suffering as a result.
The passing which is so hit and miss now is now going sideways again as it was under Neil Lennon previous to your arrival now whilst that’s fine when you are retaining possession whilst holding a lead it simply offers nothing in attack when chasing a game.
Our defence is shambolic at times at the moment but to keep altering it is a bad move.
If players are under performing they should not be playing that is poor management and last night you fielded several who have in recent weeks under performed.
Lustig,Armstrong,Johansen,Mackay-Steven amd Izaguirre have all been below par this Season you should take full responsibility for fielding them.
The reaction of Kris Commons was way out of order he should be severely dealt with for he has embarrassed our Club way beyond any poor result ever could in front of a great many looking on.
I think you need to go to MrLawwell or whoever else is controlling player acquisitions and DEMAND we spend proper finances we obviously need to play at this level because the current approach is doing you/us no favours whatsoever.
Your a good man and I think a Manager with great promise please do not let the reactions of a few deluded numpties put you off achieving your aims.
You need to take a step back and then get this squad playing in the manner you had them playing last Season we have drifted of course.
What utter pish.
Totally,
I think he is a control freak!
Charlie Saiz,
Do you think you could show some self restraint and not refer to me as an idiot?
You’re running around like a circus clown trying to shoot down everyone’s opinions?
I thought you ex squaddies had discipline?
Right left right left
You should go back under your bridge Fungus.
Well said PR. I like Ronny but last night was his Mowbray moment for me. I’m getting towards the sack him side. For me he has 3 European games to turn it around or he should go. He keeps going with a defence which everyone can see isn’t good enough or at least setup to play to its ‘strengths’. Johansen playing is a joke, what has he done this season, if there are unsubbable players how can he expect to be respected by other players?
The difference is that Mowbray won nothing !
Whilst I would love to qualify from this group (however unlikely) it is not the top priority.
That has to be making sure we are ready for the Champions League qualifiers next summer. Unfortunately I have no faith that Ronny is capable of doing that, so for that reason alone he has to go now.
Any new manager will need time to sort this mess out.
Ronny has been there 18 months now, can anyone genuinely say there has been any progress?
For me we are worse collectively than we are individually, that smacks of bad management.
As for who would replace Ronny, I honestly have no idea. PL will no doubt look for another “Yes man” so would anything really change?
Depressing times.
Spot on Franko!
agree with every word
Have to agree
Celtic team for the Utd game:
Bailly
Janko
Lustig
Simunovic
Tierney
Mackay- Steven
Bitton
Armstrong
Commons
Ciftci
Griffiths
4-4-2
^ Mike Bassett^
“Four Four fucking two”
Exactly.
That’s exactly what we need Monti, a complete overhaul. And get Scott Allan on the bench.
Thanks Jim,
It’s the team and system I’d play on Sunday and I would make Commons captain.
I would make him manager ahead of the clueless one.
Could we have serious suggestions about who we would like to see replace Deila?
Charlie Saiz,
Feel free to come up with an alternative to Deila, if not, try and not ridicule others for puting their thoughts forward!
That is the problem Monti, there doesn’t seem to be any obvious candidates to replace Ronny.
I think we missed a trick with Slaven Bilic (said he would be ideal a few years back) however no idea whether he would ever have come to us, certainly not now.
Davie Moyes? Would surely get us organised. But again, would he come?
Are we realistically looking at John Hughes? On that basis, would there really be any merit in sacking Ronny?
I think John Hughes would be an improvement.
No doubt about that.
Franko,
I only throw in the names I think would do the club a turn mate, some ridicule that but don’t put an alternative forward.
One thing I think everybody would agree on though, is that last night has to be the catalyst for change.
Completely agree with you Monti, there’s no point saying lets bring in Guardiola or Mourinho, it aint gonna happen. We need to be realistic, and that being the case I really struggle to put forward anyone that I think would be a major improvement. That said, I still think Ronny should go! Now if that isn’t confusing then I don’t know what is!
Not Hughes after his childish bleating following the semi-final last season. Threatening to give up football if his player was banned for a deliberate handball on the line? Pathetic.
Anyone who would get rid of scott brown. As for charlie being an ex squaddie, it makes a lot of sense.
Yogi.
I vote that we keep Deila right now. We monitor Larsson’s son and when he is good enough to play regular first team football for Celtic we get Larsson in. As angry as I am with Ronny right now I am more angry with John Collins and John Kennedy. In my opinion we need an old wily tactical character in there instead of The Johns (with Kennedy going back to working with the development squad). It’s Collins doing in my opinion.
What is happening to this club!More than a club? Not be too long til we’re billed as the plucky minnows, who are now continually blowing us away.If it looks like and smells like Scheidt it probably is. Need more fuckin quality,need more money and ambition to get quality players. Rip it up and start again! Don’t think adios to any single player, coach, manager, board member or owner would or could make this clubs grinding, continual, heartbreaking slide into mediocrity any worse. We need to see change,not the type used to lure in crap players. Real tangible revitalising change. Not as simple as sack Ronnie, though he has bullshitted us he could Polish a turd. We need direction from the top, a new vision, money and ambition. We lost Lennie ( a wee man who genuinely loved Celtic) to the bright lights and platinum plaited lure of Bolton? Says it all doest it. Keep doing the same things and you’ll keep getting the same results. Time for us all to pray to St Anthony, see can he find any trace of the mighty Hoops,not the wee minnows arseholing about around Celtic Park at the minute….. That fireworks display could be a good bet next week though
Thing is Green Day, I think our squad for all their faults are capable of much more. I think the management team have lost the dressing room. Too many players are going backwards.
I hear ya Jim. But poohoo for those poor players who don’t get along with their management, rings a bell. Some of us have to work seven days aweek 500 miles from home with cunts,but we still have to put in a shift! They’re fuckin playin for CELTIC.they’re GIVEN the Jersey, we have to pay for it AND it seems were prouder than them to wear it!
That’s the thing Green Day players nowadays are mercenaries, kissing the shirt to prove it!!!
At least Commons showed a bit of passion last night, although I wish he had kept it for the changing room.
we seem to be looking around for ways of blaming others for the shambles in order to some how excuse the manager
Ronnie seems a decent guy, and there have been occasions when a new style Celtic team has peaked out. but these times have been too rare and we are not far off free fall in my opinion
on 3 El games so far we have conceded 7 goals. we are a total shambles in defence. you can bitch about the attitude of the players and you’d be right it stinks but when problems are as deep set as ours appear to be then it’s the manager who goes, sack one of him and try getting a better tune out of the 20 or so in the playing squad.
just as bad we are now in a place where the fans are divided – the should be stay or go and the Celtic support is always best when it’s together
How many times now under Ronnie have we conceded terrible goals and down no appetite for a fight back? we paid well for ten minutes last night. ten minutes. I switched over after 2-0 only flicking back now and again at they’re is no belief there that this team under Ronnie had the drive to go and fight it’s easy back into a game
he can go in the morning for me and take the coaching team with him. yes commons should be fined but that’s a side note just a small insight into the working environment created at the club
sorry for the typos but the gist is clear.
Charlie Saiz,
Try and be a little more constructive, it makes for better reading by other posters.
Calm down.
good pal of mine is a big Liverpool fan was talking about Rodgers going asked if he wasn’t sad s Rodgers was Irish like us. he said yeah but in the end Brendan was a spoofer
I think we’ve had enough time to come to the same conclusion about Ronnie
I’ve no idea what a spoofer is but I could hazard a guess!
Like Rodgers, Ronny seems like a decent and honest guy. But he is out of his depth I’m afraid, time to go.
And someone mentioned Klopp earlier, who’s another joker. Look what happened to Dortmund after the good players were sold / got injured.
Point being, the high tempo pressing game that everyone loves works if you’ve got the players but if you’re at the sort of level Celtic are at all, with players whose awareness and reactions are not quite up to the highest level, all that happens against superior opposition is that they get attracted to the ball and caught out of position. Pretty much sums up most of the goals we’ve lost in Europe this year.
Celtic need to get someone in who can coach proper positional play when we don’t have the ball in particular, work on this to death in pre-season so we’re ready for the European qualifiers. Might not be the prettiest to watch but we can always try and be more expansive as the season progresses having achieved CL qualification and built up some steam in the SPL.
Is it just ,e or is there a certain irony in Commons (who stayed at the club for less money, apparently) arguing with Collins, who left for more. And left at a time when things were starting to change for the better for Celtic.
I’ve no problem with what Commons did. The management team spent the night sitting on their hands on the bench watching it go wrong in Europe with no attempt made to communicate any change in tactics or ideas to any of the players. Commons got hooked and only said to them what each and every Celtic fan watching would have.
Spot on PR.
Agree with every word you said on the ‘contest’ last night. 3 of the back 4 are internationals with hundreds of caps between them and they couldn’t see the runners for all 3 of the goals?! My 15 year old who only started playing football this year (he’s a late developer) called all 3 goals BEFORE they happened how come our internationals couldn’t see and take action?!
if we stop going the board will have to act!!! a boycott not just of the manager but the way we have been run over the last 5 years!!! it is time for change, charlie saiz is correct when he points out the downsizing and its not the managers fault but the cold facts are he is not good enough… not ronnys fault that the job is too big for him just a fact of life im aftraid!!! stop buying jerseys, stop going to games or even better a walk out half way into a game and said these clown a messgage!!! we changed it in 1994 and we can do it again
** spelling horrendus when your raging!!!
you’re not your, sorry couldn’t resist!!
hahahaha cheers danny
Thanks Ralph for bringing me back to reality. I was so depressed this morning that I was about to head straight to Dunoon from Gourock without the boat.
I have never seen so many individual mistakes in one game. Broonie said they never turned up! Unfortunately they did and all were technically pish poor (except Biton perhaps). They also showed a worrying lack of commitment and energy.
My problem is that I have seen the same team play really well at times so they are much better that we got last night.
RD needs to get them to play their A game every time take the field or die in the effort to do so. Still time! Please God.
HH
I am fed up with all of this, fifty years of supporting Celtic but even in our bleakest days, and we have had plenty of them, I have never lost as much faith as I am now.
Players, even Efe don’t all of a sudden become shit. They go on the park with instructions, they can’t all not follow these instructions at the one time.
Four words: Bring in Paul Lambert
Good shout, if it’s the Paul Lambert of Colchester United and Norwich….
At what point do fans stop blaming one person for such an abject performance?
The bottom line is just about every player who lost us that game last night failed to produce anywhere near the level of peformance we know they can?
I think if you were to ask Lustig Brown Izzy Armstrong Johansen and even Commons what they thought of their own individual performance they flat out tell you they were pish,innefective for large parts of the game and pissed off they had failed to raise their game.
NO TEAM no matter how good can afford for such numbers or important players to fail to deliver in the same game and expect anything other than a shite performance.
I watched Johansen fail to pass a ball 5 feet to Armstrongs feet and put it out of touch last night?
Fuck me that’s unacceptable at Sunday League level let alone Europa League.
These players are capable of so much more that’s a fact.
Under this Manager they have delivered so much more that is also a fact… facts lost on so many of you.
It was a COLLECTIVE fuck up.
That just begs the question why are so many underperforming? There’s something wrong at training and/or the changing room I suspect.
Players form can dip and raise over a Season that’s not unusual Jim the problem is so many seem to have dipped at the same time and when that happens (see Chelsea) then they become hopeless as a unit.
Molde are not a bad side regardless of their League position (Inter were floundering in their League when we met them btw) their European form has been excellent.
Where as they seem to have raised their game for the big occasion ours seems to have slipped the opposite way at times?
I think there is a clique at Celtic and perhaps those at the heart of it are those who have fallen by the wayside since Lenny left?
Mulgrew Stokes and Commons perhaps?
I noticed Stokes was quick to defend Commons on Twitter last night and Mulgrews comeback to fitness is taking an age?
There has been rumours for a while now about a clique who have not bought in to Ronny (or perhaps more so John Collins?). Also there seems to be issues with some of the players and Stephan J.
Maybe we should copy auld Wattie Smiths approach, encourage them to have a game of golf together and go for a drink afterwards – you know a kind of Bonding exercise. They could have a drink in Bairds Bar. (I know it’s closed now, so that’s ideal, keep any bar brawls out of the public eye) 🙂
One or two not turning up then fair enough, it happens. Almost every player not turning up looks like a lost dressing room
Name half a dozen performances that spanned the full 90 minutes both domestically and in Europe, that you could truly say, Celtic were excellent in under Deila?
I think you would struggle to name 3.
Well another pisspoor European outing and a player who was so angry about being taken off in light of how he thought other players were playing. Commons although not stellar was one of only two players who seemed to be trying hard. I think it was clear that he had had enough of Collins and the bench’s “decision making.” It does look like the coaching staff are failing to get tactics, set up and motivation right. Look like players are not buying into the system or are unable to play in the system. So either get players who can or change the system. This was like some other really flat European games and trash talking at Malmö and Molde didn’t help. Seems like the trash talk betrays a bit of arrogance and maybe less intense preparation. Clearly coaching issues going on and poor decisions being made. Ronnie is the manager and responsible for what happens on the pitch. The Commons outburst has been lucky for him as it has moved attention from a very poorly planned and executed game.
The weather said it all, the team were pish, in the firs two minutes it was obvious how Molde were set up.
There was no attempt to rejoin the team or take into account the poor conditions for pit a pat football.
In the first twenty minutes Celtic had 73 per cent of the play but Molde were two up, says it all.
Delilah has lost the plot and Johnny boy is asleep.
We badly need a change of direction, who at Parhead realises that.
I hav decided not another penny, I will not be taking my grandson, who is severely depressed about that crap.
Last Saturday they were poor against Motherwell, a non existent defence, the goalkeeper has also fallen into the trap of crap.
Never mind we have another fifty years to turn it around, Lawell is the problem.
charlie, how many times are we going to have to have this debate about players not turning up? maybe once can be forgiiven but this is happening on a regular basis in these games!! more crap performances than good ones… the manager cannot lift or motivate or change when required… the buck stops with the manager
I don’t believe Deila does anything other than install a sense of belief in his players.
After all he took a side from absolutely nowhere in Norway and transformed them into title winners.
The Video of him at the Motivation Conference backs this up he’s not about putting players down he’s the opposite.
Perhaps it’s just the case we have a side full of mediocre SPL players and European journeymen who we paid buttons for and ae now seeing their decline?
Scott Brown included btw.
He doesn’t inspire or instill belief on anyone in the dressing room and that is a fact.
Perhaps it’s just that he is a shit manager.
Which would explain how he took a team from nowhere to winning his National League Title?
That makes no sense to me.
We all know where the real blame lies for the shambles we witnessed last night. That ‘performance’ was a clearest manifestation yet (and we’ve had more than few in the last couple of years) of Desmond and his Board’s bankruptcy of ambition.
Profit\loss is all that matters to them.
They are not supporters, like we are.
If things continue on the downward spiral that they prescribed for our team then we’ll be lucky to be in the qualifiers for the Europa League in a season or two.
I have no faith in them to replace Ronny with a proper manager so I won’t give myself an ulcer worrying about the state we now find ourselves in.
If we want change we need to vote with our feet and our wallets.
Spectrum our budget is embarrassingly higher than the likes of Molde, Malmo & Maribor who have all dumped us in recent seasons. Whilst I agree downsizing isn’t helping, we can’t blame the budget on these losses.
We beat AC Milan,Barcelona,Juve,Man United with teams that cost a small percentage by comparison.
Teamwork can overcome individual flair it happens all the time in Football or any other sport for that matter.
Molde Malmo Legia all had sides with a strong team ethic when we met them.
We didn’t and as a result we lost to them.
Last night we had a player kick off in Public,a player who awaits trial for assault back him up on twitter so that to me points to a problem at Celtic.
Aye, and there’s you advocating a starting spot for Stokes last night!!!
Rather him than the invisible man who did get a start.
Stokes is Commons fellow professional and colleague, if Stokes thinks he should back Commons then he should.
The bottom line is Deila has fucked Commons about since day one, no wonder the player is frustrated.
Deila and his backroom staff are the problem at Celtic, not Commons, a player who has been excellent value at 400,000.
Celtic need to toughen up and fucking fast, Deila should do the decent thing…..get to fuck away from my club!
Charlie Saiz,
Did you not say yesterday Stokes could do a job for Celtic last night?
Yet today he is a worthless troublemaker?
Schizophrenic Charlie?
Who said he was worthless and a troublemaker Monti?
He’s in court for actions away from the Pitch not on it.
I stated why it was he should start IMO and Armstrongs performance (non perfomance) would seem to have backed my theory up?
The delivery from the left was abysmal.
WHY RONNIE WHY
WHY – Do you stick with “experienced players” when it’s obvious to the vast majority of Celtic fans , they aren’t good enough or just don’t care?
WHY – Is it that players are not performing to their potential ?
WHY – do you waste our time with your slow build up when pace is required
WHY – do you keep playing players who “appear” disinterested and wish they somewhere else ?
WHY – don’t you get back to an attacking format such as 4-4-2 ?
WHY – Don’t you abandon zonal marking as it’s a joke ?
WHY – Do you not give the other squad players a chance to shine ?
WHY – Don’t you reimburse fully every travelling fan who attended last nights fiasco?
WHY – Did you not play Tierney instead of izzi ?
WHY – Did you not play blackett at the back instead of effy ?
WHY – Did you play johansen when the guys obviously “given up” for whatever reason ?
WHY – Did you sub Chris – he showed more interest and desire than most ?
WHY – Do you break our hearts repeatedly ? By your lack of understanding of the traditions of this club , namely attacking and attractive football.
I have steadfastly backed you since your arrival at this club , despite many
pointless calls for your removal.
I will still back you to the hilt for the remainder of the season, if you can answer some of the above questions , which satisfy the Celtic support.
Morning all I have to begin with a confession I was wrong about Ronnie I had hopes that we were trying to make radical changes for the long term good of the club and that we needed to show patience and cut him some slack as we adjusted to financial reality across Europe, I harbour no sense of Champions League entitlement and was prepared to accept this seasons defeat to Malmo but Last night was totally unacceptable, we got horsed, destroyed and embarrassed by a team 7th in the Norwegian league. I will say that again 7th in the Norwegian league. who had a 40 year old playing for them. Now I don’t care about people’s views about Lawell, Desmond and co that’s an area for a different debate. Does anyone even the most convinced anti board enthusiast really think that the players last night were not assembled at vastly more cost than Molde, that they are paid vastly more than Molde?. How many of the Mode prayers would you chose to play for us? I would argue that the answer is not many because individually they are inferior players, however they appear to have a plan and a shape something which seems to be beyond us at the minute. THAT SHAPE AND PLAN COMES FROM THE MANAGER AND HIS STAFF. We were 2 down very early last night and how did the manager react? He didn’t as usual! The last time I felt this angry about a game was when I was at the infamous Supercally go ballistic game and for many of the same reasons, the total lack of leadership from the dugout is frightening and for me Ronnie must go, I don’t say this with any joy he seems a nice man but so am I and I am not qualified to manage Glasgow Celtic and neither is he. Now I am not going to embarrass us by demanding some world renowned coach in the Klopp, Mourinhio mould because we cant afford them and wont get them but don’t tell me there is nobody out there who can organise motivate and guide a squad of decent players ( with only one or two imposters) to do better than we saw last night Again.
Maryhillbhoy,
Lawell, Desmond, the Board etc. should not be a different debate. They are the ones who appointed Ronnie.
They are the source of the problems we witness on the park.
Ronnie and the Imposters are just the symptoms.
In a nutshell, Spectrum you are spot on!
Last night was the tipping point for me. He has to go. Only 3 players have got better under him. Griffiths, Forrest and bitton. The rest have went backwards. 2-0 down at half time and he changes nothing at all. That’s criminal for me. He waited to nearly 70 minutes to make a straight swap. Not good enough. I’m all in favour of 4231 but if it’s not working he doesn’t or won’t change it until 10 minutes to go if at all. That’s just stubborn. Last night was crying out for 352 at half time to keep our play as wide as possible and stretch them. They had a centre midfielder at 40 FFS. This is a Norwegian team not barca. It’s as if we turned up without watching them. Look at the teams that have beat us the past 2 years in Europe. Hardly a decent team amongst them. It’s not about budgets. It’s about organisation and tactics
The last 3 years Scotty Lennys last outing in Europe the writing was on the wall then.
3 points and bottom of the Group.
Answer?
Sell yer best players and replace with “potential”.
Keching.
Keching’
Then “believe” for the next 12 months.
Scottybhoy,
Totally!
stokes defending commons has nothing to do with a clique… none of the players can be bothered with stokes… he will be trying to annoy the manager!!!!! and the players believe training is so much more professional under ronny than lenny… so its not them not playing for the manager…. just that he sends them out to do the wrong things!!! scepovic for exanmple… good player and a goalscore… farmed out on loan and banging the goals in
The thing I don’t understand is Ronny was humble enough to admit he was a young manager, learning. He would learn from his mistakes. But I just don’t see the evidence for this.
He is a slave to his formation & tactics. Even when these clearly don’t work he has no plan B.
And he is culpable of having ‘favourites’, fielding players who are out of form or carrying niggles/injuries. He said he wouldn’t do that a la James Forrest. Now we learn Johanson & Brown & Lustig are all carrying niggles.
What utter pish last night . Izzy and ambrose in my opinion should be transfer listed , time and time again laurel and hardy are to blame for goals in Europe , enough is enough! I always said the best partnership will be simonovic and the experience of mulgrew back in his best position. Teirney should be left back and lustig rested. Johansen is an imposter this season and the sight of him covering his mouth having a chin wag with his Norwegian pal at full time was appalling , he should have been over at the fans apologising for his gutless performance. Ronnys subs are baffling , his tactics and team selections are a joke. His playing players out of position, Forrest on left , commons on the wing, wtf!. Armstrong was a dynamic scoring centre midfielder who linked with McKay Steven so well at United, we buy him and stick him wide left and wonder why he’s not performing. Kennedy is meant to be defensive coach , he should be sacked coz he is doing fuck all. The back line is a laughing stock and so is zonal marking. Scott Allan’s never been seen and he is a playmaker we are crying out for yet no one gets a sniff in the number ten role due to his fucking love child johansen. We have two central sitters which was tried by fucking Barnes and it didn’t work then, it just means these two sit back and griffiths is left on his own trying to head it in from crosses when our full backs actually manage to keep the ball in the park! Then we get countered as they are out of position, it really is amateur football and frankly as a season ticket holder of many years I’ve had enough. There’s good players there , lambert or McNamara for me . Ronny go now
Charlie you are deluded!! Deila is hopeless and hasn’t a clue. He should be sacked today and we should speak to Lambert and get him in now. A cheap hopeless manager out of his depth. Please go now I wont be back until he leaves.
Jim if johansen and brown are injured play a midfield of Biton Armstrong and rogic , or Allan, even play commons in the number ten role , the fact this clown keeps playing unfit players when there is better players available even when they are fit I believe, is just stupid and will cost him his job
Reality check
1) The Standard of Scottish football is very poor. (National team, European performances!!!)
2) Celtic are a very poor team, no creativity, 1 dimensional at best, slow – no pace direction, distribution is dreadful …. etc
3) Celtic board main priority is the Balance sheet, not the team
4) Ronny and Johnny are SHITE (1 good game in 20, is not good management)
5) WASN’T A SURPRISE WE LOST LAST NIGHT … EVEN MORE
Celtic play teams every week that pack the defence and still they have no idea how to combat this, possession is great but sideways and backwards doesn’t open defences.
Just a wee reminder, failure to make the latter stages of the EL or the CL group stages next season will see us lose about a third of our total coefficient points and this will result in us being unseeded for the CL playoff stage, maybe the the 3rd qualifying round as well. We will also drop down a pot for group stage draws.
Next season is looking likely to be the last for a while that we get an easy route to the CL, the Malmos and Maribors will become teams like Salzburg and Basel (probably the champions of the 13th -15th ranked leagues, currently Switzerland, Austria and Czech Republic)
After next season we will have to beat teams ranked higher than us in order to get to the CL and then its pot 4 in CL or pot 3 in EL for us where we will face more higher ranked opponents. The last time Celtic beat a higher ranked team over two games was Spartak Moscow in 2012.
Scarey.
one of the more verbose comments sections today!
I didnt read em all – I only have an hour – but of those I did I didnt see any comments specifically around John Kennedy. Or more specifically, why we have a first team coach (and defensive coach) who has no track record that justifies his employment.
My theory is our team have lost confidence in the defence. For the same reasons we have. Rightly or wrongly, they are getting frustrated quickly and its ruining their composure. So, when Boyota, say, plays a dreadful ball straight to the opposition who immediately score, it breaks everyones spirit. game over.
Sort the defence out and it restores the confidence across the pitch.
Before sacking Ronny, why not try a different coach? you know, one with experience of organising a defence?
Like a few on here I’ve been a supporter for over 50 years and seen some pretty awful stuff in that time. My feeling last night and today though is one of absolute despair that our team cannot play and pass at any pace higher than dead slow. From the little I’ve seen of Scott Allan I do know that the boy plays with his head up and can spot a pass, unlike the clowns that masqueraded as Celtic players last night. Unlike some, I do include Bitton in that criticism as he seems to need far too much time on the ball for my liking. Admittedly he needs players to show for the pass but I’d like to see him release the ball earlier. I don’t need to add to the debate about Ambrose and co except to say that the definition of insanity is often described as repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Something has to change, and if the players are unable/unwilling to do it then the manager has to make a decision. Johansen was awful, a poser and not half the player of last year. To me the game cried out for the energy of a young Liam Henderson or indeed anyone who can run with the ball and put defenders under pressure. Not sure where we go from here but by Christ it has to be up!!!
Sorry guys but it seems we need to go back to Save our Celts! I went to the first ever meeting with Jim Craig speaking, anybody else out there remember that gig? I am sure it was Shettleston town hall?, The club is on an abyss of declining mediocrity with an epoch of hell in front of us if we stand around like the “Orcs” and do F**k All!!
Shug il give you an example of young players who run at defences, like you rightly say scott Allan, where is he?, Armstrong did this brilliantly for Dundee United, where is he? He is shunted to the left wing. Christie , a great young player who is fearless , upsets defences and sees a pass, where is he? Back at Inverness on loan, it is all wrong
I believe the Christie Deal was agreed on the premise he seen out the Season for them.
With so many midfielders it should not be an issue.
Henderson needs games I agree totally with his Loan.
The only fuck up I think was letting O’Connell go out because I think he could cut it at Celtic right now.
Certainly no worse than what we have seen from the rest so far this Season.
Charlie Saiz,
There is no such deal agreed between Celtic and Inverness that Christie would remain with the Highlanders until the end of the season.
Celtic can bring the player to Paradise in January.
So you don’t think him remaining there was the sweetner that sealed the move then?
Charlie Saiz,
Boerrigter is available for Sunday….is he in your thoughts for this game?
Fnar Fnar fnar
If he gets a game on Sunday I’m taking up Tiddlywinks.
Where you will play Derck Boerrigter in the qualifying group stages of the European Tiddlywinks Champions League.
Footnote;
Only if Derck recovers from a nasty facial injury sustained when a counter hit the tip of his nose.
Funny guy stick around.
Leave Deila be, for another year at least.
First priority, sort the defence:
Bailly
Janko/Lustig/Simunovic/Tierney
Lustig/Simunovic/Blackett/Tierney
Janko/Simunovic/Blackett/Tierney
Give Gordon, Boyata, Ambrose and Izzy some bench time. Brown needs a rest. If Mulgrew is sulking, he can be sold to Bolton, Dundee Utd, etc.Constantly injured players get stale anyway. Stokes may as well be sold.Commons should apologise and then get back to being a player who can change games for us. He is gifted. We need him.
Bitton? Is somebody seeing something I’m not. Caught in possession, sideways passes, backward passes, forty yard shots up into Row Z? Tidy telegraphed passes to the opposition.
Living in the here and now:
Bailly
Janko/Lustig/Simunovic/Tierney
Armstrong/Allan
Forrest/Rogic/Mackay-Steven
Griffiths
Take a deep breath, count to ten.
Remember the 1950’s/the 1990’s.
Meanwhile, we may yet win a Treble/Double. We may yet go through in the Europa League.
The only really sackable offence for Ronny would be to not win the league.
The above team should start against Dundee United as a warning to our tired under-performers. I’m confident things will freshen up soon.
Devoy,
Nah, don’t think so.
Aye Ok Ronny….. sorry, I mean Devoy.
Battered by a low budget but well organised team. Shocking! Whilst we may all hope Sevco never get promoted (or die before the end of the season), on last nights performance the tribute act would give us a run for our money…Taxi for Ronnie and co now please
Glad Commons apologised. Would have wanted him out otherwise. Lower rated clubs like ours (sadly) can only succeed if every one is together. Childish outbursts like last night can only destroy any unity. The managers inability to change things is disturbing at best however I would wait until the final three group games are done before making any decisions on his future. Time for these players to show they have balls in the next six or seven games. If no clear harmony and improvement by then, then its time for change pre January transfer window.
I agree Ralph that the hoops should always be worn when playing away as it might at least endow the players with a sense of pride and remind them who they are playing for. When I was young the altar boys used to play football every Saturday morning amongst themselves. The priest had bought two sets of strips – a Celtic and a Hibs strip and when the teams were picked he would say which team had the Celtic jerseys. I swear I was twice the player when I played in the hoops and sixty years later still remember how proud I felt. When the game was over if I had the Celtic top I would wear it going home with pride much to the consternation of my parents who would be having kittens if the saw me coming along the street wearing the colours. I didn’t care who pulled me up as wore it as a badge of honour. Maybe they should get the players attending Supporters functions again to let them know if they need telling how much Celtic mean to the fans.
Spectrum is Green
Apologies for the delay but I still say the longer term debate about direction etc, can be removed from a debate about the manager and his performance last night. I suggest we deal with immediate problems first
It used to be said that that there are two certainties in life: death and taxes. There is a third certainty: Celtic are crap when playing away in Europe. Last night was right up there with previous calamities. No in fact it was probably a whole lot worse (and I remember losing to Zwickau in the seventies).The team is seriously underachieving now – they were on top in the last two EL games,but now it looks like something is seriously wrong behind the scenes. Hope springs eternal, but then again supporting Celtic brings an equal share of anguish and crushing disappointment.