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Celtic Play Some Good Football – Patience Required

I’ve just read Ralph’s doom and gloom in the ETims Diary about last night’s game and felt compelled to write a riposte to his hawf cut words.

Firstly, Ralph lives in Stoke. If that’s not enough to make you depressed God knows what is.

Secondly and far more importantly. I get disappointment and frustration (I’ve been married for over 20 years!) when supporting Celtic, especially in Europe. Those of an older ilk will remember Partizan Belgrade and Jackie Dziekanowski shagging Haz, erm, scoring 4 goals as we lost 5-4 due to go out on aggregate on away goals after conceding a last minute goal at Celtic Park. My mates still not forgiven Joe Miller when clean through on goal to make it 6-4!

Ronny Deila’s Celtic team feels a bit like those teams of yore that Billy McNeill and Davie Hay managed. Good going forward, play good football but quite shite at defending as a team in Europe.

Where I fundamentally disagree with the old Stoke whingebag is his misguided thoughts that there were no positives from the 2-2 draw with Fenerbahce. In fact, his comments were we were “bloody awful”.

Ach, behave yirsel.

In the first half Celtic played some scintillating football against a team with a budget that dwarves ours and merited going in at the interval at least 2 possibly 3 goals ahead. The way the ball was zipped about from defence through the midfield and to the forwards was terrific to watch. Boyata and Ambrose driving the ball out of defence, committing their midfield and then slipping the ball to Lustig (#Tache – Ohh Arrgghh) or Euro debutant wean Tierney. The midfield demanding the ball and play lovely link up play. And then the forceful play of Forrest, Commons and Griffiths who ran the Istanbul team ragged at times.

In summary, some of the football played in the first half was magnificent to watch.

What else was pleasing to see was the character shown following the Alamo assault for 15-20 minutes after Fenerbahce equalised. We could have easily crumbled and felt sorry for ourselves but instead regrouped, dusted ourselves down and took it to them for the final 25 minutes of the match. That showed character.

Everyone can see the problems in our team lie with not (currently) having two dependable centre backs and being unable as a team to defend corner kicks / set pieces.

After not retaining Denayer and Van Dijk this was always going to be a problem area. The injury to Simunovic and constant changing of the back four between Van Dijk (God bless him), Ambrose, Mulgrew, Boyata, Blackett, O’Connell, Simunovic and Aitken (I’m sure the Bear’s been involved!) has made it nigh on impossible to play a settled back four. I’m pretty sure Boyata and Simunovic will be Deila’s preference but they need games to build a partnership. With the Croat lad just in then injured and Boyata getting his longest run of match but still vastly inexperienced this may take time. Be patient with both players. They are ours and need us to give them as much support as possible.

My preference would be Lustig at centre back but the challenge with that is two-fold. One, he’s extremely injury prone and two, he’s a damn good full back.

The second and far bigger issue is our inability to defend as a team corner kicks and set plays. It’s both embarrassing and shambolic how many goals we’ve lost this season with our inability to do the basics. I don’t believe for one second the players aren’t absolutely pummelled at set pieces during training and made quite clear their roles but are the roles correct?

Reason I ask is after I got home from the game last night Dietmar Hamann of Liverpool and Germany national team fame made a really interesting observation. He opined that Celtic players marking ‘zones’ wasn’t the issue it was the Celtic players picking up opponents who aren’t doing their jobs. He highlighted this by showing several Fenerbahce players getting free runs to our 6 yard area and across Efe for their equaliser. Hamann made it quite clear from his playing days at the top level with Liverpool and Germany that the job for non-zonal defenders is to block the runs of their opponents. They don’t pull shirts or give away an easy penalty. Instead they jostle and put their bodies in position to deny their opponent that run at goal as the ball is played into the penalty box. A simple block will make it nigh on impossible for attackers to get in an area to meet the ball at the speed it’s played it.

Hamann couldn’t have been clearer on his assertions.

If he’s correct, then it falls down to the coaches not rigorously repeating this in practice or players not following instructions. I would find it near impossible if players are hammered in this method during training that they wouldn’t do this as a matter of course during a match as it would be bread and butter to them. If on the other hand they are being taught this and not following instructions then why are they defending corners……?

There is of course another option that may simplify matters. Why do we need every player back in our penalty area? If we leave two players higher up the pitch then logic dictates our opponents will leave at least three and possibly four defenders back. Take the corner kick taker out of the equation and the one (at least) opponent who sits outside the penalty area and this leaves only four or five opponents attacking a corner….would this not be far easier to defend against?

Getting back to the crux of my riposte, to say there’s no positives is just a bit daft and probably built on immediate disappointment.

Celtic are playing some terrific football at times against good European opponents and could / should have won our first two games. The team is doing a lot of things right and it would be foolish not to recognise this. Fix the obvious negatives and keep progressing with the clear positives and we’ll do ok this season.

Onwards and upwards….

 

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8 years ago

Hector yer awfy harsh on Ralph. Poor Ralph.

Enjoyed your post all the same:)

8 years ago

Good article and spot on i think! Once we tighten up at CB and figure out who is playing there, we have good attacking to damage teams. Lots of positives against a team, like you say, has a monster budget over us!

yestim
8 years ago

Thankfully, some else shares my views. I have been getting pelters all day for saying that we played some brilliant stuff last night. The gift from Efe knocked the stuffing out of us. You could tell from the first seconds of the second half they had their tails up and I thought we did well to weather the storm with only one goal conceded. It took us 20 minutes after their second goal to get a period of passing the ball, I think it was Brown how put his foot on the ball rather than lump it up the park. The game changed immediately after this and we look more likely to score in the closing minutes. I can’t abide the doom merchants, like you said, new centre backs, debutant at full back etc. No excuse for Efe’s gifts. Other than what you have said about blocking, Griffiths V their biggest player ??? when marking zonally you have to attack the ball if it’s coming into your area. We don’t do this, we stand about waiting for it to fall onto our heads.
HH

fin49
8 years ago

Well said, there were many positives regarding our performance last night.

Ralph,do you sing YNWA?

Londonbhoy
8 years ago

Spot on Hector, I was wildly frustrated but ultimately thought we played better football throughout the match. I think the way we’re playing, we will progress, and despite Molde’s wonderstart, believe we have enough to see them off, with perhaps our most dangerous match in terms of losing points being Fenerbahce away.

Mike Bhoyle
8 years ago

Agreed…sensible post…and pretty accurate.
Well said.
My lawyers will be in touch ‘though re.
“Infringing Copyright Rules”
Onwards and upwards is a Mike Bhoyle copyright…:0)…
Hail hail

Paolo
8 years ago

Good post Hector. We strung some good passes together last night, in fact son was a delight to watch. Ralph was a bit harsh this morning but, living in Stoke he may just be forgiven..

Ralph malph
8 years ago

Of course my comments come from ummediate disappointment. I’m concerned that it will become perpetual disappointment.

Gerry
8 years ago

It’s all very well highlighting the positives and there were many last night.The negatives are happening too frequently however and more often than not it is down to the same culprits.John Kennedy comes out to defend Efe Ambrose after shut-outs against Dundee,Raith Rovers and Hearts…big deal.Ambrose and Boyata have alot to prove in my opinion and not alot of time left to do it.Zonal marking abrogates players of individual responsibility and gives them the opportunity to leave others open to criticism.Kennedy appears to have alot of excuses but no remedies.On another note.did anyone else notice Johansens disappointment at Commons lack of industry when defending.He was raging at him all night.

Cortes
8 years ago

Concentration, anticipation and reaction time was sadly deficient in most Celtic players last night. Lustig, Boyata and Tierney I exclude from that observation. Forrest was the worst culprit in this respect; he was like a driver texting when the filter lane light turns green. His thought processes appeared sloth like.
After the equaliser Gordon did well in slowing things down so that the outfield players could get some respite.
I hope Celtic employ the same phantom injury disruptive tactics in Turkey which Fenerbahce used last night.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Cortes

To put that observation in simple terms….. BOLLOCKS!

Cortes
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Ah! Oscar Wilde is in fine form.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Cortes

Still talking shite I see.

Cortes
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

And they say that the art of debate is dying…

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Cortes

By the way, any relation to Daniel Cortes funnyman?

Cortes
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

By the way, an almost John Greig like pearl of wisdom.

Back in the real world, James Forrest’s game intelligence would embarrass an average brontosaurus. A bit like you.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Cortes

You really are clueless and obviously know fuck all about football, so run along and go take up knitting or something slightly less strenuous, you ignorant twat.

pensionerbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector Bandido

Hector

If Ralph is still speaking to you after this slating, he’ll tell you that email address is crap. To be fair, I think his term was “broken”.

H H

Cartvale88
8 years ago

Excellent, totally agree with your article of the glass being half full.
One othe point about the barbers and kebab shop team, they were there for the taking and if awry away had not struck at half time the ‘tic could easily hav got four or five.
Also their feigning injury and claiming they had been punched in the face on more than one occasion was pathetic.
Probably will finish bottom of the group, we should move on.

Macca
8 years ago

Great for 20 minutes, pish for 70. Gave the ball away far too easily.Not sure what John Kennedy does but its not good enough. The guy played less than 50 games all told before his injury so he is not exactly experieneced in the defensive challenges we are facing

Mike Bhoyle
8 years ago

I know it was in the days of Dubbin on the boots and don’t heady the coke….but I played Schools…Juvenile…Junior…and Amateur fitba..( I even had trials wi’ Nottingham Forest)..and I don’t remember anybody telling our defence how to play.
We just played ffs…
The problem might lie there…
As for Efe’s nightmare…That’s just what he does…He’s a bomb scare.

jrw
8 years ago

Totally agree it was not all bad. Where we we sitting we thought Efe was pushed,but still poor defending at corners. This zonal marking with everyone in the box is killing us – there are no outlets if we do clear the ball and it invariably comes straight back at us. Rogic should have been on much earlier – Johansen is a shadow of the player he was last season. It is hard to work out why.

Devoy45
8 years ago

Agree with Hector. Fenerbahce are a proper European side and we had them on the run and we didn’t fold. It will get better when it comes together. We lost one of the best central defence pairings in Britain and it will take time to develop. Efe won a lot of balls in the air and made some great tackles. His mistake was a howler but that happens. I think he is still our best central defender—at present.(Devoy runs for cover as stones pelt down. He dons a Groucho Marx disguise and pulls the curtains tightly shut)

8 years ago

Hector & Ralph, I think Monti & Charlie Saiz should be forced to make a podcast together via audio link if nesc.

Topic: The Celtic Board, discuss.

Failure to do so expulsion of some sort.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

We are all Peter Lawwelol

timbuffy
8 years ago

I remember Barcelona coming to Celtic Park a few years ago and when we had a corner Ronaldinho went up and stood on the centre spot and another two players positioned themselves out wide on either side of the halfway line. That meant Celtic had to leave four players back to cover them and diminished our attacking options. Apart from that zonal marking’s shite – nobody seems to know what they’re supposed to be doing and opposition forwards get a running jump which usually beats a static defender every time. Call me old fashioned but I still believe in the system where a defender picks a forward and if his man scores we know where the blame lies.

Dan the man
8 years ago
Reply to  timbuffy

I remember that too and often wonder why more teams don’t do it?

Funkyy
8 years ago

Good, sensible read today. The turning point was Efe’s howler..it was a sickening blow to the players after all their good play and they knew that it would give a boost to a Fenerbahce team that was ready to cave in.
Well, it happened and unlike others with a masochistic tendency to relive time and again the disappointing parts, I prefer to take heart from the good play and the two excellent goals that we scored. If, and I know it’s a big if, we had gone in at half-time 2 goals up, I’m sure we would have had 3 points at full-time…the signs were there that we were up for this match.
I hope when Simunovic gets settled into the defense, we’ll see an end to the disorganized defending at set pieces. If that happens we should start to hold or increase our lead in matches.
But I still think it’s time for Efe to go…you saw their players eagerly running at him each time he received a pass back…they smelled blood….and fear.

Iain
8 years ago

We should have had janko at right back with lustig and either Blackett or Boyata with Tierney left back against Fener. Why persist with a player who continually makes the same mistakes? On the positive Tierney played really well as did Forrest, both youth products. Brown was outstanding. Griffiths goal was also poor zonal marking. I agree with Hamman comments in the article.
Also agree with Funkyy comments.

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