Charlie Saiz has dusted himself down and is looking forward. He wants you to as well.
Well now, the dust has finally settled on a pigs ear of a month for Celtic boss Ronny Deila and his much maligned System at Celtic .
Could now be a time to ask the doubters to back off the man and back him?
The away result in Amsterdam coupled by the demolition of Dundee in Paradise brought a bit of welcome bounce back to the place.
Not since the absolute humiliation of Aberdeen under Neil Lennon have a Celtic side ripped a team apart with such sublime ferocity and ease it surely has to be conceded by even the most sceptical among us that when this team is flying and playing this System in the correct manner few will live with us at Celtic Park?
Ronny Deila has been getting it from all quarters in recent weeks, even from his own, and I personally think it is about time all who have a vested interest in a healthy happy Celtic took a step back and backed the man.
He’s a good man,he has outlined a clear vision and has stuck to his guns when other lesser mortals may just have caved in to the pressure of managing a misfiring Celtic.
Yesterday was a clear and concise example of how the new approach and System can work when we get it right.
There will be blips,dips and disappointments that’s just the nature of the game we love and drives us to despair at times.
One constant though throughout has been the Big Mans belief that this is the way forward for Celtic and the result yesterday was a clear indicator that he is right in pushing it forward.
The scoreline could have been in double figures had it not been for a wonderful display by Bain in goals for Dundee. I almost felt sorry for him because he had no chance with the other 6 that did go in and count.
Even a curious and dubious display by MIB McClean did not stop the onslaught by Celtic.
To a man every player performed as required and expected this resulted in an overjoyed smile on the managers face.
So many positives from that performance all I ask now is we all stick by Ronny and accept some games it’s just not going to happen but belief in his System that it will.
1 up, 2 up, it makes no odds when you can bombard a goal that often in a game.
Let us judge our Manager in May it is only then we will truly know just how far we have come as a side under him and until then back him to the hilt as those outside the Club do their best to derail it.
HH
NONSENSE!
Celtic are becoming also rans on the European Champions league stage, this in my opinion is criminal.
Deila is the cheap option for a cheap option thinking boardroom.
They are Downsizing the team and taking the proverbial out of the supporters, each and every one of these directors should go today and take Deila, Collins and Kennedy with them.
Dermot should sell up to someone who DOES want to invest in the team, Celtic is a pastime for this man, it is life itself to me.
I have emptied my bank account on a few occasions to follow Celtic around Europe, you know, going the extra mile, pushing the boat out.
Have you pushed the boat out Dermot?
Papering over the cracks is how I put it the other day, I stand by that.
No doubt if we put six past Raith Rovers in the league cup some will think we are all rosy and all is well.
Just spare a thought tho….who do Malmo play in the group stages next?
” Deila is a nice man ” lol.
That’s OK then, think how it felt after Maribor and Malmo….Ronny is a nice man tho?
Malmo prepare to take on the Real Madrid’s of Europe and we are the talk of Europe because we put 6 past Dundee? No.
Deila is the cheap option, expect cheap results.
Got that living wage sorted for ALL employee’s yet Peter? No.
How much do you get per year Peter? £1m.
Should be a packed Paradise for the Rovers game tho…
pretty much agree with that,monti.the REAL damage has already been done to our season.
cbc,
Cheers for understanding where I’m coming from.
It Actually really disappoints me to be so down about Celtic, it isn’t me to be like that but I can see what this board is doing to our club.
I’m not looking for the club to be reckless or careless, just put the three or four players on the park who can give us more of a chance to qualify for the Champions league, FFS if we were to qualify they would get their money back!
Celtic are underachieving and it is a disgrace to see!
Monti spot on again I for 1 will not back off just yet he’s not done enough for that but what I will do is sit and wait
Cheers drewster.
If anyone thinks I’m getting a kick out of knocking Deila and our board, well they don’t know me.
I care too much!
I want Celtic to aim higher, be better and be bigger thinking.
Going out of the Champions league is like a Murdo Macleod volley to the bawz.
Yet all you hear out of Celtic park is ” we all want to get there, we want to do it for our fans”
Then they roll out the quotes from some of the biggest names in Europe to talk about the special ‘ atmosphere’ of these nights.
It’s all shite!
It’s all about the strength of the team, it’s about the quality of player on show!
So while Messi is saying we are ” incredible ” Peter Lawwell is negotiating Scepovic away to Getafe and not bringing anyone in to replace him
him, maybe phone the Manchester clubs to see if we can borrow some of their youngsters??
THIS IS CELTIC…..We deserve so much more.
Wouldn’t we all like to splash the cash. One question though – who’s gonna supply the cash?
Just look across the city to Zombieland if you want to know what happens when you spend money that you don’t have.
If Deila is the cheap option then who would you go for? Keane? Coyle?
No I’ll stick with Ronnie and watch Celtic through the good and the bad!!!
Treble T,
It is lazy of you to bring the Huns into this debate and use them as an example.
But to answer your question, we have 2 Billionaires on our board of directors, they should be providing the funds for the players of higher quality to be brought in.
Like I said earlier, if we are in the Champions league regularly, they will get all their money back.
As for potential managers,
Jurgen Klopp or Jurgen Klinsmann…unrealistic? Maybe, but if I was the Celtic CEO and trying to bring in guys of this calibre, would you be happy?
couldn’t disagree more with you there bud Sheik Mansoor has spent 1.5 billion trying to do well in the CL and fell well short , and you expect some one to pump say 30 million for say 3 decent players to just make it to the group stages? It’s never going to happen. Treble T was spot on to use Sevco as an example, because that’s what will happen. Until the structure changes (financial dopng of other leagues) we can do nothing about it
Hancock,
We will agree to disagree my friend, thanks for posting tho.
That’s the reality and enormity of the situation now.
Sad though it is it’s a rich mans game now at the top level.
Just read this and can’t believe you called the guy lazy for using Dedco as an example?
Who/what else was he supposed to use given….
A they plied their trade in our own League
B they alongside us are thr only team who have spent big to ty win things?
ffs Monti he’s using proven fact to back up the point he makes.
That’s not laziness that’s common sense and logical thinking bud.
I saw my first game at Celtic Park in 1957…
Since then I’ve enjoyed countless highs and,unfortunately,shattering lows as well.
That’s the nature of the game…Except…
If I think the Club is doing its best to be its best..then I accept that and back off.
However if I think that we’re being short changed then I react.
If me,and people like me, hadn’t got involved with the Sack the Board campaign back in the day…what might have happened ? Oh and back then we were also being told to stop stirring it…and get behind the Club.
And just to clarify…NO right minded Celtic man or woman wants to criticise the Club just for the sake of it..there has to be reasons.
My reasons are…Failure to progress over the last 6 years or so…indeed I could argue that we’ve gone back the way in real terms..and a distinct lack of input from Dermot Desmond.
I agree with Monti..If we’re a nuisance Dermot…sell it to someone who cares.
As I said in an a post the other day…Ronny,to me, was a cheap option and we need to think much higher than that.If we can’t beat the likes of Maribor and Malmo then who are we kidding?
As for the demolition of Dundee…We were very very good…they were bloody awful.
Finally…I don’t have a go just for the sake of it..I do it because I really care about Celtic Football Club.
We make noises about being a world class Club..then its time we started acting like one.
Then your beef is with the Board and not the Manager.
The thread is about backing the Manager not the Board.
Who I believe could be doing more myself.
Sell your shares and gtf if your not interested in progression I say.
Charlie,
But I don’t back the manager, because he is out of his depth and makes decisions that is costing our club tens of millions.
He is making it up as he goes along!
Just for the record, I didn’t want Neil Lennon to get the top job either, Celtic is no job for a rookie!
Are you Mike Boyle Monti?
No, but I agree with Mike Bhoyle’s general views of where we are.
Are you Peter Lawwell?
I disagree Charlie about waiting until May, when we win the league he won’t have proved anything to me; he has to qualify for the CL groups next season and then he’ll have made that next step. I for one hope he gets the time to do that, but all the improvement last season was lost when the season finished and we struggled to hit the qualifiers running. For that reason I’m not going to wax lyrical about games like Sunday, just enjoy them when they happen and continue supporting the team and manager. But no amount of 4/5/6 nil wins will lower the European hurdle, let’s hope he mounts it next time.
As for the system again I agree it should be our prime strategy, but when it’s not working some flexibility would be welcomed and tweaking tactics in order to win games rather than hoping it’ll eventually work out. The best managers make key decisions ie changes to shape, substitutions etc which turn defeats into draws and draws into victories. The system will not always do this so let’s see some tactical variety.
He altered the tactics against Ajax without changing the System.
It’s flexible in that way no need for chopping and changing just a matter of sitting in more and countering with the same players deployed in the same area of the Park.
Thing is we deploy it now in every game and this has and will lead to the players getting more out of it as they develop playing it.
It’s all down to application at the end of the day when the players step up and play to their ability then like Sunday we can be quite a tough proposition to face.
His that is Deilas vision is clear and precise it is down to them to follow orders and produce.
2-2 away to Ajax is a good result regardless of Sunday.
In my opinion there are far too many too quick to criticise yet reluctant to concede when it goes so right.
All I am is asking for those to do so to wait and see how it pans out before putting the boot in because Christ knows there are those out with our Club willing to do so at any given time.
Charlie,
Is Maribor, Malmo and Aberdeen not enough evidence for you?
What about dropping Commons for the Maribor game in front of a sold out Celtic park?
Persisting with this nonsense of one up front?
The game last weekend v Aberdeen, even when they went down to ten we still got beat?
We were drawing the Marlboro game and therefore through at the point when commons came on….
dyna,
If Commons had started that game, I would have been more optimistic of our chances of progression.
Are you saying the Celtic support in the ground that night were happy Berget started ahead of our best player?
I take it you watched the Aberdeen game ?…. no denying we were shite , but there’s been many a time when we play bad and win , it’s the sign of champions we are told, but lets face it, 2 bad decisions went against us (no surprises there ) Considine should have been sent off, if he was we win easy and their penalty was never a penalty , but they cant let Celtic win the League so every decision will go in favour of Aberdeen this year . I’ve watched a few of their games and it’s unreal the decisions they get . What do you know , that idiot Bazza Ferguson was right, it’s like they are the new Rangers
That’s right, there is no denying we were shite!
Kris Commons has not set the Heather alight in Europe Monti.
You seem to have an overinflated opinion of him as a player from what I have read.
I cannot remember one single game where he controlled it or dominated it throughout can you?
Commons is Celtic’s most creative player and has been throughout hos time at the club.
That is a simple fact and I would guess most Celtic supporters would agree.
Can I name a European match where Commons has dominated throughout? No.
That of course doesn’t mean a thing. He remains Celtic’s best creative player from midfield in the squad!
Just my opinion!
All we have to go off in terms of the job Ronny is doing is the job Neil Lennon did at Celtic.
Previous to that we had a strong Rangers(in liquidation) to contend with and a much healthier Financial Environment due to it.
However as we know all that changed in a very short space of time as they imploded after years of horrendous Business Management.
When Neil Lennon was appointed many doubted he could cope,the Club responded by bringing in many players to help him out.
Whilst on the Domestic front it took him several months to find his feet in Europe well it was a disaster.
First Braga then Utrecht.
But a League and Cup Double was secured so us as fans looked forward to next Season.
Following Season and again we got busy in the market the evolving door in constant spin almost as players came and went.
Second Season we had a poor start we lost 3 and drew 1 of our opening 10 games in the league just managed to get through to the Europa after Sion forfeited the game due to fielding an illegible player.
Europa League was on the cards as another 11 players came into the Club.
We finished 3rd in our Group managed to accumulate 6 points in 6 games only winning 1 and drawing another 3.
All the while the support galvanised behind the Manager who by now was experiencing real problems off and on the Park.
He lifted the League Title lost out in the final of the S CUP and Semi of the L Cup.
It took 3 Seasons for Neil Lennon to shape and mould his side into a team capable of Beating Barcelona 2-1 on a most memorable night at Celtic Park.
To get his side through the Groups was an astonishing accomplishment given all that had gone on but the fact it ended in a 5-0 aggregate gubbing by Juve seems to have been lost on some.
Following Season again without Rangers proved to be a saunter in the league with no challenge from anyone of note.
We struggled past the most one dimensional side we have ever played in Europe in Shakhter Parahandy only to be absolutely humiliated in the Group finishing bottom on 3 points.
Out in the League Cup to Morton and out of the Scottish Cup to a resurgent Aberdeen.
All the while the belts have been slowly tightened as the realisation of losing valuable income from O/F Games sunk in.
We as a Club have had to adjust our thinking on a Financial basis to offset the very real loss of our biggest cash generating rivals.
Neil Lennon had it easier than Deila he knew the Club inside and out,knew how the land lay competing at home and in Europe having actually done it himself for yeas under MON.
Most of all though he followed Mowbray who achieved fuck all.
Deila has had to follow Lenny,adjust to a Foreign Country,Game and different mentality.
He’s had to cope with an expectant fanbase some of whom wish for things that may well be beyond our Clubs scope at this current time and under these most trying of Circumstances?
It is only his Second Season and yes CL has gone but then we never had it for 2 years under Lennon anyway and he had better backing by the Board at that time.
Whilst he has failed to deliver the big prize in Europe we are still very much in it with the smaller one.
All I ask is you support the man as he does.
If you can’t then I think that say’s more about you as a person as it does him as a Manager.
We are at this moment a Europa League LEVEL Club.
We will remain so until our Financial situation alters so I think you had better get used to it soon Bhoys.
Correction first full Season in charge we finished 2nd to IT.
Large post gone missing regarding where we are at now and previously under Lenny.
It’s not about how well we played against Dundee or getting a point in Amsterdam. It’s about how fucking shite we where against Malmö and Aberdeen. The 2 biggest games of the season. Still want Ronny out. Even if he wins all 3 this year. He will fuck up in the champions league next season
Be interested to know if you felt the same way about Neil Lennon in his second season?
Spot on!
” spot on ” gb Bhoy that is!
bgbhoy!
Monti, if Dermot Desmond sells up the person who buys his shares is not investing in Celtic per se. D.D. did invest his money in Celtic but in the secondary market this investment doesn’t go to the club, but to the shareholder.
You can’t tell other people how to spend their money. It’s theirs not yours.
Spot on.
Would a fresh Share Issue be a way to raise new INVESTMENT in the side perhaps?
bbf,
Does the board not want us to buy season tickets, do they want us to buy merchandise, do they want us to buy shares, do they want us to spend our money in the Kerrydale, do they want us to lunch at the Walfrid, do the club want our money?
But I can’t ask Dermot to spend his and put higher quality on the park?
FFS?
It’s a business Monti that’s generally how it works.
It’s his money he has Financial Commitments elsewhere outside of Celtic Fc.
Would be great if he did but hey ho it’s his money.
Charlie,
If we spent on a few top players who could lift this place, it would give us a better chance, not a guarantee of qualifying, they would then get their money back if we did qualify.
It makes perfect sense.
We have a strategy just now where the attitude is, we might spend if we qualify?
That is flawed.
I agree but none of that is the Manages fault I dare say he has told them something similar.
We need to be realistic. I too would love to be competing in the CL but the reality is that we might occasionally get to the group stages (maybe the odd the year in five) but we don’t have the finances to compete. What do we do? Well we use the resources that we have and try our damnedest. I personally don’t want the club to sell out to a sugar daddy, irrespective of the potential success, I want us to have a sound business model that allows us to compete as well as we can. We will probably never win the big cup again, but I would rather we competed in the Europa league within our means than potentially risk everthing chasing the bull. We can’t sell the soul of the club, like others have done. We are Celtic. We’re better tan that.
“but we don’t have the finances to compete”
we have a substantially larger budget that Legia, Malmo & Maribor. Yet they all knocked us out. Our problem is we waste far too much money on crap. Yeah we’ve found some gems, but wasted a shit load of cash on plenty others.
We also have running costs that are larger than theirs Franko.
It cost us £53m just to keep the lights on last Season.
Our Budget is relevant to the level of player we can afford.
We are not buying quality proven talent from the top Leagues we are buying young potential and proven SPL level talent.
Which at the moment is not that brilliant in the big scheme of things
especially in Europe.
spot on and they are all playing half way into thier seasons before the qualifiers start while it’s our first games
Correct Hancock these wee factors soon mount up the Champions League Qualifiers are not helpful to Clubs like ours in fact they handicap Leagues like ours further.
So that’s Finances,early start to Season and bedding in c constant stream of players a Celtic Manage has to contend with now.
Hancock,
When you are a big club like Celtic you have to cope with things like the oppositions season starting earlier.
It’s tactical nous that is required at this level, look how Legia dismantled us with ease!
charlie, i felt the exact same way about lennon, he lost too many cups and for that reason he was sacked FACT. this is not a personal vendetta against ronny, just my opinion that he is not good enough and has to be replaced,, too many big game chokes, just like lennon although at least lennon could get us in the champions league…. to n ot get past the likes of malmo and maribor are sackable offences, regardless of how good a game you can talk!!!
Spot on!
We narrowly went past Shakhter in his last Season bud LUCK played a huge part in that as Shakhter hit the bar and Matthews cleared off the line.
We got through thankfully and celebrated as if we had just pumped Real Madrid 5-0 in the Final.
We hadn’t we had just squeezed past the most one dimensional side we had ever faced in Europe.
Only to be royally pumped in the Groups.
Yep £20m better off finacially but Football wise battered into last spot.
Ronny picked up a side on the slide , a side which has been routinely built then stripped of it’s Assets to make money.
The same money to finance the current squad we have today.
This is our reality until our domestic situation improves..ie with the return of a side from Ibrox and a return of lost revenues.
Menahwile we have a decent Group in the Europa a genuine challenge against 3 sides who truth be told could piss our League given the chance.
We get through this Group then for me that is progress.
He’s only had 1 full Season in the job ffs he needs time to get it running properly.
CL qualification comes far too early in our Season btw Malmo wee aleady 25 games into their Season when we met a fact that some seem to dismiss as fuck all?
that’s 25 games to bed players in,get fitness levels up to an optimum and your team ticking over.
Malmo may not have our Finances but then it’s not like we are purchasing talent that’s any better than theirs is it?
Our player Poll is not bursting with top level players it consists mainly of Bosmans ,reserve players and SPL level talent.
The side O’Neil built would destroy the current Celtic side that’s a fact.
It never dominated the Champions League but it did reach a UEFA Cup Final.
I did not hear many fucking complaints about not playing Champions League when it did btw.
We spend less now alot less and we have folk moaning we’re not at the top table every year?
Champions League is not guaranteed the mediocre sides now are closer to us now than they were then that’s the reality some need to face.
Charlie,
You talk some shite son, so we can’t push the boat out because the Huns are fucking dead?
You mention the Huns quite a lot in your posts…do you miss them?
No I don’t but then…
‘Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.’Aldous Huxley
Their demise has put a dent in our Finances Monti even someone as blinkered as you must be able to that surely?
And if so then it is a relevant point to be making when talking about Finances surely?
You drop names like Klopp and Klinsman into the debate and have a cheek to call my post shite?
Catch yerel on son.
Due to the league we play in we really need to get lucky on both the managerial and playing front.
Any talent is spotted at a well age young these days. We have been outstandingly fortunate in some signings but we’ve also bought a few pups.
Living next door to a malignant force that is the EPL is strangling our game.
Even when we manage to nurture a talent there is only one way said talent is going.
It’s not even the big clubs that can tempt our diamonds, we seem to be a feeder club for Southampton currently, feckin Southfeckinhampton…….who they?????
The bad news is, it’s going to get much much worse as even the dross like Everton can thumb their noses at the horrible club Chelsea.
Spot on and a reality check needed for some Bawsman.
Charlie,
Do you like Thursday, Sunday?
When the final whistle went v Maribor at home and Malmo away, was this progress you had just witnessed or abject failure?
Charlie,
Reality check yourself son, that reality being that people have different viewpoints to you.
Get over yersel chocolate
Been a good while since I was addressed as son (about 2 decades)so am guessing you must be in you 70’s Monti?
That aside we were poor in both games in fact we haven’t really hit anywhere near top Gear all Season up until Sunday.
All Season of course being all 10 minutes of it so far.
We got turned over by 2 better sides on the night that’s all.
Now if we were to meet either 20 plus games into our own Season then I think that may have just been a different story.
I’mall for a different view point so long as it can be backed up by common sense.
Like I said, chocolate!
bawsman,
If you were a billionaire would Celtic be struggling for top quality players?
Would you heavily invest in the team, to try and make us a Champions league regular?
I would, without blinking!
It is absolutely not lazy to point to the huns and draw a comparison with sending money we don’t have and going into deep debt, which is unsustainable over time. The only way to become a European force is to spend multiple millions of pounds on a new manager, players, back room staff and other high end support services for a larger extremely well paid squad of players. Season tickets will be inadequate for that and what you are saying is you want some super rich oligarch or similar multibillionaire to come and make Celtic his/her hobby toy and throw his/her money in with no chance of a return or break even? I think that model is corrupt and I’m glad EUFA is trying at address it with fair play rules. They need to do more to level the field a bit. That said What specifically do you suggest Monti? Its equally lazy to suggest that DD should shell out his own money with no hope of breaking even. If we are to be a European force without an oligarch style set up what can we do Monti? Even with oligarch’s in the EPL or Spanish League – look at Chelsea and Man City, it isn’t easy.
Spot on.
Broxburnbhoy,
I have already stated that I didn’t want DD to spend on an industrial scale.
Just the three or four players of real quality that can lift the whole place.
It works both ways, if we don’t put quality on the park and don’t qualify for the CL then we are playing to a stadium two thirds full.
If we had a higher level of player and we are in the CL we are playing in front of full houses and DD gets his money back.
If DD isn’t into it, then go!
Problem is everyone has made a valid point.
I have lived & breathed Celtic since the day I was born,had green & white bootees the lot.
Now for my tuppence, I made the decision around 6 years ago not to purchase any merchandise until such time as I saw something that made me feel it was worthwhile parting with my cash. Both my boys have outgrown their’s & think dad’s stance is churlish & childish (they are right) but what other action is there as a customer other than to withdrawn your custom.
Jock Stein said that the Celtic shirt doesn’t shrink to fit the player, I’m afraid it has.
The first team shirts come in toddler size these days.
Hail Hail.
charlie, i am under no illusions that getting into the groups this season we would of been pumped, but you know what, at least we where there and 30million quid better off… it seems people are now happy to accept failure, to accept that were ‘europa league level’ UTTER GARBAGE we still have 45k fans every week, a massive wage bill and a massive squad… the only way we will improve is by getting into the champions league and attracting a better quality of player… we where one game away from berbatov sigining…. now thats the kind of player i would go and watch week in week out… im mnot asking us to spend millions but to properly invest in the playing squad with a manager that has a proven record in europe… ronny has had 3 failed attempts at champions league and has shown he does not learn from his mistakes.. warsaw, maribor and malmo…. its just not good enough…. i like the way he talks and his ideas on the game but i dont think he can produce them where it matters and there are alot of others out there who can do a better job… again, this is my opinion and it might not be correct but i have produced some facts and evidence to support this… can you give me some evidence to support ronny without refering to previous managers records in europe where they where playing a higher standard of footbALL
There are no guarantees in Football especially in Europe.
Ronny is not the first Celtic Manager to fail to qualify for the Champions League and he won’t be the last either.
Our Domestic situation has hamstrung us,No Rangers meant a big drop in finances,No Rangers meant a big drop in Competition,No Rangers meant a loss of Interest from Sponsors all of which has had an affect on our Club.
In response our Club has adopted a different approach to the transfer market we no longer take time to build a side, instead we speculate in the market buy buying young talent and then once they emerge as solid players we shift them on for profit.
Big profit.
We have made in excess of £30m in player deals in 4 years.
We have cut our running costs this season by 11% on last.
This again has a cumulative effect on our playing capability (as it would any Club regardless of size or Attendance).
To counter this our new manager has brought in a System he hopes bridges the gap left by finances.
A fitter,quicker pressing game that can be sustained for an entire game and not just 60 minutes or so as before.
I could show you stats from every game last Season that show we generally had more possession,created more chances and conceded less goals than the previous Seasons.
But you can do that yourself at any given time.
Sure we dropped points ,sure we have lost big games but then we always have,,Atmedia,Braga,Utrecht,Clyde,Morton,Caley Thistle under Barnes,St Mirren pumping us 4-1 it’s nothing new bud.
However the reactions nowadays are.
I think you will get far more out of a person by encouraging them than you will sniping and criticising their every mistake.
Hence why I think we should be backing our Manager when after all a ball has hardly been kicked this Season.
” Back our manager ” hahaha
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First of all Charlie…back off with the gtf..there’s no need for that kind of crap and I look forward to your apology in due course.
I’ve also decided that to debate with you is a waste of time.
You’re obviously the only real Celtic supporter on the Blog…the rest of us (Monti included…and ah’m NO him)…are wasters.
I don’t think he meant you Mike, when Charlie said “sell your shares and gtf” he was meaning Dermot if he’s not willing to do more to help the team progress.
point taken Gerry…
We shall see…
Thanks
No need for apologies Mike I was referring to the Absentee Landlord.
Thanks Charlie..
Correct Gerry.
Gentlemen many valid points being made but overall I tend to feel that Champions league is becoming more and more the exclusive self perpetuating cartel it was always designed to be. We as a club do not have access to the income streams of the major players in Europe due to the size of our national population. Equally the clubs at our level are halfway through their seasons when we play them in qualifying making them much more difficult opponents than they might otherwise be. However this is not to excuse Ronny from all blame or criticism some of his decisions have baffled me at times but I ask you to propose reasonable alternatives if you are going to go down that road Jurgen Kopp, Jurgen Klinsman, get a fucking grip!!!!! would you leave Southern California for east Glasgow if you weren’t a mad Tim, I am firmly of the view that Ronnie must be judged on this years Europa league campaign against a high standard of opposition which should provide an indication of how we will cope in next years qualifiers. If we make no impression then I will be forced to concede that time is up for Ronny and look elsewhere provided that elsewhere is not simply a troll through the usual suspects the Coyle’s and Mowbrays of the game.
Good post…
maryhillbhoy,
The two names Klopp and Klinsmann seem to you to be unrealistic, I said so myself, but my point was to think bigger when going for a manager.
Listen maybe I’ve got it all wrong maybe I should stop caring as much, maybe I shouldn’t go to the games or maybe I should just accept we are second rate, accept signings like willo flood and Efe Ambrose without passing comment, just sit back and not bother.
Stop thinking big, watch the attendances drop, fuck the Champions league, that’s for dafties, give me Thursday nights in the Europa league with the top stand shut.
If you don’t want to dream or to want Celtic to reach as far as we can and realise our potential, then that’s up to you.
But don’t criticise those among us who do…
well said ,the ground is half empty,the only fun is at away games,because of the atmosphere.and our lack of investment means we get humped by shit like MALMO ,BIG CHANGE NEEDED IN BOARD AND OWNERSHIP
Spot on.
Spot on Mayhill Bhoy that is.
Saturday was great,but if his big Norwegian pal had been fit,would Rogic and Commons have got a game,probably not and with fit a horse stephan playing,the guy with little footballing ability,we would have been watching the same drivel as usual.Rogic and Commons should be automatic picks if fit,we could flog Johansen in jan and bring in a better replacement
A good debate was had here… That I believe is the point of the exercise?
HH
Huns 0 St.Johnstone 3
Bowl anyone?
48 mins gone.
Oh ya beauty, pure hot-blog or whut!!
Right, never mind the old crap of who would win between a lion or a tiger, who would win a square go between Monti v Charlie Saiz.
Ma dough is on Charlie bhoy.
HAIL HAIL !
Monti, some of the stuff you say is right but there’s nothing to be gained by repeating over and over the same things and attacking the manager.
I think you have to look closely at the Malmo game for the answer….with everything that was at stake, with how we won through against Qarabag (especially in the away game) then the win at home against Malmo (first half especially), we expected that the form in those games would continue. Now we could imagine that 1, maybe 2 players might not have a good game..but the whole F*cking team was shite…that makes me suspicious that something happened behind the scenes on the training pitch or in the dressing room…something that we are not privvy to…yet. I cannae believe our whole team by chance played crap in the same game..there must be more to it than that. You explain to me how the same players that we were praising could all make such an almost deliberately bad performance and leave Ronny to take the blame. I don’t believe it was his tactics or lack of experience for a second…the players f*cking didn’t appear to put in the effort…the effort that we saw against Ajax (a team miles better than Malmo) and against Dundee. And I repeat that “I’m taking the penalty” wasn’t playing in those two games and we were like a new team of players. I smell Prima Dona syndrome. I’m sitting here fully expecting we’ll win the league AND qualify for the Champions next year…it’s hard to wait again, but that’s what we have to do. If Ronny fails to qualify next year, then I’ll be saying it’s time for him to go…three years is plenty of time to establish yourself and get the team playing to his tune.
Meanwhile I’m supporting him 100% and the Malmo game is in the past..only to be remembered as a warning that we will not repeat that performance. HH
Funkyy,
Yeah I suppose, thanks for your input!
Monti, Mike Bhoyle, Deadhead 67, Charlie, myself: we are all Celtic supporters and care passionately about our team. That’s a lot to have in common. The forum makes me think and will sometimes make me admit I’m wrong and I’m often wrong. I think I was dead wrong about Deila last season so will support him now. He has vision and a good plan for who we are, where we are at. I want us to do well in Europe but I think Deila will get us there, with the players we have, with the resources we have. I respect all you guys. You know our history. Give the man this season and take it from there.
That’s a sensible approach to take Devoy it took Lenny 2 Seasons to sort his side out for Europe his 3rd Season was arguably our best Season in Europe since Seville I think and may have skewed the expectation levels of some of the Support as a result.
The beating of Barca on the Anniversary was a pinnacle for a great many however the 5-0 Aggregate thumping that followed by Juve was a good reminder for the rest of us not to take any of it for granted.
Deila took the reigns off the back of all this however the Season pevious the writing was on the wall for the side,the constant selling of the best talent has taken a toll on our capabilities.
You cannot hope to build on a successful Season like that if you do not continue to invest and keep the side together.
I agree with Monti on the Investment side however I also take into account that unfortunately since the demise of the Ibrox cash generator we have had to take some tough Financial decisions at Celtic and at a cost to what who we put on the Park.
All of it is relevant ,none of it can be dismissed or ignore as all of it contributes bit by bit to a weakening of the side over the long term.
Something had to change Ronny Deila highlighted the things he could alter to compensate for the lack of genuine quality.
It takes time for changes to have an affect sure some things become evident fairly quickly like an increase in tempo or durability due to changes in diet and fitness.
Others will take time and of course those changes may also mean a change in personnel.
It is in my view only common sense to allow this transition to take place because I firmly believe when it all does click into place we will be a match for better sides both at home and abroad.
One more thing..
A return of a genuine threat/competition from a Club playing out of Ibrox will be a positive financially for Celtic next Season hopefully we may see an end to selling of our best to compensate for any loss of revenue as we have seen in recent years.
That’s if they don’t implode again meanwhile 😉
HH
Interesting times ahead methinks.
” return of a genuine threat “?
They can’t return, they are dead!
agreed Monti …you can’t return to some where you have never been 😉 . Toatal agree with getting rid of PL aswell (but it’s more to do with lack of action about sevco than selling players ). As for selling the best players , to be fair we have no choice doing it. VVD is now on 45k a week at Southampton, we just can’t compete with that. Even if we try to get them to stay, the money is more important to players these days ….sad really , it’s not as if you’d be poor playing for Celtic , but it aint enough for these greedy bar stewards these days
why do you keep bringing Sevco into the debate ? They would make no difference to Celtic 1 way or the other. Do you think if/when Sevco get promoted that Celtic will up their wage cap to 40/50 k a week. Having an extra couple of quid for TV rights etc aint gonna make a dent in the gulf in finaces between our league and the EPL.
Devoy,
No!
I have seen enough of Deila and had enough of this board!
The narrow world view of Glasgow never fails to stun me. Just because Celtic reached three European finals in the past some fans expect such feats to naturally be Celtic’s future. Celtic are the best team in a financially poor league. They are now a feeder club for the English Premiership, Think van Dyck, Wanyama, Forster, Ki sun-Yoong. In past days think Dalglish, Macari etc.We have been so since 1970.
Ronnie is an asset. Our players are now leaner, faster and fitter. The standard of play against Dundee was simply sublime. We are clearly the best in wee Scotland but are in danger of being a footnote in football history. Ronnie is intelligent. Keep faith in him.
Without CL the stadium will not be full all season including Europa all due to losing against an average Malmo team. Who is to blame if its not RD – MUST BE CHARLIE!
Keep him on his toes Monti! I wont be back until RD is away, as are half the stadium under his management.
even with the CL the stadiums only full for the CL games …don’t go using that as an excuse for empty seats. Sure it helps some what but times of games and other commitments play a bigger part in empty stadiums and more so the cost of going these days