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Celtic Diary Monday November 24: Celts Need To Stop The 70th Minute Shutdown

Celtic maintained their position at the top of the league with a 2-1 win over a Dundee side who probably deserved something out of the game for their efforts. Sure, Celtic had their traditional seventy minute shutdown, but a two goal lead should have been enough to see the game out comfortably. Instead, in order to keep London road free from traffic for a bit longer, the hoops sat back, and it nearly cost them.

Anthony Stokes opened the scoring when he headed a near post corner home, the first goal direct from a corner for some time, which co-incided with him not taking them anymore, as Kris Commons had been restored to the team. John Guidetti finished off a sweeping move to put the hoops two up, but a bit of panic in defence, where no-one seemed to knopw what anyone else was supposed to be doing, saw David Clarkson grab a consolation for Dundee.

This relatively new idea that teams visiting Celtic Park have of actually trying to win the game is welcome, refreshing, and not in the least bit irritating. Dundee played well, fought hard and Celtics defence should have treated Clarkson, who has now scored in seven consecutive games, with a little more respect.

Beram Kayal had the ball in the net after that, but the linesman flagged him offside, tv pictures later showed he was level, and therefore onsode, but the word is the linesman flagged because Kayal had scored, and he thought something somewhere was wrong, so he put the flag up anyway.

You know, as the Israeli rounded the keeper and was faced with an open goal, you still expected him to blast over the bar. So did he, as he just let it trickle over the line.

It wasn’t the greatest performance, but its three points. Celtic will have to step up a gear if they are to avoid visiting Zagreb next month still needing a point to qualify for the latter stages of the Europa. a win over Red Bull on Thursday will render that game meaningless.

Adam Matthews agrees that the hoops need to play better;

“It’s going to be a tough game and we know from the away match the threats that they pose.

“We know we’ve got to be on our game and play better than we did against Dundee or else they will turn us over.

“Hopefully, we will get a good crowd here and hopefully can win the match.

“We don’t want it to go down to the last match. We’d like to get the job done as soon as possible.

“We were a little unhappy we didn’t qualify in the last match but Thursday is another chance to show Europe what we can do.

“Hopefully ,we’ll get a good result and a good performance.”

The league is a lot closer, and a lot tougher than in recent years. Looking at the table, Celtic cannot afford to slip up, and if they do, there are three or four teams waiting to pounce;

# Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts Last 6
1 Celtic 13 9 2 2 27 9 18 29
2 Inverness 14 9 2 3 22 12 10 29
3 Dundee U 14 9 1 4 25 15 10 28
4 Hamilton 14 8 3 3 27 14 13 27
5 Aberdeen 14 8 1 5 20 17 3 25
6 Dundee 14 5 5 4 19 17 2 20
7 Kilmarnck 14 6 2 6 16 19 -3 20
8 St J’stone 14 5 2 7 12 17 -5 17
9 Partick 13 4 3 6 17 17 0 15
10 Motherwell 14 3 1 10 9 24 -15 10
11 St Mirren 14 2 2 10 10 25 -15 8
12 Ross Co 14 2 2 10 13 31 -18 8
Last updated: November 23, 2014 7:52pm

Key

Uefa Champions League: 1st
Europa League: 2nd, 3rd
Play Off: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th
Relegation: 12th

Compare that with the First Division, which was predicted to be the tightest of the two.

# Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts Last 6
1 Hearts 14 12 2 0 37 7 30 38
2 Rangers 14 9 2 3 35 13 22 29
3 Q of South 14 7 4 3 26 16 10 25
4 Hibernian 14 6 4 4 24 16 8 22
5 Raith 14 5 3 6 16 26 -10 18
6 Falkirk 14 4 5 5 18 22 -4 17
7 Dumbarton 14 3 4 7 13 31 -18 13
8 Alloa 14 3 3 8 15 23 -8 12
9 Cowdenb’th 14 3 2 9 15 34 -19 11
10 Livingston 14 2 3 9 11 22 -11 9
Last updated: November 22, 2014 7:23pm

Key

Promotion: 1st
Play Off: 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Relegation: 10th

Hearts beat Second Rangers 2-0 in Saturdays lunchtime game, although the Glasgow side seemed a bit rattled by the importance of the match, and the occasion got to them as they punched, kicked and shoved their way to a red card and several yellow cards. Such was the frequency and ferocity of some of the tackling one can only assume that referee Craig Thomson had misplaced his red card at half time, but was too embarrassed to admit it, and just caried on with the yellow.

So, with the second biggest budget and the second largest support in Scotland, are the knives in the press out for rookie boss Ally McCoist yet ?

Embedded image permalink Doesn’t seem like it, which is no surprise. Note the bottom line -Tynecastle inquest-as opposed to praising the Edinburgh side for how far they have come since exiting administration after getting their house in order.

News broke over the weekend that Celtic have already agreed a £3m fee should they take up the option to buy John Guidetti in January. It was always in the public domain that Celts had this option, and its being touted as news simply because someone has announced the figure involved.

Again, its down to whether the player wants to stay, and if the right deal is offered to him.

It needs to be done. We don’t want to be stuck with someones elses striker who has signed a deal to play for someone else again when it comes down to playing for trophies.

Celtic were in Portugal again at the weekend, watching Benfica in a cup game. I don’t know who they are looking at, but since we are starting to look a little lightweight in midfield, I’m guessing its in that area.

Going back to Saturdays game, and the Celtic line up, you may also have noticed that Stefan Sepovic , though on the bench, never got on to the park, hinting that Ronny Deila isn’t going to use him on Thursday. Leigh Griffiths wasn’t even on the bench, despite performing well when asked.

With Guidetti unavailable for the tie, does that mean he’s going with Stokes alone up front ? Supported by Commons, Forrest and probably MacGregor ?

Wow, thats , er, brave. With Denaayer injured, and a doubt for the game, that means, with the exception of Craig Gordon in goal, it could be all last years players who take the field for the most important game of the season to date.

Which, in my book, mean the entire scouting staff should be in the office this morning and asked exactly what they do to earn their money.

Take away the two Mamchester City loannees, and yet again, the new boys have been a failure. an abject failure.

I’m going to float a crazy theory here, maybe theres something in it, maybe not.

We have seen how those involved in Scottish football off the field have belittled the game publicly, claiming its a one horse race to the title, and so on.

Well, maybe some of the players who have arrived at Celtic expecte it to be a whole lot easier than it is. Maybe they thought that they could potter along at half power and still get by.

If that is the case, then its more than the scouting staff that need to be carpeted. Are we telling these players they are guaranteed honours, and champions league football, whilst forgeting that you still have to go out and earn them ?

Just a thought.

If thats the case, a knock on effect will be to annoy those already in the squad, who will feel they are not pulling their weight, but also that they have to give them time, so that we can be sure they are not pulling their weight.

The absence of all bar the three  mentioned from the line ups recently suggests that the penny has dropped somewhere. The question is how to avoid it recurring. Neil Lennon had to put up with whoever was forced on him, it isn’t fair to do that to Ronny Deila as well.

Beram Kayal, who has been out of the picture at Celtic for a while, despite the odd cameo appearance, looks set to leave in January. He is wanted back in Israel;

 

“We will speak with Beram and ask him if he wants to come back,” Maccabi Haifa boss Aleksandar Stanojevic said to the Daily Record. “The player’s agent is already in Israel and we are talking with him.

“We have been told he has not ruled out a return here.” -by Beram Kayal, most probably.

 Leigh Griffiths day off on Saturday has led to stories he will be punted back to Hibernian on loan resurfacing, maybe even taking Liam Henderson with him to help toughen up the youngster and to get him some game time. his career has stalled a bit since bursting onto the scene last year, and it would do him good to get back playing.

 But its all just conjecture. Perhaps Griffiths was being rested ahead of the Salzburg game, to allow him to be fresh for the lone striker role on Thursday.

 I honestly don’t know which statement has the least credibility there. Henderson to Hibs , or Griffiths to start.

But this statement, from Keith Jackson , beats them both in the incredulous stakes, as he talks about First and Second Rangers attitude to spending;

It might just be the only business in the history of insolvency events to have allowed this spend-at-all-costs mentality to survive the catastrophe of liquidation. 

It’s drilled down so deep into the club’s DNA that it has become the answer to almost every problem it encounters. Whenever Rangers are in trouble the default position is to spend more and buy their way out of it with another fistful of Aye Readies.

 Right, you do know if something is liquidated, then its finished, don’t you Keith. ? For instance, the new clubs badge doesn’t include “Aye Ready ” anymore, and that particular crest has been quietly erased from around Ibrox.

What you really mean is that lessons were not learned after the original club spent its way into oblivion by those who formed a new club to carry on the spirit and traditions of the old one.

 Nothing escapes from liquidation.

 And laughter continues to be the theme from Ibrox. Take this, from boss McCoist, from the BBC website

“It’s going to be difficult,” said McCoist of his team’s chances of overtaking Hearts.

“We are not halfway into the season, there’s a long long way to go. I am still as firmly focused, determined and full of belief as I ever have been.”

Asked about any added pressure on him following Rangers’ third league defeat of the season, McCoist replied: “I don’t think about that myself and that’s the truth.

“My only concern is the team and the club getting back to where we want to be.

“Today is another reminder that it’s going to be difficult, very difficult.

“Hearts are playing very well but I think we showed enough, particularly in the first half, that we are more than capable of closing that gap.

He’s here all week. You should try the veal.

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 Fridays Diary had a picture of Roy Aitken, once the heartbeat of Celtic, and its his birthday today. We wish him all the best, and leave you with a picture of how he should be remembered;

 Heres one for the future, with a link to the past . Who  is he, and whats the link ?

Finally, can you tell us which of these pairs are a couple of callous, money grabbing gangsters, ( whoever never stole from their own),  based in London,and which one is the Krays ?

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Dave
9 years ago

Did we not score from a corner at Pittodrie?

Gerry
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Yeah VVD used his height and physical presence to score with his, er, right foot twelve inches from the ground at the back post. He’s easily missed that Dutchman, good marking dons!!
Wakaso may feature on Thursday, and while he’s not setting the heather on fire there might be something there so would perhaps include him with the other three; certainly Tonev and Berget don’t belong at our club so they can head back in January or preferably before. This upcoming window could make or break Deila so I hope he and his staff get it right.

andybhoy
9 years ago

Osborne sinking the link into Cameron, just reaching the tickly bit.
Would like to see the Krays buggering the life out of those two.

But not in a voyeuristic way… you know.

Tubbytubthumper
9 years ago

Mini Larsson – future partner for Guidetti?

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

We scored from an indirect free kick which was won by Forrest on the byline.
Heres the current state of play regarding Goals from corners this season…

98 Corners
5 Goals

Before anyone slates the manager it was just as bad under Lenny.
We have been woefully bad off Corners for 4 years at Celtic.
Which is a terrible waste considering we average quite a few over the Season.
Perhaps going short or pulling it back to the edge of the box to a Commons,Johansen or Mulgrew would be a better option now and again?

deadhead67
9 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

we have scored quite a few from corners this season Denayer has at least 2 ,perhaps if we stopped strikers taking corners and actually had them in the box trying to score we would do better

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

We have scored 5 from 98.

That’s fucking woeful by any stretch of the imagination.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

I thought the boy Greg Stewart looked a decent player against us and further investigation online it seems he was a bit of a match winner at Cowdenbeath before moving to Dundee?
30 goals in 120 games at Cowdenbeath
5 in 11 games so far at Dundee.
Might be worth a punt methinks he has decent ability to get past a man and a decent finish on him too.

deadhead67
9 years ago

The goal came from a free kick,and we scored from a corner at pittodrie in the game before,does the writer of these diaries actually watch the games
DEILA OUT NOW
YEAH LETS GO AFTER A COWDENBEATH MATCH WINNER FFS

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

dh

Think I’ll go back in the cupboard. You would bring tears to the eyes of a pessimist.

H H

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

He made our defence look very poor at times did you watch the game yersel or were you as I suspect down the Louden with Derek Acora looking for Spirits?

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago

Ralph

It looks as if, at long last, I just might have gotten some time back to annoy you with my comments again. Although I have not been posting, I have spent many of my early morning hours trying to keep abreast of the diaries and the pearls it casts before swine. In fact it has kept my mind off my wife’s breasts while she spent the last three months traversing a large section of the globe by plane, train and auto-mobile with the odd cruise ship thrown in. It has been the perfect substitute even providing a regular series of domestics to make me feel so at home. My thanks to all who have made me feel present in spirit if not always in body. An additional thank you to those who enquired about my physical state in a mad rush to write my obituary. Sorry, but to quote a well known personality that I am not p***ssed off or up enough to do you the courtesy of checking up on, “my recent demise has been greatly exaggerated” – or some similar dead beat statement. Instead, the skeleton is back out of the cupboard and if his comments stank before they are guaranteed to be rank rotten after several months covered in mothballs. However, my green and white scarf has survived intact, my 67 tammy still keeps the bald patch warm and my Seville jamies are still dry thanks to my sound 88 incontinence pants. I look forward to entering the current debates and to bringing to the table my informed (look out HS), well supported (look out CS) and balanced (look out AD, MB etc., etc.)views. As for Ralph and his sparring partner, Desi, you pair should be grateful your referee, Hector Bandido, is not Scottish. Even the following list could not produce enough red cards to cover the penalties your foul play has warranted over the last several months, Greg Aitken, Crawford Allan, Euan Anderson, John Beaton, Iain Brines, Craig Charleston, Kevin Clancy, William Collum, Brian Colvin, Barry Cook, Andrew Dallas, Stephen Finnie, Kevin Graham, Bobby Madden, John McKendrick, Steven McLean, Alan Muir, Calum Murray, Euan Norris, Mat Northcroft, Stevie O’Reilly, Des Roache, Don Robertson, Paul Robertson, George Salmond, David Somers,
Craig Thomson, Mike Tumilty. Never mind the four gangsters in the above photos, when was the last time anyone saw a list of such a parcel of rogues as these?

To finish on an unbiased opinion, I still say RD will make a good Celtic team out of what we have including the disabled Forrest (sounds like a woodland that has had the chop – maybe not so far off the truth), the completely useless (see Ralph’s list), the non triers (I will leave it to their consciences) and those who are doing the best with what they little they have – probably the whole team. Look on the bright side. There were two minutes of sound entertaining football on Saturday. That is a 100% improvement in a fortnight, if you include a week’s break at the international circus. So, be of good cheer. Christmas is near and next season we “will be top o’ the world ma!”

Nice to be back.

H H

PS I’ll laugh my head off if this gets posted. Imagine just back and actually being posted first time – I can’t!!

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

I believe in miracles!!!

H H

charlie
9 years ago

the fat fella disnae think about the pressure same as he disnae read his contracts before he signs them i dont know who to pity most chubby or the dafties who write this shite ha ha by the way is the boy clarkson no a relative ae Phil O Donnell

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  charlie

charlie

His nephew.

H H

charlie
9 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

cheers pentionerbhoy i thought i read about them being related when Phil was at the tic

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Charlie

He was actually playing for Motherwell in the game when his uncle Phil collapsed. Caused additional distress on the day.

H H

charlie
9 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

your right pentionerbhoy thats were i read it youve got a better memory than me ha ha

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago

Afternoon…
Couple of things from the article…..
Dundee’s “fresh” approach isn’t so fresh…inasmuch as…very few,if any,teams shut up shop against us now.
The “fear factor” no longer applies,and any Coach,worth his salt,knows how to play us. Our defence is still like a sieve and opposing teams ain’t afraid to have a go.
We were lucky to come away with the 3 points,again, and I’m depressed at the amount of Celtic supporters now saying..
“A win is a win…and 3 points is all that matters.”…
Well sorry..I ain’t going down that road.
I’ve already said I don’t like RD’s system…I think it’s crap actually…but if he’s determined to stick to it…then he needs to get players in who can play it.
‘Cos at the moment….we’re sadly lacking.
As for the scouting staff…Somebody needs a rollicking here…we have had some real plugs over the last couple of seasons…No more please.
Finally..You spoke about Lenny having players “forced on him”…? Is this in fact true? I only ask because PL has twice stated in recent interviews that “The manager has the final say on all players…coming and going.”..So..
What is the truth with regards to this?
Does anyone REALLY know?

9 years ago

I would like to see the passing stats for us this season. It seems to me that most teams we play seem to pass better than we are.

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Raymobhoy

Raymobhoy

We will be top if you count perfect passes to the opposition.

And, in answer to an old friend, Mike, I am not sure our problems are so much down to any system but rather to the lack of simple basic football skills. Even Stein needed players with at least the basics to create the Lyons. If they are not there – just watch our pathetic ball control and that includes among many others that of Commons, Forrest and even Van Dijk – no system in the world will cure the problem.

H H

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

PB…
To my simple mind (very simple some would say) it is the system…
Which is totally based on passing…which requires technical skills to execute and technical skills to receive…and I totally agree with your assesment…Our players don’t have these skills.
That’s my concern.
HH

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago

Raymobhoy:
I made that very point on here last week…
RD’s system seems to be TOTALLY based on passing…which is fine..if it’s done at speed,with the correct weight and with accuracy.
Unfortunately…that’s where we fall down.
We are very good at short,crisp man to man stuff…but that’s usually done at the back or in the middle.
When it comes to a telling pass over 5 yards in the final third…forget it.
Our final ball is dreadful.(Forrest on Saturday..is exempt.)

pensionerbhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

Mike

You answered yourself with my reply – thief!

H H

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

Kris Commons first touch is normally a pass…to them.

holy sea
9 years ago

Regards,PB,Welcome back.
I see McAllister(bluenose) has redefined the football vernacular
term ‘ big punt up the park ‘ to ‘ long left diagonal ‘.Who is he trying to kid ? Sevco’s tactics against the jam farts,was always
going to be,big punt to Daly.To dress it up,like McAllister tried
to,sums up Scottish MSM.
When we play them(God forbid) they will employ the same
‘tactics’.They will kick to gain yardage,and they will all pile in,
with arms,legs and bulging eyeballs,to do the nearest Hoops
player.
We have to be clever,and let our high intensity,passing game
show them up.They are one paced,and both the Edinburgh clubs have shown how BAD they really are !!

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

The only disagreement I have with you here is..
How lightly you’ve let this fud off..:0)..
I cringed at some of the stuff he uttered…and I tried to put Celtic players in the place of Miller and Boyd ..
He would have crucified them
HH

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

Mike,
I only saw the first half,of the Sevco game,before I went to
Paradise.Did not see the second half assualts.I can only
imagine,what the fud McAllister said about them.He called the Smith assault,an ‘ untidy ‘ tackle.FFS ! They will say anything,
to appease the watching Zombies.

elcormaco
9 years ago

I had some hope that Delia was showing some flexibility to this 4-3-3 or in realtiy 4-5-1 system, when he played two stikers centrally for a game or two and we performed well. Alas no it seems, we are forever (whie he is here) to seee Celtic take on clubs with a small fraction of our budget / talent with a fearsome 1 striker and players “supporting” from wide. FFS, its not going to work on heavy scottish pitches with technically limited players. We said it when he started, we re still saying it now. 4-4-2 with a midfiled diamnond, still allows full backs to push on, keeps two strikers central and gives cover at the back is the system that suits the players, the league and the conditons in Scotland. Cant John Collins, tell him that.

WRT Lawwell and signing players, the Neil Lennoninterview from a few weeks back contrasdicts thsi view that lawell / Park A.N Other decide who to sign. Lenny made it clear he was very well supported by the board and he went to them with targets which were then priced / woprked through. It may not be popular to say it, but i thought Lennon could not have been any more fulsome in his praise of Lawwell, so maybe he deserves some slack on the issue of player signings. But yes, another crop of crap seems to ahve come in – Berget – still cant belive he played a CL qualifier the day he arrived, & Tonev could go now and not be missed, Scepovic I thought was starting to look better, and deserves some game time (as does Griffiths) and please lord let it be true some one is willing to take Kayal away.

Poor Sally, as walter correctly pointed out last week, he has had no support (apart from the second biggest wage bill in Scotland) and his young team (average age 29) need time, plus he is a young (49?) year old poorly renumerated (£800k pa)rookie manager with only 4 years in the job – how can he be expected to set a style of play, and push for promotion working under these intolerable conditions.On Saturday it was clear only Miller, Daly, Smith, Mc Culloch, Boyd & Black carried out his “tactics” of trying to injure Hearts players. He neeeds much much much more time – well until 2nd Rangers fold any way, as the great man said himself “Im as full of beef a I’ve always been” beef of course being his preferred pir from Greggs.

been off here for a bit, never said congratulations to Scotland for beating Ireland, it was deserved on the night.

Hail Hail

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  elcormaco

4-4-2 witha midfiled Diamond is 4-3-3.
4-4-2 incidentally has been binned by most of the top coaches in the world.
Sure there are some leading luminaries like Sam Allardyce ,Mark Hughes and that dick at Leicester who still stick by the tried and trusted 4-4-2 66 coats for goalposts approach.

Fuck me move on.
Jose and Pep did years ago.

London celtic
9 years ago

Never eat yellow snow guys.

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago
Reply to  London celtic

Arrrghh!…Now you tell me…
It looked so tempting…
Need to go rinse out my mouth…

Rab Wallace
9 years ago

No DNA testing required, that’s King Henrik’s bhoy.

9 years ago

The replies in the diary never fail to amaze me.
Our forward line was Stokes, Forrest & Guidetti – that’s 3 strikers in my books. Which teams have you lot been watching that play 2 through the middle? I honestly can’t think of any.
And I don’t get this nonsense about Dundee deserved something from the game – they didn’t. Celtic had the majority of the possession, the most shots and the most shots on target.
I didn’t particularly enjoy the game, but we deserved to win.
We should be playing better, that’s without any doubt, but spare me the Dundee should have got a point nonsense.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Andy Docherty

100% Spot on Andy.
Slack finishing has cost us points this Season it has fuck all to do with playing with 1 lead striker.
I actually count Commons as a 4th striker myself..as he seldom put a fucking shift in as a Midfielder any more.

Jose plays the same system and it seems to have worked fine for him over the piece no?

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