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Amsterdam; What should we do next ?

Five Celtic fans have been given jail terms for their involvement in violence in Amsterdam before the Champions League match against Ajax.

A sixth fan was acquitted after the group appeared at Amsterdam District Court on Thursday.

Two of the men were sentenced to two months, one to one month and two to six weeks while one was acquitted, according to lawyer Kerem Canatan who tweeted from the court. He said they all had two weeks to appeal.

Mr Canatan tweeted that the judge has awarded damages of €250 (£209) to three police officers and €500 to one officer.

Twenty-two of the Scots were released with some paying fines of up to €500 (£420), Dutch police said.

That was the outcome of yesterdays trial. Which wasn’t entirely unexpected.

In order to get a swift trial, the supporters “previous ” lawyers had opted not to cross examine police witnesses.

Effectively this meant that it was the word of the police against the word of the fans.

They never really stood a chance.

They were charged with acts of violence in a public place, the nearest equivalent over here would be affray. Affray is a kind of catch all charge where the public are endangered by the accuseds actions. Its a very difficult charge to defend.

Originally, it was used over here to round up people who were fighting outside a pub, and instead of trying to find out who started it and why, they would simply arrest and charge everyone with affray, and claim that passers by were in danger.

Very difficult to get out of. If you are ever faced with an affray charge, stay well away from magistrates courts. You’ve got no chance.

The magistrate will always come down on the side of the police, and convict.

Thats why it was a mistake to try to call the police out for their lies in a straightforward contest. It was never going to go well. All the magistrate wants to know is if violence happened, and were the accused involved.

When he said they could have walked away , that was the nail in their coffin.

Now, we all know, via video and eye witness accounts what really happened, and a trial at a higher court would have examined all the evidence. And perhaps there would have been a different outcome. In fact, there would probably have been a different outcome, but the key in winning court cases is to fight the charge, and only the charge.

In this case, it was the word of the city police against the word of some foreign football fans, with the local magistrate deciding what went on.

The police said they arrested some fans who were involved in the fracas, there was a risk to public order, and they did not leave the area, but instead, got involved.

That was the charge they were facing. They were involved, and the court would not have taken long to decide on their guilt.

So, what happens next ? Apart from the fury of the Celtic support ?

Theres the appeal, and it will need a huge effort from the defence to quash the conviction. As far as the law is concerned, they were involved in the violence, whether they started it or not, whether they were just in the wrong place or not, whether they were defending themselves or not.

None of that matters on an affray charge. Believe me. I know.

There are bucket collections at the game tomorrow to help with their appeal defence, there will be other fundraisers taking place, but unless the defence centres on the charge, and not on apportioning blame, it will fail.

Thats the way these things work.

So, what can we do ? Or what can the fans do ?

They are on their way home now, released until the appeal. There has been talk of not going back to face the court, and just ignoring it.

Unfortunately, this is now a high profile case, and that is not possible. Scottish police would be at their doors the same day the court said they hadn’t turned up. Then things would just get worse for them.

To contest an affray charge, you would need witnesses that say they were not in any danger from the supporters, but they were in danger from the undercover police. That way, they are guilty of causing an affray.

Anyone know where we can find a few thousand witnesses ?

And there-in lies the answer. Each and every supporter must file a statement that says he saw what happened, and saw the police instigate the incident.

It will take them months and months just to read them, and as a result, the case will drop out of the public eye, and be quietly dismissed.

If it does go ahead, Celtic fans who are able to , should attend the trial, or at the very least , attempt to. All behaving, and more importantly, all enhancing the reputation of the support abroad.

The prospect of hundreds, maybe even thousands of Celtic fans returning to the city will also make them consider dumping the case.

Bear in mind, they are not going to get the conviction over turned. The best they can hope for is for it to be dismissed, due to the unreliability of the police statement-several of them, I believe , don’t quite add up.

Thats where the extra few thousand defence witnesses come in.

I’m no lawyer, and my experience, which is quite considerable,  comes from the occasional appearance in court, largely due to made up police evidence.

But I would go down the line of getting the case dropped, by overwhelming the court with evidence for the defence. They have to read it, and consider it. That, too , is the law.

A few thousand statements would give them something to begin with. Just the thought of everyone going back to give evidence should be enough.

Go for it.

 

 

 

There have been calls for the club to do something, but in reality, there is very little they can do, except offer financial support.

 

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The Holy Poet.
10 years ago

Thanks for clearing up the legal side for me, I will be putting it on West London CSC’s Facebook page today.

MarkyBhoy
10 years ago

And that’s what they call a plan. I’ll see the bhoys down here, in East Ayrshire, that were there and help them organise their ststements.

Bawbag
10 years ago

I am a barrister working in NSW (and a Tim) with some limited experience of criminal matters, however I do to some extent agree that an effective tactic in this matter is to frustrate the process and in essence drive the cost of the matter up for the Durch prosecuting authorities. Litigation – even in most criminal matters – comes down to commercial reality.

Stiofan
10 years ago

Would it be worthwhile , in the meantime , whilst the petition is being raised, to raise an action in the UK on the grounds that their human rights have been breached. Did they understand the charges, we’re they held too long before trial, did they receive medical treatment, did the inaccurate press reports both in UK and Europe prejudice their case? Perhaps if an action was raised in the UK it would delay the appeal and allow a better opportunity to organise and collate witness material? Any Hoop human rights lawyers out there?

Stuart McGinley
10 years ago

I think the course of action here is to single out the plain clothed police officer and his fellow companions that held one of the fans and kicked the shit out of him and get a lawyer to file a charge of assault and battery against them we may then find a counter claim very interesting… HH all to quote del boy you know it makes sense

10 years ago

I’m up for any of this, just tell us what to do, we will get the letters flying in. I was confronted by 5 off duty cops(I think!) but I was sober and it was a stand off. I will never set foot in that place again.We booked a place through House Trip and got ripped off, guy kept deposit and said he had a weapon,,..unreal. Amsterdam?? overrated rip off police state

10 years ago

Ralph

Can I just begin by saying a big thank you for clarifying the situation.

There is clearly a grave injustice here even though there seems to be no infringement of the letter of the law (familiar anyone?). I am somewhat perplexed as I had always understood the Dutch to be much more respectful of truth and justice. The stories of the last couple of weeks have been quite an eye opener. The administration of justice would appear to be internationally as unilateral as criminality.

I am sure I am not alone in not knowing anyone who was there, in having no first hand knowledge of any case and in being unable to travel to Holland but wanting to contribute in some way other than just financially – which seems a little futile now in view of what is being said. Your very heading seems to ask my question. How can I be of some practical help? I do not wish to dismiss anyone who comments but it seems to me the only proper advice can come from someone with legal qualifications. It is common knowledge from other sites there are people in the Celtic family with legal experience of the highest order and I would welcome any input from them.

H H

10 years ago

One other point, I’ve been informed the bhoys were not fed for a whole day, they were not allowed to see a solicitor and they were not allowed to contact the UK embassy….human rights violations. The Dutch cops turned on the Celtic fans, cowardly bsds. I walked past Dam Square around 7pm on Wed night, unaware there had been trouble, I asked a riot shield cop what had happened..he growled like a dog a said “F off. Amsterdam, disgrace, ss are back

ACAB
10 years ago

A feel the consulate could have stepped and done more,Words just can’t describe bout the situation,A pre-mediated attack on which was not an angry mob just a few cheerful fans having a sing song.Our fans are praised at every event and every country we go to yet Dutch authorities/hooligans can launch and say it was justified and they used reasonable force to apprehend??? A think a must be seeing the wrong videos of police brutality on our fans.If tides were turned we wid have charges of ABH/GBH and lawfull assault.We knew the fans were hooligans and brutes but not pre mediated attack.Words don’t cover how pissed off a am

michael mccusker
10 years ago

this should be take up in Europa, this is a clear case of provocation, false arrest, and assault on innocent people, by a police force posing as locals, everyone has a right to defend them selves against this sort of attack, contact your M.E.P

CarllJungleBhoy
10 years ago

What are the plans or highlighting/protesting about this issue at the Milan match? .Besring in mind that CL matches are shown world wide, and that there’s already a growing recognition across Europe that we are the victims not the culprits in this, the Milan match is a perfect PR opportunity to bring the issue to an even wider audience #DAMJUSTICE

10 years ago

fuck the cloggy bassas

bondibrian
10 years ago

I got deported from Holland in 1985, never been back.

MON THE HOOPS the night !!!!!!!!!!

HAIL HAIL.

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