It’s all a but surreal today.
Celtic could go eight points behind in the league to a resurgent Hearts under the tutelage of Derek McInnes.
And there’s a new Diary.
I don’t know which is harder to believe.
Of course, Celtic could go to Tynecastle, play football the way it should be played and storm to within two points of our main challengers.
Ah wait, thats the one thats harder to believe.
Celtic of late have not been the Celtic of old, or even recent. There’s a malaise that has spread throughout the club and it’s infected the players, the support, the manager, the staff and the board.
Each is culpable, in it’s own way, and no one has stepped up to mix their metaphors and grab the bull by it’s horns and put it back on the rails.
That’s why today’s game is , to put it mildly , the most important of the season so far.
The game against Kairat Almaty, or whatever they were called, was important financially, as it directly affected how much money the board could hide under the mattress for this season, and although there is considerable prestige in the Champions League, we can take comfort in the fact it was only two embarrassing results at that level.
Had we qualified, and I know it’s only speculation, but I’m not convinced we’d had put up a jolly good fist of it.
The Europa League probably is our level, with what appears to be a rebuild under way, and even if the board had sanctioned whatever moves the manager had wanted to make in the summer, it would have been unlikely to have made much difference. Players take time to gel, and even a system as simple as out horseshoe formation takes time to get used to.
Usually because newcomers can’t believe anyone would be so stupid as to think it would work.
When you strip away all the whinging and the whining and the sack the board the plain truth is that the manager has employed a system designed not to lose matches , and the players want to win them, because they’re the ones out there who get shouted at and groaned at by thousands of people a couple of times a week.
We’ve all worked in toxic environments, in fact, some of us have created them, but sooner or later the the whole thing shudders to a halt, inquests are held, and those responsible for the problem are told that the business needs to move in a different direction.
From whoever is causing the problem.
Starting at the top, much fuss is made about the board not giving the manager the money he needs to strengthen the squad.
The board would argue they tried that last summer and look what we ended up with.
Then they are accused of hoarding money. Well, you have to put some aside for bills.
It might surprise some of us, but there are more expenses involved in running a business, for sadly that’s what our club, a PLC, actually is.
And although I’m not defending the board, there can be no argument against there ability to run a profitable business, and to maximise revenue and profit from their customer base.
Whilst you and I might want to spend any extra money we have that’s coming in , they do have a responsibility to spend it wisely.
After all, technically, it’s not their money.
This is where the problem in recruitment lies.
We have had a working model which identifies players who can be developed and sold at a massive profit. That’s pretty much why there’s a lot of money in the bank.
We changed that when Rogers spent on Trusty, Idah and Engles.
Idah was brought in to replace Kyogo Fuhruhashi, who wanted away. For whatever reasons. Idah, at £9m, was most productive against a tiring defence when introduced after an hour or so.
As a main striker, he wasn;t up to the job, his confidence suffered, and fortunately Celtic found someone who would take him off our hands and the club could recoup most of the fee.
Trusty, I believe, is still at the club, but we don;t want to remind the manager in case he picks him for the team.
Arne Engels, the club record signing, is most certainly a player. He just hasn’t settled in yet. But not being picked for most if this season so far isn’t going to do his confidence any good, although his attitude is exactly what we need right now from everyone else.
Maybe he has settled a but better, and maybe he’ll be the main man today… Frankly, I can;t see where else the inspiration will come from.
Maybe Nygren, who also likes to get involved, but everyone else looks like they’d rather be anywhere else.
It seems the board, despite watching football most weeks, don’t quite grasp how the recruitment and development side works.
They can see the massive profits that have been made, and as with most businesses, can’t see any reason to change it.
That policy took us to a peak against Bayern Munich last season, and they cannot see any reason why it wouldn;t have worked again this season, especially as they went with the manager and tried something else in between, and let’s be honest, Engels apart, it failed miserably.
Even players such as Oh, who brought in a few quid more than he cost, and others actually prove, to the board at least, that the recruitment model is working, and it’s only failure is when we raise the level of investment.
However, when a manager needs a player for a certain position, and he gets a project instead of a like for like at worst, the actual product, the team, is of a lesser quality.
And the cycle starts again.
Year on year, prices of tickets, merchandise , travel and even tv subscriptions get higher.
But the product loses quality.
Where the board have failed is that they have failed to recognise that. Whilst as supporters we have an emotional investment, they need to realise that we have other emotional investments, and sooner or later, given the present malaise, those priorities will begin to change.
The manager should be the one who chooses the players. and he should have a team of scouts who actually watch the players, so that he knows not only how many passes they make, or what their expected goal return is, or whatever other bullshit is concocted by yet another arm of an industry that seems to have sold it soul for gold, but he knows what sort of mood the player goes into when things aren’t going his way.
A manager should know everything about a player that can affect his performance. Obviously he can’t be everywhere, but scouts can.
Is he a team player ? On and off the pitch, how does he interact with his own teammates ?
The amount of money invested in fees and wages suggest that this kind of forensic examination should be the norm, but what we have at Celtic is a system where the manager decides he needs a forward and someone with a lap top looks at a few stats and videos and suggests a couple of names.
Then they might go and watch them. Then they’ll have a look on one of those computer games and see what heis value is, and make an offer accordingly based entirely on someone elses opinion.
One or two players Celtic made offers for were rejected by the targets clubs. That happens, Our board were accused of making ridiculously low offers, which left them open to accusations of not knowing what the fuck they were on about, but also , and this is incredible, when you think about it, being told to pay whatever they were asked to pay by people who had never bought a player. Or, indeed , been to see the one they were shouting about.
Leave the money side to the board. They’ve proved they can handle that bit.
Give the manager some actual scouts, let them recommend a player, whether we need him or not. Scouting is a full time job, not just a department that kicks in when a postion becomes vacant. there should be someone in place already to take that place when it becomes vacant, and that is done by going to see players who are turning heads.
Not by turning heads towards a laptop to see if there’s a cheap left back available.
And so to the players. They can only do what their manager and captain tell them, but there were signs that one or two of them are starting to rebel. Hopefully, that will be even more visible today.
Playing horseshoe cannot be much fun, and it does seem to have lengthened the injury list of late, although one always wonders just how injured these players are when they are asked to play a system that they obviously aren’t enjoying.
The system isn’t working, it’s been found out, and the players aren’t adapting and changing.
And the fans who have to watch that mind numbingly dull and predictable guff ?
No wonder we’re moaning. No wonder we’re screaming out for a scapegoat.
There isn’t a scapegoat.
Everyone is at fault, and today is when the support should take the initiative.
No one else will, so it’s down to us.
Again.
Not by forming collectives, or waving banners, or throwing fucking tennis balls on the pitch.
None of that shit is going to make any difference, at least until we work out what we actually want, why we actually want it, and what we can offer as a viable alternative.
How about we start by being the mythical twelfth man…? It’ll be needed today, don’t be surprised if the entire team of match officials turn up in suits and brogues…when you see who they are, you’ll know what I mean.
The players need to know that there is one place where they can escape the toxicity of the air around the club these days.
Where they can just get on with what they’re paid to do, and to enjoy it.
Of all places, that place today is Tynecastle.
If you are at the game today, be patient, be supportive, and let them know. And let them know in a way that makes them shake themselves up a bit and play with a little bit of adventure, a little bit of guile and above all every now and again pass the ball forward.
Get things right at the game, and everything else will fall into place.
And at least it’ll be fun for a fucking change.
Always enjoy etims and it’s been a while… sadly not worth the wait. Attacking the Celtic Collective and defending the Board. Let’s just settle for having lots of money in the bank and being better than the Huns
Well said Eddie couldn’t agree more.
“Leave the money side to the board they’ve proved they can handle that bit”
Aye constantly asking the fans to stump up for all sorts of over priced shit!
What about all the seasons they have failed to recruit in time for qualifiers and we get knocked out by far smaller,inferior teams and cost the club 10’s of millions of pounds each time.
We have players the “clubs super recruitment computer” has signed that would struggle to get a game for most teams in Scotland that our manager is meant to make into super stars and if he doesn’t it’s his fault.
We have it seems a 4 or 5 year cycle where we build up the team to start looking as if we’re getting somewhere then your pals on the board rip it apart and bring in a bus load of projects.
We have probably (we will know in the next couple of weeks) round about £100m in the bank and you think it’s all the managers fault we are not playing well when our squad has no depth or strength and our first team is weaker than last season.
What board sells their striker before a last 16 qualifier in the last 16 and doesn’t replace him 9 months on.
What board sells one of our best players who plays on the right wing and replaces him with 2 left wingers.
Who sells the only remaining striker on the last couple of days of the transfer window and gets replaced with a free transfer because they had no one lined up to properly replace him?
That’s right keep the board cause they’re doing a great job and those pesky collective pests are just getting in the way!
If our board were that good we should have had £70-£100m in the bank years ago with all the lost CL money we lost.
SACK THE BOARD!!
This sounds more like a leave the board alone piece as they know financially what they are doing. No they don’t repeated failure to invest even moderately has cost us millions in failed euro qualifications. Criticise all you like last seasons recruitment but it was our best season in Europe in god knows how long. The board can f#ck off but i won’t be making the long journey over from Ireland any more till there is real change.
Spot on mate
Jesur.’.’Mary and Joseph.Ralph.what is happening.supporting that useless board ,whoerer thunk it,anyway COYBIG
Finding it hard to agree with a lot of the diary today. Ralph, blink twice if they have you held captive in the boardroom.
The transfer strategy is poor, we do bring in some good money but we waste tens of millions on rubbish. In that sense look at teams in comparable leagues who have built from a low bar and are now buying for multiples of what we do and selling for €60-100M. It’s about building that and not buying players for £6M 25 years ago and still thinking that’s a big buy now.
Who wrote this MN..
Just been reminded, why I’ve not read this site for a long time
What a load of absolute shite.
I don’t think Ralph will be happy when he finds out that Paul Brennan has infiltrated etims and put his name to one of his articles.
Either that or Ralph is taking the piss and writing it as a parody of Brennan.
Some hard truths in there that are difficult to handle.
100%.
Must’ve missed those, care to elucidate?
From the article:
1
The Europa League probably is our level, with what appears to be a rebuild under way, and even if the board had sanctioned whatever moves the manager had wanted to make in the summer, it would have been unlikely to have made much difference.
2
Starting at the top, much fuss is made about the board not giving the manager the money he needs to strengthen the squad. The board would argue they tried that last summer and look what we ended up with.
3
We have had a working model which identifies players who can be developed and sold at a massive profit. That’s pretty much why there’s a lot of money in the bank. We changed that when Rogers spent on Trusty, Idah and Engles.
4
Idah was brought in to replace Kyogo Fuhruhashi, who wanted away. For whatever reasons. Idah, at £9m, was most productive against a tiring defence when introduced after an hour or so. As a main striker, he wasn;t up to the job, his confidence suffered, and fortunately Celtic found someone who would take him off our hands and the club could recoup most of the fee.
Trusty, I believe, is still at the club, but we don;t want to remind the manager in case he picks him for the team.
5
That policy took us to a peak against Bayern Munich last season, and they cannot see any reason why it wouldn;t have worked again this season, especially as they went with the manager and tried something else in between, and let’s be honest, Engels apart, it failed miserably.
Can’t say I find any of that anything but the inconvenient truth. Others obviously see it very differently.
Thanks for reply.
1 Wrong. With even a modicum of minimum spend rather than an insane focus on selling then we’d most likely have qualified for UCL. This would have added tens of millions to spend in the future when the dysfunctional hierarchy is swept away.
2 Wrong. We sold more than we spent and weakened team and squad.
3. Wrong. We don’t have a working model, we have a scratchcard approach, where we hope for a 1/10 success rate. If your only criteria is to make a profit and not improve the team, then you could argue it’s a success but even that would be a stretch. Over and above the so-called profit there’s the non-attributed cost of the 90% failures, all the money invested in them for no return.
Oh and, as we’re a football club, how about recruiting players to make the team better rather than simply looking to make a quick buck. I’m pretty sure that’s the primary focus of successful clubs rather than our anus over mammary approach.
4. Wrong. Idah was brought in, as we had a giant unfilled hole after GG left years ago. Aye, world class.
BTW Idah cost us about £2m for about a year, in which he scored important goals in league, cups and Europe. How come those that follow the board agenda never mention the far more money actually lost on hopeless players that will never, ever contribute anything.
5. Wrong. The manager and players, with Idah, Trusty and Engels, all playing important roles, along with the new format was what was successful and the 90% failed model contributed little.
Despite our best Euro performance in a decade, we still only played 13 players against Bayern, even though we were out on our feet, The manager called immediately afterwards for better player recruitment, more power and pace etc, which is what he and the team had earned but we know that didn’t happen and who was responsible for it.
As far as I can see, the current board hasn’t invested a penny into the club and neither have they arranged external finance. Primarily, the finance comes from the fans, directly in terms of matchday income, hospitality, merchandising etc. It goes without saying that the rebuild of the stadium had nothing to do with the current lot.
The above enables us to invest in the team to be top dogs domestically and compete in Europe therefore earning extra revenue.
What you need to show is what value add the board input over and above this, do they add millions to commercial deals that we wouldn’t otherwise get but I suspect most people would answer ‘not a penny’.
I defy anyone to identify a single successful club that operate the same was Celtic, which is pretty much weaken from a position of strength and the old trope that their successful because of the profit doesn’t hold water.
The question that has to be asked is how successful we can be and that’s never asked apart from the fans and they never mention the multi-millions lost through mismanagement. Yes, on the footballing side as well but more importantly, the board, as they will hamper all football managers.
Poor Ralph! Nae wonder he’s let the Diary go moribund if this is the reaction to him having an opinion.
It’s so easy to blame the ‘big, bad board’ for all our problems. But who’s to blame for the stultifyingly dull horseshoe football that was BR’s trademark last time (until he was found out and headed for the hills) and is now being inflicted on us again?
Aye, we nearly beat Bayern last year but we also got horsed by Dortmund and only got into the play off round on goal difference having been one of a cluster on 11 points.
‘Aw, but they selt aw wur goal scorers fae under him’. Well, Idah was a benchwarming diddy from Norwich who should never have been here in the first place and Kuhn and Kyogo had mentally checked out long before they were sold. How many goals have they scored between them at their new clubs? I’ll give you a clue, the same amount as the much maligned Johnny Kenny has scored for us.
The board might well be shite but there are too many Brendan fan boys among the support who can’t see him for the empty vessel he is. Elite manager, my arse.
Tried to reply but no joy. Just trying to stir things up a bit, Cha. Although you’ll never convince me that Idah was ever anything but the King of Duds. I don’t rate Rodgers either – only came back to top up his pension before he retires to the Costas to top up his tan. A gaslighting charlatan.
No problem, all about opinions.
I’ve always liked Rodgers from the Invincible start, pretty much using the underperforming players that had been humiliated by a lower league Huns the year before.
Income almost doubled from £50m to £100m, which you think might have shifted the focus from selling to buying quality players but oh, no.
Even when he left, it was after an agreed compo of £10m, which could’ve brought in a quality coach with plenty of time to Euro qualifiers but oh, no.
I suspect that none of us fans know Rodgers motivations, as we don’t mix in that stratosphere, so its down to individual prejudice.
What I see is (was?) a quality manager, who given the tools will be a success, including Euro, as proved last year.
I believe he was promised that but been sabotaged both before and now, despite achieving said success.
He states this plainly, so why recruit him if you’re not giving him the tools for the job?
Ditto.
Owen
1 That is a ramble that simply doesn’t make sense.
Why would we go from being good enough to emerge from the champions league group to only being a Europa league group the following season?
Why the rebuild?
Why not replace the quality we sold with more quality?
Loads of money to do that.
So that is bullshit.
The last sentence is so much bullshit but it isnt worth commenting on.
However, im going to do you a favour Owen, I was in the Merchant City today and the anti board feeling was through the roof and the anger was something else.
So my favour to you is if you venture into the same place then dont insult people with the shite you wrote if you start discussing it as people who spend a lot of money and time on Celtic won’t take kindly to it, and you will do well to walk out of the pub rather than transported in an ambulance.
Charming. And a valuable and erudite contribution to the debate!
Its hardly a debate.
You are making up a pile of crap and its getting torn apart
Owen
On 2, Celtics turnover was close to 150 million, by far the best ever.
All 3 signings played their part, especially in Europe.
Contrast that with the pathetic Mark Lawwell window where we brought in junk.
So again a pile of shite from you.
3 The hard working model you are happy with seen us pathetically lose 7 of the last 9 champs league qualifiers and the last 5, so the only thing that I can deduct from that is that the policy isnt working.
Due to this the club has lost out on a colossal amount of money.
Never having players in on time for the biggest matches of the season.
Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.
4 How pathetic that you are trying to build a case against not giving the manager funds to push Celtic on because of 2 players that in Idah’s case we got most of our money back on and Trusty who has plantir fasciitis and who will be used sparingly till he is fully fit !! Do you realise how utterly ridiculous you sound?
5 Ive read that three times and it still doesn’t make sense.
Change is coming and yourself and the other happy clappers who have more loyalty to old men on a board than to the football team will not prevent that.
Owen
‘..Idah was brought in to replace Kyogo Fuhruhashi..’
You are beginning to sound like Dave King, the above is a lie,
Rodgers wanted 3 centre forwards, 2 establishrd and a third as a back up.
When Kyogo was sold he repeatedly said he wanted another centre forward.
He said he preferred Maeda on the wing but was left with no option to play him through the middle when the board did’t sign another striker.
Try not to lie.
Stick to threatening violence to others for words on a football blog, Chris, it seems to be your forte. I haven’t espoused half the drivel you say. I was simply replying to Cha who asked me what I thought Ralph got right. He didn’t agree with me either but he was grown up about it – you should try it sometime.
Your talking shite, in advising you that if you come out with the shite you are talking or the lie I pointed out then I wouldnt like to be you going with what I seen with peoples reactions in the pub I was in.
You seem very angry and slightly mad – a bit like a certain art historian who haunts the site in various personas. I’ll leave you to choke in your own bile, Gringo.
I dont enjoy reading lies
Audheid
Your recent article about being concerned over how Celtic’s finances would be affected with lower gates and stopping buying merchandise and how fans should think twice about doing this showed you up as someone that has failed to grasp the overall picture of what has to be done in the long term for change to happen.
There is 80 million in the bank and the board recently paid 12 million in corporation tax, yet the summer window was a disgrace.
Enough was enough.
What you said, above, was an absolute insult and showed that you had no grasp of the situation.
“Leave the money side to the board, they’ve proved they can handle that bit” – no they haven’t. They’ve proved they can stockpile cash but not that they can consistently invest that money to make us a better team. The transfer fees paid for Engels, Trusty and Idah were more than covered by the money received for O’Riley. In 2025 we have received £24 million for the sales of Kũhn and Idah, and replaced them with £2 million Nygren and a couple of project strikers who seem a long way off the first team. This is nowhere near a productive use of resources to make us better, and this conservative board of grey men in suits need to be replaced with people who have vision and ambition.
Yeah, pretty much misses every single target it aims at, in fact, the Celtic attack this season has been more efficient and I can’t put it more damning than that.
It’s the Board, stupid and anything else is a distraction.
Even if the manager and players are changed, they will still be hamstrung by the institutional dysfunction of the hierarchy.
Do that then get better manager and players, anything else then we won’t fulfill our potential.
The Collective represents tens of thousands of Celtic fans, has held meeting, appointed people with skills and defined a programme after many deliberations.
I think the majority of Celtic fans understand the nature of solidarity and collective action and, yes, there’s no gain without pain.
Having said that, there’s always been board apologists, despite the overwhelming evidence, from Gerry McSherry back in the day to the Celtic Quisling News toadys today.
We all know the right side of history but whether you’re on it depends on how appealing tea and crumpet with the Lawwell Loyal is.
I thought we did well in the first half weathering the storm of the first few minutes coming back from a goal down but in the second half we were woeful. I understood Rodger’s point about Murray being right footed and balancing Scales. It didn’t work and Trusty and Ralston as more experienced players, with hindsight, would have been a better choice.
As Celtic supporters we don’t quit and move on to Falkirk. The club can’t believe in the Board, the manager is struggling, Celtic supporters stay strong.