Of course, you and I know that unless someone pays tens of millions of pounds to the creditors of Rangers, and rescues them before they are finally liquidated, the Old Firm cannot come back.
However, money talks, in fact, in this case it screams and shouts, and because of that, the rational voices of truth has been drowned out.
As a support, we collectively shake our head and via the internet, we remind those who are in a position to challenge this nonsense, but they don’t want to challenge it.
The Scottish mainstream media and Sky TV are rubbing their hands.
The SFA breathe a collective sigh of relief. They’ve got away with it, and not only that, should the current Ibrox entity collapse due to financial malpractice, the rules have been changed to allow a third entity to take the place of the second one in the top league. There’s no need for any of that voting nonsense next time around.
“rangers ” have slipped seamlessly into the history of Rangers and that means Scottish football has something to sell again.
Although the toxicity of “rangers ” means there’s no sign of a sponsor just yet, but as the tv companies and the media aren’t too concerned about that, and they will continue to give it widespread coverage, there may be hope yet for Neil Doncaster in his search for sponsorship.
Sunday’s game had just enough controversy to allow Sky to hype up the Old Firm again, and with the English Premiership more or less over, the title race in Scotland will gain more attention than it usually would, especially as there is a requirement for four Old Firm games in the contract between Sky and the Scottish football authorities.
Which in itself was a reason to get “rangers ” up there and challenging as quickly as possible, and also putting rules in place to keep one form or another of them in the top league.
It’s sickening, and when you consider that Celtic and the other clubs, have given the nod to this arrangement, it;s enough to make your heart go fuck this.
Peter Lawwell will be rubbing his hands with glee as well.
If we accept that he thinks pursuing Resolution 12 is not in the clubs best interest, and refuses to tell us why, we must look for possible reasons ourselves, and when one starts to do that, the findings can be quite astonishing.
In 2012, Lawwell was quick to point out that Celtic were a stand alone club who did not need Rangers in order to flourish.
Looking back, one wonders of he wasn;t too quick to do that, as it appears he had a rather close working relationship with his opposite number at Rangers, Martin Bain, and they were working towards the same goal…. as a document from 2011 shows their thinking
From: Louise Barrie [mailto:LouiseBarrie@rangers.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Bain
Sent: 02 March 2011 16:39
To: ONeill, Eleanor
Subject: RE: Document
Hi Eleanor, could you possibly send me this document as a Word document to enable Martin to add some paragraphs to it? I can’t currently do this as it is in PDF format.
PA to Chief Executive
Tel: 0141 580 8569
Fax: 0141 580 8520
From: ONeill, Eleanor [mailto:EONeill@celticfc.co.uk]
Sent: 23 February 2011 17:03
To: Martin Bain
Attached document for your attention.
Personal Assistant to Chief Executive
Celtic plc, Celtic Park, GLASGOW, G40 3RE
Direct Tel No: +44 (0)141 551 4246
Direct Fax No: +44 (0)141 554 8845
What would the Old Firm bring to English football?
The rivalry between Scotland’s two biggest football teams, Celtic and Rangers, is world-renowned. Games between these two Glasgow giants regularly attract attendances that outstrip many in the top flight in Europe’s biggest leagues. In fact, so dominant is support for the “Old Firm”, that it is not unheard of for a sell-out attendance at an “Old Firm Derby” to be greater than the total attendance at all the other SPL games that week combined.
Games between the two are global spectacles; considered among the biggest games between two clubs anywhere in the world ranking alongside Spain’s “El Classico”, the Milan derby, Liverpool versus Manchester United and the North London derby.
Two clubs with such ardent and passionate support, and a rivalry of such world renown, would clearly be an asset to whichever league environment they play in. Indeed there has often been debate as to whether Celtic and Rangers should join a different league, in particular England’s FA Premier League.
The presence of the Old Firm in England would bring a range of benefits to the English game.
The commercial value (through media rights and sponsorship) of top leagues is based, in a large part, on the value of the clubs and rivalries within it. The FA Premier League already has within it some true “global giant” clubs and a number of other clubs that would be considered “large” by any estimation. Games between these giants, and between giants and other large clubs, drive the bulk of TV interest and scheduling.
The addition of two more “giant” teams has an exponential impact on the number of games between such “giants” to the general benefit of the quality and quantity of inventory available for TV.
Take, as an assumption, that there are currently four “giant” teams that drive the TV scheduling of FA Premier League games (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea – for arguments sake). These teams provide 12 head-to-head games between them each season.
Add to that mix another two “giant” teams (Celtic and Rangers are each easily able to attract 50-60,000+ fans to top games and provide a global TV interest) and the impact would add a further 18 “giant vs giant” games making a total of 30 such games in a season. More than double the current amount.
A similar effect is felt when considering games between the giants and other “large” or “very large” teams such as Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur, Everton, Aston Villa and Newcastle United. Considering games between the current four “giants” and the next five biggest teams in the FA Premier League; there are 40 such games each season. Adding the two Glasgow giants to the mix would bring an additional 20 games between “giant” and “large” teams per season.
In a media environment craving additional quantity and quality of games, the introduction of Celtic and Rangers into the FA Premier League would have a massive impact on the ability of that league to meet that demand with new, good quality, inventory and to monetise it.
Furthermore, fans of both Celtic and Rangers are well-known to travel and both clubs enjoy large followings in cities across the UK. Visiting crowds in Celtic and Rangers away games would be among the highest of any team in the league and be a welcome revenue boost for many clubs. Not only would average home attendances increase with the addition of Celtic Park and Ibrox but away attendances would also be enhanced.
The two teams also benefit from a global following similar to that enjoyed by only a few teams in England (such as Manchester United and Liverpool). Driven by Scottish and (in the case of Celtic in particular) Irish migration the USA, Canada and Australia especially provide large, wealthy and committed overseas fan bases while even emerging markets such as South East Asia and the Middle East have their fair-share of expats ensuring that the Old Firm are among the best-supported European teams in those countries. This global appeal has been enhanced in some cases by the success of overseas players such as Japan’s Nakamura and South Korea’s Ki. All of this adds-up to greater potential global appeal and greater TV value for the league.
A more nebulous impact of the Old Firm joining the FA Premier League would be the “intrigue” factor. The league has already demonstrated a desire to innovate throughout its history. Facing increased global competition from other leagues (Serie A, La Liga) and other sports (NBA, NFL, MLB) the FA Premier League has introduced branded overseas preseason events to further develop brand exposure and has even considered adding an “International Round” of games to provide a competitive live experience in overseas markets. The League has led the revolution in varied and staggered kick-off times, enabling it to make the most of global markets, and innovation itself has been recognised as an important aspect of future success.
The introduction of the Old Firm would provide a “new angle” and introduce a new level of intrigue. English, Scottish and global fans will be interested to finally see how the two Old Firm teams will compete in England’s top-flight. There will be an initial impetus in media attention, in fans’ interest when Celtic or Rangers visit (whether on TV at home or in-stadium) and the innovation will make headlines, and spark a debate, around the world that will keep the FA Premier League front of mind among the world’s football fans. The impact of this “buzz” on the profile of the league should not be under-estimated.
The addition of Celtic and Rangers to the FA Premier League has the potential to be a major innovation and important value-enhancer for the league. Two giant clubs with global following providing an increase in high-quality inventory not easily achieved in any other way.
What are the prospects for Scottish league football if Celtic and Rangers played in a different league?
Were Celtic and Rangers to play their league football outside of the Scottish league system, many have argued this could prove the “death knell” of the Scottish league, and even Scottish football more generally.
The current financial model underpinning the Scottish Premier League (SPL) is predicated on maximising the revenues that the Old Firm teams can generate and redistributing this revenue among the members of the SPL. However, this model is already facing severe challenges and may be unsustainable. The limited potential of the domestic Scottish market for league football caps the total potential of the league, and that of the Old Firm teams, and fails to equip its leading teams with the financial muscle to compete on the European stage; thereby preventing these teams from effectively representing Scottish football in the international arena.
Yet the existing model has never facilitated increased levels of competition in the SPL either; no sustained challenge has ever been mounted to the hegemony of the Old Firm and the league is left with the competing demands of the two biggest teams needing to dominate revenues sufficiently to compete in Europe, while the other teams in turn seek their own share of revenues in order to attempt to keep pace with the Old Firm. The result is an unhappy compromise where neither group is able to fully achieve its objectives while, at the same time, the relative value (and strength) of the domestic Scottish league continues to wane when compared to its global rivals. The departure of the Old Firm wouldn’t “break” the model – its already facing challenges that could break it.
Acting now, while the value of Celtic and Rangers in a different environment is still high, is an opportunity to arrest this relative slide and to put the rest of Scottish league football on a more sustainable footing from which it can flourish.
In the absence of the dominant Old Firm teams, Scottish league football has a chance. The relative SPL parity that would be achieved by removing these hugely dominant forces would allow a new competitive mantra to take hold. Teams like Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, and others besides, would suddenly have the chance of competing for a title and of being crowned Champions. No more “playing for third” but instead playing for first and a place in the UEFA Champions League.
Competition is the life-blood of sport and increasing true competition is the best way to breathe fresh life into a league structure which is currently wed to a failing business model. Competition would bring increased interest from fans, who would have the incentive of watching their team challenge for titles and of knowing that results count for more than not being relegated.
With a more level playing field there would be genuine intrigue, at home and further afield, as to which teams can emerge as the new champions in a domestic league shorn of the perennially dominant forces. Cities outside of Glasgow would, for the first time in generations in some cases, have the chance of tasting success.
Importantly, the long-term financial model would be more sustainable. Clubs will always demand ever-growing revenues to help them compete of course, but the challenge of competing off the field with the commercially-dominant Glasgow giants will no longer be a prerequisite for mounting a challenge for the League title. In short, the remaining clubs will need less.
Whilst the new league may no longer benefit directly from the value the current Old Firm rivalry generates (through TV for example) the Old Firm will be competing in a much more lucrative environment and mechanisms to off-set some of the lost income ought to be explored as part of the overall settlement that sees the Old Firm play, and generate additional value, elsewhere.
Another important impact on the Scottish game more generally will arise from Celtic and Rangers continued presence in Glasgow. The debate about the Old Firm playing in a different league has often been characterised as a desire to “leave Scotland”. The reality is precisely the opposite.
Far from somehow abandoning the city of Glasgow, and their respective roots in that city and beyond, the two teams will continue to play their league football in Celtic Park and Ibrox, in front of the globally-renowned passionate fans. What will change is the nature of the opposition, the quality of play and the stature of Glaswegian and Scottish football in the global game.
Week-in, week-out, Glasgow will play host to some of the best club football played anywhere in the world. Young fans, and aspiring footballers, will have access to this great spectacle and the impact of this newly-enhanced passion for the game could also be felt across the broader health and well-being of Scottish society. Young talent will not only be inspired by their local team playing among the best but they will also see an outlet for their talent in their home city or country. They can now realise their dreams of playing at the highest level by playing for an undeniably Scottish team in Scotland’s most populous city.
Yet Celtic and Rangers’ ties with Scotland’s other clubs needn’t be totally broken. Calendar permitting, there remains the potential for the Old Firm to continue to play in the Scottish Cup, thereby also breathing new life into that competition when Celtic or Rangers games against Scottish opponents become more of a scarcity.
It should also be remembered that Celtic and Rangers are far and away the best-supported teams in Scotland. Anything that improves the opportunity of those two teams also generally improves the experience of a large section of Scotland’s football fan-base de facto.
By playing in a stronger league, the cap that currently exists on the potential of the Old Firm would be lifted. All the good that can arise from strong, well-supported, well-run, competitive teams with strong roots in the community, will be harnessed in a way not possible in the current domestic set-up.
A new playing environment for Celtic and Rangers would be good for Glasgow and for Scotland. Good for fans and for players. It would also be good for the rest of the SPL. Shorn of the need to compete with the commercially-dominant Old Firm, Scotland’s other teams will finally have the chance to compete for the title and a place in Europe and all on the basis of a more realistic – and more sustainable – financial model.
Of course, that was then, and this is now.
Any plans that the two had to join the English set up were scuppered when Rangers went into liquidation, bit one question immediately pops up…
When this plan was discussed, did Lawwell know about the impending crisis at Ibrox, and was it part of a plan to save them ?
Which begs the question, how far will Lawwell go to ensure that the Old Firm cash cow is preserved ?
Which, in turn, casts doubt on Lawwell’s claim at the AGM that he had not seen the 5 way agreement, a claim that might yet blow up in his face.
Back to the present day, and the media now have the new old firm more or less as equal participants in the 2019/20 title race.
In fairness, “rangers ” are not only still clinging on, but should they win their game in hand, they will go top of the table.
There is a real danger that nine in a row will not happen.
I’m not suggesting that Celtic are deliberately encouraging this title race, but the worrying part is that there seems little urgency to put things right.
There’s a malaise running through the club, a complacency brought about by three years of co,plete dominance, and some point to the tenth succesive trophy which was landed a few weeks ago, although the signs were there that Steven Gerrard and his crew had finally got the measure of Celtic, and so it was seen last sunday when they came into Celtic Park armed with enthusiasm and confidence, and got the result they needed.
We are faced with a team that has enough spirit to make up for the fact that they aren’t very good, a spirit that has landed them a place in knockout European football, so maybe we should stop laughing at them and start taking things seriously.
Celtic need to fond their spirit over the winter break, and come back looking like a team that has won ten consecutive trophies, and not one who thinks eeryone should bow down to them because of that feat.
Meanwhile the PR department at Ibrox showed us yet again why they are streets ahead pf the Parkhead counterparts.
Alfredo Morelos and Ryan Kent both made unacceptable getsures to the Celtic fans on Sunday. If that sort of thing offends you then fair enough.
I couldn’t care less but I am aware that these sort of gestures, Kent pretending to shoot the crowd and Morelos drawing a finger across his throat to imitate having it cut, can cause trouble in the stands and in the streets and pubs after the game, so action must be taken.
But before the SFA could even comment, Level 5 swung into action…
RANGERS is today repeating its call for the introduction of VAR (Video Assistant Referee) following Sunday’s Premiership victory at Parkhead.
Rangers believes Scottish referees need additional help if match officials are to get more of the big decisions correct and the club is convinced VAR would provide that extra assistance.
Rangers Managing Director Stewart Robertson said: “This is not a criticism of referees because they often have to perform under very difficult conditions and in a highly emotive environment, as do our players and coaches.
“The speed at which the modern game is played also means it is extremely difficult to make split-second calls with the degree of certainty required.
“We believe the introduction of VAR would help referees enormously and reduce the number of wrong decisions which sometimes have a dramatic effect on the outcome of matches. In recent weeks, Rangers has suffered from errors of judgement but it is our strong view that VAR would be to the benefit of everyone and in particular the referees themselves.”
In this month (December) alone, Rangers has suffered from three glaring errors in key matches. On December 4 at Pittodrie the referee failed to see Alfredo Morelos had been fouled inside the box and awarded a free kick outside the penalty area. The referee apologised to Steven Gerrard after the match but the damage had been done and Rangers had to settle for a 2-2 draw and the loss of two points.
Then, just four days later at Hampden, Rangers lost the Betfred Cup final when the officials failed to see that not just one, but three players were clearly offside when the only goal of the final was scored.
On Sunday, during the final game before the January break, the referee and his assistants awarded a goal even though the ball had been deflected into Allan McGregor’s net off a hand of an opposing player. That goal should never have stood and would undoubtedly have been overturned had VAR been in use.
A number of other incidents, including the clear foul by Julien on Alfredo Morelos as he attempted to break clear, were also missed. Instead, and inexplicably, a foul was given against Alfredo. There can be little doubt Alfredo is singled out for special attention, on and off the field of play. Indeed, some of the things said and written about him leave a lot to be desired and do nothing to suggest Scottish football is the most welcoming of environments.
Even Alfredo’s gesture as he left the pitch is now being portrayed in some quarters as something sinister when, in fact, it is a gesture used commonly throughout South America to indicate quite simply that something – in this case, the match – is finished.
However, the main point is that VAR, which is now used in many leagues throughout Europe, would help eradicate refereeing mistakes and greatly assist our match officials. At the very least, the SFA/SPFL must now seriously consider the introduction of the system at the earliest opportunity otherwise the Scottish game is in danger of being left behind.
Rangers has already written to SFA chief executive Ian Maxwell asking that the association look at consideration the introduction of VAR and the club is once again urging both governing bodies to give this matter serious consideration and study.
Rangers is aware of the financial argument against VAR but the cost to clubs which suffer from such game-changing decisions and the integrity of our game must also be given priority.
Morelos has let himself down again, and there’s now even more chance that a club with 20/30/40 million pounds to spend may look elsewhere as Morelos simply cannot be trusted to behave.
Level 5, however, are determined to patch up the guys reputation, and show he’s really a nice guy…
Alfredo Morelos shows class as Rangers star returns to Colombia for charity event
The 23-year-old returned to Colombia and immediately took part in an event for his charity foundation.
While he’s over there, he might want to have a look at the papers… one of which doesn’t seem to know that his throat slitting gesture means something is finished…
That won’t bother Level 5, as none of the SMSM have the balls to question Morelos’s behaviour, because if he’s not sold, there is next to no chance that should “rangers ” qualify for Europe next season, they won’t be eligible for a licence..
Scottish football is all about Celtic and “rangers “. The other clubsneed the Old Firm pound, whereas Celtic want it. There is next to no chance of the clubs moving to england as the police would put a block on it.
English police do not want thousands of Scottish fans in their town centres on a weekly basis, and so the ugly sisters must remain, and the cash they generate is needed to keep the league afloat.
Thats what Lawwell will tell you, and thats what everyone else will tell you.
In 2012, there was an opportunity to clean out the SFa and for “rangers ” to start afresh, removing themselves from the mess Murray created and doing things legally and transparently.
But no, we have an even more extreme version of Raners, one which is brazenly ignoring the rules, certainly where finance is cincerned, and actu=ivey protecting and encouraging a support which triumphantly sings about their hatred of all things Irish and all things catholic.
So when they accused the Celtic support of racially abusing Alfredo Morelos one has to shake one;s head in bewilderment.
Here’s an example of how they behave-at the game and at their keyboards…
apparently a journalist has a video that proves that Morelos was abused, but, for whatever reason, is reluctant to show it, which casts doubt on its existence…
Racism is unacceptable, as is accusing someone of it, and refusing to share the evidence….
One last thing, Ryan christie had to have an emergency operation last night on is groin as a result of a “collision ” with Alfredo Morelos.
Our man at the hospital told us this last night, and what he also said is it may rule Christie out for some time…
Yesterday, we had this…
The game on Sunday at all levels was awful for us. We were out fought and our played by an average side, though one that undoubtedly has spirit and is tactically very astute.
Yes we are tired, that is understandable after so many games but that in itself questions what we do. For example, the league cup – could we not have played a younger team throughout?
So where do we go from here? We’re not a bad team, we’ve lost our way (a bit). We can recover but we need to figure a way to strengthen our midfield and striking options.
We berated Ntcham, but he is a good player and adds strength to the team. We’ve lost Sinclair, for whatever reason. He I would argue, would have been a better option than Johnston in the last few games.
Someone mentioned before Johnston needs a loan period, that is obvious. Christie and Macgregor both benefitted from it greatly, Johnston would benefit likewise.
Boli is good at going forward but lost the ball early on versus Tavernier and was pushed back. Taylor would have been a better option in this game. Taylor, definitely needs a run of games.
Frimpong will be a great talent, and I reckon played reasonably well but for some reason on Sunday wouldn’t go forward and attack them. He is a real asset but if we play boli and Frimpong we need to play 3 at the back.
The Celtic Mafia are bunkered down after Sunday and they are not taking or making any calls, “Omerta” rules till the sh!t-storm of Sunday lessens. And there you have it, that says it all, a board that does SFA. for the support, or so it seems. Cash is King, deflect, deny, close your eyes and your ears to the truth, for sporting integrity matters not a jot, money rules.
This is not a new situation for Celtic to be in, because if you know your history in 1891 it was Business verses Charity that was being discussed, the very soul of the club, but being realistic business was always going to win, because you need money to contribute to the charities, so then as now business- money wins.
But although there was similarities then, its the very essence of sporting integrity that matters now, sport-football has always been about the pureness of healthy competition, if you remove that then you are left with greed and corruption, that very essence of sport no longer applies. The soul of Scottish football is at stake, we cannot, must not remove sporting integrity because if we do, all that remains is the hollowness of greed. Res.12 is as necessary now as it was in 2013, perhaps even more so now. # RETURN THE STOLEN TITLES AND TROPHIES.
Caption: Morelos is about to step on an I.E.D.
Scum does what scum is.
Never forget. Bankier, was drinking with Sir David Edward Murray at the time of their time.
The pair still flog shite Whisky.
re the ones that`re cursed.
Fucking idiots at the ground that support.
m not there. So im not.
Boarded Celtic Park in the Parkhead.
Run by a bunch of surrounded sad fucks.
Carn you know,gypped in January, when even you and I could get a game.
Forget the opposition. Do you know your own players preferred foot?
I don`t buy into this that all should kick with both feet.Some do but those with a foot will foot the win.
Short career in life.
Pay up, Turn up, sit down, shut up, oh, and buy some merchandise then fuck off home. As long as the fans continue to do so then there will be no change. Money is the only concern of the board. If the customers stop coming then change will have to happen.
Buy some merchandise but don`t try to weqr it in an executive suite.
Great article, Ralph. I think we need to stop saying that Sevco are not very good, as the last two games would suggest otherwise. I’m hoping for a big January from the board (Ryan Kent type reaction). If we had shown half Sevco’s determination in the transfer market, there wouldn’t be a title race. If we lose the 9 because of a lack of investment, then why should I continue to financially commit. Hopefully it won’t come to that though. Hope you and your family are okay.
Seems like it is time for our second panic of the year. I recall an early panic over Lennon’s appointment and now a mid season panic over one game in which we
As a team and management team were simply outfought. The average team beat the better team this time. We are still in Europe. We have the league cup in hand. We have many games to go in the league including against ‘Rangers’ and class always tells. No time for panic – time for hard work and tactical study.
….and spending? No?
And spending too yes
Masonic mince!you know the tory’s gave the Huns the league the day Lennon was appointed
Don’t be silly
Class always tells right enough, we saw that on Sunday. I think it
s about timet look too calm with the chewing gum birling about in his mouth. My heart sank when I saw the utter terror on their faces and, in Forrest
Celtic fans admitted that they are every bit as good as the so-called better players at Celtic and they certainly have a better manager. That display on Sunday was an utter disgrace, simply because Celtic were
terrified right from the word go. If you
go back to the TV footage in the dressing room even, you will see the confidence in the likes of McGregor and Barisic whilst the wee Celtic McGregor and Forrest are plainly
terrified. Even Forster didn
s case, his body language. He was curled up like a spring.
To put the nerves into action, or inaction, only needed Bolingoli to give away possession with his first touch and the rest, as they say, is now a history that we wont be allowed to forget.
You think those player and their manager are better than Celtic and our manager? I think I disagree completely with you. You think they have class? Get a grip
ve certainly showed they are better at the moment. Class? I was only agreeing with a previous poster who mentioned that word. Thats twice in a matter of days that they ran better (?)
players ragged and it was also a repeat of Rodgers
rodgering only a year ago.
Credit needs to be given where it is due, to act otherwise is looking through
green tinted specs.
As I have already stated, they were
soiling themselves in the tunnel before the game. A bit like Dalias, Delilah
s or whoevers nights in Europe. It isn
t going to be easy to change that mindset in a few months, never mind a few days, after the break no matter who is or isnt signed this month.
I make these comments after having taken your advice and got a grip. It didn`t seem to work though. Maybe an expert like you could explain the procedure.
I firmly believe that in order to solve a problem, you must first diagnose its true cause. Placing blame for the defeat at the weekend on the Board and/or PL is misguided. Sure, they had a part to play and there are problems there as Ralph pointed out, but the blame lies directly with the manager and, perhaps, his coaching team. Any manager can have an off day but there is more to the performance on Sunday than that. We have to go back to the away game against Ross County on December 1 (1-4) until you find a satisfactory performance. Just prior to that we were motoring over Livingston(4-0) and a good Rennes team(3-1). Since then the wheels have been coming off as evidenced by the nervousness in closing out games against Hamilton, St Mirren, Sevco, and Aberdeen. Despite having the best squad in Scotland we have struggled for one goal victories over these teams operating on a fraction of our budget. So over these four games, plus the meaningless loss to Cluj and the last game against Sevco, we have not been performing. This is not an off day performance. I am afraid the evidence suggests the manager’s approach is the problem. Throwing more money at the squad may get better results but it does not fix the limitations of the coaching.
It’s swings and roundabouts, isn’t it?
Before Cluj and after it we were supposedly playing our best football in years/decades.
The way some people were talking it was like Martin O’Neill taking over from John Barnes rather than the Treble Treble years, Invincibility, 69 game unbeaten run etc.
Of course that was just hyperbolic nonsense and any appeals for calm that the big prizes were a long way from being decided fell on deaf ears.
When you’ve got that reaction then it’s inevitable that there’s an equal and contra reaction when it goes badly.
Although it would make sense to keep calm either side of the divide that’s not going to happen and people should be aware of both sides’ hyperbole.
You will agree tho that there is a problem, given a fair run of poor performances?
The “old firm” in England is pure fantasy. I doubt the English League teams would vote for it, would a majority of Scottish teams vote for Newcastle and Sunderland to enter the Scottish League? Even if the teams did vote for it, UEFA could scupper it and ban the clubs involved.
Morelos maybe could have incited crowd trouble but I think the SFA will let him off with it.
Caption: At least it was not a truly offensive gesture, like Blessing himself.
I think you’re missing the point on it. It’s all about the timeline. DD only bought the shares to max out on EPL membership. Ten years later,they were still actively-and jointly-discussing a presentation of their credentials.
The Big Plan was still predicated on it,but it would only ever be both or none. So when the huns started going nipples north only a few months later-two months actually,for the fraudulent licence-well,we are reaping the rewards of decisions made then with Old Firm blinkers on.
Three Ukrainian clubs applied to join the Russian League, the Russian FA approved, as did the teams in League. Those three clubs now play in the Russian League but as a result of this they have been banned from all UEFA competitions.
That document looks like it was thrown together by the rangers tax advice pornstar. There are no figures or projections, just unquantifiable phrases like “giants”, etc and comparisons to Barca/Real. There is no precedent or rules quoted to allow this, just a bit about sparking debate and “buzz”.
I disagree, Mick, that this is a Big Plan, this looks, to me, more like tying ourselves to a sinking ship.
I agree there was never a chance to go to England. Pie in the sky
Haw,Jimmy Bell. Can you look out my razor? There’s mirrors in these dressing rooms and I’ve just seen what yon bawbag barber done to my hair. Twat’s getting it!
It certainly wouldn’t do for Lawwell to deny knowledge of the 5WA agreement if it could be proven that he did indeed know about it. But to refute the allegation at an AGM makes me think that he is actually telling the truth.
After all,a company officer telling a lie to a shareholder at the AGM is a striking off offence. Still,we will never know as we are unlikely to be able to prove it,eh?
If he knew nothing about it, then he must be the only so called Celtic person who knew nothing about it, for it was printed in the press, the very first edition of the 5way and that was a very mild edition, in that it contained stripping the titles and the trophies. I feel sure that there was 6 editions of the 5way, I never read that last edition but the later editions must have contained many more give-aways to Charles Greens Sevco Scotland. He is not that stupid or incompetent, after all, he is the most important person in Scottish football, so we can only conclude that he knew.
Not like you to miss the attempt at sarcasm,mate.
I wouldn’t bet on it. The carefully constructed pretence that Celtic were not involved in the 5 Way and want SFA to investigate events from 2011 that Celtic can claim ignorance of will all unravel over the coming weeks.
Is it a coincidence that the attempt to sell The Old Firm as two strong clubs came at a time when the UEFA licence 2011 was needed to stop one of the “Firm” going under?
Probably, but the timing looks bad in that context.
If the 5 Way arrives as an attachment to an e mail that will take no reply by next day as agreement, then the only way PL could claim not to have seen the contents is not to have opened attachment knowing to do so and not reply was acceptance.
If that was the case he would be guilty of gross irresponsibility.
If he already knew the content so didnt have to open it then he lied to AGM.
If he did open it he lied to AGM.
So what is the more likely?
An e mail with 5 Way attached was sent to SPL Board members that included Eric Riley and direct to PL, not his PA.
Happy New Year E Timmers.
wHAT? HE DID RECEIVE THE 5WAY AGREEMENT, then he lied to the AGM, no ifs no buts, no maybe’s. For that is the only conclusion that one could say, that he lied to the AGM. So what other lies are being covered up? What else has he been involved in? Over the years we have had the possibility that he was telling the truth, now its not possible to conclude that he knew nothing, now he has been caught up telling lies. One could only conclude that this our CEO. could be involved in the “Rangers” reintroduction to Scottish football after they died. How awful is that? conclusive proof that he LIED to Celtic shareholders, he needs to go and a full inquiry into all the shenanigans that have been going on and then to be covered up.
Thank you Auldheid, for all that you have done to expose the liars and the lies going on behind the scenes. Have a happy and a successful New Year in your efforts to clean up Scottish Football.
In my more paranoid moments I wonder if that result wasn’t engineered – an agreement between Celtic and Ibrox to make the league more exciting for the punters. Am I crazy? I hope so. I must say I also found Gerard’s exuberance at the final whistle graceless. Charmless in the extreme – nae class.
Yes you’re crazy
Yer no crazy !they let them win the league three times in a row before they snuffed it
The fans are being fooled, it is a cost cutting exercise by the board. Better a resurgent Rankers than an ever present UCL, everything is smoke and mirrors.
The disco lights, not buying quality in time for the qualifiers, not defending Celtic or their fans, accepting the media and all its carbuncles.
We can moan and groan, but until Desmond and his ilk show commitment the usual dross will arrive and be built up into quality.
The Rankers are a poor team and should have been put in their place, but it is a downward spiral.
El Bufalo signals he is leaving for pastures anew
There wasn’t major investment under Rodgers.
Sales were far more than any buys and that’s before you take account of the vastly improved revenues and profilts (£100m, up from £50m).
You’re probably confused thinking that going from the absolute shambles of the Deila era to the sublime Invincibles took massive investment.
It didn’t, it simply took a top class coach to get good players to fulfill their potential, which they couldn’t do under the diddy.
Lawell nees to get his finger out, an get this management team the playing staff they need. Then on 1st of February resign. Simples
Bang on, the fkn clown is a disgrace, get him & Desmond to fk!
Caption: What’s Colombian, reported by the media to cost £633,000 per kg and is regularly discovered up a mule’s rectum?
Seeing a lot of pictures of Kenny Miller in the media. Fu k he looks like tweety pie
any tim who gives a fook aboot hun gestures wants tae get oot mer imo …..anyway happy new year tae awe yoos crackpots when it comes …………….and stoap fookin worrying it aint gonny happen
Agree. I was near the Huns who were giving plenty of throat slitting gestures but they were laughed at.
However last season Broony got a charge for bringing the game into disrepute for smiling at them.
It’s the double standards that’s the problem but that’s down to our club to challenge that, which they seem totally unwilling to do.
It’s all over the Scottish press, its even on the BBC teletext that Police Scotland are investigating racist chants aimed at Morelos during Sunday’s game against Celtic. The message is out there that Celtic supporters racially abused Morelos. C’mon tae f!ck Peter its time that this nonsense is quashed speak up FFS.
a think the polis need tae investigate it if sumdy said it happened mike and you know yon zombies fur makin shit up
The point is Charlie that an anonymous Hun spokesman makes up a claim to deflect attention from the scumbags Morelos and Kent and all the press report it and broadcast it. We the Celtic support are branded as racist because of it. This needs to be called out quickly and responded to, like asking who made the complaint and what proof they have of it. Instead we get no response from the club, that’s not good enough.
BTW. I hope that you and yours all have a great 2020, awrabest.
jeest because the huns converted tae zombieism disnae change thur inate horrible natures mike he he happy 2020 tae you and yours
I think it was Pinocchio, telling lies again! Happy 2020 mate
Great work Ralph. Thanks.
Both Lenny and Lawwell need to take the offensive in public relations and speak for us and our team against some of the recent Orc shenanigans. Slippy Steve is cornering the market in bullshit and must be challenged.
Like many on this site, I grew up with a 4-4-2 although Celtic had its own many variations. This formation gives the best coverage all over the pitch and usually means a good midfield won’t be over-run. Why not try it?
Nobody would swamp our midfield. Forrest/Elyounassi/Rogic/Griffiths/Johnston to plug in as needed.
Good shout Devoy, I like the 4-4-2 system (or even 4-4-1-1 against strong European teams) a lot. That’s the system most Spanish sides go with. If it comprises the right players, it can be effective, robust, even mobile and intricate. We badly want a new CB though and move Ajer up to compete for a position in the centre of midfield. Taylor should be given a sustained run at LB while a proven new striker is a must. Sadly I don’t think Griff will ever get back to being what he once was and Bayo simply isn’t good enough.
In addition, we’re going to have to start defending corners a lot better with somebody posted at both posts with our big men attacking the ball as it’s flown across. A lot more practise required to make our own corners more effective as well. Need to see more efficient game plans, less predictability in our set-up and play as well. Hopefully the break will revive energy and hunger levels and we can kick off the second half of the season with a bang. A couple of real quality signings is an absolute must though.
Happy Hogmanay to everyone at Etims (bloggers, posters and regular readers) and all the best for TWENTY TWENTY.
Griffiths is further off the pace than when he came back 11 games ago.
Its not happening for him and is a massive distraction for us.
He was back in full training in April/May and had a full preseason, so he’s had plenty of time to get up to speed.
He’s been back this time for about 6 weeks and he’s actually getting less game time now.
Clearly the manager doesn’t trust him to play a more active part so we need to get players in that he does trust and get rid off those whose time has long passed.
He didn’t have a 7 month break, he had 5 and it ended in April ie 8 months ago.
He’s been back from injury for 6 weeks/11 games.
Originally he was getting 10-20mins per game and this is now down to 5-10mins.
Clearly the manager doesn’t rate him as being anywhere near what’s required.
I really hope you’re right about Griff CS as I loved the guy when he was at the top of his game and I feel for him after what he’s been through as well. From what I’m seeing I’ve just got a gut feeling that he’ll struggle to regain both the pace and the killer instinct he once had. Bayo looks very raw and, while he’s shown some potential in flashes, among his woes he appears to be injury prone. Although I’m not writing either of them off completely just yet, I’m sure you’ll agree that it would be brilliant to see some serious cash splashed out on a talented forward (possibly from France or Eastern Europe) during these coming weeks. Happy New Year to you btw.
I replied CS but my post got swiped.
You too. Awra best.
” Griffiths is getting sharper by the week ”
You aren’t tho
Happy New Decade Monti. HH
It should be Lawwell who takes the offensive whilst Lenny concentrates on team matters.
Sadly that doesn’t happen and the manager is left to defend the club while others are posted missing.
What about nimmo Smith Malph?was that not the day all pretence of equality and fairness went down the drain?cheating jocks will never change.only in jockville
I had to stop reading, during The Bastard’s email, as I genuinely felt sick and my blood was boiling. It kinda describes, in gory detail, the thinking behind that bastard Lawwell and his tory, capitalist cronies…words like “monetise”, an accountant’s ‘wet’ dream, et cetera. These fucks have NO PLACE in football, NO PLACE in ‘society’. Fucking fleas and leeches to a man. Football was about the last bastion of the working man until arseholes like Lawwell spotted profit, “monetisation”, and who gi’es a fuck about personal identities formed via families over tens of decades? Fuck them, there’s a few bob to be made (stolen) here. Again I need to stop here, but let me say this….we have the power collectively to fight this…..their money in this was all paid by us fans…..THERE IS A SOLUTION HERE, and we need to unite and use it.
HH. FC not PLC. Get the fukkin’ leeches OUT of football.
To eTims Bhoys who run the site, to eTims the world over and to ALL Tims wherever you may be, I wish you a Happy New Year and our Team a successful (less than the NINE is NOT successful) New Year too.
I mention supporters first as without us there’d be NO TEAM. P(TB)L should ne’er forget what Big Jock saw as central to his thinking. Since PTL’s already been mentioned, I’ll just say that I hope his New Year brings everything I wish for him. “Bells an’ whistles” may be added from like-minded Tims.
Hail! Hail! FC not PLC. Desmond and his skunk OUT!
s because your Mammy dont dance and your Faither don`t Rock-n-Roll.
Lot of the manner of mince attitude in the 4-5 year new contracts at Celtic FC.
A sailor was rubbing his limbs with a woollen cloth; another, whom he recognized as the one who had cried out “Courage!” held a gourd full of rum to his mouth; while the third, an old sailer, at once the pilot and captain, looked on with that egotistical pity men feel for a misfortune that they have escaped yesterday, and which may overtake them to-morrow.
Happy New Year.
Another year , another January searching the bargain bin for players to shore up our lagging team and see them over the line. I am getting sick tired of this ‘ just do enough’ crap that we have to put up with over the last few years.
Mr Lawell if Celtic don’t do the 9 your looking at a half empty stadium for the forseeable future.
Is that the plan , cash in what you can before the doors fall off again ?
heard it all now kents celebration was in reference to hip hop band who changed their due to legal reasons, does that sounds familiar to anyone? I listened to all their tracks i couldn’t find one that had the lyrics “fukin taigs” referenced in it. Checked out the image he said his celebration was inspired by looks fuk all like what he done during his celebration. Next up wee alfredo threatens to cut men, women & children’s throats but apparently he was telling everyone the game was over while it wad still going? Then it changed to he was being racially abused? Next we have christie now going to be banned for 2 games due to his willy grab on wee alfredo the same wee alfredo who was running around last season like a gay pornstar pulling the willy of numerous players & even himself, i don’t recall him being cited for any retro bans can you? It looks like the sfa & the daily ragord are playing soggy biscuit with wee alfredo.
Celtic FC to ask for drug tests. 🙂
Them two,Morales and Kent were sconed for this time of the year.No different from the 22 all there paid for.
Shoot and cut our heids off.
Why are they earning 500+ times more?
A conclusion derived through logic.
One game each for them two.
Peter Adam Smith was one of those who claimed that Rangers players were attacked after the Hibs Cup Final; a claim refuted by Rangers own players.
I suggest, until evidence to the contrary appears, we treat his latest claim with the same scepticism.
You don’t get it, do you?
We were effectively 3 points ahead at this time last year whereas we’re effectively 1 point behind now.
That’s what’s crucial not whether we have more points.
There’s no pile-on on Lenny simply a few home truths and all pretty mild stuff compared to the hyperbole of when we were beating the likes of St Johnstone and Motherwell and it was supposedly the best football we’d played in years.
The Treble Treble years may have been invisible to you but they weren’t to, hopefully, the majority of celtic fans, who revelled in it.
We weren’t level at the end of last year, we were top on our own.
I never understand why Celtic fans would misrepresent that to the Huns advantage.
The 4 years before Rodgers, there was no Huns and also Hearts and Hibs absent at times.
We had 10 times the resources of any of our rivals, yet its only when the Huns come back, with substantially more resources than the others, that you have a problem with lack of competition.
ffs saiz the continuity myth only matters tae deluded zombies and thur irrelivent minions dae yersel a favour and keep aff swallow swallow kid you know it makes sense
A third time to take the plausible reason:
January is Kit scrap month.
cause the keen,its alright.
sevco Lord have mercy FC.
happy new year port how come yoos aussies get tae start celebratin before us he he
Turn,twisted and twined.They
ll never have our Soul.
Glad the wind changed.Bush fires headed to the coast.
If its not the first me and you`ll care twice charlie.
If the battery is slow in the clock,we all get to raise twice.
To you and yours from me next to you and the rest of you cut above.
Seen the Sun Rise. To all absent family and friends,may an Auburn haired spirited beauty cross your threshold.
Burnt pot time.Stovies.
Never their day.
Frimpong was something we watched fresh for a fortnight.
s stupid bassas not letting him be.
Between him and wee Greg Taylor are a few getting their arse felt?
And is the Captain cuddling those that dont like their comfort forever being?
Wee men can jump defensively.O`you know Neil.
Soft at training `cause I sat with pedro.
Are all comments moderated? My comments, unless replies, seem to either vanish completely or appear a day later….after tge train has left the station.
However, more importantly, Happy New Year to all how make this site possible. May 2020 bring you all health,
Build your vocabulary with new words, definitions, and origin stories every day of the week.
Finito,Ralph`s from told an one of.
Cheers Ralph and co. Happy New Year.
Took ne on kile.
Oh rebus. You’re so last year!!!
Happy New Sneeze.
Is it shite to behold?
s a funny word
I got a Circus train for Christmas and Im keeping it.
Same auld place Peter.
That was 2019 a resurgent RankerS , like a reflux returning, anyways we are the force and the force is in us, we shall prevail.
A successful and brilliant 2020 to the best of the best
I saw this somewhere and wish tae fuck ah’d penned it masel’……mibbaes ah did?
“To one and all of you, ‘chosen’ few!
Wishing you “All the Very Best” for the coming year, and decade.
If we don’t do the NINE we cannae dae the TEN
The Bhoys will recover and do the nine, for sure, if Broonie selects the starters, tactics
and subs and the use thereof. (Sorry but NFL has left me gutted.)
If, in my life, I’ve seen a Celtic Manager on the Horizon, it’s got to be Broonie.
More FN earlier comments go into? …where exactly TF do they go? Fukkin’ “purgatory” is it.
Of course, the site will be wasted without me and it’s heading that way for sure. Certain muppets will be enthralled by my demise, but our long-term faithful wont; they realise a loose cannon with brains is essential to bring everyone into the core…..ah fuck this, ah’ve nae idea how tae do diminishing font (into the core typae patter) in ma text tae demonstrate ma thinkin’………
HH. FC not PLC Old eTims not new.
PTL, yours is comin’ shortly.
HH FC not PLC
No Lawyer in London for us.
Though, enough of thy ex-cringed faced about please.
A moe`s a copper.
It has to be the interview wanting twice.
re the once.
Do you think the blue pound would continue to roll in with such numbers , for a rangers mk111 . Ithink that would be a harder sell
Happu new year all. The march to 10 and resolution 12 continue. Hail Hail.
Phew, for a moment there, I thought it was our Pete who didn’t have a PDF Editor and we’d need to pay him more to buy one.
Happy 2020, when we’ll all have perfect vision.
They,happy new year green.
our and all. hang on one,well you do.
Caption…. Naw the referee sent me off to have a shave
A Guid New Year to EVERYONE on E-Tims, Jackie Bird has just left the building (with her shiny top) the Still Game lads are all pished, the whiskey is fininshed along with the Black Bun cake. I wish you ALL a very happy, successful and loving 2020.
A big Celtic Huddle to Desimond and Ralphy, I know that you have had some hard times to go through this year but still you were always there for us doing what you do best. Make us smile and keep us entertained and informed in all things Celtic, life would be diminished if it wasn’t for you both. God Bless You All.
Happy new year everyone.
Happy New Year to all the ETims family & the entire worldwide Celtic support.
To the Irish people around the world, keep shagging to the death & bringing more Irish into the world.
God bless our Holy Roman Catholic Church, our leader lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo Papa Francesco!
To any Huns out there i hope your steak pie is under cooked today & you all have the shits for a week!
God bless the Pope!
Big time Monti no statements about kents “fukin taigs” or wee alfredos cut throat actions. His downsizing of our club was for all to see on Sunday. Lawwell out !!
We don’t have a £12m goalkeeper, he was a loan and, if you think we’re going to pay £12m for him, you’re delusional.
Dembele, Armstrong, Tierney etc £50m.
Edouard, Julian etc £15m?
Yeah, no downsizing whatsoever.
All of the money spent in the Rodgers years was comfortably accounted for by increased revenue and profits.
That is exactly what all good football clubs should do and to bemoan that is pathetic.
In fact, due to substantial reserves (£50m?) we should be spending some of it to progress further.
The likes of Boli for Tierney and Bayo for Dembele just don’t cut it.
When £3m isn’t spent to aquire the now £50m rated McGinn, you know there are serious problems with our dealings.
Happy New Year –
Happy New Year
Happy New Year ETimers everywhere.
You too! You two! U2 😉
Caption: You’re gonna get the pimp hand if you make gestures showing the game is over.
This is being blown out of proportion. What should be investigated is the referee for not knowing the rules.