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Quickdraw has been pondering the way things are right now….

 

A few days ago I decided to write a response in the comments section of the diary, something I don’t often do. Now, I’ll get back to that shortly but firstly a bit of background. I wrote a few articles for eTims a several years back but decided to chuck it as I questioned whether or not I was good enough or that my points were really worth making. However I still enjoy a lot of the articles that appear on eTims and I read the Diary every day. It has become a very important source of news and entertainment for me personally over the last few years.

I moved to Australia five years ago and the time difference is a right bastard when it comes to following and watching Celtic. I have little interest in Australian sports. Rugby, Cricket, Aussie Rules, Kangaroo boxing… doesn’t matter, none of it can match the level of love or passion I have for the beautiful game or to be more specific, Celtic. I watch every game no matter the kick off time and I have lost count of how many nights I have decided that sleep can wait so I can sit up and watch the game. European football in particular is a trial as the late kick off times mean it doesn’t usually start until 4.45am here.

I don’t have the time to be involved in one of the supporters clubs that are here, and with the only game that ever attracted the crowds big enough to make it worthwhile going out at eleven o’clock at night have been gone for a few years now. I rely heavily on Celtic TV (A service that has been a target of my fury and rage over the years, but that story can wait until another day) as well as the internet, either through Twitter or blog posts such as the Diary to keep me informed and connected to what is going on back in the East End of Glasgow.

Which brings me back to my comment the other day. Ralph has been getting a lot of stick lately, some of it fairly, most of it not. The biggest compliment I can give Ralph however is that no matter what the circumstance, he still puts pen to paper and gives us his thoughts. I am the worst for hiding after a dismal result, I just don’t want to know. I’ll turn off my phone and go and do something, anything, else until it’s gone from my mind. Ralph however still puts his thoughts on paper and shares it with the rest of us and that is what makes him worth listening to. He doesn’t shirk away from the online hysteria, he jumps in feet first and tells it how it is. Do not underestimate just how difficult that can be at times.

The internet doesn’t follow the same rules as, well, anything. It’s a free for all really. The comments section is the wild west and the sheriff was shot dead years ago. Everyone has an opinion, and despite what it leads to, it’s what makes the internet so damn appealing. 

I am for the most part what you would call a lurker these days. I generally avoid getting involved with most of the topics that show up regularly on this website. The reason being is that for the most part, nothing anyone says or does really makes a difference. Now, that might make me a cynic (And now possibly a hypocrite for breaking my silence by writing this nonsense) however I have yet to see any evidence towards the contrary. I know that no matter how well I make my point or argue my case that there will be a section, and what seems like a large section at times, of readers that will never change their view or perspective. That realization is enough to make anyone lethargic to the cause. 

The reason why I was compelled to respond to some of the comments that had been showing up of late was out of frustration for reading the same points over and over again without offering any viable alternative solution.

My point, for those who didn’t read my comment, was simple. That we, as Celtic supporters, have never been elitist when it comes to how we support our team. We have historically been a humble and loyal support that above all values everything good about the game. I alluded to my own past experiences as a Celtic supporter and how it compares to what I see today. I was born in the mid-eighties. I don’t remember the centenary year, I was too young, and my first memories of supporting Celtic were that of us at our lowest point, when we were on the brink of oblivion. However, the clearest memory of my childhood when it comes to my love of Celtic was Tommy Burns lifting the Scottish Cup, it was, at least to my memory, the first time I saw my beloved team win a trophy. It was a turning point, at least in my mind, of who Celtic were and what they represented. I have had the good fortune to have grown up whilst Celtic were in the midst of a renaissance. I watched as the new Celtic Park was built, and I watched when we stopped ten in a row. I was there when Larsson joined us and I was there when he left. I watched as we went from nearly being extinct to us reaching a European final. I have seen my team beat AC Milan, Juventus, Manchester United, Barcelona and Liverpool. I have some wonderful memories that will live with me to the end of my days. Celtic are a club like no other, we are not successful because we have the most money, and we have never been that kind of club. It has never been about spending the most money or buying over inflated players. It has always been about being part of a family. Supporting a club that always tries to play open, attacking, free flowing football even when results aren’t going our way. It has been about singing loud and proud and showing that we aren’t the type of club that chases glory at all costs. We win not only because we have the best players but because we have the best fans. Our past record at home in Europe is no coincidence. Sixty thousand passionate and noisy fans inside Celtic Park are just as big a reason as to why Celtic were able to topple some of the richest and most deadly teams in Europe than say Martin O’Neill or Henrik Larsson were.

I am a supporter of Ronny Deila and I am a realist when it comes to the circumstances he is currently working in. The gulf in finances between ourselves and most of Europe is gaping. Celtic have been saying for a while that we just can’t compete within that market, and one quick look at what other teams outside of Scotland are spending will confirm that they are bang on. Celtic cannot compete against clubs down south. When Bournemouth are spending ten million during the January transfer window like its pocket change then how on earth do you imagine that Celtic can attract even the lesser known talents that may be floating around?

Deila was given the job of turning Celtic into a team that can play good football and win trophies whilst on a tight budget. The idea was that Celtic would look to setups similar to that of Ajax. We would invest in youth, we would have a universal system across the board so that we could implement our youth players quicker in the first team setup. We would attempt to buy in young, talented players on the cheap and sell them on at a profit. All of which sounds great but as it turns out, much more difficult to implement. Now perhaps that’s down to the fact that Deila has only been in the job for eighteen months and that completely revamping how a football club is run takes more time than a season and a half, or perhaps it’s down to the fact that without some team playing out of Govan to play against he has simply walked into a lose lose situation. He has been told by the fans and the media that the only way he will be successful is if he wins every domestic trophy.

That for me is the crux of the matter. For some reason, we, as Celtic supporters have forgotten what success looks like. Apparently we have forgotten that winning five league championships on the bounce is rare, or that a treble is even rarer.

I understand everyone’s frustration. Europe was a massive let down this year and our performances have not been anywhere near the standard that the back end of last year had promised, but how on earth is calling for the manager’s head going to change that? In fact, how does it make us any different to the undead hordes over on the other side of the city? They booted out Le Guen because he had the audacity to actually try and run the club the way he thought was best.

The truth is, this has nothing to do with the performances on the park. Strachan was one of the most successful managers we have had in the modern era, counting a treble and two last-16 spots in the Champions League. Yet, there were Celtic fans who just didn’t like him. They wanted him gone. He “isn’t a true Celtic man” was the cry from most of them (If anyone has watched him since he left Celtic then you all know just how wrong that thought process turned out to be).

I want to believe that Celtic is still truly a club for everyone. That we are unparalleled in our hospitality towards others and that we do not let a few bad performances dictate how our club should be run, especially when despite some of those said performances we are still on course for a domestic clean sweep.

Yet all I hear is a support that sounds like it has been spoiled over the years, a support that has begun to grow a superiority complex that is awfully reminiscent of a now deceased team from the other side of Glasgow.

So here is my advice to anyone who thinks that Deila should be sacked. Stop throwing your toys out the pram and man up. Understand that this isn’t the early 2000’s and we do not have anywhere near that kind of money to spend. Understand that Deila, despite his failings is still delivering success and that he actually has a plan in place for the club. Understand that if we did sack Deila that we aren’t going to get Moyes (Although why we would want him is beyond me) or Rogers (He won’t fucking come). Understand we would be back to square one in the same financial circumstance with a team of players who has spent nearly two years trying to learn a new system.

This team has talent, it has potential and the same goes for the manager. What they need now more than anything else is confidence and they are not going to get it from the Scottish Press.

Support the team, support the manager and maybe, just maybe, we can start to remember what supporting Celtic Football club is really all about.

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Devoy45
8 years ago

Quickdraw, excellent summary. Well said.

Brencelt
8 years ago

Good article QuickDraw. Night is darkest just before the dawn.

pedant
8 years ago
Reply to  Brencelt

It’s actually darkest right in between dusk and dawn.

I’ll get my coat…

8 years ago

Brilliant diary and oh so true well said and thanks for a timely reminder Hail Hail

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago

Pragmatic and sensible thought about Celtic’s place in the modern game.

There are those on here who see the club through whimsical eyes, who seem to believe we are giants of the world game entitled to be at the big table in Europe each and every year.

These people need a sharp dose of reality and need to stop playing the blame game. Especially towards club employees like Lawwell and Deila.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Spot on.

TOM
8 years ago

PL still thinks we’re giants of the world game but won’t pay for it

Henk_242
8 years ago

100% agree with you. Think fans really need to look at themselves. I like what our manager is trying to do and back him totally. May take a few years but the plans on bringing on young Scottish talent is sound. Tierney, McGregor, Allan, Armstrong, GMS, Forrest, Henderson (great move to his for season), Christie with some older pros/leaders like brown, Commons and Griffiths is sound judgement. I’d like mcginn from hibs and o’Hallaton from saints as well. Inconsistency will happen as young players but will work. I back Ronny 100%.

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  Henk_242

These people seem to think that Desmond & Lawwell want to see the club get smaller and less potent in the world game. As though downsizing is some evil plan. It’s unhelpful and entirely ridiculous.

Our current circumstances are a product of the ineptitude at the top levels of Scottish football, UEFA’s continual pandering to a select group of super-clubs and a general downturn in fortunes for the smaller top flight clubs in Europe.

I agree with you that Ronny is the right man for the job of reshaping the club. He’s much like a Wanyama or a Van Dijk; an unfinished article that Celtic are looking to develop into a top level manager.

BJF
8 years ago

Good article, not sure Strachan gotcactreble. I have struggled to keep faith in Ronnie because the improvement promised wasn’t apparent against Molde, Kilmarnock Morherwell and, importantly in a few games we won.That said to sack the manager when we are in three completions, with less than half the season to go would be plain silly..Ronnie needs to find a way for his team to make a statement that they can have a proper impact in Europe.See Kozak played for Villa against Palace the other night.

Paolo
8 years ago

What a breath of fresh air, someone with some common sense at last. We cannot compete with the over hyped league and overvalued players in the championship never mind premiership clubs.
What happened to Faithful through and through?

Hail Hail

celticreggae
8 years ago

Hail hail

mike
8 years ago

What a load of absolute pish,

I grew up watching players like Jimmy Johnstone,Bobby Murdoch,Bertie Auld,Kenny Dalgleish,Danny Mcgrain,Davy Hay,later Henrick Larsson,Chris Sutton,Stan Petrov et all and now you based in Australia have the gall to tell me that i should be grateful for what we see now,managed by someone who has limited experience of football and a club,my club that is currently run as a business with not much thought for supporters that deserve a whole lot better.
I will not make any apologies for wanting better for the club i love,or for expressing my opinion when i see fit.

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

Disgusting reply, just because the guy lives in Australia somehow means his opinion is less valid than yours?

His article was well reasoned and articulate whereas you come across like a you’re barely in control of your own keyboard.

The past is over, stop living there.

mike
8 years ago

Only by looking at the past can we learn and guage where we are at present.
Look around the stands,they are starting to empty,look at the next set of accounts and see the results of a failed policy.
I will put $ioo pounds into the foundation account if we have improved our merchandising turnover for this financial year.
That is the reality,what can we do about it.
Make the product better on the pitch,
Sign a player to shift the jersey sales,
stop treating the supporters with contempt,
employ a professional PR company,
consult with the support to explain what your football plan is,i could go on but i wont.

I will express my opinion when i want and if you dont like it then move on by.

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

“Sign a player to shift the jersey sales”

What a load of ill-advised nonsense. You’re suggesting we base our recruitment policy so we sell a load of replica strips? We’re no Real Madrid out there buying “Galacticos”

What plane of reality are you living on? Because it isn’t the same one that Glasgow Celtic currently occupy.

You should stick to reminiscing about “the good old days” round a table in a pub with a load of other myopic duffers. You’ve obviously been listening to the heid-in-the-clouds brigade that makes up a portion of our support.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

You are living in the past Mike most of us have thankfully moved on and are dealing with the modern reality.
The Supporters deserve what is affordable and currently that isn’t all that special.
Yet despite that Deila has still delivered a modicum of success.

Uralius
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

By all means express your opinion, but holding where he lives against him, or using it as an excuse to try and belittle his argument is bang out of order.
Try presenting an actual argument.

Carl Bigginslater
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike,

You’re entitled to your opinion but if all those players you just mentioned were in the modern game they wouldn’t stay 5 seconds with Celtic. Wake up and smell the stale pies. The Celtic you grew up with does not exist any more. The sooner you accept that we can’t compete with any of the top clubs financially and that our league is piss poor the sooner you’ll accept that as far as managers go Ronnie Delia is right at our level. Let him do his thing because we’ll win the league anyway.

bigbananafeet
8 years ago

Well said. It is a long term Project and there have been quite a few hiccups along the way but this is the moment we have to sieze it. If we can get Ronnie’s plan working this year we will be set up for a lot more success in the future. We certainly can’t abandon the plan half way through because of some bad results (eg Paul Le Guen and thank goodness the hun did sack him or they could have been streets ahead if they had survived). Without being pedantic I don’t think Gordon won a treble, at least the conventional treble. Hail, hail.

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  bigbananafeet

Oh I Paul Le Guen whatever happened to him,what huge club does he manage now?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Well said the Author of this piece absolutely spot on I think and very much how I have been viewing things for a good while now.
Success can breed it’s own problems in Football especially this notion a Club has a divine right to win games based on previous exploits.
Many variables are involved in gaining success and Football is a consistently changing environment in which Money now plays a major part.

8 years ago

No mention of the parasites who put this puppet in place.whats the point if the PLC are only interested in making money not building a team to be proud of

Henk_242
8 years ago

Agree with last few comments. The football world we live in is different to 60s and 70s and even more so than the MON era. Money is a huge factor now. Out Best chance of long term success is young a Scottish and irish players. Who know and can appreciate the history but don’t live in it. I’ll back Ronnie. HH

CeciltheLion
8 years ago

Five minutes of my life I’m never gonna get back.

8 years ago

Ok Ralph not the diary mmmm

Admin
8 years ago
Reply to  drewster

It’s now Drew. Yir man used to pen articles for us a while back.

liatroimbhoy
8 years ago

Excellent contribution and one that largely captures my own current views. One line in particular jumped out at me: “Apparently we have forgotten that winning five league championships on the bounce is rare, or that a treble is even rarer.”.

In my view we have been assisted in forgetting this by a hurting MSM; there is an enormous fear (you can hear it in many voices on Clyde) that this new Celtic approach might actually work; it clearly p1sses them off that we have the time and space to explore such a route……….. no Celtic manager in my lifetime (I was born in the 70’s) was ever subject to the type of hysteria Ronnie has been subject to after he draws a game in the SPFL or fails to win a European game (better resourced managers failed as spectacularly in Europe but escaped the “SACK HIM NOW” treatment).

And the reason for this in my humble opinion is the absence of, and the troubled nature of, THEM. Keep the focus on Ronnie and no one will notice the Emperors at Ibrox have no clothes………

That’s not to say Ronnie is above reproach or unsackable, far from it. He may not be the right man to manage the new Celtic project. Europe has been poor – very poor at times; but I do believe he has done enough to merit one more pop and frankly, seeing as the board arent going to get rid of him anytime soon, I’m happy to support him and the players until next August/September at the very least.

Hail Hail

8 years ago

i enjoy complaining about celtic,i think most of us do,but when sevco re-appear it will be game on again and ranks closed.calm down,ye all.

Admin
8 years ago

Good read although I disagree with a large part of it. Aside from MON’s era we’ve never spent big money on buying players and had success playing far better football than we’ve done under Ronny.

Ronny has a budget that is phenomenal compared to his domestic ‘rivals’ and is far bigger than Malmo and Molde’s who both gave us a football lesson.

If it’s not up to the standard supporters expect then they are entitled to view concerns, not sit back and be glad to be Celtic fans…which is the type of supporter the Celtic board adores.

As I say, very well put together article and all views are welcome.

I wrote an article a few weeks back saying Ronny was not up to par so to avoid repeating myself if anyone wants to pen a critical article (or further supportive ones…or the price of cheese in Barra!) feel to drop us a note to etims.contact@gmail.com

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector Bandido

Hector,

You are not the only blogger who has revised his opinion on Ronny,he talks a good fight however the reality is different.Speaking to fans at other clubs there is not the fear factor for Celtic that there once was,despite his budget being more than the whole of the combined SPL clubs.
I want to see Celtic buying more prudently and at the same time buying the best young scottish talent to develop alongside our current youngsters,but the Board have to inform the support instead of leaving us in the dark.

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector Bandido

How much does Ronny have in his Budget Hector?☘☘☘

8 years ago

Good honest post, but if Ronny has the intention of developing young talent wether it be Scottish or foreign and making them into good/ great players then I’m a bit bemused at why the hell he seems to be doing the opposite with a majority of the young players we have, GMS and Armstrong are the 2 most significant examples, playing them out of position and not allowing them to play in their natural position, unfortunately not everyone player has the capability or skill to multi task on a pitch, in a perfect world players would be comfortable playing in many different positions, but we don’t have that type of quality, by all means experiment but if it’s blatantly obvious these players can’t multi task then it doesn’t make them bad players, play to the players strength, that’s what builds confidence in young players, a good run in the team, playing in their natural position, if we need a left midfielder then get one and stop trying to adapt a right midfielder or a central midfielder into one. Yes we do have a good young team, we have some brilliant talented players but I’m still not convinced they and Celtic will flourish under Ronny..HAIL HAIL.. KTF

8 years ago

Cheers Hector it was a slip of the auld key board hh

BoyneBhoy
8 years ago

Well said that man

basqueceltic
8 years ago

I cant believe that the once mighty Celtic has been downsized so much,i would prefer if the other teams had improved,but that’s not the case.What next,downsize the stadium,to meet demand????I don’t expect balon d’or list players but a change in the right direction is needed…communication with and defence of fans,a few quid to spend and a PR body that actually works FOR the club.rant over.

m1kks
8 years ago

Excellent article and I agree 100%. I feel myself getting less excited about Celtic but it’s not the team, but an element of the support that is causing it. I too hide after bad results because the bile that will be directed at the team, and manger is not worth reading or getting angry about anymore. We need to stop doing the scottish medias work for them. And fir feck sake just stop with the pyro’s.

pensionerbhoy
8 years ago

Quickdraw

I have been searching for months to say this and I am glad I did not find the words as I could not have articulated my feelings anywhere near as well as you have. I think some of the expectations of many of our supporters are born in cloud-cuckoo-land. Where did this outrageous notion come from that Celtic were THE team in European, British or even Scottish football? We are THE team in Scotland right now and I have lived through many, many seasons when we were not a team at all in anywhere. 67 was a glitch in normal history of the club not the standard. When was the fantasy created that this current Celtic team is worse than any other in our history? From the mouths of those who have not seen or believed or cannot look without green spectacles? I have seen much, much worse and suffered much greater agonies. However, I have always loved and supported and rose the roof for my club and believed in what it stood for even if those in charge seemed to be getting it all wrong. There is a vast gulf, no, there is no connection whatsoever, between criticism and decimation. Yet, there are those who seem hell bent on carrying out the latter in respect of almost everyone at Parkhead but most especially our manager. I have never experienced such vitriol in all my days towards any Celtic manager from our own support as Ronnie is getting these days and he is far from the worst I have witnessed. There may be other supporters who revel in these destructive outbursts but I always expected better from ours. Finally, where did the idea come from that Celtic were BIG in Europe. We have not been BIG since money dictated success. Many seem to forget the much more level playing field that Stein and others had at the times of their successes. As much as it may hurt, we are no longer even in the park never mind the field. In the course of our history, our great achievements have been extraordinary simply because they have been exceptional. That means they happen very rarely and that is what makes them so great. That stretches from our very inception, through the winning of the exhibition cup by a team that was anything but great, through the Coronation Cup won by a team that could hardly tie their boot laces at times and under a manger that had no input whatsoever due in no short measure to the interference of the chairman, through the Lions who snatched victory with a team of nobodies in their day from the gaping mouths of Europe’s elite at the time and to the astonishment of all and sundry. So, European contenders in the current climate is a pipedream that might come true in some oddball exceptional way. That IS the Celtic way and if you can not hack it, then you do not understand what our club has been all about. It is about hanging in there through thick, thin and even shit, but hanging in. We were once all for each other, especially when things were on the down. Our roars were more often louder in defeat and depression than in victory. Magnanimity meant reservation. We were fans that yelled our support to the trembling rafters of the hay-shed when defeat stared us in the face. Today, it seems any dislike is the signal for defeatism. The Ronnie roar is replaced by the big boot. Where are the hearts that that burst their lungs in the face of failure,

“Hail, hail the Celts are here! What the hell do we care, what the hell do we care?
Hail, hail the Celts are here! what the hell do we care now?
Sure it’s a grand old team to play for; sure it’s a grand old team to see
And if you know the history, it’s enough to make your hearts go, Oh, oh, we don’t care if we win lose or draw; what the hell do we care?
For we only know that there’s gonna be a show and the Glasgow Celtic will be there.”

To me that is what supporting Celtic is all about and I am struggling to see it today. A lot of our fans today want a million dollar product for a pound. Sorry guys, but you are looking in the wrong shop with thin wallet. You need to come to terms with the reality that we shop at Poundstretcher these days and not Harrods. If you want Harrods then you need to go elsewhere.

Great stuff Quickdraw.

H H

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Fucking fabulous post well said PB this is exactly why I get so fucked off with the constant negativity.
We are not a bad side,Deila is not a poor Manager please stop putting both down.
We sit on top of the League without even hitting second gear this Season.
Catch a grip.
HH

pensionerbhoy
8 years ago

Ralph

I know I have had little to say for quite some time but that should not mean binning me 🙂

H H

Hamalito
8 years ago

Splendid article Quickdraw,and bang on the money.

Halpy69
8 years ago

I like yourself moved overseas and as such much of my information comes via the Internet and Celtic TV. My take on it is similar to yours in that an element of the support have a superiority complex, which is fed by the negativity of the SMSM.

If they took time to know their history they would see that Europe beyond Christmas and trebles have been few and far between.

Whilst understanding that mediocrity is not palatable or acceptable, the club must operate in an increasingly difficult market and should be commended for attempting to deal with it in a progressive way that the domestic scene affords us due to the death of RFC.

The attacks on Delia and Johansen (as his highlighted this morning in the diary) are disgusting and bring back memories of the hubris showcased from those on the other side of the city during their 9 in a row era and beyond. It’s something Celtic supporters need to nip in the bud.

basqueceltic
8 years ago
Reply to  Halpy69

I agree with almost all of your post,well said,but I for one pay no attention whatsoever to the smsm,absolutely nada…..I, like you,know exactly what they’re like.

Dan The Man
8 years ago

Could not have put it better myself . Good read and agree with every word!☘☘☘

We want a bill of rights
8 years ago

A sober article and I agree with almost all of it. The only bit I take any issue with is that the teams that have knocked us out of Europe have been operating on an even smaller budget than us (for years) and so comparing us financially to Bournemouth just doesn’t cut it as an excuse for not beating the smaller European teams. In fact, our proximity to Millionaires’ Row surely makes our failure all the worse as it gives us an unfair advantage in attracting young, hungry, talented players looking to put themselves in the shop window for the ‘big league’.

I don’t demand Champions league football every season, I don’t even expect it, but I really, really want it. And it’d be nice if the players and board at least looked as if they did too.

ewanbhoy
8 years ago

Well written and well said.
On the point of attendances, throughout our history it has always gone up and down. From the late 70’s through to the 90’s attendances were well lower than than they are now. Alot of factors come in to play as why the attendance has dropped and it’s not all about the football on the park. Money comes into it also live streams on the internet and plus you can watch the game later on Celtic TV.

Thewildgoose
8 years ago

Well said QuickDraw completely agree with you. I think there is a lot of Celtic fans that don’t give Ronny any credit for domestic sucsess because of the absence of a certain Glasgow team. I’ve heard loads of Tims at work saying how they miss the bigots and are looking forward to their return(how can they return to where they’ve never been). I wonder if there was a team calling itself rangers in the spfl these last couple of years how many fans would be calling for his head now.

Murphyman
8 years ago

Raph,
Just read your article
Thanks for that. The best thing I have read on here all year. Your perspective all the way for Austrailia is spot on.

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