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Celtic Diary Thursday August 28: Where Do We Go From Here ?

The Champions League is over for twelve months. No amount of finger pointing, whinging or constructive criticism is going to change that. All of Maribors players were correctly registered and we just have to endure the delight on our rivals faces when they think of our disappointment and  failure-not once, but twice.

What is important now is how the players, the management and the board deal with the situation they have combined to leave us with.

And it is a combination of the three.

Lets start with the board, who have some rigorous soul searching to do. Their policy of downsizing has made the club financially stable, but they appear to have forgotten that the business end is there to ensure success for the team, and not the other way round.

Peter Lawwell needs to speak openly and honestly to the support. We hear that he is currently choosing between a couple of speeches to give, and is still unsure which way to go with it.

We’ve got hold of one of them. And we would like to think this is the one he would go for.

” As you know, the club is in the best financial condition it has ever been in. We feel that it has been our mistake to attempt to attain success on the field, however, by consistently failing to replace the quality we have allowed to leave. 

We, the directors, are hurting just as much as you are today, and we have decided that we are going to do something about it.  We will release the funds needed to ensure that the recent disastrous European campaign will never be repeated, and to help the manager , who we feel we have let down a little thus far, and make sure that we compete to our full potential in the upcoming Europa League campaign. 

 We feel that if we fail to do that, it would be unfair to ask you to continue to support us with the passion and fervour that you have done for so many, many years. Although we do ask that if we do this, you continue to give your backing, and to be patient with,  to our new manager, Ronny Deila, and his staff, and allow him to create the vision that he has outlined, and the style of football that we know you all would like to see at Celtic Park. 

This is a time for healing, a time to remember what brings us together, and not what drives us apart. We will do what is necessary, and we will strengthen the club with players of a similar quality, or at the very least, potentially similar quality, and then we can begin the long road back to our rightful position at the top table of European football. 

All we ask in return is for your patience and support. ” 

Whether or not he chooses that one, is of course , up to him. He might not, of course, but thats probably because I only just wrote it.

But if I were to offer him advice, thats exactly what I would ask him to do. And then back it up with action.

Secondly, the management.

Theres no doubt Deila has a vision. Theres no doubt that, as we have seen against Dundee Utd, when it clicks, it is very, very good. However, when it doesn’t, conversely , it’s very very bad.

But change takes time. The players, thrown out of their comfort zone, are either largely unable to accept and implement his ideas, or unwilling.

If its the former, it will be a huge test of his management and communication skills. He has to be allowed the time to bully, cajole or encourage them to understand and change their ways, which if stories are to be believed, is required both on and off the field.

More importantly, however, in the transitional period, he must listen to and accept ideas from his senior players. Those who arguably understand the club and their team mates a little better than he does.

Perhaps , with hindsight, he has accepted it was a mistake to leave out Kris Commons for the best part of the Maribor tie. He is our top scorer, he is our most creative player. He wasn’t bought to provide cover for the midfield, he isn’t in the team to run back and help the full backs.

Now, it could be argued that he is too slow for Europe, but again, thats not why he is in the team. He scores goals, and he makes them. The lift the team got at the start of the second half on Tuesday night was glaringly obvious. It was because the others know he will score goals. They know he will create chances, and they feel more confident when he is around. That confidence is not apparent when Jo Inge Berget is in the line up.

There was one image that is still in my mind from Tuesday, which has a disgusted Virgil van Dijk looking down at Berget after he has fell on his arse again. If a picture could sum up the whole scenario in the dressing room right now, it’s that one.

It’s common knowledge that Deila wasn’t the first choice, he wasn’t even in the top five. Larsson, Moyes, Keane , apparently even Dan Petrescu, Stuart Baxter and Ricky Tomlinson were supposed to have been offered the job. But he’s here now, and the least we could do is demand the board get behind him, the players get behind him, and however painful it feels right now, we get behind him.

But what does he do next ?

May I suggest he calls all the players in for a meeting this afternoon, after training ?

Then he simply walks to the door of the room, opens it, and tells the gathered squad that anyone who doesn’t want to play for Celtic should leave and find themselves another club.

It appears that Virgil van Dijk will be out of the room before he finishes the question, he has told Dutch TV that he wants to compete at the highest level, and it seems someone has told him that can be found in  Sunderland, which will disappoint him when he finds out it’s not actually a country where gold rushes straight out of the river into your hands, the women don’t charge for an evening out and Europe is simply a place where they go for their holidays. It is , in fact, a rather  desolate place on the east coast of England where flowers die shortly after you plant them.

According to one report, Kris Commons will be quitting the club as well, in disgust at not being selected to start against Maribor. This is because he was the first to leave the ground on Tuesday. Actually, Commons is the first to go home after every game, but lets not allow the facts to take away from the shock headline.

The reason for this ” leave if you want to ” policy is that the manager needs to get right back to basics, and the most basic requirement of all is that the players want to play for the club.

If they don’t, then they are of no use to anyone.

Then, after what might actually be a mass exit, but might also shake them out of their trance, the players should be told that they got us into this mess, so they should get us out of it. If they cannot, they will be replaced by younger, hungrier reserves, who will be given a run in the team to show what they can do, as opposed to a few minutes here and there.

In January, when it will have become apparent where the team is short, Deila can then go into Lawwells office, with his copy of the above speech, and ask for the funds to be released, and he can then consult with the scouts, he can listen to their advice and opinions , but he alone must make the final decisions.

That way, he will stand or fall by his own hand. And at least he will know -and we will know, that he has given it his best shot.

Thirdly, the players, where do they go from here ?

Well, hopefully, nowhere. But if their heads have been turned, then their eyes  are  not on the task ahead. So let them go if they want to.

But those who remain must accept their share of the blame for the season so far. They must be honest enough to admit where they are going wrong, and ask for help. They must admit their weaknesses, and work on them. But in the meantime, they must be bold enough to ask to play to their strengths. Do what they are good at, whilst improving that which they are not.

Finally, the support.

What do we do now ?

We are the ones who must go to work and endure the mockery. We are the ones who must justify to our wives and families that spending all our money just to be in a foul mood is actually worth it. We are the ones who are niggly with the kids, unattentive to the wives and downright hostile to the dog. It’s a pecking order thing in our house-The wife shouts at the kids, the kids shout at me, I shout at the dog and he bites me.

For us its an emotional investment as well as financial. We have the butterflies before the big games, we have the tears or laughter afterwards. It could be that we don’t want to care, but we do. We can’t help it.

We love Celtic, and right now, as with any other loved one, when someone is hurting it, we are angry.

But , we must continue to support the club. Otherwise the downward spiral will continue.

Except it must no longer be unconditional love. We want something back.

We can accept that financially we cannot compete with other.wealthier sides. So we must not try to. We must sell what we have to prospective players, and not dwell on what we don’t have, or cannot have.

It’s harder to find players who can buy into the club than it is to simply pay them obscene amounts of money. But that doesn’t mean we should not try.

The support should make it clear that the current policy of downsizing is unacceptable. If steps are not made to put it right, then we will have to consider our own position, and attempt to put it right ourselves. But thats for another day.

Lets see what the board, the management and the players can do first.

Who knows ?

One day we might look back and laugh at all this.

Peter Lawwell is not stupid. In fact, he’s a lot sharper than what he’s given credit for.

All he needs to do is show he sees the problems, and is actively doing something about them.

We’ve been through worse, although we all though we’d never have to go through anything as bad as this.

And it’s time to sort it out.

 

 

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Green Lantern
9 years ago

Could be worse. We could be zombies. Brrrrrrr!

Admin
9 years ago

Have we organised a friendly with Man United yet?

Bet you it happens!

Bartfast of Napoli
9 years ago

If we are skint then PL should tell us accordingly. If not then if we have it we should spend it!
I don’t expect PL’s speech, proclamation, sob story to reveal or admit to anything. I do expect however the words “prudent” “robust” and ” we’re spending feck all” to be the main theme!
Also expect a couple of sly digs at TFOD

Jim
9 years ago

When the manager was appointed i felt he was 3rd or 4th choice….seems that may be accurate…..When Henke said he was honouring his current contract i then felt the appointment of Ronny was a stop gap until Henke becomes available in Nov….The signing policy of Loan deals has strengthened my belief that the board wont back a man they know is here to fail….and any true monies will be kept in store to be given to Henke….Ronny in my opinion is merely a fall guy….remember too that Henke wouldnt have to negotiate CL qualifiers next year….we go straight in.

Beau Nidle
9 years ago
Reply to  Jim

Jim, I’m not exactly doubting you here in fact I hope you are right, but where do you get the idea that we go straight in next year without having to qualify? I thought those days were long gone.

Jim
9 years ago
Reply to  Beau Nidle

I’m sure that celtic’s recent exploits in the CL had boosted the co efficient points back up to the level required

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Jim

No Jim,not the case,unfortunately.
We play 3 qualifiers for the next 10 years at least.
Scotland’s coefficient,which determines place is way down
the table for automatic qualification.It’s on eufa web site.

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago

Well written piece( as usual I have to say)..but nothing new.
These aren’t new problems we’re experiencing…they’ve been there for years.
PL’s “fiscal prudence” approach has it’s merits…and I’d rather be financially sound…than not.
However,someone has to carry the can for some of the shocking signings and waste of our money over the last few years…and it isn’t PL.( and… No..I’m not his nephew).
Two years ago I said that,under Lenny, we were going backwards..and so it’s turned out.
I attended every CL game last season…and we were out of our depth…the night in Barcelona being humiliation at it’s worst.
The loss to Morton last season was also unacceptable….
Aberdeeen not so much.
Back to the present…
My take on what I’m watching is…a speeded up version of how we played under Lenny…except we don’t control the ball or we pass it very badly…much quicker than we used to.
Jock Stein once told me “Don’t ask a player to do something he can’t do..and play to a player’s strengths.”
(I was managing an amateur club at the time and met him at a Sport’s dinner and asked his advice.)
None of this seem so be happening..and for that I blame Ronny…It’s his sytem they’re trying to play to..and it ain’t working.
As for the players…We have some decent players..(Virgil is the exception..he’s terrific)and some absolute stinkers.
And why Berget lasted more than 15 mins. the other night is beyond me…He is awful.
So…Is it the Board…?..Well given that they have handed money over, over the last two or three years…I’d say not.
Is it the players…?…Well if they have decided to give less than 100%..then they can feck off…the problem being ‘though…who would take them?
Finally..Is it the manager?
Well it’s been proved countless times over the years that the players make or break the manager( Moyes anyone)and so I have to say that it’s obvious something is wrong…and Ronny is the cause…Nothing personal…
That’s my honest opinion..
Hail hail.

Stevie
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

We’ve needed a target man striker since JVH left. Shocking up front so we are.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Stevie

Spot on and Hoopers not been replaced love him or hate him (some do for choosing Norwich over Celtic I gather)he was a paocher ,a natural finsher.
We aslo let arguably the best young striker to emerge from our youth ranks since Charlie Nicholas fuck off to Belgium for a paltry £1m
http://youtu.be/vRMh7qua4uA
Yes he was a plumb and yes he was hard work but so was MACCA
Just saying…

Raymobhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

The board appoint the Managers and also determine how much we will spend on players so therefore it IS their fault.

Mike Bhoyle
9 years ago
Reply to  Raymobhoy

Two points…
In the week following Lenny’s departure..Lawwell..in two separate interviews..stressed that all signings and outgoings were down to the manager…The manager had the final say…
So it’s up to the manager who comes in and who goes…(Unless you think PL is lying…in which case we’re wasting our time)…and the Manager stands or falls by his decision.
Secondly…How much money do you think we have?..
To get a quality striker…You not only pay a transfer fee of mega-millions…you pay mega-wages..and we don’t have that kind of money…and Ronny has already said he won’t break the wages structure…so there’s your Catch 22 situation.
Finally…what real quality player (in any position) would want to play in Scotland…?
IMO..None.

Matthew McCaffrey
9 years ago

How profound and intelligent, perhaps you should be the CEO at Celts, you could not have put it better.
However, why is it that we can all see this but the clever men on the board cannot. I’m a retired manager of a Company and I see the need for the simple principles of management.
The manager took the job he was offered believing that he could do it with the resources given to him, the basic principle is in this case is motivation. What was and is his motivation and why can’t he therefore motivate the people in his charge. Simple ” I want you to go out there and believe in yourselves and kill the opposition. Don’t tiptap the ball around and be afraid to take on a man and make space for you other teammates to move into.
If you lose the ball high up the pitch you’d better get your arses back and catch the chap who took it off you. If you can’t, then you should not be playing professional football, the basic principle is that you should at least be able to run.
Going back to the manager, it’s all very well having a vision but you must also have the strength of character to make it happen and this requires you to be able to stand up and speak to the support without using the repetitive crap that has been offered so far. It’s very true that if your people are not performing you should look at yourself first before making any decisions about who to blame. Neil Lennon was always eloquent in the way he spoke and his respect for the fans showed through, we’ve lost a good man there. People should have listened. We will regret the day he left.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

hahahaha. clever mean on the board I like it. well done mr optimism

ron manager IS our manager.

Devoy45
9 years ago

Ralph Malph. It is great to read something that someone has written that says what I am too lazy or not able to say. Good writing, son, and let’s wait see what happens. By the way, for all his skill, Van Dijk can piss off away and vanish into the Englandshire hinterland like Larsson didn’t. If Van Dijk is so great, why are we where we are? He must share some blame too.

Lawwell, get Commons signed. If he is happy here, then we are happy. Selling for £8 million is one thing but not paying a proven player a few more thousand a week is stupid. Commons should be at the heart of our offense. FFS give the man what he asks for, he has earned it.

Leave Deila alone for a while.

Men in suits, NEVER take the Celtic support for granted. We are all rebels at heart so don’t treat us like the Labour Party has done for decades. We may surprise you.

Matthew McCaffrey
9 years ago

Just a little addendum, why did so many potential candidates refuse the job, if it’s true that they did.
If it’s true it was probably because of the same reason Neil left.
We’ve got some good youngsters but they need to have an experienced pivotal player or two among them.

charlie
9 years ago

ralph hail hail to you i agree with most of what you say exept the bit about zombies at work or in the boozer all i can say about them is f’ckem roll on sunday coybig

Carl Bigginslater
9 years ago

Raplh,

Absolutely spot on. Can’t find fault with any of that. You didn’t mention we were a ‘massive club’ once. Our house is a little different to yours though.

Kombuchis
9 years ago

From the UEFA Payments and Access List and Transfermarkt.co.uk

2011/12 Season
Transfers out of Islam Feruz, Jos Hooiveld and Shaun Maloney = £2,650,000 received
Transfers in of Victor Wanyama and Mohamed Bangura = £3,100,000 paid
UEFA Europa League fees received during season = £2,001,000
Total = £1,151,000 profit

2012/13 Season
Transfers out of Efrain Juarez, Morten Rasmussen and Ki Sung Yeung = £8,150,000 received
Transfers in of Fraser Forster, Efe Ambrose and Tom Rogic = £3,900,000 paid
UEFA Champions League fees received during season = £22,200,000
Total = £26,450,000 profit

2013/14 season
Transfers out of Victor Wanyama, Gary Hooper, Kelvin Wilson and Joe Ledley = £23,000,000 received
Transfers in of Amido Balde, Virgil Van Dijk, Derk Boerrigter, Teemu Pukki, Nir Biton, Holmbert Fridjonsson, Stefan Johansen and Leigh Griffiths = £11,600,000 paid
UEFA Champions League fees received during season = £15,100,000
Total = £26,500,000 profit

2014/15 season
Transfers out of Fraser Forster, Tony Watt and Denny Johnstone = £11,500,000 received
Transfers in *No fees paid, only transfers in or out where a fee is paid to or by Celtic Football Club are included.
UEFA Champions Leafue fees = *Club not in receipt of fees
Total = £11,500,000 profit

4 year transfer and UEFA Access and Revenue profit since 2011 = £65,600,000

Statistics can prove anything, for Peter Lawwell it’s damning when you look at the state of our team now.

Oh and Ronny Deila is tactically inept and unable to motivate his players. I will say this now, much as I’ll support him, he’s proven in games against Legia Warsaw and Maribor that he is unable to implement and a decent tactical plan or motivate his players. If the Dundee United game is to be used as a barometer of his ability, the Inverness game is to be used to measure his ineptitude.
We’re in the shit with Lawwell, Ronny And John fucking Collins.

Nick
9 years ago
Reply to  Kombuchis

You’r not an accountant are you? Income does not equal profit.

Stevie
9 years ago

Yipee another loan signing to make 4 this summer. Will no doubt be forgotten about within a few weeks and disappear into obscurity. And we signed Tonev on loan who was injured it seems and couldn’t play in the qualifiers, lovely!

I had forgotten about most of this dross that came through the doors in the past 4 years:
Juarez
daryl murphy
Ljungberg
Bangura
Ibrahim from psv
Lassad omg
Rogic
Miku
Rasmussan
Blackman
Kapo
Amido Balde
Pukki
Boerrigtet
Brozek – who?
Moyoluko

Time for a massive clear out of all the dead wood. Pukki and Boerittger are on 4year deals!! You coundn’t give them away.

I was overjoyed when i heard ROnnie talk when he arrived, said all the right things, was right behind him, but he keeps making bizarre selections.

– Mulgrew is best at centre half, terrible in midfield.
– He made a sub in the first leg that caused 3 players in the backline to move position.
– Ambrose should have been punted a year ago keeps making errors.
– Maribor were there for the taking in the first leg but we sat back and time wasted with 10mins to go, wouldnt commit men when we had corners and throw ins late in the game – says it all.

He brought matthews on in the 2nd half then moved him to another position after 10minutes after making another sub.

Boerittger – WHY?

I want Ronnie to succeed and do well but he’s making these bizarre decisions.

Kayal was great in the first leg.. Berget should have been subbed for Commons not kayal.

Sick to the back teeth of constant foreign nobodies joining the club and contributing nothing. If we’re gonna get beat, let’s see young boys given a chance. I would rather see us beat with 11men giving their all than these mercanaries who don’t give a damn.

andy bhoy
9 years ago

Deila= clueless

shane
9 years ago
Reply to  andy bhoy

spot on……………the manager should be the first to be replace, followed by Ambrose

HoudiniBhoy
9 years ago

I just don’t get it.

We buy a player for £900K and sell for £12M surely we should then go out and invest £3-4M on a player and then sell on for £7M, then go out and buy a £5M player then sell for £10M, so on and so forth? Even if we spend £5M on a player and he bombs and we sell on for £2M it’s no different than buying a couple of duffers, like we have!! I understand wages will be the stumbling block however, you start seeing bigger crowds who spend more money then it all starts paying for itself. The £2M market is a mire which is hit and miss at £4M+ you are looking at quality, quality you can sell on once they’ve shown what they can do in the Champions League.

Stevie
9 years ago
Reply to  HoudiniBhoy

Comparing the midfield from 2 years ago to now is night and day.

Ledley
Ki
Wanyama
Kayal on top form
Brown

We could set a team out to keep it tight in the champions league, scrape a draw or a win.

Albert Murphy
9 years ago

Hopefully, Lawwell won’t use the words “our rightful position”.

Celtic125
9 years ago

I don’t believe the club has been downsizing. I think the policy of buying talent and then selling it on is part of a wider policy of allowing us to grow our own.
I don’t trust the Board but there is little about the way they’ve have conducted operations that I disagree with.
The release the funds bit in PL’s faux speech makes me laugh. It was releasing the funds twenty five years ago that got us in this mess. All that pish about if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Fucking lazy thinking that’s what that is. Them are not the only delusionals in this farrago we call a country. To use another well worn cliche; the writings on the wall. In the last five years three of our ‘biggest’ teams have been knocked out of Europe by a team formed in 1960 with a 13k capacity stadium in a town of 115k in a country with a population of 2 million. Maribor had 8 homegrown starters and both subs that took to the field were homegrown as well.
Anyone, and there are many of you including an awful lot of people who should know better, that think getting Sevco back in the mix will make a difference are groundhoggers, plain and simple! All that will do, in a football sense, is bring us four more games of blood and thunder which will completely negate the technical ability we require to compete at CL level. But then that would probably suit the xtra lot that turned up on tuesday night. They couldn’t even kid on they were Celtic fans and instead of replacing the pulse the Green Brigade give us filled the stands with boos. Shameful.

deadhead67
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

not downsizing are you kidding just look at the rubbish that gets a game

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

Celtic125 August 28, 2014 at 11:54 am · Reply →

I don’t believe the club has been downsizing

total tosspot alert

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  fredcdobbs

Cracking argument numbnut.

Danny
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

Replacing high earning players with lower earning players is downsizing. The only thing Celtic hasn’t been downsizing is the CEO’s wages and bonuses.

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Maybe it’s being smart too Danny. How much longer do we have to suffer high paid failure?

deadhead67
9 years ago

The only way forward is to get rid of this diddy delia
Berget is a total waste of space and why he was picked
and commons left out beggars belief,it,s the equivelent
of barca leaving out messi and playing a reserve striker
As for all this were giving him money to bring in players,just like most seasons it,s only a few days left in the totally illegal transfer window,and the striker we have been talking too is now interesting PSV
This is all the boards fault when lennon asked for a transfer budget he told to feck off and he did

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

I would have played Berget up front on tuesday myself he’s not a winger.
Stokes out on the left.
He’s not a finisher not at this level.
By the way McGregor has been more effective in Europe thus far this Season than Commons.

And he works twice as hard.
Hence the reason Commons was dropped.
4 Goals in Europe in 32 Games 3 from open play 1 from the spot.
McGregor has 3 Goals in 6 games from open play.
And will close down,track back and run for 90 minutes.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Whatever Berget is, he aint no footballer. On his first day at training and this is the words used by established players ” he’s shite”. Deiladick needs to be removed before we kiss by-by to the league and as already stated, he’s turned an average team into a pathetic shambles.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

Mulgrew has gone from Utility man 2 years ago to Captain and Midfield Maestro………
A fit Brown Forrest and Kayal you will be luckky to see him again this year I reckon.
Great aatitude,great delivery but way Too slow for Europe in Midfield.
Backup for CB or as part of a 3 man Backline other than that sorry Charlie.

kenthehorse
9 years ago

ok,we punt the management.who comes in?no coach of any standing would touch us at the moment now that our budgetary ,ahem,requirements have been laid bare for all to see.RD and JC are here til the end of the season at least so we may as well back them.CL this season would only have pleased the plc,because I feared for us in the group stages.EL is our level for now im afraid.

Cartvale88
9 years ago

I cannot believe Deadhead, Commons is a good player, a Messiah he is not. We are going down the zombie road of bringing in foreign players, as their names sound sexy, or whatever. Delia’s only sensible point is the training facilities at Lennoxtown. The one player on the park who ran his heart out was McGregor, he was running on empty as he believes. Delia will be lucky to last a year and then where. Lawell has promised many things, he has given us a better football stadium and surrounds with the games (note in the profit and loss no mention of games money Kombuchis). He has a year to turn things around so that Celtic can re enter the Champions League,therefore in the short term he has to spend four million on a striker.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

You could have Messi, Ronaldo and Larssonup front, but with the manager we we’ve had forced on us we’d still be fckn shite.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

McGregor was given the ball on the half way line with no one and I mean fucking no one in front of him and couldnae fucking run with the ball

9 years ago

First of all I can’t blame VVD for wanting to leave, playing along side the pish of Berget, Ambrose and to often izzy is never going to enhance his chance of getting in the national team, let’s face it he’s miles to good for this current CELTIC team, if we could have kept any of the top players from only 2 seasons ago , Wilson, Wanyama, Hooper ect then with CL football we would have kept him 1/2 more seasons. Secondly, there’s very few teams in Britain at the top level that attract players because they WANT to play for the club, money is KING, most players are mercenaries, don’t be kidding their not. Thirdly, the manager, surly even a top vastly experienced manager wouldnt just steam roll straight into a new club who have just romped their league and try reinvent the fkg wheel, we needed change that’s a definite but ease that change in, get to know your players over several months NAW fekin 3 weeks and just play to their strengths until they feel comfortable around you and you round them, finally the support have Been getting dicked for several years by this board and they have used emotional blackmail and our love of the club to justify their buy cheap sell high policy, it’s only ever benefited them, Mcgeady sale being the exception, Times need to change and change quick, and personaly it would be with the manager..HAIL HAIL, KTF

Katanes
9 years ago

I’m not saying that it didn’t hurt listening to the game on Tuesday at work, but I’m not full of the doom and gloom that I read in todays diary. We failed to qualify for the group stages of the top club competition in the World. We failed early in a new managers career with a new style of play….this happens to pretty much every team from time to time. We have no divine right to win any game just because we are Celtic, the performance was poor, no doubt….but this happens …..the priority, as it should always be is the league. People from my era will remember the late 80s and 90s when we rarely even got a sniff at a run at the league never mind a run in Europe …well….that’s what financial mismanagement can bring and that’s a lot different to what we are going thru now. ..We need to strengthen with a striker…..yip, but one that fits RDs style of play is hard to find…..We HAVE to win the league…..Europe is a bonus, lets keep the priorities clear in this transitional year.

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  Katanes

I remember the late 80’s and 90’s too and Tuesday’s result doesn’t even touch the abject misery of those days.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Katanes

Sorry…… I think you are missing the point. Most fans will accept losing, but it is the malaise in front of our eyes that is causing huge concern. I have seen a lot of poor Celtic teams in the past, but this one has gone from average to downright horrendous and the only ones to blame for the ineptitude on the park,are the management team.

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  andy bhoy

Clearly you’ve forgotten the hammerings last season’s “average” team took in the CL. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your temper?

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  andy bhoy

I think you’re forgetting the tankings this “average” team took in last years CL.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

No, but average teams get horsed regularly in the Champions league by better teams, what’s your point ya clown?

San Miguel
9 years ago

Probably the best article you have ver written Ralph. Pity it takes a time like this for it come through !.

I await Peter’s dictat to the plebians tomorrow with intesrest.

ewanbhoy
9 years ago

at last, an article that’s balanced and well written and sense not emotion has been used.
we are entering one of the biggest transitional periods in our history in terms of playing style and structure.
we are all used to fighting spirit, roll your sleeves up and dig in, physical and passionate football.
well this type of football will not take us any further, the best that does is the odd, against all odds, backs against the wall shock victories against the top teams and as great those occasions are, we will never truly compete with these teams.
just look at eastern European teams, they have no money, no big players on big wages yet they play very good football, very technical, well organised and balanced. Scandinavian football is going to same way.
this is the way we are going to go but we have more money and can pay bigger wages which will enable us to compete at the top. now I am not saying we will be as good as the top teams but we will be able to play at that level.
Ronny has a massive job to do and It is going to take time.
we cant just become a good technical team overnight and that was the mistake Ronny made this season so far, but the truth is our squad of players are not good enough right now but that will change in time.
sit tight and give Ronny our backing as I believe by the end of this season the changes will start to take effect and we will be a good technical team ready to compete in the champions league.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Love your optimism, can’t see it.

Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Well said. This was the job Lennon agreed to do from the outset then bottled it. We need to see this through or endlessly see the same results.

Spidey101
9 years ago

Kombukis,
Thanks for digging out figures. Weeminger on CQN suggests (and I have no reason to doubt him) that celtic operate at a £10m loss without European football. So if you subtract £40m 4 seasons x £10m shortfall) from the profit that’s a balance of £25m. Now in that time we’ve paid out on loan fees, agents fees and pay offs to bangura, etc and reduced the debt to near enough nil. So I’m not sure it’s money we have stashed.
That said, as we are at the start of a new cycle, with a new manager, I can see a case for, and think we can afford, a £10-15m spend this year to build a core again, and qualify for next years cl. The. One would hope that future years would see us need a couple of additions each summer, in part to replace those who depart.

paulmcCann
9 years ago

i wonder if the reason that the chief penny pinching lawell is not spending money is that he realises that ronny is not the man for the job but as he appointed him then both should go

charlie
9 years ago

i wonder if peter lawell will have an update on res 12 on his bbc interview on friday that should get any lurking zombies worried ha ha

Matthew McCaffrey
9 years ago

There will always be a requirement for roll up your sleeves players.
Even the best teams have got these types.

Doc
9 years ago

The draw will be the talking point tomorrow so I’ll add my tuppence worth today:

Folk are saying Ronny needs time so the players can adjust to his ‘vision’ and I agree with that but bear in mind that isn’t true for one player. Johansen has played with the ‘vision’ for three seasons then six monthe without, he should be a good barometer of whether the ‘vision’ is better or worse than what we had last season. Johansen played 17 games last season and looked like a gem of a find, hes played 9 games so far this season, that should be enough games to make up our minds. Does Johansen, with 3+ years of the ‘vision’, look a better or worse player?

pipster
9 years ago

Too late for all this
Sack the board.
Dont trust them
Theyve had too many chances already
Theyre ruining the soul of our club and will continue
Only way is out

Celtic125
9 years ago
Celtic125
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

It’s disappointing that so many football people still see things in a pre-historic way. Jim Duffy’s in the paper today saying Celtic should’ve signed Eto’o and Crouch. How many times to do we have to learn the Gravesen lesson until some of you mob get it? Arsenal struggled against Beskitas and they’ve spent a fortune. It’s a thin line at this level. We lost the tie against Maribor because they scored from a lucky bounce and we hit the bar. Dems the breaks!

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

Yeh, again you spout more pish. Besiktas would have destroyed Celtic, your comparison is baffling.

holy sea
9 years ago

Good article,Ralph.
Yes,back to basics that is what’s required.The football dept. needs overhauled.I mean behind the scenes.It is well known
John Park calls the shots,re transfers.Since WGS was our
manager from 2005,the FACTS are,up to this season,we have spent £78M and received £87M in transfer dealings.So a
surplus of 9M does not reflect well,considering the poor quality of the first team squad.
John Park came to Celtic in Jan.2007,and I believe his failings in the transfer market,especially strikers,are at the ROOT of
our problems.IMHO he is living off the Wanyama deal.

Devoy45
9 years ago

Bhoys, this is all good! Thanks. Good craic.

First, our formation.
Let’s stick to a basic 4-4-2, but with lots of movement, on and off the ball.
Player by player.
Gordon: good enough for the league, probably good enough in Europe. However, his past injuries are a concern.
Best right back: Matthews.
Centre halves: Denayer and Van Dijk. Mulgrew to replace Van Dijk. Best left back: Izzy but does he need rested? Plug Mulgrew in for now. Can Fisher play left back?
Best midfield:
Forrest/Brown/Commons/Johansen
Strikers: Stokes and Griffiths, with Commons at the centre.

All of these guys can win the League for us.

Who is good enough for Europe?
Gordon/Matthews/Lustig/Denayer/Van Dijk/Izzy
Forrest/Brown/Commons

Good enough for SPL but not Europe (yet if ever)
Johansen/Stokes/Griffiths

Fire sale: Balde, Pukki, Rogic,Boerrighte and more. Use the money to pay our best players a bit more for their graft. Use it to retain Commons.

Our new Ghanian? No temper tantrums and red cards please? Ronny don’t throw this new guys in right away, let them train first.
Tonev. Don’t know.
The Serb. Don’t know.
We all like our wingers at Celtic but my goodness, not since Jinky (God rest his soul)have we had one who isn’t out injured most of the season. I hope Tonev is good.
Against Maribor only one person could have turned the game around: wee Forrest. Many times I could imagine how he would have turned their fullback inside out.McGregor is quick but Forrest is very quick.
We need to score more set pieces and corners.
We need to do better at free kicks.
Ronny, take these good players and please do make them more fit and better body mass but “gallus” is a good word too.
Who is Gallus? Skoosh, Kayal, Griffiths, Stokes, McGregor. I really liked the Big Jock quote about not asking players to do something they aren’t capable of, but play to their strengths. Bring on the Europa League. There’s some quality there to test ourselves against:
Seville/Tottenham/Legia Warsaw.

Can’t resist:
Racing Stripe Karagandy
Sporting Club Minogue
Little Grasshoppers of Zurich
Bad Boys of Berne
Dynamo Motorola of Kazakh
Red Star Putin
Shitepoke of Donetsk
Smoked Cod of Copenhagen….

C’mon the Hoops.

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

4-4-2
Not sure if serious.

Buckie1967
9 years ago

Why everyone saying commons showed have been on the park from start on Tuesday, we didn’t play him first game & we had a good game & did you see him against Inverness he was shocking & his shot when through on goal was dreadfull don’t even think went out for a by kick was nearly a throw in.
Like commons but he is either out of position or has a drop in form & hasn’t got the speed to play the fast game that the manager wants ? But who knows what manager wants.

Rab Wallace
9 years ago

I did mention a week or so ago that if Maribor got their paperwork right we would be well f**ked & it turns out me & my crystal ball were bang on.
I hate feeling so negative about Celtic I”ve been married for ever, Celtic is my mistress & a mistress should keep a married man happy.

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