Yesterdays AGM at Celtic proved what we’d all suspected for a long time.
The board, enshrined in their own minds as great Celtic men, claimed that the Resolution 12 chaps were happy with the way things were progressing, which came as a surprise to at least one of them in the room, who made his feelings quite clear.
Effectively , the men who run Celtic are happy to let the SFA investigate the SFA, or at best hand it over to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Quite what they are going to hand over is unclear, but suspicions are that it will be similar to the Lord Nimmo Smith inquiry, with the evidence neatly arranged to elicit the desired outcome.
And thats kind of the point.
What is the desired outcome.
For the shareholder and supporter, not just at Celtic, but at other clubs-and even companies – that outcome is the removal of those who have tainted the game to such an extent that sponsors and tv companies want little to do with it.
What we want is an honest game ran by honest people for the benefit of all clubs.
Curiously, the Celtic board, who represent Celtic shareholders, and are legally obliged to act purely in their best interests, have had several years to convince us of this.
Yesterday, after the meeting, Peter Lawwell told them that “the door was always open “…the same Peter Lawwell who wanted a smoking gun. A silver bullet, even, with which to attack those who corrupted our game back when Rangers, part of the Old Firm brand to which Celtic subscribe, went into liquidation.
Yesterday, I got the feeling that perhaps Lawwell wanted that so that he could hide it somewhere, in case the rabble decided to use it and perhaps upset the status quo, the one which more or less guarantees significant income stream into Celtic, and therefore significant bonuses to all at the table…
Yesterday, I began to think that perhaps the club were complicit in all of those dealings back then, because frankly, I can see no other reason, given the evidence presented to them, and the money they were cheated out of by the decision to grant Rangers a licence that they did not qualify for under Tax Payable rules.
Even if they argue that they did not, or could not have known about it back then, they do now.
And to ask the SFA to investigate the SFA is little more than negligence on behalf of shareholders.
Or will we see that the five Way agreement was actually a six way agreement ?
Do Celtic not wish to dig too deep lest they find a few uncomfortable bones of their own ?
There seems to be no other reason for the lack of action.
Therefore, the whole file must be handed over to the City of London police.
The SFA cannot be trusted to deal with it, UEFA and CAS would simply be handed a remit to clear the name of the SFA, lest they, too, become tainted by association.
That leaves the boys at the fraud squad.
But not those in Scotland, they can’t be trusted either.
You know, trust is the issue here.
Celtic fans don’t trust Lawwell, they don’t trust the board and they certainly don’t trust the SFA.
So how can they expect us to fork out year after year on season books, on merchandise and on television subscriptions ?
How can we expect them to provide an honest sport, played on a level playing field ?
We can’t, and with a compliant media backing them up, its little wonder that fans turn to sites such as this for the truth.
Yesterday showed not only that the game in Scotland is fucked, it kind of hinted at who is doing the fucking.
Perhaps we just didn’t want to accept that our club is just as bad as the one over the river when it comes to fleecing fans…and lining their own pockets.
Someone suggested a new name for Lawwell yesterday…Duplicitus Maximus.
It kind of fits.
On the one hand he proclaims to be one of us, whilst with the other he’s covering up anything he doesn’t want us to see.
Or, as we know him to be a bit of a control freak, perhaps certain things are kept from him. Maybe one or two within his own organisation haven;t told him just how serious the Resolution 12 guys are…his “door is always open ” comment suggests there may be something in that.
However, Celtic have had years to investigate .or at least support an independent investigation.
They have failed to do so, and failed to do so in a way that treats supporters and shareholders alike as an inconvenience, an irritant to be brushed away until it pops up again, in the hope that it will go away of its own accord.
Well, as they must no doubt be aware, its not going away.
But it will be going somewhere….
RALPH
Maybe one of the Res 12 guys will inform us just how many times they met with PL in person to discuss the situation. And who Celtic sent instead of PL.
Either way,yesterday was no great surprise,and I have my own suspicions as to why it has been shunted off to the sidings. I suspect they are similar to yours,and to many other Celtic supporters.
No celtic board no matter who is on it will ever push the res 12 agenda. The business of old firm united Ltd is well and truly alive, all and any Celtic boards have, do and will forever pay lip service to to us (the fans) whilst we continue to pay our hard earned cash on a season long basis. Rangers died, sevco arose, celtic new all along about the cheating as we had numerous people on the SFA boards that were complicit. Anyone who thinks this will ever be resolved by sfa or old firm united Ltd, the money machine, is either stupid, naive, blind or all 3.we have been, are being and always will be conned by the directors whoever they will be.
Most meetings were with Company Secretary who is a lawyer and understands the techical and legal aspects.
The Celtic Board will never act in this. It is not in their interests which are definitely not the fans interests. They never have cared, like most Boards. As long as we buy the ST’s, the DVDs p, the strips. They have an easy job and get well paid. This has to go out with Scotland and by fans groups of a couple of clubs.
What we want is an honest game ran by honest people for the benefit of all clubs.
That might work for the Celtic fans but do the Celtic Board give a damn regards honest men as long as they are in clover?
Evidence would suggest not.
Ive been right round the houses with my feelings on this, from anger to apathy to anger again. I said we should never have taken the foot off their dying corpses neck whilst loading the shotgun back then but what did Peter do…fuck all..and cue the same club and LNS and the denial and teasing of the Res12 guys.
Peter Lawwell and Bankier had the cheek to cite the “sectarian” chants supported by a Green Brigade drummer as embarrassing…pair of them are a disgrace when it comes to embarrassing our club. And if anyone here wants to defend them…just ask yourself…would Fergus McCann have acted the same over the recent years..not a chance!
Absolutely raging how Lawwell has managed to orchestrate an AGM where he comes out as a good guy trying his best. Fucker
Desi we’ve never had an honest game and never will, it amazes me that anyone thinks the people who run the business will ever let it happen, they never have before.
1 thing I will say the sectarian and IRA chanting is an embarrassment and paints us like the sevco hoarders that we should be better than
Stevie,
That argument is for a different day and Im fine with all opinions on that argument.
The anger I have is the politic playing of Lawwell and Bankier and whoever “raised” the matter at the AGM..I smell shite as Chewing the Fat used to say. A big issue like Res12 hangs around and gets ignored yet Lawwell chooses to publically have a go at simple “Cheer up Stevie G” singing…
Desi Mond
totally agree ; some ” stooge” stands up and raises some shite re- singing – thereby giving MSM something ( nothing ) to run with , which they of course did . Setup !
As for Res 12 – couldn’t be that Celtic were well aware of the desperate situation at Ibrox back in 2011 ?
Couldn’t be that they shat themselves over the possibility of Rangers going under – and were prepared to do WHATEVER necessary to try to keep them afloat , believing that was in Celtic’s long term best interests ; i.e. forfeit poss 20m in the hope of “saving” 10s and 10s of millions in future “old firm” revenue ?
Now , were all that true , how do we think Celtic would react to/treat Res 12 ?
Yip..pure deflection and attacking your own is pitiful and even worse as you say to give media an easy soundbite to latch on to.
Just scanning Newsnow headlines and it includes Edinburgh Evening News talking about Poor Craig Levein being “sang at in an offensive manner”…after everything Neil Lennon has had to put up with from hearts.
After Budge and Leviens actions recently!
Shame on you Lawwell and Bankier, shame!
Steviebhoy,
PISH
UP THE REBELS!
“Why are they waiting, why are they waiting”.
Complicity of course, the board are not Celtic men, they are not football men, they are not even sportsmen, they are business men and business men’s focus is only on one thing “its all about the money honey”. Nothing else exists, anything that threatens income has to be avoided, subdued, dismissed. The Res.12 dossier has been removed quietly from the board room table and locked away in the strong room.
A dossier, a file that has taken a few good men 5 years of their lives, to explore, investigate, deliberate, a 5 year crusade of their lives at the expense of all other things that they could have done for SFA. I love these bhoy’s I love their passion and dedication to seek truth and justice for sporting integrity on all our behalves. This isn’t finished, I totally agree, send the file to the city of London police, investigate the cheats…. crowd fund them if necessary…
I am all for this getting sorted out but I cant see what its got to do with City of London Fraud Office.
If I may..
What has a London police force got to do with Scotland where a full unique legal system exists?..there is no English connection to this affair so I think that’s a non starter.
Lets say we even call in the Scottish Fraud Office ( masonic connotations et al)
An expensive QC could be hired to put forward the argument that Rangers plc lied regards Tax debt dues in order to apply for a license to play in Europe.
Rangers plc no longer exist so who would be investigated, who would be prosecuted and who would pay any compensation…case likely to be dismissed as dead already.
An expensive QC could be hired to put forward the argument that SFA staff did not do due diligence when approving the license application.
Now – This is a murky area and clear proof would be needed to prove it in court BUT the main question is “is it a crime?”…I doubt being rubbish at your job is technically viewed as a crime. A sackable offence perhaps but not a case for the Police or else we could all be looking over our shoulders.
That in my opinion removes the Criminal aspect of potential proceedings…but…it doesn’t stop there…the question of intent remains to be discussed….Fergus McCann vs Jim Farry wasn’t a criminal affair after all..a civil case could be possible…and wide reaching providing evidence of intent over simple negligence and trusting Rangers is available for presentation.
The people involved are still in administration roles within football…time to pass on that legal instruction…
Desi,
I feel your anger. Your last comment contains the kernel of the way forward if there is one. The practical aspects of future actions must be considered because too many years have been lost already. That is the intent of those that are culpable in this.
Rangers are dead so they cannot be the source of financial penalties. It would have to be the SFA or UEFA. Hence they will not investigate this matter properly.
Can the club raise an action against its own FA without penalty? I doubt it.
Celtic are a traded company on the London SE so it may be possible to involve the City of London police in this.
A civil suit is also possible if funds can be raised but who would raise it?
In either of the last two options the role of the club would be crucial. How likely isit that the Board would cooperate honestly in these initiatives?
Frankly, it does not look good for those that want justice. For individuals it seems that each must decide whether to support the club or not. Not to support the club means that Sevco will close the gap…..so what to do?
I need time to reflect on this. Some form of a practical option would be useful at this stage.
Rebus
The City of London police is a specialist unit, who through its fraud squad know all the the complexities of fraud. It works with either local or National or even International police forces to investigate fraud, it can advise individuals or companies on if a fraud was committed.
It is my belief that when “Rangers” obtained a licence in 2011/12 to play in the C.L. qualifiers. They knowingly committed fraud by altering documents to gain that licence, aided and assisted by the SFA. And by doing so denied Celtic the opportunity to enter the C.L. qualifiers denying Celtic the monies due to them by these qualifiers. If that isn’t fraudulent, I don’t know what is.
What harm will it do to contact the City of London police to ask them for their opinion on this issue? I would have more trust in them than Police Scotland, who as far as I can see do SFA. Do we just sit back and accept this? or do we explore every way that we can to get justice, its the latter for me…
No harm contacting City of London Police but I dont personally think they would be interested given Rangers plc dead and SFA non listed.
Given the various interpretations of “Was tax due?”offered over the years, The only question that can be posed is:
“Was this unintentional negligence or was it clear abjection of duty by the SFA and others?”
if the Requisitioners have clear proof of the latter then a civil case from Celtic sharehoiders could move forward in confidence without needing the Club backing but of course it would be so much better with them onside and indeed leading the charge.
You could bet your bottom dollar Peter will be available for a “We did it!” style interview should the case go to court and Res12 guys win without his help!
Mike.
There are copies of the dossier.
Getting richer helping the Huns cheat ! These parasites wouldn’t be near Celtic if it wasn’t for dosh,even this season they hampered the squad,trying to stop the ten by order of Scottish freemasonry. Where’s lord snooty who thinks the Huns are a great institution when the shit hits.secret society crooks the lot of them .scotland the cheat! Only in jockville
Jockville?…That include Dermot Desmond
Kerrydale St, Etims, CQN, James Forrest, SFM, John James, Phil, and quite possibly many others out there that I’ve missed. Every one of these sites has post after post and whole articles devoted to the cheating that has and still goes on in Scottish football, they write and post about it every day and it has been this way for 3/4/5 years now. How long will it stay the same? forever is my guess because the only people that can change what goes on at the club or get shot of the cabal that runs Scottish football is the fans. All of the above sites are very good at putting out the info but what happens about it? eff all that’s what ! In a year or two from now will they still be writing about it? of course they will because nothing will change unless YOU stop going to games, buying tickets merchandise etc. How else is it going to change? they’re not just suddenly going to put their hands up and say sorry we’ve been cheating you for years but can you forgive us ! If the fans of not just Celtic, but Aberdeen,Hearts, Hibs and the rest can somehow organise themselves into a group that will not only force change but maybe get noticed throughout the country. It will hit the clubs hard, Celtic included but as long as you keep going and putting money in and the club is happy that the ‘customers’ are still turning up then nothing will change. I gave up years ago after one too many cheating episodes. I’ll never go back until it changes and i don’t expect that to be anytime soon. What has the club done about any of the following, Cheating Huns, Cheating SFA, allowing members of the orange order to referee our games, assaults on our players/manager/support, The Dougie Dougie affair, SMSM, Dallas, Ogilvie, Smith…..The list goes on and on. It saddens me to say that no one at Celtic has the balls to deal with any of it or doesn’t want to upset the cart. The media in Scotland don’t want to know as it’s such a closed shop that they don’t or won’t criticise their friends at the clubs or SFA. They also need to have a steady ship, it’s an all too cosy relationship between them all. It needs to start with a clear out of the SFA first, imagine if no one went to Scottish or League cup games, stayed away from SPL games, how would it look to the rest of the country watching on TV that instead of seeing a crowd, large banners placed across the seats with messages about corruption on them. The game is dying here and it’s happening just to protect a minority and keep others in jobs. Only fans can force change, the club or media won’t.
I’ve been saying much of what is now being said regarding Celtic PLC, and Lawwell in particular, for years and it’s wider than Res. 12; so too have a huge number of Celtic supporterss but even more Celtic fans don’t have a fucking clue what’s really going on here. Whether it’s complicity, lying, fraud (and probably ALL of these), the information is there but too many are hanging on to their own little bits.
We need clarity, transparency and a comprehensive outline of what has gone on and where we are now before it gets so fragmented it’ll be like trying to sort out the big bang using only binoculars.
All those who are in the know surely MUST drop ego from this and co-operate and formulate a concise picture in preparation for approaching the City of London police, as they’ve been mentioned as the place to go. I believe if and when the wider Celtic support fully understands the issues then an avalanche will be in the making and any call for, e.g. boycotting et cetera will become a potent force and not just hollow posturing. As I’ve said before, if, when things are clear and ready to proceed, I’ll happily contribute to costs necessary to bring this to a proper conclusion.
I ask any naysayers to just hold back; your negativity is music to the ears of our adversaries here, who are many and wide-ranging.
THIS IS A BATTLE WE MUST AND WILL WIN.
I’d strongly caution Lawwell and his Board to see this TRUTH and to stop trying to hold back the tide here.
Hail! Hail! The Glasgow Celtic and all of our true supporters.
PS, but for a shower of cowardly lying bastards throughout the Scottish Mainstream Media, this would all be history. It shows the necessity of an honest, effective media; unlike James Traynor, a reprehensible creep whose job only entails the creation of lies and myths and a free press who regurgitate the shite he creates. DESPICABLE SCUM TO A MAN.
It really is very disappointing. I think if there is strong evidence of fraud, documented, provable evidence, then it should not be held back any further. No more threats of what may happen or giving Celtic anther month etc – Ask the res 12 guys to send it straight to the appropriate law enforcement agency, which ever one that might be.
I would suggest that at this point in time there is no need for any further financing, whether that be crowd funding or the res 12 guys to dig deep in to their own packets again. Contact should be made with the fraud squad, the situation explained and hopefully they’ll take the lead. If not, then we can look to see what additional financing can do.
Surely the board realsie they are in a potentially very precarious situation here? As well as the res 12 lack of action, you have the same club non-sense, EBTs and the refusal to strip titles, current potentail FFP breaches and all the while it seems like the board wil not act.
While I understand their commercial reasons for wanting a ‘Rangers’ of some form, they fail to realise that when those fucking Hun fucks finally win a major trophy and it’s added to the dead Huns tally that there may well be a lot of Celtic fans who walk away. Ralph, I’ve had this conversation with some of the members of our own club and a few have said that when that day comes that’ll be it for them, no more.
I hate this term but . . .
In trying to protect the blue pound they will lose the green one, then they’ll wish they’d acted.
It’s all a little too late now but if Celtic had came out publicly and slammed the SFA, old Huns, called Sevco a new team etc. then regardless of the punishments imposed and ultimately the ends results being the same, they’d have my backing.
Charlie in theory wot u say is great but I practice whoever comes in will ignore us and carry on as all boards do paying lip service to the fans, if you think otherwise then yor ignoring the history of every football board ever.
Another boot in the balls from Peter lawell and Co.Charlie is right Celtic belongs to the supporters not the bankers or big time high flying Masonic worshippers.Just thought of a name for the new Hotel how about the Hotel Cali-Con-ya because it’s just one big Con fuck the Sfa
Puta
The Board, as the people who have to look after the shareholders best interests, have failed to do that. Celtic and other clubs were cheated out of money and honours by another Club who used an illegal tax avoidance scheme to gain a sporting advantage. The Board whether they like it or not have a duty to shareholders to put this right. That’s their job. They may have done everything else they have to very well AND this topic still needs resolved. It’s this simple without the conspiracy theories and the Trotskyist nonsense.
To be provocative, how have the board failed the shareholders?
I didn’t attend the AGM so can only go by secondhand accounts but board recommendations, re-elections were overwhelming endorsed.
I know there are large corporate shareholders (largely faceless, which is another issue of lack of transparency), who are unlikely to be fans but unless we qualifying this with eg “supporter shareholders”, “small shareholders” then the board are doing exactly what shareholders want.
Also, these big shareholders, who look at us coldly in terms of how much money they can make, do you honestly think they wouldn’t be agitating if there was a hope of earning millions, if not tens of millions?
I’m also sceptical on fan interest/anger etc concerning this issue. Yes, there’s almost universal fury on the Timternet regarding this but this is, at best, a few hundred people.
Assuming 100,000 active fans, who attend games, watch on TV, use the Timternet etc then this represents 1% and, I think, the other 99% just don’t care.
The Cha,
I think plenty care, i just think there is general apathy among football fans, a lot of people seem to like being cheated.
I agree but doubt it’s a critical mass that would be needed to get something done.
I don’t think people like getting cheated, it’s a combination of not being aware of issues and a pessimism that anything can be done about it.
So to be obvious if one team cheats and our team loses out on honours and money there is a requirement for our Board, for any Board, to ensure that the interests of their shareholders are represented. Losing titles and money to illegal tax schemes seems to be in this category. If this is not one of the Bpards roles then I better take that corporate governance class again.
That we lost money is one thing but proving it and more pertinently getting compensation is another.
Rangers 1872-2012. D&P/BDO have spent this so don’t think this is an option.
Rangers 2012. They shed all debts of Oldco so doubt that’s a runner.
SFA. Not sure they’ve got any spare cash and I’m not sure where a liquidated one would leave us.
So, yes the board can take this forward, which will incur a cost and it’s difficult to see any financial benefit.
Yes, we should do this for sporting integrity and morality reasons but that’s a meaningless concept in PLC land.
I’ve seen nothing that demonstrates that the board have fucked off the small shareholders.
As far as I can see, a contribution from the heroic Auldheid was the only resistance to the board’s stance.
BB
Can you explain how it is Trotskyist ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism
There you go Steve – have a good read mate and you’ll see reflected here some of nonsense you might recognize
Refreshing to see the level of support/agreement in the comments. The Board need to wake up to the “Emperor’s clothes” routine – naked and found wanting. They must act or they ARE guilty, at least of conspiracy by default, at worst . . .
Q. Was there a US EBT recipient? Claudio Reyna?
I only ask because the US requires it’s citizens to pay taxes earned overseas. This would possibly give us another avenue.
Here are a list of the most well known countries that do this Australia, Austria, Brazil, China, Colombia, Japan and Mexico.
Also what nations (if any) lost out to “rangers” during those European campaigns and would there be any grounds for those countries’ police force or courts to pursue this on behalf of those clubs?
I know I am fudging the lines between Res-12 and the EBT scheme, but any inquiry out-with Scotland should be welcome
Uralius,
You are on to something here with your suggested approach. Somehow external agencies have to be involved, as with HMRC.
That is the only hope, in my view.
How that comes about, I have not got a clue.
Do we know that Reyna did not pay his taxes?
Rebus
I have no idea, but generally speaking if you come from a nation with a higher tax rate you get left alone, but seeing as he didn’t actually pay taxes in the UK….
Business Fraud…any idea who this example refers to:
http://www.scotland.police.uk/keep-safe/246633/246663/
It sounds like the team we play against this weekend…
The fans need to hire a legal team who can act independently without prejudice, until justice is finally obtained. We could crowdfund the monies? Probably, this legal team would live furth of Scotland. As a lifelong Celtic fan (6 decades) I will continue to support the club on the park, for all trophies. However, why can we no hire a good legal team to do this important work for us? Celtic Football Club should be doing this legal work. How we miss the late Paul McBride. I appreciate all of you who are doing so much to keep this fight alive.
All this at the same time Dave King seems to continually make Rangers international ( and subsequently the fans via Club1872) pay for all and any court case he personally gets dragged into.
Flip sides of the same coin indeed.
” furth “? Wtf?
Trust a London cop….whoo hoo.
Flinker,
Reg Hollis, Sun hill
It breaks my heart to think of that wee fella and his colleagues working his/their balls of and do not forget the diarist all of whom have worked tirelessly over the last 5 years for all our benefit, working on the cause of football sporting integrity, Res.12.
Are we to turn our back on those who spent so much time and energy on this issue? No chance, we have backed them all so far and our backing must continue, this isn’t about such mundane things like money, this is about cleaning up the sport we love, if we have to dip into our pockets (except Charlie who dips into ours) then so be it, this has to be followed up to the end.
This isn’t going away…prepare for updates accordingly including a podcast release next Wednesday all going well getting contacts together.
Awenawnoanitherpodcastinawe. 😉
Hopefully Ralph’s dogs are locked up, as I fear they’ll be in for a damn good kicking when he’s in full flow!
I heard they were running amok in Stoke, yeh ken the place, the Barcelona of the North, oh aye by gum lahd.
fetch me ma slippers like…
Baffies
Aye it does,that’s the man that said the Huns were a great institution
Which makes me even more confused on the Jockville slur to be honest
It’s turned into wanton martyrdom. Basically you can only do what you can do and then you realise you’re up against a machine. The machine has no fucking soul , it’s purpose is raking in money.
The Celtic board will do nothing about res 12, they don’t want to know!
was talking to wife last nite and we both agreed that nobody gives a monkey’s fuck anymore in all aspects of daily life …From the justice system to finding some cunt in B&Q to help you out…Nobody takes ownership of problems anymore,either the buck gets passed or it’s threw in a drawer and forgotten about . I gave up putting a single coin into the Scottish game 3yrs ago no match tkts no merchandise no tv subscription and I don’t even touch Scottish football on my Coupon and that’s the way it will stay till it’s been turned inside out and new leader ship in place that gives fans a lot more transparency in the running of the game …Until then all your doing is paying top dollar for something akin to American Wrestling…It’s hard to do but it’s the only thing we can do if change is to be realised and we claim OUR game back that’s been swiped from under our feet due to blind love & loyalty…
Also the aptly name Bankier comes up with the diversive sectarian abuse against the perennial sectarian abusers to downplay res 12. They knew it was coming and when the question was asked it was answered by the usual rhetoric
The only course of action is to go above their heads and appeal to those outwith Scotland with a message of bringing the game into disrepute. The board’ has purposely put the sectarian singing as the most salient aspect of the meeting. How did we let a group of gutless bastards run our club? We are being shafted by bastards.
City of London Police
http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/Pages/default.aspx
Go to Business Fraud
they are responsible for investigating Business fraud on a UK wide Level.
They can also investigate on a Global level for Fraud involving UK Companies or individuals.
When i heard the AGM got off to a hearty beginning, my heart sank, it wasn’t going to be a difficult AGM for them was it?
What exactly does Ian Bankier do by the way?
X-BOX?
The problem here is clarity.
There is no clarity on why the case is going to CAS. What is going to CAS, when its going to CAS and when it will be dealt with by CAS.
That is why everything should go to UEFA from Celtic with clarity.
However if the CAS route had clarity, the clarity sought in June by Res12 lawyers then if for example we knew there would be a conclusion by ST renewal time, although 5 months away, then Celtic’s support for the CAS route would be acceptable.
However that route is shrouded from view which is the cause of unhappiness because it might produce another “surprising” result like LNS.
As matters stand Celtic risk being “surprised” again and it really is in their best interests not to be by a gerrymandered investigation that can be demonstrated to have been gerrymandered by an organisation no one trusts, bar Celtic as matters stand.
Auldheid,
Could you clarify what clarity is in terms of providing the clarity to those who are not clear on the clarity of this unclear situation.
Clarification is required 🙂
I’ve run out of Windowlene
Aah Windowlene,
Remember my mother tut tutting when i wrote IRA on the window 🙂
Auldheid ,
I’m intrigued that you still seem to believe that Celtic were “wronged” in this License shenanigans .
I bow to your far greater knowledge of this subject , therefore the intrigue ; ARE you satisfied that Celtic WAS an innocent party in this ?
The reason why I genuinely ask the question is that , as I say , you have a greater insight into all this than most of us looking in from the outside .
For me , looking from a distance , it seems quite straight forward and plausible that ( as I posted above ) the club may have been well aware of Rangers desperate financial situation at the time , and may have therefore willingly gone with the “fix” as the lesser of two evils :
Forfeit the CL place , giving Rangers their only chance of survival – rather than possibly facing the future with NO Rangers and the financial uncertainty ( Calamity ) that would bring to Celtic ,in their eyes.
I mean , if so , as angering as that would be you could at least see their logic behind such an action .
As things are , no one can find the logic behind their current action/inaction ; perhaps it’s all a lot more straight forward than they’d like to admit or we’d like to believe .
All that said , you may be in possession of facts which refute my suspicions .
It can be demonstrated that technically, (ie on the rules which are the basis on which the licence was granted and retained that a licence should not have been granted because the “proof” no tax payable existed was at odds with the truth.
This misrepresentation avoided the application of the rule that would have deemed the payable overdue.
Further, before UEFA were provided with the names of clubs granted a licence in UEFA competition in late May 2011, correspondence during May from HMRC that would have alerted SFA of a significant change from the proof offered should have been provided to the SFA.
If it was then SFA are at fault* for not asking questions to explain the change but it is more likely RFC kept the letters from SFA so as not to alert them of the “porkie” that was the proof (in a report from Grant Thornton dated 30 March 2011)that allowed the licence to be granted.
* If the 20th May letter had been provided (and SFA’s position on this is ambiguous) then there is a direct link to the LNS Commission in respect that it was all about the wee tax case in which RFC were accused of negligent or fraudulent behaviour.
I doubt very much if this technical interpretation was discussed with Celtic who then turned a blind eye.
Celtic can show that later in 2011 they started asking questions about the granting but were told by SFA it was correct under the rules as in the liability was potential and under discussion so not a payable or otherwise at 31st March 2011.(It was a payable and it was overdue)
Thanks for that Auldheid ,
so we’ve got Celtic asking questions later in 2011 (after CL qualifiers are over ? ) ; they’re then fobbed of by SFA .
Through time you guys uncover the REAL story regarding the licence , in effect answering some or all of the questions Celtic “asked” SFA previously . (Couldn’t be they ,Celtic , were “asking ” these questions [after the event?] in order to cover themselves in the event of any future investigation e.g. your investigation ).
Yet with these answers and proof of them , provided by yourselves , Celtic are clearly reluctant to follow up .If they had no intent to do anything then why ask the questions in the first place ?
Maybe I’m just too cynical Auldheid but until proven otherwise , I would discount nothing in this whole saga ; yet as a Celt I look and hope every day for something to materialise , irrefutably exonerating our Club of all and any Machiavellian activity in this affair .
Finally , a huge thanks to you and your partners for continuing to fight the GOOD FIGHT .
Jimboh
The very dab.
Outdoor dining in the shade. Is Why.
Before…
BB,
Yip, refreshed my mind on poor Leon. Wikipedia not the best though. Not really studied him since Politics and Goverment ‘A’ level in ‘77. You’ve got to like his support for a Social Revolution in the advanced capitalist countries through working class mass action and his criticism of the leadership post 1924 Soviet Union. Maybe he had a vision of today’s board and their treatment of the workers. Hero Lenin knew he was right. That’s why « he got an ice pick » as Hugh Cornwall sang. Guessing not many Trotskyists in the Barca owners/ fans.
Pick a cliff
Cliff Burton
Or well…
Don`t let them do it again please.
If I have read it right,There is no need for London Police or any other organisation to get involved. Peter sends over an email to uefa to investigate game over.
The Celtic board back the concerned shareholders and take it to uefa as they should have done when the new information was brought to light.
It’s our board the pressure should be on.
But our board are gutless fucks and would rather hand over our own supporters to the police rather than do whats right.
At the end of Ronnies tenure I believe under 20k had submitted their renewals for season tickets.
The fans were very vocal about res12 and Peter was up against it. Step forward Dermot and brings in Brendan, the feel good factor is back and the summer of discontent is swept away.
The support for res12 is not what it should be.
Celtic fans are acting like the Klan waiting on something happening instead of making it happen.
A boycott of the semi final and finals at hampden should be the first organised point of action.
I’ve said it before an empty hampden would get the media attention not just here but over Europe.
But as soon as tickets become available they are sold out. I can’t blame the supporters but if you want change it doesn’t come easy.
Maybe there just isn’t enough of our supporters who actually do care about res12 and as long as we beat the huns and get 10 in a row everything is ok. Sadly without our own club firing the gun it will be game over.
HH to Auldheid and his fellow res12 comrades.
PLC`s
It`s it.
So who`se vocal?
Why do you think it is,it`s is?
Fine.
Empty their 11.
Well, there`s an one hand shake every time they open their gob.
Agree!
Port
Are you on the port ?
You`ve a poem then SteveNaive.
AGM is to beforehand prepare? SOLD.
I canny chew a carrot, SteveNaive.
Is the spine to get given away?
Too many too good.
Eff me. Too many poofter right footers.
Games a bogie between the posts.
Fullbacks around the box let them in.
He`ll belt a jaw.
It`s humble.
Sorry SteveNaive.Nothing under Malt all Day.
The better half organised an early Christmas with the 3 khids before they all spread out around the World.
I`ve no change out of the night to even afford Filip.
It`s Green black Friday. 33.3% off.
Maybe it`s a misapprehension? Dermot`s dropped his wallet and Benkovic`s been handed it?
No harm in wishin`
Celtic watching in one minute…
Do you agree?
Thanks a lot,not worth the risk as all agree,down by all.
Ah reet guid reed in todays diary, Airing and Sharing equals Caring. Well done yous…
Shut yer silly pus you ya fanny 😉
You shut yours ya dick. 😉
Fans without scarves,
I’d like to apologise for being a bit harsh the other day, this stuff is frustrating as fuck & i don’t feel very fucking festive about it all.
I shouldn’t have been as cold as that though, anyone who can see & wants to do something about the SFA is a friend indeed.
Good luck to you & all motivated to do something!
Hail Hail!
Charlie Saiz,
I tell you what, if anyone on the Celtic board has been guilty of helping the huns in their hour of need, they should be removed from Celtic immediately.
I firmly believe our club will do fuck all & that is outrageous!
The board are on record stating they wanted new rangers in the premier league but with a points deduction. One of the last clubs to also publicly state a no vote in regards to re admission. I think it’s clear what they want. Old firm at all times. Board played a blinder in appointing Rodgers. With one swift movement of a pen the worries of the board evaporated. The mess the club was in after that fuckwit Deila could of and should of finished them. Res12 was being spoke about every day and then they hired Brendan. 2 ucl campaigns, invincible season and double treble later the issue is only again starting to piss people off. Buying 10k season books is the only way to get through to them. Ain’t happening whilst the manager is here and we close in on 10.
Bgbhoy,
Spot on m8
Fuckin embarrassing wis that, an attack on “Fans without scarves” from Mr. Blobby, mind you when the eyes cloud ower you ken there’s fuck all going on behind them….
Sshhhhhhh big nose…..
I would like to apologise for being a bit harsh the other day, obviously I was far too pished to make any kinda sense…
FFS I know tomorrow is Black Friday but didn’t realise this was Confession/Apology Thursday!
The Cha,
If i went to confession it would be morning before i came out again 🙂
Worryingly, no alcohol was consumed.
Hamilton 1-0.
Son of a bitch,shit.
7
Believe in a draw at thy New Parks and Recreation, Douglas.
Umm.
No singing in the Chapel.
Ban the bang.
Orchestrated.
I see no evidence that wee Jamsie is shrinking, even with the number of games he’s played, goals he’s scored. I just see thighs of muscle, thunderous thighs. Like that advert on channel four, when number four runs down the road but canny bend his knees. Either he’s got a big stiffy, or is it, his thighs are to big fur his heed.
I see no evidence your nose is shrinking….
Your thighs are defo to big fur yer heed…
That’s more like it. 🙂
As Mr ‘Arry would say “Who has the best insults, Monti or Mike? There’s only one way to find out…FIGHT!!!”
The Cha,
Wouldn’t be much o a fight, he’s about 107, i’d just take his tartan blanket aff him & his bag of Werthers.
test
with the Celtic board again failing to do anything meaningful regards Res 12 after another AGM .I am left to conclude that they are complicit in what went on in 2011/12 ,I see no other viable reason for such inaction .
Just imagine for a moment ,if ragers 1872 approached the SFA and told them without CL income that season they would go bust and cease to exist ,would it be too much of a stretch of imagination to think that info would be passed to the other spl club chairmen and a decision made in the interest of Scottish football.(where have I heard that phrase before).
If so ,then the way DK is running the fiasco that is the new club there could well be another wee revenue stream needed to save the life of another club in the near future ,could the new club need CL revenue to survive ,just as the old club did back in 2011/12 well the only way to get a chance of CL income is by winning the league ,just as it was back then .
will it be GROUNDHOG DAY soon ALL IN THE INTERESTS OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL of course
FERGUSSLAYEDTHEBLUES
I don’t think they needed to inform other chairmen. Firstly it was common knowledge that Rangers were f…d in every direction and sideways,and secondly they only needed to tell the referees.
Honest mistakes,eh?
Throughout all this Sevco Circus, the loss of two great men Paul McConville & Q.C.Paul McBride is keenly felt.
Imagine these two men at our disposal in these times?
RIP men.
It`s sad Monti.
We`re no getting listened to.
The happy medium sevco hors d’oeuvres is served to all.
SFA, sevco discretion
“red,white and burst.”
Development for Scottish Football. Alan McRae`s goin`as cabin baggage.
Monti: furth in British. (fʌrθ ) adverb. Scottish. out; outside; to the outside.
Seriously, we need legal help from outside the cesspit of Scotland, who are less likely to be threatened by the Orcs. Remember Lord Nimmo Smith? Most folk don’t like their families threatened and dog turds through the letter box.
Devoy,
Agreed & that’s one of the reasons they are allowed to carry on the continuation myth.
Well Mr. Blobby, Bob, Blobby Blog, oh yes but I cannot agree to that, can you please come up with another solution?
Blob Bob Blobby Blog on ra Bog… Guid yin.
Cannae agree to what, Gonzo?