The Supreme court delivered its verdict yesterday.
They cheated.
Year after year, they cheated.
When they could cheat no longer, they were placed in liquidation.
And the powers that be tried to keep them alive.
They tried to keep the basket of assets functioning as though nothing had happened.
Now that we all know, what can we do ?
The SFA issued two statements yesterday, which was unusual. And probably doubled their workload for the year.
But they were in response to a statement from Celtic, which as good a warning warning shot as you will see,
WE note today’s decision by the Supreme Court. Celtic’s position on this issue has been consistent – that this has always been a matter for the courts of law and also the Scottish football authorities, whose rules are intended to uphold sporting integrity.
In 2013, we expressed surprise – shared by many observers and supporters of the game – over the findings of the SPL Commission that no competitive or sporting advantage had resulted. Today’s decision only re-affirms that view.
We are sure now that the footballing authorities in Scotland will wish to review this matter. Celtic awaits the outcome of their review.
That didn’t go down well with the SFA..
Who first of all responded with a limp statement about considering the verdict, followed it up with this…
The Board of the Scottish FA notes the judgment of the Supreme Court and wishes to clarify the implications of this final legal decision from a football regulatory perspective.
In light of the Inner House of the Court of Session decision, the Board of the Scottish FA sought external senior counsel opinion to ensure a robust and independent consideration of all implications of today’s judgment.
The Board received written advice from Senior Counsel, amplified when the QC attended a full meeting of the Board to discuss his conclusions.
Specifically, Senior Counsel was asked to anticipate whether a determination in favour of HMRC, as announced today, could imply that there had been a breach of the Scottish FA’s Disciplinary Rules as they applied at the time of the EBT payments.
The clear opinion of Senior Counsel is that there is a very limited chance of the Scottish FA succeeding in relation to any complaint regarding this matter and that, even if successful, any sanctions available to a Judicial Panel would also be limited in their scope.
Accordingly, having had time to consider the opinion from Senior Counsel, and having examined the judgment of the UK Supreme Court, the Board has determined that no further disciplinary action should be taken by the Scottish FA at this time.
Of course they won’t take any action.
That would mean that whoever they took action against would be able to say..
“Hang on, you said it would be alright ”
Alright ?
Is it alright ?
One club, bankrolled by a dodgy bank-in Iceland that alone got you the jail- paid out somewhere in the region of £48 million to around 60 employees and ignored the tax.
The tax that pays for the very roads they drove to work on, the hospitals that delivered their kids and the police that keep them safe.
There’s talk now of stripping titles..
We should start with his..
Murray was behind the cheating. Make no mistake about that.
Then he flogged his club to the lowest bidder in order to be able to buy his metal business back. That came out in court.
How the fuck is this guy not sitting in a cell right now awaiting trial ?
Why are the media not on his doorstep demanding an explanation ?
Ah wait, we know..
They can’t ask him anything whilst performing fellatio on him.
Thats kind of the problem.
Right now, Sandy Bryson, Andrew Dickson and Campbell Ogilvie are still making a good living form the game, a good living from your money.
As I type, Dave King, Paul Murray and that other fucking bastard whose name escapes me are milking Rangers fans for all they can.
Under the watchful and approving eye of the authorities.
Yeah, we used to be rivals, and its a marvellous stream of comic material, but they are football fans just like you and me. When they aren’t trashing European cities that is.
Why is no one asking what happened to the £70 million or so that was raised in the first share offering-something that they cannot do again because the “city ” has now blackballed them ?
All under the watchful and approving eye of the authorities…
Yeah, the SFA. And the SPFL.
You and I are paying good money to watch football,
Either at the game, or through the television channels, or at the bookies.
Or when we buy the kids a top.
Or perhaps its even just buying a paper to see whats happening.
Not that that will enlighten you, but some still think it will.
Celtic have yet to respond to the SFA statement.
Peter Lawwell will not want to be remembered as the guy who did nothing.
I’m one hundred per cent certain of that.
Get you cameras ready.
The football authorities are going down.
Its just a question of when.
Though it will be this summer.
Imagine if no one turned up to the football on opening day…
As an alternative to nobody turning up to watch Scottish football at the start of the new season, perhaps fans of every other club boycott games against sevco, particularly when the games are at ibrox. Starve the feckers of cash! Use that boycott as a warning message to the beaks at Hampden that action – proper action – must be taken against Pariah FC by way of stripping the tainted trinkets and baubles. Once Laurel and Hardy have completed their piss-poor attempt at governance, then can then take themselves to that little village that lies to the south-south east of Trondheim airport in Norway (Hell). Once they both get there, they can begin the process of self-decomposition there – or, as is more commonly known – they can both rot in hell!
I sincerely hope that Peter Lawell takes a bite out of these bastards arseholes, locks his jaw and doesn’t let go.
The incompetence of the SFA and the contempt which they continually demonstrate to all fans of football in this country really does defy belief.
I believed Celtic’s statement yesterday afternoon to be short and measured and do not expect an immediate reply today in regards to the SFA clearly stating that they have no interest in pursuing any actions as Peter Lawell will wish to ensure that he has clearly thought about how we respond before going public.
The gauntlet was thrown and Regan, et al, have demonstrated their true colours and worth to all decent fans of football.
It’s time for change!
SFA by name…
No other country in the world where football is important,would be sitting it out like this wee bigoted country.
The media in Italy France Germany Spain would be all over it.
Here so called journalists are too frightened to tell the truth,or are just as bigoted as the followers of Sevco.
How many clubs has this systematic cheating done harm too.
Would for instance Hearts Motherwell Livingstone Gretna etc etc went into administration if those same tax evasion schemes were used in their clubs. Would Hibs Dundee Utd St Mirren Dunfermline Raith Rovers etc etc be playing in the lower leagues if they had used the same tax schemes.
The answer is of course no. Those clubs suffered because they tried to ke up with a club who were cheats,and it broke them.
They tried to do it honestly, if it were one of them that used them,they would have been thrown out the door.
This is what makes it so annoying.
That the media,sfa are showing a complete disregard for the welfare and sporting integrity on our game here.
Shame on them,and shame on the silence of all our clubs since the decision was known.
RIP Turnbull Hutton, the only guy who stood up for sporting integrity on the steps of Hampden.
As the governing body tried to parachute the new club into the top tiers of Scottish football.
https://youtu.be/Al64cnSZZH0
I listed 8 Clubs yesterday who lost out in Cup finals to the now deceased during their years of TAX EVASION.
I very much doubt some of those Clubs who have very little silverware to shout about in any case can afford or are willing to sit back and say nothing.
Celtic can cope with sidestepping any of the tainted titles because the fact of the matter is we will replace them in due time with Cups won on. The field through merit.
Peter Lawwell is no fool he probably has at best 10 year left at Celtic and no doubt can seek the council of yer man Fergus on these matters?
Peter Lawwell could leave Celtic hailed a fuckin hero for eternity if he chooses to nail these bastards who “run” Scottish Football once and for all?
Do l think he has the balls?
Yes l do and if you are perhaps reading this Peter l sincerely hope you do because the simple facts remain:
9 million Celtic fans are behind you
The truth and integrity of our game depends on you doing so.
GO FOR IT PETER and remember no matter the outcome
YOU WILL NEVER WALK ALONE
so if this goes ahead will every player who was a runner up get all the relinquished medals from gers players, and runners up medals given to players from third placed players or semi finalists from cup competitions. Or will the spfl create new medals and hit rangers up for the prize monies and missed bonuses for the players who lost out? I can’t see this happening. I can see rangers being hit up for monetary compensations to the clubs who lost out that’s the extent of it It’s a bizarre concept and largely unprecedented, not convinced any of this is going to happen.
Retrospective title awards, chasing ex Huns for their medals… how is this going to pan out?
I believe that the record books should show, Scottish Cup Winners – Posthumously – Queen of the South (Original winners Rangers stripped of win in 2017 due to Tax Evasion based cheating).
As for medals they should all be handed back, melted down and used to create a new Cup the Scottish Football Fair Financial Cup. Awarded to the club based on budget, profits and league position. Essentially awarding the best run club financially in all leagues based on percentages and not actual gross or net income.
No these Clubs would have these titles added to their histories (if they so wish)and the Club formerly known as Rangers Fc ( IL) would have it removed retrospectively as a matter of course.
No need for medals etc unless of course the SFA see fit to issue fresh ones to a Club on request.
I’m calling for Peter Lawwell to take it to the SFA bud and get these titles removed not suggesting ideas as to how the cunts that created this shambles in the first place clean up the debris after.
That’s for that shower of shite at SFA to worry about.
@Ian
I have answered bud but the post has took a detour to the Ether Bar furra pint.
Good on the dandy dons
Dons Supporters Together aim to represent the Aberdeen FC supporting community and have done since their inception. Those supporters that travel home and away, week-in, week-out and spend a fortune while doing it.
We all appreciate that the Scottish Football League has its faults and its critics. But, we fully expect, and it is our absolute right, that the sport we love and invest in is fair and honest.
On 5th July 2017 the Supreme Court backed HM Revenue and Customs in its fight with Rangers FC over their use of Employee Benefit Trusts between 2001 and 2010. This allowed Rangers FC to recruit members of staff of a certain quality that they could not ordinarily afford. Rangers FC undisputedly cheated the taxman to win 14 trophies.
Dons Supporters Together share the view with supporters who have invested in the Scottish game, that Rangers FC should be stripped of the 14 trophies won during these EBT years.
We now appeal to the Scottish football authorities, media, supporters and clubs in Scotland to review this matter and re-instate our trust in those running the game.
The titles must be stripped, it’s as fucking simple as that, i want to hear from other clubs as well though!
I’m fucking well up for this fight……
https://t.co/nDl6SS3XgO
I’ve archived this for those that aren’t registered:
https://archive.is/FOKg6
They’re going to sit this out hoping it will blow over and it probably will as no Boards, apart from Celtic, seem to be acting. It is down to fan power. Do we accept the game is rigged and just pay up or do we do something about it?
This goes on for 15 years from the admitted guilt of the DoS scheme from 1997-2001 and EBT from 2002-2011.
I assume that we finished league runners up in all the years we didn’t win it, as well as a few cups, so clearly we were the most cheated and therefore should play the leading role.
Cups are more difficult to reassign, as the cheated Semi-Finalist may have beaten the cheated Finalist. Perhaps leave it blank but issue a commemorative medal for all the cheated teams as they were undefeated in that season’s competition.
I was quite pleased with the club’s statement but as the contemptible SFA showed it will take much more than this. This doesn’t mean tit for tat statements but neither can there be prolonged inaction as that will kill all momentum.
The Cha,we were second on 6 occasions during those years,one year on same points,one year losing by a point.MyFootballFacts.com will provide necessary information.Hail,Hail.
Ralph, your suggestion to not turn up for the game on the opening day would have a massive impact but I for one wouldn’t/couldn’t do it. I want to see our club raise the flag we honestly, and deservedly, won.
However, I genuinely think a boycott of cup games is in order.
Why give them the pleasure of our absence ? We were honest all through this and we should maintain that stance. Unless there is uniform solidarity from all member clubs then it just looks vindictive however dishonest they were. Making a rod for our own backs being sole conscientious objectors. I think Murray needs to be brought to trial here Ralph is spot on here he’s the evil bastard who should be held to task for his greed and ruthless pursuits of self gratifying glories probably a fucking coke head trying to compensate for being a hopalong entrepreneur using bigotry and sectarianism as a fulcrum
I agree every title should be stripped just don’t know the methodology that could be implemented to placate all who lost out. I wish we could get closure sooner or later and concentrate on our own pursuit of honest successes
Really as fans there is power but it’s largely expressed in chants and clever songs I think it’s now too easy to get pleasure in humiliating them. We don’t have to do it now they’re doing it all by themselves. They’re fucked, destroyed and are embroiled in misery a beaten dog, craven with only an old bag of a queen to sing about. I’m not getting any pleasure here at all but I don’t live over there anymore. Just want us to do ok in Europe and progress to where we deserve to be for our great fans. I can’t get obsessed with beating a reinvented dog that only sees the light at the end of the tunnel as a runaway train that’s going to smash them into oblivion. A year older Lenny miller with anguish in his face and a halfwit manager. Bring on the qualifiers
Ian,simple.Celtic finished second 6 times.The “winners” a la Lance Armstrong,are proven cheats,disqualified and titles handed to runners up,thankfully us.Seems fair and upholds sporting integrity,doesn’t it? Can any reasonable person complain?……
Also, who is the QC that has advised the SFA? We demand to know his name and his reasoning for advising against action.
Correct, as STV Grant claimed to have received an identical letter from UEFA to the Res12 guys, Celtic and the SFA except for one little 3 letter word that completely altered the meaning but refused to divulge his question that elicited that.
But why is the story being framed as Celtic’s protest? It’s all of Scottish football. Unless there are clubs that are happy to be cheated by one club alone and get by on the crumbs from their table. If that is the outcome and no action is taken, including stripping of titles, it’s time to go. Like Davy Hay I’d rather play Irish teams than stomach that.
Exactly puggy
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Great heartfelt post, Ralph.
Charlie, 3 great links. The truth is out there. The will is there, if we can just unify it. Good on the ‘sheep’ but it’s mibbaes the goats we need to get to.
HH
Ralph,
I said my piece last night and the more I wrote the more depressed I became. You, as usual, expressed my feelings somewhat more lucidly and eruditely.
Today may have provided me with very, very faint glimmers of hope for some kind of U turn being imposed on the Scottish Football reprobates. For that reason, I am prepared to bide my time but it will be limited. The game is drowned without any trace of dignity or integrity in the deepest of pits, if clubs sit on their arses and do nothing.
Have to rush. Important things to do.
H H
https://t.co/Kb8UDh2Qla
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15393946.Martin_Hannan__Arrogant_SFA_are_wrong_to_dismiss_further_action_on_Rangers_____and_should_not_underestimate_fan__anger/?ref=twtrec
“the arc of history is long but bends towards truth” MLK
We have got the truth now, the truth we could all see when details of the EBT things first came out and which it has taken years to finally arrive at. First via initial FTT decisions which have now been shown up for the absurdity they appeared to be at the time (doff the cap to Ms Poon who refused to put her name to their whitewash and in an unusual move submitted her own dissenting report – the one that today is the report of the facts) via multiple appeals and counter appeals
I m a fairly easy going guy, I’ve not called rangers cheats, I’ve not called for titles to be stripped as I want to speak of facts rather than opinions on matters of law
Well today I call Rangers cheats; not their hilariously inept tribute act, but their predecessor, who knowingly, wilfully and continually tried to, by their own admission, recruit players they could not afford otherwise through setting up schemes whereby players wages would be noted as “loans” and so not subject to tax
Facts. Not opinion or conjecture, facts
After truth, justice
Lord Nimmo Smith must be set aside, it proceeded on an erroneous presumption that EBT schemes as operated by Rangers were legal, so open to other clubs if only they had been smart enough and the only issue at play was the “imperfect” registration of players as these side arrangements weren’t declared.
I’ll not call for strip the titles but I do want that to be a possible sanction determined by a new appeal body who consider not only the original issues of LNS but also the undisclosed to him DoS scheme which they had already admitted guilt on but was not put forward to LNS and more importantly the officers of the SFA and SPL who knew of the situation of Rangers and what role they played – if any – in keeping them afloat and then minimising the sanctions they would face when that failed, up to and including the Resolution 12 issue of Euro licenses
The SFA response is not unexpected – they are the target now and so unlikely to set up a truly independent review with powers to remove officers if found guilty of acting against the interests of the whole game in Scotland to the advantage of one, so I’m unconcerned for now with what they say
To borrow a phrase we are the people – fans of all clubs in Scotland, the SFA and SPFL are ultimately staffed by people who should be representing us, if they can’t do it then we’ll have to make sure it happens by doing it for them, viva la revolution!!
You lost me at the bit where you stated they are football fans like you and me, LMFJAO hunners (see wot I did) of smileys….
The latest statement by the SFA indicating that they had taken advice from senior counsel smacks of desperation. Do they think everyone is stupid? The advice that they got was clearly predicated by what they asked the counsel to do! If they asked counsel about the feasibility of obtaining financial fines from Oldco then counsel would clearly say that there was little chance of that. In fact, there was no need to employ senior counsel to see that that would be the case! So, I ask the SFA, what was the remit of counsel? You have previous on limiting scope to get the result that you prefer!
Nobody expects the SFA to impose financial penalties on a liquidated organisation, but many do expect a statement from the SFA recognising that Rangers used an illegal means to gain a competitive advantage over fellow member clubs of the Scottish league. Having recognised that, other clubs and the watching world expect there to be some action regarding the benefits that Rangers obtained from this illegal competitive advantage. Otherwise the governing body is sanctioning the use of illegal strategies to obtain success. It would be a messy process to do what is right and proper but it would demonstrate that Scottish football is not corrupt.
Rebus
Protestations from every Scottish teams supporters clubs outside Hampden alongside widespread boycott of attendance at all sevconians games. That should get the attention.
Permanent tifo at all grounds of Murray’s confession that ebt allowed them to compete, I would chip some Dosh in to get one.
And so the pish talk continues from all sides. There are only two sorts involved in Scottish football and that’s Suits and Serfs. I’d love to say this is my last post but I cannae resist coming back in and ridiculing all still involved. Nearly as funny as Python’s Holy Grail.
125,
So what are your views? So far all you have suggested is that they are somehow superior to other POV.
Let me see your “pish” and we can discuss your views.
Rebus
Archive my posts. Too late in the day to be going over what I’ve been saying in the past five years. But I will repeat again, none of us know where the Club stand on this and until we do I won’t be changing my position of pishing into the tent fae the ootside
125,
If you cannot be bothered to summarise your position, I cannot be bothered to check the Archive.
Rebus
The only way to get the Board to do the right thing is by threatening the money. Once you do that as i have already done then you have leverage.
Spot on
PISH
Celt125,
My previous reply has gone AWOL. I’d like to hear more from you. So far, all you have suggested is that you are superior to all the “pish” talk. Surely, you have something more detailed to add?
Rebus
I have yet to feel ridiculed for asking for justice and asking for the right thing to be done. Forgive me if your ridicule is in turned ridiculed by just about everybody else.
Serfs rarely do.
My choice would be Republic. U stick with your Kingdom, seems to fit.
Pardon my serfdom your majesty you must be totally caught up in your own canyon of conceit to be such a twat
Broxburn asking for it and getting it ? Do you think this new club, and they have every right in claiming they are thanks to us and others, are going to be held accountable ? Maybe they will but I can’t see those who want complete justice getting it but I’m a bit daft. I encourage those who want justice to keep going I just don’t have the energy left. The only time I think about rangers is when we play them then it’s off to Dundee or wherever that’s how much of an irrelevance they are
So just give up? Is that what you are telling us?
Well no, keep fighting the good fight. I personally don’t see any significant change in what’s going on now
ever got something without asking?
Yeah a tax bill
A blow job in Greenock…..
Yup Have been since I chucked it after the LNS. I hung about at first to see how many would follow suit but realized quickly that wiz never happening. Since then I’ve just been laffing, specifically at people like you.
I’m writing a novella just now entitled Gormless, when it’s done I’ll hit u up for an address.
That’s me but I’m no deef.
It made no difference at all but it is the only way of righting the wrong.
Celtic 125 i won’t say it’s a siege mentality on here that’s too extreme there is credence in the argument for Hun accountability but for the sake of moving forward. The spfl are not going to chastise rangers and their massive hordes into extinction that’s what the proposal of hitting them financially would do. Not going to happen
It’s this simple, I would still be a shareholder/season book owner if our Board had only came out and said what needed to be said but they didn’t and I can’t abide that. None of us know where the Club stand. They are either the Colombo of the piece waiting patiently on a cigar moment or they’re at it. Nothing over the course of this omnishambles has made me believe the former to be true. It has been from day one an internecine war. I’m only asking that Tims keep up.
They made an innocuous statement about potential cheating a softly softly statement about being suspicious in 2013 about sporting gain/integrity etc being compromised. Hardly going for the jugular . Sadly, and I’ve said this all along Celtic need a healthy rangers to survive otherwise the spfl is a more than a joke. It’s akin to McNeil and greig playing golf together with hardy smiles. Players and clubs don’t have this intense hatred we have for each other it’s all artifice. It’s business it’s evil. We are supposed to get all engrossed in this gladatitorial old firm nonsense. That’s the pinnacle of our game. A goldfish bowl of sectarianism that keep the few rich. However corrupt it looks in the surface there is fuck all we can do to change that. Serfs and suits is spot on everything else is superfluous that’s the true narrative.
Celtic need a healthy Rangers to survive??? Seriously?
Sad to say, but Ian is right, in the SPL, the revenues have increased by 12% now that the huns are back. Celtic do not NEED “Rangers” back, we could live without them but in a much reduced league. That is why we had Deila as manager, on a reported salary of £400,00 as opposed to Brendan at £2.00 million.
Look around the grounds, they are mostly empty, the blue pound is crucial to them, it is either that or we go back to junior level.
That is why D.D. wanted us in the EPL. so much, until we can move into another richer league we are stuck with them. Having said that, the TITLES must be stripped, or else!!!!!!
Iancelt,
” Celtic need a healthy “rangers” to survive”?
Are you taking the piss?
Monti , no not really. Maybe they just need an entity called rangers to put bums on seats. The more quality opposition from them the better player we have to buy and better manager we have to get and keep . I don’t take any of this shit too personal anymore Celtic and rangers fans are buddies over here we don’t want to batter fuck out of each other. Mm that’s not entirely true there are pubs over here that you wouldn’t go into , not many but some anyway I digress ….. unfortunately and symbiotically both clubs need each other to thrive. Yes
Iancelt,
Who is this ” rangers ” you speak of?
Disappointing to see you come out with this shite m8
As for you all being mates over there? I wouldn’t let a single one of those fucks darken my door…
I want nothing to do with ANY of them!
No rangers mates for me since school days. Just saying how it is I remember being up in Darwin out on the town. For those of you who don’t know where Darwin is , it’s right at the top of the country and tropical and really fucking humid. Fights everywhere a real frontier type town. Anyway, I’m walking down the street and I see about thirty guys with Hun strips on
I’m like what the fuck? They passed me singing the sash and whatnot I’m like “fuck u orange bastards” as I pass through them in a sort of half joking way and sort of not… that drunk and semi oblivious to the potential peril I was maybe facing. This is was around 2009 . When both teams where evenly matched . These guys couldn’t believe it either, me giving them grief. I got away with a few famine jokes bobby sands and fish suppers etc
It was really surreal though I did happen across a rangers pub in troppo Darwin . It ended up being reasonably good natured
Celtic123.5: You know it’s funny because you off all people could go after the SFA for lost revenue and causing depression.
LOL spot on
I might just do that after I’ve stopped laughing at all the money you continue to pour into a corrupt enterprise while they in turn continue to laugh at you.
Clearly I’m no the only wan to huv been on the bevy!
clearly you are
Rebus. That’s probably what’s going to happen. It’s black and white thinking to expect anything else. There will be blame shifting to previous executive committees and it will be played down to look like the current lot are doing the right thing . It’s like getting accountability from a promiscuous tart. We can only hope for transparency in the future. It’s oh so fucking messy and we will never be a competitive force again as a nation unless there is a cover up that will leave a horrible taste for those who want justice
Ralph,
Maybe it is time to get your petition or an amended form of it back out on the road?
If supporter’s groups from other clubs go public on this issue, they could be sent the petition for distribution to their members.
Rebus
Are some on here suggesting its all too hard to seek justice and lets move on? That is total unacceptable pish! Both tax law and sporting integrity have been proven violated and other clubs and fans suffered as a result as the perpetrators flourished until their demise caused by a change of bank! This is very clear cut, pretty simple easy to see the right thing to do. Lord Nimmo Smith need to reconvene and re appraise his uniformed original verdict in view of the facts. The tax authorities have to go after all of those paid EBTS and recoup the tax money owned, the Football authorities have to strip titles and cups from the team that cheated by use of an illegal tax scheme to gain a sporting advantage and titles and cups given to those runners up just like in athletics when drug cheats are caught. What is the vacillation here? It seems pretty simple to me.
No not saying that at all saying me personally. I couldn’t care less about the past as much as I care about the future. Sporting integrity has been compromised here as well as grand scale tax evasion proven beyond reasonable doubt. I think there will be people pursuing the individuals who benefited from ebt handouts. It shouldn’t happpen again. Moonbeams was the architect of the scandal and so should get the most punitive action against him should he face court, and he may well
I didn’t live over there during these years and if I did I would probably have as much moral outrage as the next non rangers s football fan. Bailiffs banging down mccoists and mcleishes door and wee bazzas as well looking for payback. Their gear getting sold at police auctions. It’s the next Hollywood blockbuster. I just hate this shit happening just at the most important part of the season. The qualifiers. It takes focus away
Rebus is right , one strong assembled force spearheaded by lawell and a team of ace lawyers. Is what’s needed not a rabble of slavering bloodthirsty and angry men. Mob mentality gets one nowhere unless you’re in some 1920s timewarp in downtown Chicago.. This is going to take time to sort out so we should all calm the fuck down and for the people who want justice there should be steps taken by those most in the know and with the most interest to rally behind the cause . Problem here is some of us want different things out of this. And guess what , whatever it is will never be enough for some. I’m fucking over it
Rebus do you expect Hun clubs like Kilmarnock hearts or Dunfermline to get on board. I don’t think so
Exactly. There’s 2 games at play, one is about sport and fairness and the other is getting Scotland back to the 1950s.
I wish puggy Scotland had more respect as a football nation in the fifties than they do now
Ian,
A big question mark over Killie but Hearts could get on board. They have already suffered because of the new club. The Pars are not in the Premier league. All clubs suffered during the period that Rangers were financially doping. Any half decent player that Rangers wanted had to be given up at Ranger’s price.
There are two levels from which pressure can be applied…….the fans and the clubs. If the fans pressure their club, they will be obliged to respond.
The danger at the moment is the attitude of Celtic125. This “nothing can be done….it is all a fix…again we the workers are screwed over….” plays right into the hands of the establishment including the SFA, SPFL. What they want s to ride this out until the season starts when folks will be diverted to other emotional pursuits.
The other danger is that efforts do not become focussed under one umbrella. Five different people pushing at different points of the fence is not as effective as a single coordinated effort at one point of the fence.
Finding an organising force to apply that single pressure is the challenge….lots of egos involved in this.
Rebus
You got the wrong guy again wae the quote you attributed to me. A knack I’d wager you picked up from whatever Red top it is that you prefer. To do something means taking action. I have you haven’t. I did it five years ago. What I’m saying to you apart from noting your appalling taste in books is that the offenders have been caught bang to rights and still you want to talk about it, get a gang together to storm the Tucky or whatever it was you said. Don’t go back till they dae something about it. Res 12 proved that beyond doubt.
Sir,
You did not take action, you gave up!
Rebus
In your opinion which we know is facile. All you have done is greet. I made a stand along with others. The demand, again, is I’m no putting one thin dime in the Club until the Club states it’s position. I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand. I don’t expect them to get justice I expect them to seek it. You’re the wan that wants this and that to be done and I’m telling you and others that that’s a waste of time and energy when the fundamental point is, what do the Board think? Their silence, to me, means that not only do they not mind the rule breaking but are insistent on us being one cheek of the OF arse. Full houses for those games against Them backs up their position.
125 has a very valid point.
Women should be treated respect Red even the mental wans.
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Thats talkin shite
naw, its right out of your arse, which should be given more of a chance
Why not set up a group of supporters to be at grounds early with a petition for fans to sign and then all 11 leauge members who get the petitions and all at the same time deliver them to hunpden and try and have some press there as they deliver them that way it lets them know we aint taking their shit no more HH
Did anyone else see that smug bastard Grant Russell’s performance on Scotland Tonight last night? According to him nothing would happen to Rangers past, present or future and former players would not have to pay back any of their illegally gotten gains. And he looked like he was enjoying every word that came out of his mouth. I felt like smashing his smirking face in.
He looked like that because he had a giant dildo up his crack
He must think that the tax authorities will simply rest on the verdict and do nothing else. This is a matter of law and I would guess that the tax authorities will go after all of those who failed to pay the appropriate tax on what is now legally deemed to be their income. If we failed to pay tax on our income, went to court and lost, then the tax would be due and would be pursued.
Unfortunately, some tax experts have said that they will NOT go after the players, managers and directors of the DEED club, because they suggest that the responsibility was due on the DEED club and not the individuals.
Talk about sick, 50 years of paying income tax, N.I. Vat, every week and they come away with that.
Clubs doon sooth will be bricking it, because knock knock, who’s there Hector!!!!
They will not go after them!!
Mike I respectfully disagree. This is a matter of law rather than opinion. Two things are certain in life – death and taxes. I agree with others that this verdict is part of a bigger picture on tax aviodance and at the same time, they are now oblidged to go to collect tax owed. Whether those who avoided the tax are dead, dying, solvent or broke, they are oblidged to recoup taxes owed on income. I totally disagree with the “never mind it is all so unfair crowd” and they holier than thou crowd who have walked away and are now lecturing and patronizing the rest of us about how well that worked – when it was a simple cowardly retreat. This need tackled and it needs tackled by the rest of Scottish football fans and clubs
Just a thought, should Scott Brown be the only player in Scottish football history with 10 consecutive league winners medals?
Damned right he should be. Every game played by cheats should be result in a 3-0 score line to opposition as per SFA rules!,,,,,,
Strip the titles!
They will be Monti (Caption Winner).Have faith.There will be a deal done.We are due 6 titles.HMRC have first go at monies owed.Employees will not be chased for back payments.Just let things settle down and believe me,talks are already taking place amongst all concerned parties.
P.S.Tell the others to calm down.
I’ve already displayed that Scottish Common law is not my strong suit, but surely there is a way of suing the league and the SFA for failure to provide a service. In buying a ticket for any cup game or league match we agree to pay a specified fee and in return expect a specific service. One of those certain services would be that we expect all clubs taking part in adhering to the rules of the competition within the laws of the land. As said service was not provided every supporter (presumably with evidence of payment) of every club that took part in a competition that an EBT player took part in could potentially sue the organizers of said competition.
That would be some class action lawsuit. It would cripple the SFA, the league and put the money back into the hands of the support who could then use it to create a more democratic structure for both.
Any lawyers on here please speak up and let us know what we could do in light of the proven illegality to either individually pursue recompense and/or class action pursue recompense for being sold a bogus product based on illegal tax avoidance?
Brox,
I bet you Ralph knows a lawyer or two. Someone in the Res 12 group are bound to be.
Exactly and by them not providing that service they are liable. Basically everyone who paid money to watch football during the EBT years were passing for a lie.
Passing = paying
I suggest that fans all ove Scotland now boycott all the cup competitions until the people that run our game see sense!
Strip the titles!
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/poll-should-rangers-be-stripped-of-their-ebt-titles-1-4496550
Vote early,vote often!!
Totally agree Uralius, these dicks as are only interested in our money. As the fair rules of competition were broken, fans should ask for a refund from the SFA as they are the governing body. What shocks me is that Sir Minty admitted that they brought in players they otherwise could not have afforded during the Whyte trial.
Overall the board have been weak in dealing with this clear cheating and the shareholders should raise their concerns NOW
In relation to the media, as signed up members of the s/ludge there is no appetite for Sir Minty being chased.
In courier country (Bonny Dundee) action is the name of the game for stripping titles. Nobody kens, what other clubs supporters want to do, we are disjointed, we need a wee letter sent out to other supporter associations, to find out their views.
Roll over Timmy and get your tummy tickled, NO NO No thanks.
I was heartened by the CSA (Celtic Supporters Association) that’s for you Charlie, calling for action from Joe O Rourke, fine and dandy bhoy is Joe.
So don’t let our fingers linger, ask Joe to get us organised and find out, what their view is. OR ?
https://t.co/2Qkxh3TrZb
cmon mikeys mob
How does the Dundee manager feel about his club being awarded the 2003 Scottish Cup? 🙂
Naebody can contact him, cos his heed is buried in the sand.;-)
please somebody ask him
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Check out Paul Larkin ‘The Asterisk Years’ on YouTube if you haven’t read the book.
https://t.co/pLjTQ9DPvm
Thank fuck the huns got pished on by the Luxemburg minnows, cos if they played Limassol they would have been totally fucked over!!!
That would have been good to see though.!!!!!
hahahaha. it gets better and better the more I see it.
What about a go fund me site to start the class action lawsuit? Then we can start compiling a list of those with evidence of purchasing season tickets, tickets, CelticTV etc for those seasons. Perhaps we could delegate the compilation of each supporters list to the representing supporters association. Anyone know a good Solicitor?
Mr. Humphries is free. 😉
Still laughing at Carl jungle bhoy and Mrs. Slocums pussy.
Weered,the time has come.Ticketmaster will only sell to those with addresses in the North.Public sale tomorrow.One ticket for me and I’ll pay for yours.North Stand,Green entrance.You are the man,I’ll offer up prayers.Signed law abiding,charity competition runner and your bestestest friend(except for Una).
The one thing that seems to have escaped the mind of the Klan is fairly damning when it comes down to the use of EBTs?
Rangers Fc went bust in the end due to the fact an £18m Bank Debt needed to be paid off.
The Club went tits up with over £47m owing to it through “loans” via these trusts.
If they were legit and above Board as David Murray still claims then why didn’t the Club simply call these “loans” back in?
With Zero Debt and a surplus of £20m swelling the accounts he could have punted it to someone with money.
Couple that with Murrays statement yesterday where he clearly states ( twice ) that it was the Club who were Liquidated not a fucking Company as they all seem to scream?
Mentalists
Do not forget the millions and millions due to the face painters et all the creditors and MIM that went bust being due some 800 million pounds. He was then able (how on earth) to cherry pick the bits of his empire that went bust, unfuckingbelievable.
It shows the very worse face of capitalism, he, Murray was in the Sunday Times rich list, with an astonishing wealth of £174 million pounds.
There is something fundamentally wrong in any civilisation that allows that.
America, with a pop. of some 267 mill. 100 senators (second house).
G.B. with a pop. of 60 mill. with 900 in the Lords? eh!
Neoliberalism
Doncha just love it?
Have you got a bhoy friend as hip as me,
have you got a bhoy friend as sexy as me,
have you got a bhoy friend as sweet as me,
Doncha, Doncha.
Don’t forget 55 million of those are South of the border.
Don’t kid yersel bud the SNP subscribe to it wholeheartedly hence the clambering to stay in the EU i.e. A shrine to Neoliberalism
When I was last on a proper holiday in Scotland, I tried to stay in the quiet rural parts. The amount of money the EU had injected into these areas was very impressive. I understand those from bigger cities wouldn’t have seen any EU money, but in the rural parts there is a lot.
We’ve injected quite a bit more money into the EU on balance.
Look how they treated the Greeks when they were dire trouble and watch what happens when we get out.
The EU is all part of the Capitalist Globalisation strategy which enables the Elite to move their winnings around tax free whenever and wherever they want.
We foot the tab as always.
winnings/ ill gotten gains.
“There is NO huns in Europe, No huns in Europe and no St. Johnstone either, by the way it looks, the sheep will probably follow suit.
That leaves, the Good bhoys.
sash–tick.
flute-tick,
Linfield scarf– tick,
ticket—tick.
suicide vest— mibbee eye mibbee no!
As Barbara Dickson would say, You ken me so well. Any spare rooms?
Avoid the bedroom tax, bring a stranger into your home
give him wine and substance, shower him with gifts, the Lord will pay you back in Valhalla, it is the right thing to do, be a Christian, lend him one of your daughters and he will repay you a thousand times.
Taken from an extract of Mikey’s wee green book.
Please check my posts when Ralph regains sobriety,again……
and no Cha. you aint getting my ticket, unless you carry in my vest for me? 😉
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qevOObjMMOM#
Cracking track fae Rory Gallagher “Philby”
https://youtu.be/PQs5bTUhpIg