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Whose Fault Is It Anyway? Everybody’s…..

Pensionerbhoy has been watching Celtic for a long, long time. That makes his view on what’s happening quite relevant, as he looks at the omnishambles at Celtic Park

 

Well, the inevitable has happened. As long as there was going to be “fans” at Ibrox, Sunday’s result and subsequent reactions were bound to happen sometime. If there is a silver lining somewhere in the midst of the angst, it is the fact the first defeat is done and dusted. If that were the full story, then I could bite my lip, which now looks like Anne Robinson’s through a magnifying glass, and get on with life. Unfortunately, it is not the end nor even the beginning of the end, as a war monger with a sheriff’s badge once said, but it is the end of the beginning and the imagination simply cannot conceive the future ramifications. For any far sighted Celtic supporter, no matter how badly scarred from the result, the real issue is the door that was opened for the Scottish football authorities, the SMSM and other media outlets, “rangers” directors, management, players and support to espouse and endorse the four years of hogwash as justifiable and true. That is what pains me so deeply and why I never wanted to see that fixture played ever again. If everything possible was being done to prop up the crumbling façade of “rangers”, then it will be multiplied beyond comprehension now that they have “justified their position back among the big boys”. If we had a rotten taste in our mouths on Sunday afternoon, I reckon we will be vomiting uncontrollably in the very near future.
Having said all of that, Celtic is where it deserves to be. Humiliation is not the reserve of Sunday’s result but has been pretty much a constant over the last two seasons and even longer. Losing to lower division sides, being knocked out right at the start of European campaigns, losing semi-finals that should have been foregone conclusions, signing an embarrassingly inordinate amount of dead wood and above all struggling to succeed with a budget and player pool far outreaching any other club in the Scottish Leagues were leading to an inevitable embarrassing disaster. It should have been a time of domination both in terms of performance and in trophies won. Instead it has been a boring, plodding drudge to the finish line – well, when we have actually reached a finishing line. Now the consequences are battering us full on in the coupon with nowhere to duck or dodge and, if past experience is anything to go by, with nothing to counter with either.
Having made my case for our bewilderingly humiliating position, it is necessary to examine where the blame lies. Of course, it is very easy to look at the manager as he is at the head of the front line. He deserves the criticism, all of it, though I am saddened by the way much of it has been expressed by many of our own supporters. I admired Deila as he laid out a plan for the future of the club which reminded me of the vision that Stein had when he first arrived. I hoped against hope we had found a new breed of manger just like Big Jock and was more than willing to give him all the time he needed to establish himself and put his plans in place.

The first cracks and creeks appeared with his management and coaching team. I guess any discerning supporter would have seen the writing on the wall way back then. However, with the demise of Rangers and the “gore” associated with that, I kept faith with Deila and waited for the big transformation and the new era of attractive, winning football. If patience is a virtue, I am a saint but a fool to boot. I clung on far too long before the penny plunged. He needs to go because, as Ralph says, “What promised to be a new wave of ideas under a man set to make his mark not only in Scotland but on the world stage, crashed and burned on the slopes of Hampden…..” In spite of grasping onto very thin straws in the hope he could alter course, I think he has been nose diving for a long, long time and Hampden was just the final few feet to the ground.

However, and it is a massive “however”, he was very far from being alone in crashing the club. Immediately, and perhaps more directly to blame, were his management team. At no time did it come across as a team at all and the attitude of Collins and the immaturity of Kennedy were never going to be a workable combination for Deila. He needed men with grit, strength and determination who would show drive and persistence in the presence of Deila’s softly, softly approach. He needed almost the reverse of Stein and Fallon. The men supporting him should have been his strong arm in dealing with the board and the players, men who would support his ideals through thick and thin. Deila had the vision and the plan, the great strategy, but he did not have the wherewithal to implement it and it does not appear either Collins or Kennedy were on board. A telling sight for me was the sheer lack of enthusiasm or reaction on the side-lines. Look at any “decent” management team and you see animation and energy from all of the team members. In fact, it has been a hallmark of all CeItic’s managers worth their salt down through the years. Under Deila, it was simply non-existent. The current management team was surely a combination made in hell and they all found their place there last Sunday.
But, in fairness, can we really stop at the weakness of the management team either individually or collectively? I very much doubt it. There has been a distinctly foul atmosphere around Celtic Football Club for a few seasons now. Fans have been totally disillusioned with the attitude and activities of the CEO and board for a number of years. I would go as far as to say I have only known such strain in the club on two other occasions. The first was just prior to the arrival of Jock Stein when fans were completely disillusioned by the boards reluctance to replace Jimmy McGrory for, great though he was as a footballer, his reign as manger was a disaster and there was simply no sign of the freefall halting. The fans reacted and Bob Kelly did the rest. The second was the infamous period in the 90s when we only survived through the expertise and aggrandisement of The Bunnet with a little help from a few friends and the sacrifices of some very dedicated supporters.

Bad as these periods were, I get the feeling the stench of animosity today is as strong if not stronger than it was then. Fans and board have been at loggerheads about the management and his powers, the lack of investment in playing staff, the inactivity regarding the shenanigans surrounding the liquidation of rangers and the “reinstatement” of the club that took over at Ibrox, Resolution 12, The Green Brigade, stewarding, policing, ticket pricing, one could go on and on. Celtic is without doubt a family in turmoil, on the verge of collapse even, at the moment. For a whole variety of reasons supporters are either staying away or threatening to do so. Attendances have dropped to a dangerous level and yet there is no response from the board. I firmly believe this unhealthy atmosphere surrounding the club over the last few years has contributed in no small way to the lack of cooperation, respect and enthusiasm between board, fans and management and, therefore, influenced players’ performances on the park.
Now let us examine those performances. Once again, it is easy to point fingers at management but what happens on the field in each game is, at the end of the day, really down to the attitude and performance of the team. Tactics may and in the last couple of seasons most certainly have been incomprehensibly wrong. However, anyone who has played football, even at schoolboy level, knows players should and ought to adapt to circumstances. How dumb is it to stick to a plan when it simply is not working? Doing so shows not just the manager’s incompetence but the players’ inability to perform other than as trained circus animals looking for a lump of sugar after the show. God gave humans a brain and very few, if any Celtic players showed proof of that these last few seasons.

Combine that with what has looked like a total collapse of player-manager relations and the consequence is disaster. Enthusiasm can win games against the strongest opponent. Our defeat of Barcelona proved that as, and I hate to remind you all of it, did Sunday’s result. On the other hand, disinterestedness and playing for the pound and not the jersey is fatal and we have witnessed regular fatalities for several years now.

Yes, Deila and his entourage need to go.

Yes, the board needs sorted out.

But, in my opinion, and I feel I am not alone in this, the playing pool needs gutted and I mean well and truly gutted. I personally would be a happy man to see around 20 ravenous kids like Tierney making up the playing pool next season. Yes, we will lose games and perhaps not even win the title but we will be building a solid foundation for the future with freshly cut though green timbers and not rotting lumber. We must have the largest dead pool of any club. We need a Dirty Harry to do some proper gutting. We also need someone with just the minimum of noose to do our scouting. Purchases for years now have not just been poor they have been ludicrous.

Lawwell, for all his supposed financial acumen, seems blind to the utter waste in our transfer policy. For a few lucky shekels coming in now and then, he seems willing to give free rein to some headless horseman to round up any stray, injured or dying footballer who is willing to step out in front of him.

Then there are the wonder-kids from weaker teams who glitter like precious stones at a lower level but turn out to be fools’ gold when they make the vast leap to playing for Celtic. Why can no one seem to judge this in advance? But then, many of us are the culprits who instigate the initial demand for them. And I have not yet mentioned the retirees who have a final fling at increasing their pensions by casting the odd shadow on the green turf of Celtic Park. It is not just embarrassing, it is shameful for a club of our stature and standing.

I must add a few lines regarding “state of the art” training facilities, sports science and medical treatment facilities. What is all of this guff? Training is simply about learning to score or prevent goals, done and dusted. Greats like Wee Jinky or Pele learned those skills in their back yards and sandy beaches. Now, players cannot even grasp the simple skill, if one can call it that, of trapping a ball so that it does not bounce ten yards away from them. That is basic coordination and only needs practice, not techy training. When did the essential part of passing become finding a teammate surrounded by four or more opponents to give the ball to?

In my misty memory, I thought I learned to give it to the man in space.

Then there are two simple moves that seem to have been deleted from any football tactics. I understood the ball should go from goalkeeper or defender to inside or midfield man then to the wing for the winger to carry it towards the eighteen-yard box and cross for a forward to have an attempt at goal. Now players carry the ball all the way to the six-yard box then pass it to the wing.

What is that all about, as Peter Kay might say? Is there not something totally illogical in that ?

Oh, of course they can also guarantee 90% possession as long as they play across the field instead of towards the goal. Yes, that will win a lot of games. Another modern tactic that baffles me is watching and waiting. It seems to me the ball should dictate the game. To do so, a player must anticipate at all times where that ball will go. That means two things.

First, a forward moving player should be constantly trying to find open space. It is not so much what is done on the ball as what is achieved off it. A defender should be reading where a ball is most likely to go and be ready to take whatever action is required. It seems, with the exception of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern and some others, players wait all the time to see where the ball is and then chase it. Combined with slow build ups these tactics will never win anything and are certainly not going to entertain.

There is a whole raft of other tactical conundrums that could be questioned but that might turn this short article into an encyclopaedia. Suffice it to say, I am not a fan of modern tactics and I see little or no advantage in state of the art facilities that encourage boring football, cannot provide fast and efficient treatment for simple injuries and a science that makes players less fit and enthusiastic than when a fag at half time did the trick.
I had planned to write this as a comment but I am going to email it to Ralph as I think I may have gone on an over-long rant. I had not intended it to be so. I just wanted to put the case that not all the blame should be laid at Deila’s door. I am not attempting to exonerate him or even plead his case. Yes, he is the manager and must take the responsibility but he deserves some sympathy for the lack of support from the board, his management team, from the players and even from the fans.

If you think I am wrong, then consider how unenthusiastic our support has been especially at home games for a good part of the season. Celtic supporters “faithful through and through” would be even more vociferous when the team is doing badly. I do remember when we encouraged our poor teams not defamed them. That was reserved for fans of lesser clubs.

So, I guess what I am saying is, we have played our part in this current collapse even though, at the end of the day, it is on Deila’s head and it is time for him to say farewell in the hope of a replacement who will bring back some sunnier days and a whole heap of pride. Mind you, some of the names banded about do not fill me with either enthusiasm or confidence.

Ever the optimist. When he does go, I think it would be right, in the tradition of our great support, to let Ronnie Deila leave quietly and with the respect we give to anyone connected to our club. To not do so would be to let down not only Celtic but ourselves. For once we ought to keep our personal thoughts to ourselves. Sometimes I think we forget that, unlike the past when personal opinions were just shared among ourselves, social media lays our comments bare to the whole world.

However, I would have no objections to the world knowing how most of us feel about our current CEO and board and those who are their mouthpiece.
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Steve
7 years ago

Wow, starting off an article by calling Churchill a “warmonger” for fighting the Nazis. Thank goodness this is there to set the mindset of the writer to the garbled nonsense below.

Frontier Psychiatrist
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Have a lie down Steve.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Glasgow 1919, Bloody Friday. He was a warmonger.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

andybhoy

And the many others I listed somewhere below and not forgetting the others I did not include. anyway, as I pointed out in one of my replies, my post was nothing to do with said Winston. I merely used him for a pseudo-humorous paraphrased quote. I am baffled how Steve sees my use of him as setting the tone for a football opinion.

Thanks

H H

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Well, the inevitable has happened. As long as there was going to be “fans” at Ibrox, Sunday’s result and subsequent reactions were bound to happen sometime

dickhead. We will never face the hunz again when they are in the diddy league.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

FredCDobbs

How many thought that 4 years ago. I was convinced they were dead and buried and wished it with all my heart but the forces of evil in Scottish football put that to bed. I am sorry but when it comes to that crowd there is no telling the future not when Armageddon is the password for connivance.

H H

rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve,

Wow! Your judgement is way off here, way off!

Rebus

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve,

I accept everyone has an opinion and I respect yours without the cynicism of your follow on. However, if you read anything on Churchill’s life you will understand why he was a warmonger. As a young man he craved glory on the battlefield and it stood him in good stead when he got into power in 1940. Yes, we needed him to combat the evil of Naziism for it took one warmonger to understand and challenge the other. If he was such a peacemaker, why seek the reporter’s job in Cuba; his Indian escapades; his desire to fight in the Greco-Turkish war which ended too soon for him; his eagerness to participate in the last cavalry charge in the Sudan; his continued search for battles that took him into the Boer War in South Africa? While, for me, his willingness to use men and arms without compunction as in Gallipoli, the Sydney Street Siege and The Black and Tans is a sign of his gung-ho approach to war and violence. Yes, I feel there is a certain justification there for classing Churchill as a warmonger and, while it might have suited his role as leader during the war, his was more the Wyatt Earp type protagonist, the man who could justify shooting with his rank and position, than a Mahatma Gandhi, who sought the peaceful solutions first.

Thanks for your opinions anyway. However, I believe insults do not enhance any discussion.

H H

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Pensionerbhoy,When you know your history,very, very true sad but true.Churchill was an egotist a glory seeker who would sacrifice anyone to further himself.
Yes we needed him or someone like him to fight the Hun hordes,the pacifists and appeasers would have us wearing jackboots and waving swasticas.
The right man at the right time,after that well no.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

mike,

“The right man at the right time…..”

In hindsight, I could not agree more but that does not exonerate him from his life of soldiering and his callous use of men and weapons of war. Spot on.

H H

charlie
7 years ago

great article sack lawell and hire pentionerbhoy now

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Terrific article and right on the button,I have no sympathy for Delia he appeared incapable of understanding the type of player necessary or the modern/any game of fooball,to sign the likes of GMS small/weak/slow/limited ability then repeat this over and over has no defence,get proper players in and the game will take care of itself.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  john young

But john, no matter how bad or how much hurt he has caused, it was not his intention. He was with Celtic for two years and I think, in the spirit with which the support has always acted, we should be respectful when he finally departs, albeit perhaps silently. Let’s not stoop to the level of some so called fans elsewhere.

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

God, charlie, have you not had enough? 🙂

Listen, I cannot even climb the stairs to the stand now so what chance “running” out of a tunnel. Is there wheelchair access into the dugout and oxygen tanks on the bench? 🙂

Thanks for the thought. 🙂

H H

Bigdunno
7 years ago

Great article Pensionerbhoy.

The only thing I disagree with is that RD should allowed to go quietly. The man served our club to the best of his ability. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that he should have gone (and before now) he deserves our thanks for the effort he put in. As you have eloquently stated, he is not alone for putting the club where it is at the moment and should not shoulder all of the blame.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Bigdunno

Bigdunno

I don’t seem to be all that good at this writing lark. I had hoped to get your sentiments across. When I said “quietly”, I meant without some of the abusive comments from our supporters – and I am sorry but I fail to see them as anything else. He may certainly not deserve very many plaudits but I do think he should be shown respect and allowed to depart with dignity. He may have failed in his aims but, after all, he was one of us a for the last two years and I thought it was always the Celtic way to show appreciation.

Thank you for your kind words.

H H

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mike
7 years ago

Pensionerbhoy,I doff my cap to you,as rants go it was intelligent and accurate.
All the supporters i talk with know where the problems lye.If ever there was a way to run a fiba club the wrong way,then this is it.
It should be this way.
Accountants do accounting,Footballers do the fitba side,ie Manage the team,buy the players,run the whole fitba side of things.
The communicating between Board and the support are non existent.
The P.R.is not adequate,the media run all over us,it is a joke.What do the Board do,what is there purpose,who does what? it all seems to me to be an Auld boys club for (sorry Pensioners)we need supporters like you to explain to them the reasons why Celtic exist and that they are making us a laughing stock,tell them to please wake up.
How can it be fixed is simple,get the right fitba manager in let a Director of fiba orginise the whole fitba side and let the bean counters go back to counting the beans.
H.H.to you Pensionerbhoy a man of wit.intelligence a true Tim.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

mike

Dundee looks more beautiful each day. Thank you. A true Tim that is hurting and worried as much as any on here I can assure you. Nor am I encouraged by the apparent front runners to take over. I confess not to know who would be a good candidate – I totally lack the knowledge – but I would first and foremost like to see a pair of good working balls that can challenge those on the top floor. After that, someone who would put the petulant players in their place, chose his own, efficient back room staff, realises, when it comes to tactics, there are horses for courses, understands the meaning of a consistent team and chucking rotation out as far as he can throw it and can motivate players to play for the jersey even if they do not understand why. Just a few of the qualities I would look for at interview 🙂 Not asking much, eh!

Take care mike and take it easy, especially on that dodgy liver of yours, or you’ll be as auld and decrepit as me soon :).

H H

John A
7 years ago

Agree, RD despite his own massive failings should be given a good send off. Done in the Celtic way. I have never felt so disillusioned with all this. Team needs gutted alright, who of our God knows how many midfielders would you keep? Very little! Apart from Griff, chase the rest of the forwards out. New right back needed, unfortunately Lustig now needs replaced, Boyata should go to, Efe should go. Collins and Kennedy need to go.. Lawwell and half this Tory board need to go so we can get our club back. How much is likely to happen? Very little I suspect. Does no one else have concerns about us putting a gambling firm on our shirts? I enjoy a bet now and then but promoting something like this on our beloved hoops!disillusioned is what I am.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  John A

John A

The list of flaws seems to go on and on these days. But have faith. Celtic has always manged to turn things around. Unfortunately, as Ralph (not sure which one :)) says in the diary, it never seems to learn and we go through this cleansing process time after time. Maybe, well perhaps, there will be permanent lessons learned this time. One has to keep the faith.

H H

Steve
7 years ago

I can’t believe that people are suggesting someone who insinuates sympathy for the Nazis is being touted as a CFC board memeber. Insightful stuff.

Frontier Psychiatrist
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Medication time.

Medication time.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble comes to mind.

Paul1888
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Spot on Andybhoy

HH

Paul1888
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

What are you talking about????

Frontier Psychiatrist
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I always find it extremely selfish when people like Steve cease to take their medication believing themselves to be cured.

Looks like we need to call Nurse Ratchet.

Medication time.
Medication time.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve,
I think you are a bored member!

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve,

Please, please turn your computer round the right way. You seem to be reading my post back to front or upside down, perhaps. Could you point out where I even hinted at your ridiculous suggestion? Come on. Comment on what I wrote, please, not on what the little man inside your head told you. I get enough of that from the wife. However, there is hope for you yet, I am still married to her.

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve,

I did respond and I do hope my comment appears. I think it could do you good to see it.

H H

John Mccloy in tasmania
7 years ago

Well done PB.you have succinctly covered every thing that is wrong with Celtic to date.one small nitpick.although the master plan wasn,t working we had players on the field who were capable of winning any game no matter the circumstances.that they couldn’t,or wouldn’t,adapt their play to suit seems to be the crux of the matter. Hopefully whoever takes charge can command a bit more respect and kick 4 3 2 1 into the long grass for ever.we should be steamrollering the opposition with our budget.these last two years has seen some of the worst displays I have seen since the early sixties albeit from a distance.yours in hope John HH

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago

John

I obviously did not express myself very succinctly. I honestly thought i was saying just that. I firmly believe failure had more to do with Ronny’s weakness and inability to get the players on board, combined with their very serious lack of cooperation plus the incomprehensible formation, than perhaps any other factor. Sorry it did not come across clearly enough.

I think the one thing we had under Jimmy McGrory, no matter how poor the results, many more players then did play for the jersey and for the love of the game. That was a massive difference for me.

H H

rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Pensioner,

Great article! Not a rant at all, IMHO.

One thing I’d disagree with is the role of sports science etc. I think it has a part to play but only as one of many tools.

On players playing for the jersey and the game etc….sadly, with a few exceptions, that is dead. It used to be that doctors and nurses joined as a vocation, now it is often just about money and working conditions.

Rebus

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

Rebus 67

sometimes rants lead to exaggeration and exaggeration leads to stretching the truth. I fear I have done just that in many parts of my article. I could not and would not disagree with your comment.

Thank you.

H H

john young
7 years ago

John McCloy with all due respet we most definitely didn,t have the players on the park that could deliver,why?well they had proved it so many times over and over that they had neither the ability/character to deliver in what was a hugely vital game in more ways than one.This had been an ongoing scenario or the best part of 2yrs yet it was never addressed,that in itself was proof to me anyway that RD just didn,t see the failings or did but was helpless to counteract them,either way he was a huge failure.

Devoy45
7 years ago

Pensionerbhoy a perfect article. But our support is fair-minded and decent and should send Ronny Deila off with a Ronny roar when the title is clinched. it didn’t work out but save a real kick in the baws for our executives and a good number of players. Sunday:
Gordon
Another right back/Sviatchenko/Mulgrew/Tierney
Roberts/Armstrong/Allan/Rogic
Commons/Griffiths
Christie to come on for Commons

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy45 Armstrong?really aother mentally/physically average player,Rogic slow and lacking any consistency,Commons long gone,Allan / don,t know anything other than he was a while in the championship,I re-iterate we need to get a different type of player in,strong/fast/athletic/commited,few of the above have any of these and you wonder why we are as poor as we are,ffs.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy,

I am certain they will. That is what makes us Celtic and not by any other name.

Many thanks

H H

Honest Hoops
7 years ago

Devoy45,
Your line up is spot on, pensionerboy= legend, great article I’m of the kind if you wish to leave, just go now, that’s me though

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Honest Hoops

Honest Hoops,

Very grateful for your ultra kind comment. I can stop peeing myself now though mike and Monti chipped in a few weeks back for a pair of incontinence briefs for me. At least I am comfortable in my confusion.

H H

7 years ago

Tory parasites with no interest in football fleecing fans who love their club !nearly fifty,home and away and Europe until the LNS lies .Dermot Desmond and his minions helped the corruption and theft by the dead cheats and humiliated good Celtic fans in doing so .done with it !its yours Tory maggots!

Patrick Smyth
7 years ago

Fair enough – rant away – but I disagree with your hope that we turn exclusively to youngsters as the way forward. You acknowledge we will lose games and consequently league titles – for you a price worth paying.
Not for me it isn’t – or – I suspect – the majority of our supporters. Perhaps a bit naiave for a pensioner??
It won’t take as much as some people think – right manager, playing either of our favoured, tried and tested formations ie 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 with players in correct positions.
We are financially and organisationally miles ahead of everyone else in Scottish Football.
It’ really shouldn’t be rocket science?!!
Roy Aitken for me – feed the bear – the last truly great captain of our club imo
HH

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Smyth

Nonsense.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Smyth

Patrick Smyth,
Do you not think the Bear has been out the Celtic scene a bit too long?

Patrick Smyth
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

He has been away a while (as has Moyes??)…
But he is I believe- a good fit for us.
“Nonsense” – not a very constructive comment – surely we can at least acknowledge different viewpoints without dismissing them in a word.
Just an opinion guys…

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Smyth

Patrick,
Moyes has been at the sharp end of the game for well over a decade now, Aitken hasn’t.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Smyth

Nonsense is as constructive as it needs to be.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Smyth

Patrick,

I was only highlighting how badly our spending had proved over many seasons now. Of course we could never progress without good experienced players to bring on the youngsters. I was trying to emphasis a point with what I thought was clear exaggeration. It seems the water was actually very muddy. sorry for that and thank you for your kind words.

H H

Iancelt1967
7 years ago

Ronny Deila how many words can you make up. Quiz. Lie die ail rid derail liar. Nerd dare no deal raid

chorleybhoy
7 years ago

well said PB (the words on Churchill accurate poster steve should learn more) I too am a long time Celtic supporter I agree the atmosphere around CP is beginning to feel like the bad old days pre Jock Stein
and the awful early 90’s. Too many players are not good enough and the signing policy is baffling I give you Carlton Cole, Cifci Boerritger,Boyata Ambrose you know the names. Sundays’performance was a disgrace no spirit no fight, a long time since I witnessed a surrender so complete and a long time since I felt so low after a Celtic Performance. As far as the new manager is concerned No to Moyes no to Keane. if i could pick? why not try for Paul Lambert.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  chorleybhoy

No to Moyes?
No to Keane?
But Lambert is a yes?

Oh dear!

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  chorleybhoy

chorleybhoy,

Thank you. I pretty well go along with you on the state of the club and the team. I have to keep out of the managerial debate right now for I do not have the knowledge to make a judgement. I truly hope the board does mmmmmmm!

H H

DanTheMan
7 years ago
Reply to  chorleybhoy

Lambert is another really successful manager Not! Aston Villa were amazing under him and Blackburn are heading for the top. Add to that the fact he does not want to return Notth of the border and he would be ideal for The Celtic Job?????☘☘☘

Iancelt1967
7 years ago

Dealer

Iancelt1967
7 years ago

Dire

Jagsbhoy
7 years ago

Great article Pensionerbhoy. I agreed with almost all of it. The piece I found most interesting was your summary of facilities and sports science. I have always found that natural ability can very seldom be enhanced. You can either play football or you can’t and many of this current squad plainly can’t. The idea that sports science will have you at your peak fitness level is utter nonsense I believe. If it supposedly works why did most of the players at the weekend look absolutely knackered after 70 minutes. I am 53 and run 10k’s regularly and seem to have more core fitness than these so called athletes. They may beat me in a sprint but I reckon I could outlast them in a longer distance sport. I also wholly agree with your take on tactics and believe that they should change to fit the opponent and not be regimented as a one tactic fits all situations. Finally the two people I want to leave the club now more than anyone are Peter Lawwell and John Park. Between them they have been responsible for the worst recruitment period I can ever remember and I think they must have Dudu Duhan and Lawwell Jr. on speed dial. These two men take over 1.5 million pounds out of the club each year and their judgement must be called into question and we should be asking what return do we as fans get from this. Who is Lawwell accountable to for bringing the club down the way he has. One minor footnote: It grieves me to see so many tories on the board when the club was set up on a charitable basis. Hail Hail

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  Jagsbhoy

jagsbhoy great post mate

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Jagsbhoy

jagsbhoy

Great complementary piece. All the technical accoutrements, I imagine, can highlight weaknesses. I do have my doubts whether they can truly enhance performance levels. Natural ability is simply there and just needs coaxing or coaching out. Stamina can be gained from everyday activities. God, up till I was in my thirties and the fags kicked in, I could run like a whippet even though I looked more like a chawawa. I got that from racing buses because my ma and da could not afford my bus money to get to and from school. I just wanted to prove I didn’t need one by getting home before the bus – not impossible at school times when there were a lot of stops and lots of passengers getting on and off. I enhanced this by playing five a side or headers practically every night if my ma did not drag me off to chapel and then I again tried to beat the buses getting home. At weekends, because there was little else to do unless you could afford the matinee films, it was a full morning and afternoon playing football and in the evening headers or keepy-upy or wall tennis. In the summer, we would go on hikes from morning till night up hill and down dale and were still ready for more until ma started yelling for us to get in. I know it is not so easy today with the shortage of public parks and the volume of traffic on the roads and the dodgy characters we hear so much about – God, we sure had our fair share in our day too. We just did not hear so much about them. Anyway, I never did any kind of science. I could not tell you a thing about the periodic – we men did not have those problems 🙂 – nor any other table. But when the gamy or the cops were after us, even Bobby Lennox would have struggled to catch us. I hope you get my point in all of this nonsense.

Thanks for your kind remarks.

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Jagsbhoy

jagsbhoy

Reply lost for the moment. It should pop up sometime. If not, thanks for your kind comments.

H H

joratim
7 years ago

Well done auld yin good to know you and I are still singing from the same hymnsheet.

Hope all is good with you

Joratim

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  joratim

Joratim

Hiya pal!

Where have you been hiding. I have really missed your comments and your far superior knowledge and understanding of the game. I hope you are well and still wielding the big rod when required. Please comment more and let us all benefit from your experience and wisdom.

Just great to hear from you again. I do hope continue to say your piece. This is the first post I have done for a very long time though some think my comments are longer than posts. You well know, I am just mouthy.

Take care and I hope to see your name in print far more often from heron in.

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

“Here on” dummy!!!

“heron” – obsessed with birds these days 🙂

H H

Shug
7 years ago

You bet we played our part, a huge section of our support stopped attending and of those that did attend most forgot what being a fan of Celtic actually is, mainly because there was no DiedCo around, a disgrace in my view.

I get some fans are disgruntled at the board for good reason, I get for some kick off times are a problem but come on we are nowhere near the same type of support other managers have had behind them.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Shug

The Park has never been the same since the days of the Jungle. Admittedly, the initial atmosphere in the new stadium was fantastic, but then the atmosphere and passion was slowly diluted in games outwith Europe and against them. Can it improve, here’s hoping, with a manager who doesn’t induce a trance like state on our support and the safe standing area getting it’s place in the ground and who knows, if it is a success, maybe we’ll get the Jungle back in the front section of the North Stand.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Would love that!

Shug
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Hi AndyBhoy

It’s up to each individual supporter to make the effort and improve the atmosphere and not leave it to someone else, watching Celtic is show much more fun when the support really get moving.

God Bless

7 years ago

Couldn’t have put it better myself (which is why I don’t even try).
Like yourself, I’ve been about for awhile following this team we love, eight out of the fourteen they have been in existence (I may have lifted you over!). In all that time I have never felt so disconnected from those who are running our club. The Kellys and Whytes while in the main mediocrities, small minded and with little vision had Celtic in their hearts.
Compare this with the profit facing plutocrats who see us as”customers ” to be cajoled into adding to their bottom line – and they are not very good even at that.
These are dark times to be a Celtic supporter.

Delbhoy
7 years ago

I would like to see us try a 4 3 3 with armstrong and gms down the left together , that way hes not pushed so wide and they , would link well together. Like wise on yhe right roberts and christie or rogic

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

GMS, no thanks.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy,
GMS is a very good player, the clueless one has baffled him with systems.
All he should be saying to the guy is, get on the fucking ball, go past full backs on the outside and whip balls onto the strikers heads and pull it back low to onrushing supporting midfielders, if you can’t do that, out!

Shug
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti

He may be a half decent player but he has no heart for the battle in my view, hides when the going get tough.

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Both him and Armstrong are D Utd class players so that I their level.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

I think Mackay-Stevens has struggled to cope with the level of expectation placed upon players at Celtic.
It’s easier being the star man at a small Club than it is being a squad player at a Big Club.
He’s looked shell shocked at times in games and woefully short of the form he has shown at United.
Good in flashes but as of yet not consistent for any length of time.

BroxburnBhoy
7 years ago

I agree with most of the article. On sports science I think if one has footballing ability them eating well, sleeping well and training based on researched performance data will enhance that skill and build on it. For high performance the basics must be right diet, lifestyle and sleep. Yes there wa an era when footballers ate chips and drank beer and smoked – that ear is over. All of the worlds best team utilize sports scene to gain competitive advantage. Celtic should be no different. What puzzles me more is how our team looked less fit. I can only conclude it was done wrong or simply rejected.

Monti
7 years ago

Pensionerbhoy,
Good morning to you sir,
I have to disagree with you when you say the squad needs a clear out, Craig Gordon is a top class goalkeeper who has suffered from having Circus acts like Ambrose and Boyata play in front of him.
Craig is the number one goalkeeper at the club, I’d have Fasan as number two and the development keeper pushing Fasan. Bailey out.
In defence, The return of Saidi Janko should cement the RB position as Tierney has at left back.
Simunovic and Sviatchenko can hopefully forge a strong central defence, however the jury is out on Simunovic so I’d make a big signing at Central defence and have the three of them battle it out for two positions.
Ambrose, Boyata, Mulgrew, Blackett and Izaguirre out!
In midfield, GMS, Forrest,Armstrong,Bitton,Christie,Allan, Henderson should be retained, Roberts I’d send back to Man City, not because he is poor but because we should only be developing our own players.
Brown, Johansen out.
I may have missed one or two bit I’m in a hurry.
Up front, Ciftci, Scepovic out, Stokes kept for the squad which leaves us with Griffiths.

The team must be built from the back, a signing or two or three in midfield and for me a striker partnership returning to our formation. HH

P.S. Remember and get along to B&Q today for your 15% off 🙂

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti

I am on 25%. That is what you get for loyalty no matter how bad the product :).

When I speak of a clear-out, it is not based on ability but on attitude. If players do not want to play for the club, then, no matter how good, get rid of them. If players only play when or for whom it suits them, then they should not be tolerated either. It is quite clear this was the situation at Celtic park for more than most this season. If these types will not play for the current manager, who is to guarantee they will for anyone else. Unfortunately it is not the sheer desire to play football and for the jersey that dictates performances today but whether or not the already very generous salaries and transfer fees can be enhanced. That, in my aging opinion, is why so many are perfectly happy to take the “Celtic shilling” while parking there spreading arses either on the bench or on the treatment table. Ach, maybe some of you are right. Maybe I am just too auld and cynical but I can remember when there seemed to be a little honesty in the game, at least in some of the clubs and players. I mean when footballers gave their all for the team. Dreams!

H H

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Pensionerbhoy,
I hear you, it’s time Celtic got back in touch with Celtic! HH

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti

thanks and I think that is at the heart of all our current woes. We are in many ways a house divided at the moment and we need to re-engage.

Keep calm, my friend. mike’s high enough for all of us just now 🙂

H H

jrw
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

All very good and fair assessments today. I agree with all that you have said.

joebhoy
7 years ago

Great article, lucid, thought provoking and hits the spot more often than not..The board or shoukld that be Lawwell has been ( in my best cockanay accent) mugging us off for seasons iinit Gov..

He is at once profligate with terrible signings then pasriminuos when we need qyuiality..The buck stoips with him

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

A fish rots from the head down.
As with any other faltering business to find the rot of the problem you only need to follow the money.
Who benefits the most at Celtic regardless of how the team plays?
Who makes the real decisions that affect the product on the pitch
Who is responsible for the mediocrity we have been force fed these past few years?
Deila had a good plan it was doable at Celtic as being the dominant force in Scotland we had the leg room for transition.
It never materialised and he as a Manager accepts the responsibility for his part in that.
Rightly he has had some stick for that.
Wrongly some have a tendency to take it beyond a bit of stick.
Unfortunately we are stuck with them.
We have an absentee landlord in Desmond
We have a greedy bastard for CEO
We have an overpaid halfwit for a chief scout in Parks
Not a fantastic recipe for the success most if not all Tims want from Celtic.
We also have a support with a great many with unreal expectations I feel,I have felt this for many a year now and it has only increased further the older I get.
We are no longer a Big Club in European terms we haven’t been for long time now.
Football or should I say the finances within Football have left Celtic behind and we are not alone in that situation Clubs like Ajax have also been left behind trapped by their own Domestic situation.
This has caused Clubs like ours to rethink the strategy regarding Finances.
Our strategy is not working Peter Lawwell is directly responsible for that and he should pay the price for it’s failure.
We have the biggest Budget in Scotland because we are the Biggest Club in Scotland however that does not necessarily mean we have the best players in Scotland by comparison.
We do not buy top quality any more in fact truth be told we never have.
When O’Neills side was built we brought in proven talent at reasonable money Sutton Hartson Lennon wee not top end players when they came in.
Our last major spend on a single player was Scott Brown 7 year ago.
That spend was small fry by comparison to what our Competition was spending on the continent and down south.
Now our major investments are costing us half what Brown cost then?
We spent £1m on Leigh Griffiths now whilst he has had a terrific season on the domestic front in European terms he is a no mark.
In effect the Clubs aspirations have been cut back year on year whilst the fan expectation bolstered by the odd success in Europe has never wilted.
We currently have a squad bursting with bang average talent.
Millions have been wasted buying mediocrity in the hope we find a gem,polish it then sell it for massive profit.
Problem is in finding the odd gem we now have a squad full of coal.
Sure you can burn it and keep the old house warm on a cold day but we still need to find a Gem to fix the leaky roof.
Deila will go (as was always going to be the case at some point)but the issues that existed before he came will still be there when he arrived.
Anyone reading this waffle who thinks any different is sadly deluded.
We need to have clearout.
We need to reduce our squad size and we need to whenever it is financially possible reinforce our squad with PROVEN QUALITY.
No more mediocre signings please,no more scattergun approach to scouting and ffs no more greed at Board Level.
Dermot Desmond you need to make your mind up whether it’s a train set you want or a well run football club?
If it’s the former then please do gtf
If it’s the latter please do SORT IT FUCKING OUT.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie Saiz,
What about donkey’s tho? 🙂

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

comment image

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Test

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

🙂

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

C Z

I see more than a lot of wisdom in what you say – of course Monti is sure to make a derogatory remark but you must be so black and blue by now as nit to feel any more. When you lay out the whole lot together it is a bit frightening. However, believe me we will come through it all. I have seen it many times but, as Ralph says, it is time we made the changes once and for all. We should be for ever walking tall not staggering along from year to year.

Thanks for your comprehensive comment.

H H

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Cheers lol I take anything Monti has to say with a 5kg bag of salt though bud.
We disagreed on one or two things Deila and Formation but see eye to eye on things I think matter a whole lot more regarding the running of Celtic and the direction we have been headed in.
This summer could well be a massive truning point in many ways for Celtic as Dermot Desmond through his absence these past few years will have had time to look in from outside the fishbowl like so many of us do as fans?
Hopefully he see’s what most of us see’s and has an inclination to put things right?
The Board needs a clearout we need Football people on it not just investors or accountants.
The scouting department also needs looking at perhaps put a Lubo or McClair type in there ie and get back to the basics of watching the potential like days gone by?
W e need to employ an experienced Manager this time and he that is Dermot needs to demand spending on quality where we are currently lacking on the pitch.
No more half measures,no more blowing millions on mediocrity and shite.
Here is a list of the permanent signings since John Park arrived:
2007-08
McDonald Brown Killen Donatti Doumbe Hinkel Mizuno Hutchison Samaras Robson
2008-09
McCourt Crosas Loovens Maloney McGinn Flood
2009-10
Zaluska Fortune Fox Zhi Ki Hooiveld Rogne Rasmussen
2010-11
Mulgrew Cha Ledley Murphy Juarez Hooper Kayal Majstorovic Izaguirre
Forster Stokes Kapo Ljungberg Watt Commons
2011-12
Wilson Matthews McGeough Wanyama Bangura Blackman Lustig Ibrahim
2012-13
Ambrose Lassad Rogic
2013-14
Balde Van Dijk Mouyokolo Boerrigter Bitton Pukki Fridjonsson Johansen Griffiths
2014-15
Gordon Scepovic Mackay-Steven Armstrong
2015-16
Boyata Janko Bailly Ciftci Allan Christie Simunovic Cole Sviatchenko Richards Ajer

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Wisdom? Norman Wisdom maybe….

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti

I knew it. Just can’t resist, can you 🙂

H H

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Admit it you googled wisdom Monti.

BJF
7 years ago

Really worried agree with nearly everything Monti sadi, must be an imposter,Monti John Collins has hacked…. by the way how do so many people know what John Collins says or thinks. Decent player, left us a bit for his own enrichment, a first for a footballer but how do so many people know what he is doing, thinking and saying,amazing.
Any reference to Churchill gets my goat, he and his fellow cowards succumbed to the Curragh mutiny contributing to the Irish civil war and the 20s,60s,70s and 80s “Troubles”. Some legacy,what about his tax evasion and no one else in Britain could have stood up to the Nazis, poor show if that were true. by the way the Polish officers he allowed to be murdered send their regards to the old B as well.
Throughout hi time at Celtic Ronnie has been a class act in terms of his behaviour and he retained that to the end, those in power thought he would be a good number 2, they should not have pushed him as manager given his lack of track record. They got away with it with Neil Lennon but once was enough.
We are back where we belong 8 points ahead and going for our 5 th title in a row,I hope Ronnie’s successor does the same, wins the league every year he is in charge.He is not the only Celtic manager to lose to lower league teams,it was this year’s European campaign and the support voting with their feet that did for him.I hope they don’t all suddenly reappear because they think “Rangers” have resurfaced but they will pretend it is the new manager i guess.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

Churchill was a racist cunt.
History unfortunately is always recorded by the victors.
You only have to look at history lessons in school to realise all the unwanted and unsavoury bits are conveniently left out or skirted over.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Bomber Harris was also a bot of a cunt!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Indeed.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Gees guys! If I had realised it was Churchill I was writing about, I could have included all the photos of the many cunts I have seen over the years. It would have been like two birds with one stone or in a bush maybe 🙂

H H

Shug the mug
7 years ago

Great post PB. As regards playing style, my brother was an S-Form at Hibs back in the 70’s when Eddie Turnbull was in charge. Apparently he used to line the youngsters up on the goal line and get then to race to the 18 yard box or some other point. When they set off, Eddie would kick the ball past them and say “Boys, you can never beat the ball”. Message was that if you move the ball quickly and well, no-one can live with you. How often have we watched the laboured build-up of the past 2, 3 and even 5 seasons? Up the tempo!!

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Shug the mug

Thank you Shug. Big Jock always said let the ball do the work. It is simple physics. A ball will not tire and can be simply replaced with an equivalent if damaged. Human beings are just not made like that. Solved! However, it is somewhat more complicated when you look at the means of propulsion. That is down to the frail capabilities of humans. Not solved!

Thanks.

H H

Raymobhoy
7 years ago

Churchill was also responsible for the starvation of millions of Indians by diverting food from India during the war. His reply was that they breed like rabbits anyway.

On the board, we are Lions led by Donkeys.

On skill. Rangers passed on the deck, we gave passes at waist height for players to try and control, gave passes away, gave hospital balls to players that were surrounded and players wait for the ball to come to them instead of moving towrards it. The result, either the ball gets intercepted or the opponent is nearly on them. I have seen this all season.

Also long balls up to Griffiths. This only works if there is a big fella with him to knock the balls down to him, as with Sutton and Larson etc.

If we cant get the basic skills right what hope do we have.

Also not going to be popular, but i think the 10 in a row thinking is maybe a noose around out our neck which will be more important than building a solid team, and in doing so make it less likely to acvieve 10 in a row.

Am still gutted the leagues we have lost to them since O’Neils first win. I think they were all avoidable and we would be well over the 10 by now.

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  Raymobhoy

diverting food from India during the war.

to where?

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

Troops

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I hope it was out of date!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

In the Great Famine in the mid 1800’s an estimated 6-8 million died under the RAJ.
During the highest peak of Famine the British Empire DOUBLED it’s grain export FROM INDIA to England.
Though you will never read that in a history text book in a UK school.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Cruel Britannia right enough.

Wisnae me
7 years ago

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Not for a long time have the fans been so disconnected from the club and the sport as a whole. There is even internal division about whether a “win at all costs” mentality is better than a “build around youth” strategy as the latter may cost us the ‘precious’ 10 in a row.

The fans are upset at the board for a multitude of reasons: the failure to adequately invest in the team; the failure to stand up to the SPFL regarding Rangers’ rule breaking and subsequent Sevco agreement; the treatment of fans by the police; the treatment of fans by the club, in particular the Green Brigade; the lack of action with respect to the historic charitable roots of the club; the refusal to listen to fans’ outrage about tory board members (misplaced) and labour warmongers (not misplaced); etc.

(Scottish) Football may be an unfair game with the supposedly neutral people in charge obviously favouring one entity over others, but that has always been the case. However rather than galvanise the support to stand up against it it has left many disillusioned by the scale of it and the lack of interest by the so-called stewards or ‘our’ club. More so given the recent revelations of the scale of cheating and the lengths they are willing to go to to keep some Rangers-flavoured entity in it.

Due to the above crowds are down and the diehards who keep going seem to do it out of habit rather than passion. There is a malaise setting in and something needs to be done. Something has to spark the fans, the board need to step up and support the fans (against the police, the SNP, and/or the football authorities), the team need to put on some sparkling performances to make Parkhead box office gold, the fans need to buy the club, the club has to make itself more charitable. Heck, paying the staff a living wage would be a start.

Will the ‘return’ of a team from the south of Glasgow make a difference? The media certainly think/hope so. Some fans hope it will encourage investment from the board in the playing side fo the business. Me, I can’t see it. “Rangers” need too much investment to put up a challenge to Aberdeen next season. Celtic will romp the league, again, and fail miserably in Europe because the board will invest enough in the new manager to allow for domestic success with an outside chance of Champions’ League riches. Increasing the gamble to make the CL more likely threatens the financial stability the board of the club were brought in to make happen, and hence their renumeration is dependant upon it. While there is value in long term stability it cannot come at the price of obselescence.

Celtic cannot become another club. A 20-30,000 per fortnight, keep the lights on mediocrity. Celtic have to strive for greatness, even at the expense of titles. Celtic have to be the Alex Higgins to other clubs’ Steve Davis. We are here to entertain the fans. We are here to feed the poor. We are here because of a shared bond not based in success or hatred of the other, but a bond of community and support, of skill and joy, of bringing on our own and supporting them through and through. but to do this the whole organisation has to be pulling in the same direction. The fans cannot demand to win, we have to right to win. The board cannot take the fans for granted, the board should be fans, should represent fans, should listen to fans. The team cannot be purely mercenary, sure we should buy players, but they must buy into the ethos of the club, but before we can ask them to do that the club must bloody well live the ethos of the club. This means helping the local community, this means paying a living wage to our ‘family’ who work there to make everyone’s day out better. This means not treating fans as cash cows and taking them for granted. This means getting players to buy into the charity work, and maybe, sometimes, let the media know. Get the message out there that Celtic are different and maybe some of these millionaire players will actually want to join a club that cares more about the bottom rung than the bottom line.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Wisnae me

Wisnae Me,

Heartfelt stuff, my friend. Cheers!

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Ralph Malph

Ralph

Don’t you start or I’ll need the tin helmet out again 🙂

H H

mike
7 years ago

Ralph,

Remember the millions killed in the first world war began with a country led by a Monarch who had a huge chip on his shoulder a war that they prepared for at least 15 years prior to the official start.
The second world war started by a despot who was responsible for killing 20 million Russians,12 million jews and the many, many millions of peoples either killed or displaced.
The lesson is simple,dinny have any mair wars.

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike like all wars the bankers/financiers were behind them.

Delbhoy
7 years ago

Its n longer abut spending money at Celtic , we aren n the same world as the big guns so what is the point in wasting millions , the focus has to be the youngsters. Tierney has been our beat defender in years , we need others to come in. Bring Henderson back, promote guys like wardrope and nesbit t the squad , layers who will give that extra ten percxent for the shirt !. Ps someone bring tony watt home

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

Its no longer abut spending money at Celtic

lawwell 2mil a year. or did you mean on the team.

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago

Ralph,

Believe me I have not been on an ego trip this afternoon. I was just grateful for not making a complete fool of myself. I wanted to reply to and thank as many people as possible who went to the trouble of first of all reading my post and then commenting whether for or against. Some drew more reaction from me than others, of course.

I have to go now. Medication time, so a big thanks to everyone who commented. I fear you may regret it, for once ranting, I am prone not to stop as the wife says each night before we go to sleep. Oh, I do love a good rant with her 🙂

H H everyone! Remember, tomorrow’s another day. I just hope Sunday is not another eh, SUNDAY!!

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago

Ralph

I guess I must have said too much. Post gone again!

H H

Celtic125
7 years ago

Scottish football has talked shite for thirty years now and this week has been a new high point. Some folk should really know better. I remember through their 9 us dominating games and regularly having the lion share of possession only to finish the game beaten. On Sunday, Sevco had 63% to our 37% but we had 33 goal attempts to their 9. I believe the Board have been pursuing a policy of changing the mindset of the entire Club away from the humiliated British model to a Continental one. That transistion was neither going to be without pain or completed in a fortnight. Scabs, lazy bastards and the usual dunderheids helped the Meeja and the standard apparatchiks completely undermined the plan from day one. People with an inside knowledge of the day to day running of the Club will know better than anyone who the scabs were. The lazy bastards are Sutton, Hartson, Walker and Burley. Get a real job!
The dunderheids are the 30 thousand who only ever turn up if victory is a decent prospect.
I have yet to see anyone provide any kind of explanation of why it was necessary to get rid of Berget. Although, I can easily remember the cacophony of derision that welcomed him at Paradise. Be assured, like Ronny, he felt the love and bolted. I look forward to the day Ronny returns with another Club. Hopefully our Board stands resolute, appoints another left field Continental Coach and we can avoid another of the many embarrassments that have been a feature of our Clubs history since the mid eighties.
I don’t believe our Board runs our Club any worse or any better than any other outfit. The Board’s biggest failing, imo, is one they share with the majority of our support and that is bottle. I still can’t believe we rolled over on the LNS verdict. Appoint a Moyes,Lennon or Keane now and the Clubs future will follow Resolution 12 into the long grass and my chances of seeing the tic again before I die look well remote.
Sad as fuck.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

Plenty truth in that well said bud.
HH

Devoy45
7 years ago

Celtic125. Your article is original.There are some harsh truths in there, ones that won’t go away. One reason I bought into the ‘vision’ is I felt we needed a fundamental change and approach to our football. We still do. I don’t think Moyes or even Lenny will provide it.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Deila was never going to be the one to provide it.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Correct our fans don’t have the patience for such things.
Unless of course the next guy takes it on from where Deila left off.
That would be hilarious btw.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie Saiz,
How much do you make being a donkey on the beach? Do you get a free Ice cream?

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Evidently more than you make as a comedian 😉

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Because Diddy Deila fucked up, you’d be quite happy for the next man to carry on where the clueless one left off?
Maybe the next guy would be able to do a far better job (wouldn’t be hard) and successfully implement what needs to be done. That would be hilarious btw.

Vinnie
7 years ago

Great post, well thought-out and presented Pensionerbhoy.
It resonates all over the place with my own thoughts, but I’m not too articulate. For example, about using space, or maybe not doing so. If I had a penny for every time I’m shouting “run into space”. Even at throw-ins, how many go astray as no-one positions himself properly. Jeez, this is so basic but far more important than any diet or tactical talk will repair. If they can’t do that…………Oh well, you see it too. It’s exasperating.
And how many corners do we need before we convert just one?
(forget Erik’s recent effort) For years now, (well pre-RD’s era) corners can be like penalties against us and we squander them by the bucket-full.
Just hope, to borrow a well-known quote) that ‘something will turn up’ like the eternal optimist I was and want to be again.
HH

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Vinnie

Vinnie

On the playing side I could have written three books but I wanted to keep it short 🙂 I just do not get it. Modern football seems light years away from the basics I was taught and the style I watched way back then. It might have been technically as poor but, at least it was exciting to watch. Trying to imitate the continentals has been a disaster for Scottish football. We should be sorting the simple basics before making an arse of ourselves trying to be skillful. Players like the Lions are a very rare breed in this country and they slaughtered the continentals with simple, fast flowing, attractive football and the perfection of basic skills.

Thanks for your kind appraisal.

H H

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Pensionerbho whether its the continental wy r some other way the game does not change,the basics are control/pass/move/close the space,the quicker you move the ball and yourself the better you grow into the game,we run 30yds and pass it 5 if we are lucky generally back or to the side.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Vinnie

Boyata has been the most effective on corners since both Denaayer and Van Dijk left.
I think given time he may well come good.

7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Boyata is like effe M8 he does not have the concentration levels to be a top class player. If he could sort that out then maybe.
Effe the same he could be brilliant for 85 mins but the last 5 completely gone. Not trustworthy to be honest.
When Jose comes back,could be a good 3 centre backs in the making. Boyata Jose Mulgrew.
Lustig to play as the defensive sitting midfielder,as he has a good football brain but his legs have gone.Think he is too good a player to be let go. He could also play along the back 3, if required.
The system Ronnie set up,was useless,our players are so much better than that,and should have been used to their strengths,not what Ronnie saw has his strengths.
Ronnie was a one trick pony,and was quickly found out.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Watched the guy at Love Street pre season and you could see then he was a bombscare of the highest order.

7 years ago

Doffed cap to pensionerbhoy spent the train journey home from London reading this I had left war and peace at home.
Very good points made but some I disagree with.
To me the blame lies firmly with Delia.
If Collins was a troublesome number 2 and Kennedy week as a defensive coach,then he could have hunted them.
Sure Alan Thomson went from Lennys back room staff during a campaign. It wouldn’t have been the end of the world.
So please everyone stop blaming Collins and Kennedy.
Even though I wouldn’t have let Collins through the door,at Celtic park,after he fucked off to Monaco.
Kennedy,I think is getting a raw deal. There has been much improvement in the defence at set pieces recently. The guy has to deal with ever changing pairings at the back,so I think he gets a hard time.
There has been a change in fans behaviour,since the stadium was redeveloped. Out went the jungle,in came the hospitality boxes where I and many others once stood. The working class background like so many other clubs was being dismantled along with the green barriers we used to get sat on by our fathers. The green brigade started life,because the atmosphere had went at the redeveloped Celtic Park. So once again this just has not happened lately.
Res 12 without blogs like this I would never have heard off.
Like many other Celtic fans,who just buy the view, or the Scottish papers,then you ain’t going to know anything.
This is a report,that should have had more effort and energy,when it first came to light than now.
It will sound like sour grapes now to most people, as they beat us in which ever shape or form they claim to be.
I remember Aberdeen fans turning up at Celtic park,just after the vote was taken not to allow them back,with a banner saying,
Celtic your silence was deafening. It was all that was needed said.
This and this alone has brought the fans,to the point of no return with the board.
The rest will take Care of itself,but if your looking for fans to sing when the team is doing badly,then forget it,it’s hard enough to get them to sing when we are winning. Thank you GB.
So it’s Ronnie to blame for me, the brand of football promised,never came to light.
3 games this season where I enjoyed, Aberdeen in Oct we beat them 3-1 Hearts at Celtic Park where the ref Bobby Madden let the tackles fly in,it was exciting and got you off your seat, and the first half against Malmo where we blew them away,only to be scuppered by Ronnie having to bring on Effe,and Cifti
So nobody’s fault but Ronnie for me,he is a clown.

7 years ago

Only person to blame Ronnie that’s who.
Stop the nonsense the guys a clown,and should have been removed long ago.
HH

7 years ago

Doffed cap to pensionerbhoy spent the train journey home from London reading this I had left war and peace at home.
Very good points made but some I disagree with.
To me the blame lies firmly with Delia.
If Collins was a troublesome number 2 and Kennedy week as a defensive coach,then he could have hunted them.
Sure Alan Thomson went from Lennys back room staff during a campaign. It wouldn’t have been the end of the world.
So please everyone stop blaming Collins and Kennedy.
Even though I wouldn’t have let Collins through the door,at Celtic park,after he fucked off to Monaco.
Kennedy,I think is getting a raw deal. There has been much improvement in the defence at set pieces recently. The guy has to deal with ever changing pairings at the back,so I think he gets a hard time.
There has been a change in fans behaviour,since the stadium was redeveloped. Out went the jungle,in came the hospitality boxes where I and many others once stood. The working class background like so many other clubs was being dismantled along with the green barriers we used to get sat on by our fathers. The green brigade started life,because the atmosphere had went at the redeveloped Celtic Park. So once again this just has not happened lately.
Res 12 without blogs like this I would never have heard off.
Like many other Celtic fans,who just buy the view, or the Scottish papers,then you ain’t going to know anything.
This is a report,that should have had more effort and energy,when it first came to light than now.
It will sound like sour grapes now to most people, as they beat us in which ever shape or form they claim to be.
I remember Aberdeen fans turning up at Celtic park,just after the vote was taken not to allow them back,with a banner saying,
Celtic your silence was deafening. It was all that was needed said.
This and this alone has brought the fans,to the point of no return with the board.
The rest will take Care of itself,but if your looking for fans to sing when the team is doing badly,then forget it,it’s hard enough to get them to sing when we are winning. Thank you GB.
So it’s Ronnie to blame for me, the brand of football promised,never came to light.
3 games this season where I enjoyed, Aberdeen in Oct we beat them 3-1 Hearts at Celtic Park where the ref Bobby Madden let the tackles fly in,it was exciting and got you off your seat, and the first half against Malmo where we blew them away,only to be scuppered by Ronnie having to bring on Effe,and Cifti
So nobody’s fault but Ronnie for me,he is a clown.
Here’s the extended version to try and get into the long responses of the day.

7 years ago

Pensionerbhoy great post my very long response to it went into cyberspace thank the Lord,as it was full of my nonsense anyway.
Only point I would make,on the fans supporting our team even when we were duff. Don’t you think, that the redevelopment of the ground,has had a huge influence on what happened then to now. Where I stood in my early years in the Jungle,are now hospitality boxes. The core of our fans, the guys like my father God rest his soul,were hard working class guys. Down the pits the steelworks, the railways Mon to Fri then the football on a Saturday. That way of supporting Celtic died along with the jungle,and the sky cameras dictating when you play.
The Green Brigade God bless them,brought it back,only to be arrested and criminalised for doing so.
The old ways are gone,it is not the fans fault,but how much the game has changed not just at Celtic but all around the world.
The corporates have took over,and the heart is still there,but the soul is lost. HH

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

jimmybee

brilliant points. I would go as far as to say seating was the beginning of the fall of fan involvement. It was pretty impossible, huddled together or crushed up even in the most inclement weather, to not get involved with whatever kicked off – even the punch-ups, though all my bruises were on my back. I just could not run fast enough :). It was also the place to air our grievances and frustrations among ourselves instead of exposing them to the world. The media did enough of that for us.

I could not agree with you more about the present day fan base. In the beginning it certainly was a working class sport – not very surprising as they ever were and still are always to the fore when it comes to helping the poor. Even as our standards of living improved, it was still the, albeit new style, working class who attended in the greatest numbers. I have to admit, I remember even in the 50s and 60s, the early signs of privilege. The stand and the old enclosure were full of priests, doctors, teachers and businessmen, practically all of whom were recipients of those free gratis tickets handed out by the players and staff. It was still the ordinary guy’s income that financed the club and it looked like the well heeled “prawn sandwich brigade’s” too. The percentages have simply changed and the hard working fans are left to stew in the non-influential minority with less and less of a voice. If there is a hope of change, history teaches us the proletariat were ever the revolutionaries.

H H

pensionerbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

jimmybee

Your long post was somehow resurrected. I can not be sure of mine to you will receive the same kind treatment. If not, thank you for your kind comment and I agree with 100% on the stadium.

H H

Spidey100
7 years ago

I see Sanchez Flores may be on his way out of Watford. He might be a good shout, has done well at Atletico (Europa league winner) and with that job and Valencia and Benfica has good experience at big clubs. Done well for Watford too (and plays 2 up front for those who think this is important). Hasn’t won a league before, so that might be an attraction? He also knows British football having been at Watford.

Vinnie
7 years ago

Life-long Celtic FANS like me, life-long financial SUPPORTERS like me have had more than ENOUGH.
LAWWELL, you bastard, just go.
You’re the problem, you’re rumbled and by fuck you better be finished.
Clear your desk and just FUCK OFF.
PS This site fucks up on a regular scale when I mention ‘LAWWELL’. Co-incidence???
HH

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