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Resolution 12: A Scottish Football Issue.

Part of the problem when drawing attention to the possibility either incompetence or malpractice at the SFA is that the issue sometimes gets sidetracked.

A number of the comments to yesterdays article illustrated this perfectly.

Those at the SFA will be delighted to note that a part of the discussion centred around the same club argument, which would have delighted them. After all, if we, as football supporters, who directly and indirectly finance the SFA, are fighting among ourselves, then we are not fighting them.

Resolution 12 primarily deals with an issue raised by Celtic shareholders.

But there is a bigger picture.

Going back to 2012, and even before, it was the SFA who failed to protect the Rangers support from those now acknowledged to have not really had the best interests of the club at heart. Such was the desire to save Scottish football from “Armageddon”, they were prepared to allow anyone in who said they had a few quid and and could convince them that even though there was no evidence their father wore a sash,there was definitely one in a cupboard somewhere in the house.

This led to an awful lot of Rangers supporters buying into-literally-the Craig Whyte and Charles Green dream, in which they only featured as bit part players.

Those two are now the subject of a police investigation.

Celtic supporters and shareholders are not the only ones to have been ignored by the SFA.

Hearts fans might also ask why Vladimir Romanov was allowed to milk their club, and Dundee fans will remember a dodgy Italian lawyer a few years ago….

So whilst this series of articles is primarily about about Celtic supporters, it is not claiming to be solely about them.

Indeed, I’d far rather have fans of other clubs asking questions as well, as it’s better to have them on board on not need them, than it is to not have them and need them.

The thing is, to find out exactly what goes on behind the walls at Hampden, and to ascertain exactly in whose interest they operate, we are going to have to work together.

 

Now, back to Resolution 12, and here’s a comment from Auldheid, who has done a lot of work on the subject, which outlines where we are up to.

First can we avoid the same club debate please? That was a wonderful realistic reply from Rebus but it is an argument like the Glasgow Underground. The Inner Circle goes round one way and the outer circle the other. Both end up at the same starting point and not one foot of territory is gained.

Now on Res12….

I see the full Res statement being posted but most of it is the supporting statement. The part on which Celtic had firm indisputable locus as a club who may have been denied income is this:

This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules Governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note 1 ), by referring /bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of the Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.

Basically it said something wasn’t right about the processing of the UEFA Licence in 2011, can Celtic ask UEFA CFCB to look into it.

Celtic had done so in December 2011 and intended to vote Res12 down because SFA said, correctly, that at 31st March 2011 the tax bill had not arrived. This was true, the liability had been accepted in late March 2011 but the bill had still to be issued, and so the license was granted in the absence of the it. A great deal of play was made of this by SFA using Article 50 in support in answering questions including that put by Celtic.

You would imagine therefore that the arrival of the tax bill on 20th May 2011 was a significant event given that its absence allowed the license to be granted, especially as there was another reporting point at 30 June to UEFA under Article 66 that was never mentioned by the SFA in December 2011 when they wrote to Celtic justifying the granting under Art 50, but avoiding the retention aspect at June 2011 under Article 66.

By 30th June 2011 the bill was around 10 days overdue RFC having had 30 days from 20th May to appeal but did not (and never have although it was oft discussed after Sherriff Officers called to collect in August 2011.)

At this point the rules that appear to have been breached or not applied are: Art 13.3, Art 43h, Art 54c, Art 55e, Art 56b and c. Art 66 and Annex VIII. All could be expanded on in a narrative but in doing so there is a danger of unintentionally influencing the court cases now under way so best not risk that.

However questions about breaches by both the licensee (RFC) and the licensor (the SFA) are contained in the letter the SFA have had since July 2015 from Celtic shareholders, having been first shown the tax bill in August 2014 and it is answering the questions on these aspects that appear to be causing the SFA difficulty.

On a further point of clarification. Res12 was adjourned in 2013 because it was demonstrated that Celtic’s stance that Res12 was not necessary was unlikely to stand the test of time.

However the preference was to explore the issue domestically with the SFA but they have been particularly intransigent in answering the questions in the letter even when asked by Celtic, so the only option for shareholders was to go to UEFA to complete what Res12 asked, particularly when the time bar was recently realised, being introduced in 2015.

Only the matter being under the justice system prevents the full narrative, the letter to the SFA and supporting documentation being published, but that will not last forever and it is in everyone’s interest that the SFA answer the questions in the shareholders letter if they can demonstrate the process was honestly and properly dealt with under the Articles quoted.

If they cannot demonstrate probity and/or refuse to answer there is nothing more the Res12 requistitioners can do to make the SFA accountable and asking UEFA to investigate is the final step under their control.

If wrongdoing has occurred and the criminal investigation may well prove it has, then it will be very difficult for both UEFA and Celtic not to pursue regardless of football’s rules. 

The email address for Stewart Regan in yesterday’s piece was wrong. I missed out a dot.

Try stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk

Ask him why he hasn’t replied.

Ask him if he has supplied all the information requested.

If anyone does get a reply, try to copy it into the replies, failing that, send it to the contact address or tweet it to the Etims twitter account.

Or shout out and i’ll email you.  As I have to the chap who posted that he had received a reply….

 

 

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Macca
8 years ago

Why are Lawell and co. sitting on their hands on this one? The board clearly has no appetite for this and you have to ask yourself why?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Macca

Macca it is not in the Boards interest to rock the boat on this.
All they are interested in is making more money and if that means casually ignoring any wrongdoing by the powers at be that enables a return to the cabal that was the Old Firm then that is exactly what they will do.
The illusion is all shareholders have a right to a say the reality is however only the major shareholders matter at Celtic.
They put in the most so in their minds they are due the most back.
It’s purely a business matter to them and no doubt doing nothing will be of far more benefit to their own personal bank account than rocking the boat and doing something.
Just how it is in Football now.
We only matter when it comes to putting money in the slot.
All the rest is fanciful,romantic bullshit to them.
You want change at Celtic and I mean real genuine change then we have to change Celtic.
Fan ownership and control is the only answer as far as I can see.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Further to that ^ Who here thinks a fan owned and controlled Celtic would have sat back for the past 4 years and let the SFA /MSM get away with the Raphael Sheidt they have up to this point?
Not a hope in hell.
EVERY Action and decision would have been questioned no stone left unturned.
That is what is needed here not sound bites and spin from the likes of Lawwell.

Macca
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I agree Charlie but think that is only part of the issue in this one. I don’t think Mr L is as clean as we would we would like to think on this and other SFA/SPFL “issues” re Sevco

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Macca

For this to be pulled off Celtic representatives must have been involved at some point.
Be that wee secret meetings when away on European business or whatever our guys must have been in the loop at some point?

8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie,

Why?

Rebus

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

@Rebus
Because we are the Richest Club in Scotland the League Champions and more than capable of taking the entire deck of cards down with the Lawyers at our disposal.
You think the SFA went ahead with this fucked up plan without talking our top men then more fool you.
It will all come out in the wash as my wee maw used to say.

schoosh71
8 years ago

From the very first meeting with CFC, where the requisitioners agreed with ‘them’ not to inform the people they were representing, the shareholders who handed over ‘their’ vote, this resolution was doomed to failure. ,Lets remember there was ‘NO’ court cases when this started, yet still the shareholders who the resolution’s were representing were kept in the ‘dark’. Any excuse as how this was allowed to happen is reprehensible. May I suggest they should have wore ‘brown brogues’ to their meeting with CFC, they ‘might’ have received more respect and wouldn’t have felt the need to treat the wider Celtic support like mushrooms. Only my opinion. HH

schoosh71
8 years ago

Awe diddums?

#CrashTheBus.com

Johnny Murray
8 years ago

Charlie you are absolutely correct,to the major shareholders Celtic is a business.P.L is employed by the board to make them money.The Celtic of yesteryear looked after their fans,now they look after customers. Make no mistake this is the mind set of P.L and the board,4 big paydays next season when the new firm meet,will add to P.L.big annual bonus.Time for change if they are not able to do the job that fans require.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Johnny Murray

HH to that John.
Our support have just spent 4 years laughing across the river at being mugged time after time yet here we sit being mugged year in year out.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking sad.
Wake up folks time for change is upon us all.

MReilly
8 years ago

The issue of Resolution 12 is as important as the Jim Farry saga almost a decade ago. Parallels can be drawn; both involved an iteration of Rangers benefitting at the expense of Celtic; both incidents saw the SFA claim ignorance, after which they then became defensive; the Farry fiasco turned very ugly, something the SFA of the day will be hoping to avoid desperately.

It is worth pointing out that Jim Farry was not sacked until three years after the failed registration of Jorge Cadete. This is encouraging, as time should be no barrier to searching for answers. It is particularly important that Res 12 is pursued and not forgotten as the men responsible for the registration of Oldco are still in office. They absolutely must be held accountable, in order for anyone who is not of a Rangers persuasion to have any faith in the football authorities whatsoever.

A final point to address some of the anti-Lawell comments on this thread. It is worthy noting that the Celtic board have been compliant with the shareholders requests from the point that they had a case presented to them by solicitors – to the stalemate we find ourselves in now. For whatever reason, the board want shareholders to take matters to UEFA, not the club themselves. This is, in my opinion, a pointless task, as the club would inevitably become involved at some stage in the process. However, we will see how things develop.

Fergus McCain would certainly not be taking this potential incompetence (or possible flagrant assisting of Oldco) lightly. I hope the current Celtic board d not either.

8 years ago
Reply to  MReilly

MReilly,

I agree that we do not know why the club wants the group of shareholders to pursue the matter with UEFA at the moment. Some have assumed they know, but they do not. It is highly likely that the club will be involved in this at some point. If the shareholders get the complaint heard, the club will be involved at that point. If they fail, then the outcomes of the court cases may bring the club into it.

What is clear from Auldheid’s article is that the chronology is very important in terms of who knew what and when. It is also clear that a number of articles from the UEFA process are involved. In my view when you have these two aspects in play the following can happen or neeeds to happen:
a) all the ducks must be very carefully in a row, and
b) there is a strong potential for an unsatisfactory result due to a technicality being applied. We are seeing the first of that with the time deadline for the complaint.

What is clear is that this matter needs to be pursued and we should be very grateful to those that have pursued it, whatever the outcome or whether we are travelling on the inner or outer circle.

Rebus

[…] This ETims article about Resolution 12, has inspired me to write to Stewart Regan about the apparent failure of the SFA to respond to the questions asked by Celtic shareholders. […]

8 years ago

Hi

I have written to Stewart Regan following your article. Here is the letter. Keep up the good work!

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/resolution-12-letter-to-stewart-regan/

Houdinibhoy
8 years ago

I got an answer from Mr Regan believe it or not.

I can forward it to an e-mail account if somebody needs to authenticate it. Meanwhile here is the contents

From: Stewart Regan [mailto:Stewart.Regan@scottishfa.co.uk]
Sent: 15 March 2016 11:50
To: *******, James
Subject: RE: Resolution 12

Dear Mr *******,

We have dealt with this matter via correspondence with our member club, Celtic FC.

Regards
Stewart Regan

From: *******, James [mailto:****************]
Sent: 15 March 2016 10:51
To: Stewart Regan
Subject: Resolution 12

Mr Regan,

After reading below I felt compelled to e-mail you regarding the matter of Resolution 12 which was raised by Celtic FC Shareholders regarding the SFA issuing a UEFA license despite knowing the financial affairs of Glasgow Rangers FC(IL).

Why have no answers come from the SFA regarding the matter when clearly there is a very strong feeling amongst football supporters in Scotland? This has long since passed being a group of Celtic fans looking to get one over on their rivals. This has now become a matter of integrity towards your Association and the governance of Scottish Football on the whole. Your organisation has lost a lot of respect and is now being pilloried on well respected and well read Blogs by men and women who now know that the mainstream media is not to be trusted. On the whole the general feeling is that you and your colleagues are not trusted either as fans lose faith. Why have you allowed for this to happen as you sit in silence? Do you understand that this is now gaining momentum that by the very definition of your silence you are making matters worse? Why have you not supplied all the information which has been requested? Is it not about time you now show conviction and respect for Scottish football and the fans, the very lifeblood of the game?

Momentum Mr Regan, the unanswered questions are causing momentum. What was a snowball is now slowly but sure turning into an avalanche and I would urge you to put this matter to bed at the earliest opportunity. You are responsible for Scottish Football governance and the ethics the SFA purports to follow. Now is the time to speak with honesty and conviction, Scottish football needs honesty and integrity.

Yours Sincerely

James *******

BrushwoodGulch
8 years ago
Reply to  Houdinibhoy

Well time for Celtic to make that response transparent – somebody is being economical with the truth

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  BrushwoodGulch

I know who my money is on.
More than just a Club my hole.

BrushwoodGulch
8 years ago

The requisitioners have been led a merry dance by the CFC board. They initially paid lip service to make it look like they were being treated seriously. Its much easier to manage something you don’t want to go anywhere by making it LOOK as if you are trying to assist, whilst all along not actively supporting. That way the board can remain “clean” and say they did all they could. Now when push comes to shove we are seeing the real intentions of this spineless bunch. They cannot be removed in the boardroom by fan power as DD carries all the voting rights. However, there are other ways and its maybe time fans mobilise again to bring about that change.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  BrushwoodGulch

It has long been my opinion that if EVERY CELTIC FAN on the planet was united and behind fan ownership then Dermot Desmond could well be the man to deliver that.
This would take time and effort of course but far easier in the modern era with this medium we are talking through right now.
If there are indeed 9 million out there then the £70-90m it would take for this to happen is well within our reach.
£20 each.
That’s it.

8 years ago

Schoosh71

Total bollox. What we had that led to adjournment had provenance issues and not being able to prove the source had obtained material legitimately meant Celtic could not handle it.

So we did, with one hand tied behind our back and at great expense in time and finance we kept at it.

When I see totally misinformed judgments like yours I wonder why we did.

8 years ago

Houdinibhoy

You are not the only one Regan replied to in a similar vein.

We have asked the club what that reply said.

Remember the SFA had been stonewalling since July and it was decided in December and Celtic were aware and did not argue against.

If SFA have replied at last then the threat worked.

HoudiniBhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Auldheid

Auldheid,

I have no doubt sir. I was just passing on as requested.

Fingers crossed there has been a reply but I would hazard a guess Regan may be referring to the initial reply prior to June 2011

I guess we have maybe come to expect semantics from our beloved SFA?

8 years ago

Oops “decided in December to go to UEFA.”

Bluesrunner
8 years ago

Have asked for info under freedom of information. This is a law and if they say they cant give you it, take it to the ombudsman if the info is there and protected then they will be forced to give out the information

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