Number 7 has been following some of the comments on downsizing…
I have always been a follower of etims and read with interest the recent discussion by some regarding a wage cap being enforced at the club over the last few years by a board who seemingly are hellbent on protecting the finances of the team. Can we seriously call this protecting the finances or is there another motive? Is celtic football club being ‘downsized’ in front of our very eyes? I would agree with the latter and here’s why….
Ever since that wonderful summer of 2012 the football authorities would have you believe that we are sleepwalking into the oblivion, that without the bigoted blue pound being spent at our grounds twice a year that we are staring into the abyss, the end of football as we know it. Of course, real football fans did not toe the party line, crowds around the country where up, silverware was being distributed up and down the country and Scotland’s champions Celtic had entered the lucrative champions league group stages 2 years in a row… things where looking good, Barcelona where dispatched of and Celtic reached the last 16 of the Champions league for the first time since 2008. This would surely be a catalyst for bigger things, the club where back where they belong and had the basis of a good young team. Our goalkeeper was getting picked for England, an African nations cup winner in defence, in midfield we had a nominee for african player of the year and up front a striker who was banging in the goals week in week out. All that we needed to do was keep together the spine of this team and spend some of our hard earned cash wisely and the sky was the limit for this talented young side… so what went wrong for Celtic? Where the authorities correct? Could we not prosper without our dead cousins from across the city? The answer, no, the real reason was the lack of ambition from the people who we entrust to take our club forward, the Celtic board had ‘shit the bed’ in more ways than one
Number 7 has been lurking in the background, and offers us a little, well, is it inside information ?
Some people may find this hard to believe but as stated on this site previously a wage cap was deployed by a board who saw falling crowds at Celtic Park as a direct response to fans losing interest in the league. This would mean that any player who was to sign for the club as a new players or as part of a contract extension would have to adhere to the policy. My understanding is that the structure in place is no more than 16k a week. Where is my evidence of this? Well all you have to do is look at the signings we made, the standard of player we let leave and the end product which we are now witnessing. Hooper left and we brought in players like Amido Balde and Teemu Pukki, Victor Wanayama left and we brought in Derk Boeriggter and we replaced Fraser Forster with a goalkeeper who hadnt kicked a ball in 2 years and was training at the new incarnation of rangers!! The board had made a massive mistake when choosing to buy into the scare mongering of the SFA and the MSM. Crowds where failing because the product was failing, Trophies where surrendered to the likes of Kilmarnock, St Mirren, Hearts and Aberdeen. This was the reason that the board SACKED Neil Lennon… He was made the fall guy for the boards failure to re-invest in the side. Where did this leave morale in the dressing room?
Gary Hooper and Kris Commons are good mates, those of you with social media will recall various golf trips the two would make together abroad and these bhoys where joined at the hip.. arguably two of the most adored players since the likes of lubo and larsson. Hooper wanted and extra 6 grand a week instead we sold him to Norwich for 5 million and he is now playing football for Sheffield Wednesday. Joe Ledley and Adam Matthews, two welsh internationalists formed a strong relationship at the club and would bust a gut for each other and the club, Ledley expected to sign a contract extension but instead was sold on the cheap to Crystal Palace and within 18 months his pal Matthews was shipped out to sunderland after refusing to sign a new 5 year deal from with in the constraints of the new wage cap. Others like Samaras where also allowed to leave after running down their contracts and to quote some on this website “the rot had set in”
Players talk to each other… They all know who is on what… Its a fact of the business… even our best team ever the Lisbon Lions would know what each other where on… I remember reading that Tommy Gemmell found out the Cesar was earning a fiver more than the other players and went straight to the manager and demanded all the other be paid the same, it was agreed that they would all get the extra fiver a week, but so did big Billy!!
The point i am trying to make is can we point the finger at the wage cap we have set as being the beginning of the downward spiral? Will players really give that extra 10% knowing that in 6 months time they will be shipped out to England and will no longer have to deal the fallout of not making the group stages of the champions league or for not clinching a league and cup double? I think we can… I think player moral is at a low, when a club youve been with for 3 to 4 years and enjoyed some great success with decides your not worth that bit more a week your head is down and your performances suffer!! When you watch your mates leave even though you know they didnt want to go and where forced out it has to have a negative impact!!
we all want the same thing, a prosperous football club playing entertaining attacking football able to compete at the biggest stage in european football. this will not happen whilst we have wage caps at the club.
Sorry pal, we cannot compete with even English championship clubs on wages, you don’t have to look far to see what happens when you try that route.
As soon as players know they are in with a sniff of a bigger wedge the games a bogey, even if it means no more glory.
Sad…………but true.
How many players do you know personally? I can assure you, some of them love playing for the club and would and have snubbed bigger offers from down south.
if all we had to do was offer hooper an extra 6 grand a week then why are we not doing that? he wasnt sold for huge money!! fair enough not being able to hold onto forster for the money they threw at him but 6 grand a week? a distinct lack of ambition from the board
Don’t think it was even as much as £6k bg and all the goodness in the sale of Hooper was pissed up a wall on Pukki and Balde.
Spot on.
Matthews and Ledley burst a gut for the club?
Are you serious, they couldn’t make up a coward between them.
thats right joe ledley never scored any important goals for celtic and wasnt a big player for us……….
Jim,
I can smell a Hun from a 1,000 paces.
Have the creditors been paid?
Takes one to know one
….said the docker to the docker!
There is no proof that the top earners at Celtic are on a basic salary of £16k a week.
New signings? yes probably but to suggest the likes of Brown and Commons are on the same is laughable.
The downsizing has occrurred due to the fact without selling our prize assets every year we would be running at a loss and this would cause fans to question why Mr Lawwell is collecting a rather hefty Bonus when the Club is doing so?
This way he get’s to carry on whilst waving the “zero debt” Mantra as some kind of amazing feat in these financially difficult times.
Remember he stated that the explosion of the Death Star had cost us £10m a year in real terms?
Just so happens we deal our best players with any bids over this amount.
He’s a flannel merchant who is using Celtic as a means to build up his rather large pension pot.
At the fans expense of course.
laughable because you say its laughable? how long did it take commons to sign a new deal??
Fact because the author say’s it is fact?
Show me some fact then perhaps I can take it more seriously.
show some facts that its not the case? ive said this before? do you expect people to post players wageslips? can you not take it from the horses mouth instead?
Sorry bud you are just a fan on a website to me.
Don’t take it personally but if it’s not official then it simply has to be filed under fiction until proved otherwise.
HH
no bother charlie, why dont you ask the several posters i have assited with tickets and what names are on the tickets!! its harsh, and dont take this personally but some people just happen to know more about others on certain things… i disagree with number 7 article, the cap is no more than 15 k!!!!!
No bother when you provide proof then I will be happy enough to believe it.
HH
BGBHOY
How long did it take Lawell’s new manager Deila, to play the player of the year Commons or Liegh Grifiths.
There is the real problem,a Norwiegan manager who is way out of his depth,and is still way out of his depth.He is probably one of the main reasons for the caliber of players coming to Celtic,and yes Lawell is to blame 100% too.
Post in the ether…..
Without selling our best every season we would be making a large loss.
Lawell would find it very difficult to justify a £400k plus Bonus whilst we were posting large losses every year.
The wage cap may well apply to new signings but to suggest it affects the likes of Brown and Commons is nothing more than fiction till you can provide some fact.
Did they not just offer James Forrest a new 5 year contract,but with a cut in wages ???.
Make that 2 posts in the ether.
Good article and I agree with it, 2012 was the time to kick on, not sit back in a complacent manner.
If it’s accurate that there is a wage cap of 16k per week, I would be disappointed at the boards lack of ambition.
All the players don’t need to be on the same money, our best players should get the best money, simple really.
If we have had players in the dressig room who are being forced out to the detriment of the team, then action against the board must happen.
It’s all about the quality on the pitch, if the club want the ground filled up, buy a better standard of player and this will happen.
Ambrose? Not for a second this guy should be in a Celtic shirt! HH
Ambrose has been the best defender on the Park for 3 games solid.
Can’t agree more CS.
It also should be noted that many use the 2012-2013 Champions League Campaign as a Bench Mark in which to judge Celtic sides by since.
Efe Ambrose alongside Kelvin Wilson (another who was pilloried by sections of the Support at times)were tantamount to our success at the heart of our defence in that run of games and both played superbly up against some of the best attacking players on the planet in several of them.
No defender at Celtic has reached THAT LEVEL SINCE.
I include both Denaayer and Van Dijk in that too.
Efe has had his issues but he has proven he can reach a level way above the SPFL when his mind is fully on the job.
Very, very different system Charlie.
Against Barca we had a back four that sat thirty yards from our goal and a midfield three sitting ten yards in front of them!
Lennon used the ‘free game’ v Barca the second time round at the Camp Nou to try a far less defensive system and we got pumped 6-1!
Irrelevant both Systems incorporate a back 4.
We got pumped 6-1 because we were an average side by this point stripped of our best talent.
Wilson,Wanyama and Hooper were effectively the spine of our side their loss was massive and caused and affective good side to become an ineffective average one.
effective’
It’s TOTALLY relevant.
Ronnt plays a ‘back 4’ that has two full backs halfway up the opposition half leaving the two centre backs exposed. Lennon’s tactics against Barca were almost a back 7 condensed just outside our own penalty area.
It’s an entirely different approach to setting up a team.
The back 4 defended as a back 4 under Lenny
The back 4 defend as a back 4 under Ronny what happens in front does not alter the fact Ambrose has played to a decent level under both.
The level of opposition determines how brave you get with pushing the FB’s up that has sweet fa to do with the CB pairings position on the Park.
Which is my point.
You are over complicating matters here the issue is whether Efe can raise his game in defence.
Which he can and he has.
Totally agree Hector,
Well said!
Sook
@Hector Bandido I have answered yet another post fucks off into the ether..
Charlie
You quote Efe Ambrose,and Kelvin Wilson as playing against some of the best players on the planet.In the last three games Ambrose has played against some of the poorest players in the premier league,sorry his nickname describes him to a tee BOMBSCARE.
Aye, but even shite comes out solid every once and a while; I want proper consistency!
150 odd games for Celtic Efe’s probably had 10-15 poor games.
Individual errors in high profile games have been the issue with Efe as a result he’s been labelled a liability and as a result of that his confidence has suffered.
I have seen the likes of Brown Commons and Lustig have as many poor games yet they are not labelled a liability.
The reason being their mistakes tend to happen further away from goal and less likely to cost as much.
Craig Gordons mistakes have cost us but again it quickly get’s glossed over due to his vital saves thereafter.
I say judge Efe now on his current form and on that he should be named in the starting 11 before Lustig and Jozo.
Ralph,
It let’s me hit post comment without filling in the mandatory fields that is why my posts end up Ethereal every once in a while. Can it make us put name and email in before the post comment button becomes available?
Can you explain to me why we’ve just signed a Quality player who was wanted by 6 Teams in England’s Top league..I no he’ll be sold in 2 years but that’s Football..
Is he a quality player? So you had heard of him before we signed him then? Oliver tebily looks a quality player on you tube too. I hope he is but I will reserve judgement
Number7
So you had heard of Ronny Deila,and his experience before he was foisted on us ???.
Have we considered that the downsizing is a direct correlation with a lack of income? TV money is a pittance, commercial deals and sponsorship is a pittance, away games in Scotland yeild very little income even though grounds are often 25% empty and they won’t sell more tickets. That leaves us with home games and possible qualification for CL group stages as the two main sources of income. It’s a downward spiral that has to be stopped. It requires a Scotland wide approach to football reform. Unfortunately our authorities are too singularly focused on their solution to all problems – Sevco! I think out Board bought the doomsday scenario and think that Sevco is the answer. IT IS NOT. We need to invest in the first team to ensure Champions league qualification every year. That would guarantee finances and needs a bit of investment beyond 16k a week. When we have good performers who enjoy play at the club pay them moe based on performance and move on lesser players and performers. Of course if EPL or even Championship comes calling we are unable to compete on wages and any professional with a family will have to think hard about their livelihood just as we would in any job move for more money.
Efe Ambrose has cost Celtic where it matters most, in European competition.
He is untrustworthy and has it in him, regularly to mess up a result for us.
That’s my gripe with Ambrose, he can’t be trusted, if you guys want to stick by him and support him, then on you go, my opinion is that he is fucking brutal, the opposition know it, the opposition know it and our management ( sic ) team know it.
Has he played well in his last three games?
I think what is meant by that is he hasn’t made his usual fuck Ups in the last three games!
Some of you guys rate him, I think he is shite……
Let’s move on.
As for playing him in DM? somebody taking the piss?
He doesn’t have the touch, feet or nouse to play there.
When Ambrose comes off the bench when Celtic have a narrow lead, I am instantly expecting something to go wrong, he has a few decent games and suddenly he has a future?
My arse!
We have been downsizing since Martin Oneil left. Ever since then the standard of player has dropped season on season with emphasis being on doing just enough. This didn’t always work before the Huns died, but since they did, the standard has plummeted because to do enough is around 20 points less than it used to be
Spot on.
We were actually downsizing while Martin O’Neill was still at the club. The big money transfers had stopped well before he left . That’s why WGS was left with an aging squad.
O’Neill spent over £20m adding to a squad that already had high quality in it when he arrived.
The Board simply said no you have had enough money this is sustainable.
Strachan undertook the job knowing the big money transfers were over.
As have all the Managers since.
Scott Brown and Fortune being two few exceptions in years of under investment and signing donkeys since.
unsustainable’
Anyone who thinks that Ambrose does not have the tools to do a job aa a DM should watch this then have a rethink?
https://youtu.be/LeRchb7wxQ8
Quite clearly he can.
Style of play:
“Ambrose often played as a defensive midfielder for the Nigeria national football team.”
Celtic has got to live within it’s means. The only issue of downsizing is the CEO’s bonus doesn’t reflect this. If downsizing means more Celtic supporting Bhoys get the chance to live the dream, I’m all for it. I also agree NL was SACKED. WHY, I don’t Know, but I believe his management style and his training methodology harked back to a bygone era. I.E If you win the game training will be easy, if you lose you’ll be working hard all week. Modern capitalism, were you ‘pay more for less’, it’s the way of the world. HH
Strange how this “dead” club is listed on the SPFL website as being founded in 1872 and is also listed as being the most successful club in the country. Also strange that UEFA have now listed Rangers current squad on the so called “old Rangers” UEFA page. And now says “old Rangers” last played in 2015 not 2012. Could it be your talking mince? As for Pacific Shelf,you have been downsizing for the last 4 years or did you not notice. Maybe you were to interested in Rangers eh. Instead of being miles in front of Rangers the gap ain’t that big. And Rangers will be back in the top league next season. We’ll see how Delia does then.
The gap is a full Division.
Abedeen would destroy 2angers right now.
Fuck off zombie
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Succinct…I like it 🙂
Just got me thinking about those horrible zombie fuckwits.
Is Scotland blessed with good taxidermists??
I can just picture the filth getting their nearest and dearest stuffed, mounted and pride of place on the sofa or kidding on they’re cooking up dinner in the kitchen.
Sad fucks.
Why Andyhoy? Let him have his say then rip his theory apart. Andybhoy IMO your better thn some of yer ‘Hun’ comments swap ‘hun’ for ‘Tim’ and you come out sounding like a wee 15 year auld bigot.
Ha ha ha ha. Old Rangers were liquidated in 2012. Look up the definition of liquidated. The current tribute club playing in the Championship is piss poor as Motherwell and St Johnstone demonstrated already. If they do get a free pass to the SPL expect many good thumpings from full time teams living within their means. My own expectation is that the new club will go the same ways as the old club and the courts cases will be fun fun fun
chuckles Crichton,
” Luquidation would have been embarrassing for the Celtic supporters so we paid all our creditors and all our bills ” – Fergus McCann.
How many of your dead, sick, fucked up, rat infested former clubs, creditors remain unpaid, still to this day?
You are fortunate I am not in charge of what happens to your tribute act of a club.
Ibrox would have been pulled down by now, sold to property developers and every penny from that sale, handed to the creditors.
your tribute act would not have received it’s licence to play league football until they had spent 3 years in the junior leagues.
A full public apology admitting you were cheating the game in Scotland for over a decade or more, to be shown live on Sky and read out by David Murray and Campbell Ogilvie.
The flying of the union flag anywhere in Scotland to be banned and all Orange marches banned and outlawed.
At the same time as all of this was being implemented, I would INCREASE hunger strike and Republican marches!
At that point and only at that point, will there be any talk of moving on!
OOH AAH…….
Are you going soft M?
A tad I think….:)
I was willing to allow for the continuation of the club as the membership was the club. However thanks to your post I searched the definition of club and found this from the SFA: “The Licence Applicant may only be a football club, that is the legal entity fully responsible for the football team participating in national and international competitions and which is the legal entity member of the Scottish Football Association (Full or Associate Member).”
Well, the legal entity went into receivership then liquidation and the the assets were sold off. The club was not an asset, the club was the legal entity. Seems like a Norwegian Blue to me.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/PartThree-UEFAClubLicensing/03%20The%20Club%20as%20Licence%20Applicant%20and%20Licence%20(2).pdf
Fuck write off ya zombie twat. Yeez died in 2012. Deal with it.
Just goes to show you that if you repeat a lie often enough people will start to believe it. But we’ll always be here to remind you that your club died in 2012 owing 10s of millions ££££
Celtic should be running at break even. Money should have been found for improving the stadium facilities and encouraging fans to get there early, ideally with kids in tow, and spend money in and around the stadium rather than the bars on the way. Make it an event, make it worth the £50 for a wee day out rather than 4 times more expensive than the taking the kid to the pictures for 90 mins of ‘entertainment’.
Decent toilets, bars, heated areas, players not in the squad available for a wee talk and autographs before the game, entertainment for the kids, mini-tours, mini-cinemas showing the history of Celtic, decent food at decent prices, Celtic-themed quizzes (for the kids!) with prizes like scarves, hats, flags etc. footy skills workshop for the kids from the coaching staff, youth team 5-a-side to see the stars of tomorrow before watching the stars of today in an internal 4G pitch in a heated area.
Implementing some of these would keep the crowds higher even during downsizing and would encourage more and more kids to come along and keep coming along to get into the Celtic habit and become Celtic-minded.
This isn’t even trying to keep us ‘more than a club’, it’s simply good business sense.
I agree a supporter experience at home games with lots to do an see prior and maybe post game would be attractive. Make it a day out and provide great services. good business sense and more than a club.
I have a theory (based on nothing more than a few physical facts ie Annual Accounts and more than a few observations).
I believe that the spending under Martin O’Neill whilst necessary at the time put the Club under real financial pressure.
I believe Peter Lawwell was brought in to rectify this situation for the Board as it became very obvious no matter how big our plans might have been they would never be big enough to become major players at the Big Table in Europe.
We simply do not have the means or the money man willing to undertake such a move.
As such The Board under Lawwells guidance slowly without arousing any suspicion tightened the belt putting the Club on a forced diet of spending.
Over the past 10 years or so the Club has gone from having large debts and a huge wage bill to having reduced debt and a much smaller wage bill.
At the same time the Club have embarked on a tidying up process around Celtic Park the Staium,the surrounding aea has been transformed creating a much nicer environment for anyone looking in.
In this time Peter Lawwells influence has grown as has his salary.
now a Decade on those who embarked on this change near closer to their retirement age.
Some like Peter and Dermot have shares in Celtic,large amounts of shares which thanks to the redevelopment of Celtic Park are now worth a pretty penny should there be a wish to sell or offer up for sale.
It is my belief this is and was always the game plan for these men at Celtic.
The buy to sell policy was a response to the loss in finances when Rangers went bang.
Without doing so the refurbishment of the Triangle etc would never have happened and therefore a less attractive package if you wanted to sell up.
Lawwell and Co are simply maximising their investment and as a result we no longer pay for top quality anymore.
All part of the plan.
The fact we still owe the Co-Op £14m after banking over £65m in the past 5 years from CL and player sales just back my theory up.
Time will tell of course.
OPERATING EXPENSES 2015 (Annual Report page 11)
Total operating expenses (excluding exceptional operating
expenses and asset transactions) have reduced over last year by
£6.62m, 11.1%, to £53.27m, predominately due to a decrease in
labour and cost of sales.
Total labour costs decreased by £4.50m, 11.9%, to £33.27m,
largely due to reduced labour costs in football over the previous year.
The reduction in football wage costs from last year is mainly due to a
decrease in first team bonuses paid as a result of not qualifying for the
UCL plus a reduction in base first team costs following the change in
playing personnel during the summer of 2014.
Post no 3 in the ether…
Whoever or whatever the ‘ ether ‘ is, can I just thank you!
Ether, or æther:
“Was the mysterious substance once thought to suffuse the universe and be the medium that propagated light (and radio waves once they were discovered). Before that, it was the material that suffused the realm of the Gods.”
So it’s the Force.
” The force is strong in him”…….said Bob’s wife to the Leith docker.
Your some character Mongti no wonder your boyfriend fucks about
Have you got something about Dockers gaylord
I Don’t, your wife does….so they told me!
I agree with this assessment of the situation at Celtic. Apparently Dermott Desmond is a billionaire. If that is the case why doesnt he bankroll the signing of players good enough to qualify for the group stages of the Champion League. What is the point of a billionaire owning a football club then letting it just sink to such a relatively low level. If he has lost interest then he should look round for someone to sell the club to.
The point is Sam it’s a conversation piece at the various Golf Clubs he plays at and it’s also a retirement nest egg for when the time comes.
Sam,
That is exactly my point regarding the board, I get the arguments for not spending what we don’t have, but Dermot must see that the team/club needs a bit of help now and again.
It makes perfect sense to strengthen the team significantly, this would send a message to the supporters that the board is going the extra mile for us, in turn the supporters return in their thousands, fill the stadium and the whole place is much, much healthier.
Just for the record, I am not asking him or the board to spend 30 or 40m, just a few players who are clearly levels above what we have.
If I was fortunate enough to have the wealth Desmond has, Celtic would be an extremely strong side, a respected side.
When I see the Molde’s and Malmo’s taking care of Celtic with relative ease, I know the time for change has arrived.
All respect to these two sides tho, they deserved to beat us, they looked more of a team than us.
When you have some talking about Efe Ambrose as ” the best defender we have ” you know we are fucked.
Let’s say hypothetically of course, Desmond said, there’s the money to bring in 3 players who would walk into the team and instantly transform it, say 15m net, we qualify for the CL next season and receive 25-30m for that years run in the CL, does that not make sense to splash out that bit more?
3 years in a row without CL football is a very real scenario in my opinion, and disgrace at the same time.
Give the supporters what they deserve, a great side and entertainment!
HH
Anyone lol who thinks Efe Ambrose is good enough to be in the home dressing room, needs a cold shower.
chuckles Crichton, #shower is an action to be taken daily, sometimes twice daily, personal hygiene.
Try it? and let other guns know of such an invention.
I think the intention is to provide a club that is self sufficient, with no debts and makes a profit. Ready for share floatation on the market.
Unfortunately I know a right few people who no longer go to games some not at all some choose their games none do this because of the huns all say it’s the shite they have to watch and I can’t blame them
drewster,
bgbhoy offered me tickets for Tannadice last week and it hurts be to say it, but I didn’t want them.
I remember a time when I would have immediately said yes to the offer of a ticket.
I remember the feeling I had walking out the ground after the Maribor game, totally dejected and deflated.
My attention from that night has been on this board and Ronny Deila, I felt something was starting to go wrong with Celtic.
The board are taking chances with our hopes, they are taking the cheap options with managers and selected players.
Until this manager get’s this team performing and fighting in the biggest games for the club, in Europe, I remain totally unconvinced by his approach.
Maribor was a dull one to take, it hasn’t got better, it has got worse.
Celtic need a massive lift and so do the support!
I have seen enough!
I agree that the board are letting the fans down. I made a thing on FB, but I think it was the wrong thing. There are many supporter organizations out there. Why don’t they organize to hold the board accountable financially?
i remember when you couldnt get a ticekt for motherwell at home or st mirren at home!!! the club are going backwards and have been for a long time… when you employ a 3rd rate manager then ultimatley that is the standard of football we can come to expect! a massive signing is required in the mould of a keane or a bellamy just to see some more fans at the park.. it will not happen however… a better performance n friday night though it came against dundee utd who are no better than cowdenbeath or dumbarton… ucl is a pipe dream and i predict we will not be there for the next 5 years under this current boards strategy.. its only getting harder and harder
Totally agree bgbhoy,
I thank you again for the offer of the tickets mate!
But you couldn’t go as u were down at the Docks eh
Yep, I was front of the queue…..
For those who are overly concerned about attendances here are some figures (that may or may not be 100% accurate).
http://www.fitbastats.com/celtic/club_records_league_attendance.php
Season 1967-68 Average home Attendance 31,373
Highest home Gate 73,480
Lowest 14,157
So a difference of 14,000 between MON days and now (Average attendance). Do those 14,000 generate the £30m it costs to put them there? I’m not even doing the math because I doubt it very much.
Nobody has lost interest in the league atall we have lost interest in probably the most boring football in the best part of a decade.
Spot on!
Monti
I will be at game tonight but that’s through abbit and not because I am enjoying it because am not sadly
Thousands feel the same way mate, we are ahem…developing though?
Agree with number seven on this however there are very few players like henrik these days who could have quadrupled his wages but chose the shirt.
Even the danish boy yesterday said at some point i may become to good for celtic and move on , eyes on england allready.
just wish our playersould stay longer and actually go to a good english team instead of having there heads turned by norwich and southampton. Hope pe big victor gets his move to arsenal , deserves to play on that stage
If Vic does go to Arsenal, do we not get 20% of that fee?
If so we should use that to pay Efe off and bring in a good player.:)
Hope he doesn’t, sends the wrong message.
I see the SPFL are talking about using facial recognition technology, to identify troublesome fans at games.
This should be easy to use At ibrox as they are all from the same family, their father and mothers are their sisters and brothers.
No much chance of finding you in the crowd.
That’s what employment does for you Hun boy, it get’s in the way of football.
But with a young family to feed, work comes first!
Talking of crowds, wife back home yet?
Boyfriend back home yet sweet cheeks?
Bob,
Why do you go on Tim sites?
I wouldn’t stain my finger tips typing the name of a Hun blog, never mind appear on it.
Very odd.
Don’t think its twenty monti but think we will be due something. Have you noticed how since the contract talk for James Forrest Ronny has left him out where as before he used to play him whenever available. I reckon lawells calling the shots here and told him to leave him out.
Delbhoy,
I agree mate, that’s why Deila is there in the first place, he won’t rock the boat, he is being manipulated by the board.
Lawwell is on a right cushy number here, £1m per year and a manager who will not stand up to him.
James Forrest should be starting for Celtic, if fit!
Monti
I go on Tim websites because I am a Tim I just don’t like people such as yourself slagging off everyone who has the audacity to question you.
Could it be the conditions were not suitable for wingers last week and so Ronny decided not to risk a player who has been shall we say injury prone from time to time?
I have posted that lots recentley
Could be charlie, tho hes left out tonight again mate
Could there be an offer on the table?
YEs. For less money. As per wage cap
Agree monti , def looks that way , a yes man who will accept his players being sold from under him.
I did say a while ago that GMS was out to beef up and get more accustomed to playing wide right. Well he is back and had made a couple of nice final balls. Which Forrest couldn’t do.
Uralius,
Keep it positive, if GMS is having a good game tonight then fantastic, I really like the guy and want him to succeed, but James has delivered for Celtic many times in the past, credit where it is due.
5-0 at half time?
Very impressed, keep the foot on the gas, no mercy Bhoys!!
Surely Deila will take Ambrose off in the second half?
Put a more attacking player on, Commons for example….
Aye he is no bad sometimes.
Now we have to settle again.
Hun believe able commentary on Radio Scotland All about Accires very little credit to Celtic apart from SMCD.☘☘☘
Aye Forrest has played well.
Fantastic Celtic, great result and performance, that’s what I’m talking about.
Well done the Hoops! HH
No Johansen , coincidence…
8 – 1. Here in the Southern Hemisphere the planets have aligned for the first time in 10 years, bodes well for Planet Tic ah hope, although I’m awaiting its ‘only Hamilton’ brigade to come online soon.
Now if someone could cut Scott Allan’s hair and teach him to head the ball; and someone could tell Armstrong to get over the ball a tad we’d be golden.
The £10 million that Lawell talks about,is less than the millions we have lost due to him appointing Ronny Deila as manager.The 10 million he says we lost because the scumbags went belly up,to me was his deflection from the £30 to £40 million he has cost us.