Celtic Diary Wednesday January 13: Making it Up As They Go Along

Sometimes , I really do despair at the papers.

Whilst i’m hardly in a postion to criticise any other outlet for a lack of accuracy, at least when we make things up we tell you we are making things up. We even package these little gems of fiction into two easily identifiable sections, the Rumour Mill , and the diary.

We don’t have that little bit at the bottom that says “registered at the post office as a newspaper ”

Because we’re not.

But as for those who claim they are…

Take the Herald, for instance, ( please, take the Herald, someone take the Herald ) which leads with this headline today;

Celtic’s European tradition began 50 years ago with a win over the Soviets and some keepy-uppy.

 

No, it didn’t.

Celtic’s “European tradition” began against Valencia. On the 26th of Septemeber 1962. The Hoops were beaten 4-2, and we’ve continued that tradition of losing European games with aplomb, especially this season.

Spain was never part of the Soviet Union, though it does begin with the same letter, so I can understand the confusion.

Or you could look for yesterdays big story.

A new club, which has a history, shall we say, of association with one or two dodgy characters, are in court. as, indeed, are some of those very same dodgy characters.

So you would think the papers would be questioning why a company that provided them with a wi-fi facility for their stadium, which is falling apart, has applied to the court to ringfence a prtion of the bill which hasn’t been paid over fears the club are struggling to make ends meet..

Er, no. although the Evening Times is way ahead even of the Judge on this one, who will not deliver his verdict until Friday;

Wi-Fi firm has £300,000 Rangers’ cash ring-fenced over money fears.

 

I’m going to buy the Evening Times, because this unique ability to foretell the furture, which I suppose papers have to do to combat falling circulation, makes their racing tipster page a must read.

For the latest on that particular court case, read this;

Another Court Case covered by James Doleman

That crowd funding money he raised is certainly providing good value. Without his reports, anyone would think things were all fine and dandy in the land of darkness.

Theres a whole host of court cases involving those associated with Ibrox, past and present.

Surely the papers can see that it is of national importance. Is there at least one of them prepared to run the risk of breaking out of the parochial Scottish set up and demanding to be taken seriously ?

Ach, lets talk about the football.

Its transfer window time, and players will be putting themselves in the shop window.. thankfully, though, at least one Celt hasn’t got the hang of that idea;

Thankfully, though, Brown is happy where he is, despite scouts all over europe keeping their eyes open for the new Zinedine Zidane

 

One player who has caught the eye is Gary Hooper, who chose last night to score a couple of goals-ironically against his old mentor Neil Lennon ‘s Bolton side. – in an attempt to engineer a move away out of his current predicament.

Hooper was a fine striker in a fine side, and moving to Norwich, and subsequently a loan at Shefield Wednesday, have probably left him feeling a little down on himself.

If we need back up for Griffiths, or a secondary striker , he has to be worth a punt, although it may take a few weeks to get him back into shape.

He scores goals. At any level.

Theres always room for a goalscorer.

 

As usual , there’s plenty of stories about who is coming to Celtic in the papers, but I refer you to the opening couple of paragraphs as a reason why its not worth mentioning them in any great detail, but the formula the club has usd in the past, even down to at least one from Manchester City, seems very much to be the way things will be done this month.

Exciting, isn’t it ?

Anthony Stokes looks set to choose Hibernian over Inverness for the rest of the season. He’s apparently agreed a loan at the Leith club. If we’re lending anything to anyone from Edinburgh, it might be an idea to keep the receipt.

 

Ach, heres something a wee bit different, from Sports Witness;

Celtic’s and Liverpool’s song ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ has been named the top football chant in European football. Taken from the musical Carousel the song has been sang by the two club’s supporters for the past few decades, and for years Celtic and Liverpool have debated who started to sing this chant first.

Calciomercato have debated what they think the best football chant is, and comprised a top ten list showing the best songs. The Italian football outlet believes the best chant is that of the Celtic and Liverpool fans, followed by Seven Nation Army written by US rock band The White Stripes.

This rock anthem was played throughout Euro 2012 when a goal was scored, and has mainly been adopted by German clubs such as Bundesliga giants Borussia Dortmund. Not leaving their own clubs out, Calciomercato has named ‘Roma, Roma, Roma’ in the top three, which is a chant sang by the AS Roma faithful.

Another chant of note is ‘I’m Forever Blowing Bubbles’ which for years has been sung by West Ham United fans, and has been ranked in 4th position. Like ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ this came from a musical, and has been used by the West Ham supporters since the 1920’s.

Of course, the revelation that the song is sung by both sets of fans will provoke lively debate as to who sung it first, and who stole it from the others.

Lets see, a group of Liverpudlians are denying they stole something.

That lawyer will have his work cut out.

 

Wee bit of info for those of you who live in the land outside mainland Britain and Ireland.

This Friday on HD11 game away with has a 45 minute build-up  

Thats not the big story, the big story is that none of it will involve Pat Nevin or that other little fuckwit that is on Sky. Neil something.

Ally Begg, once of Celtic TV,  is the man behind that show, or in front of it, or on it, well, he’s in there somewhere, and it sounds a lot better than the usual lip service paid to the Scottish game.

George Connelly was the dapper chap in yesterdays picture, and he certainly invoked a few memories.

Does anyone have any particular memories, humourous or other, of any of these guys ?

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Plumsaucesaurus

Peter Grant’s Crystal Ball must be been faulty when he made that prediction about Stuart Slater…

Brian53

Hasn’t it always been thus? They have always printed their lies with impunity knowing full well that they are safe under the establishment umbrella. Fortunately in this day and age we have the timternet and the excellent twitter to expose them; unfortunately like zombies they are immune to further infection. I thought you would have mention the sterling work done by Jeanette Findlay and Paul Quigley at the FAC petition at Holyrood, Ralph? The pair of them were outstanding in that lion’s den. My good lady came in to the room as I was watching it and was gobsmacked by… Read more »

timbuffy

A propos accuracy in newspaperland. Writing about Trebles halfwit Michael Gannon in today’s Daily Ranger states that Martin O’Neill’s class of 2001 collected the clean sweep for only the second time in the club’s history.” Funny that because I seem to remember that was the THIRD time I’d seen Celtic win the Treble. Don’t just make it up as you go along, Martin. Do some research and check your facts, after all in the newspaper trade accuracy is next to Godliness.

Monti

Hooper and Griffiths up front? Yes please.
Have we received any bids for Efe Ambrose yet?

Good game between Newcastle Utd and Manchester United last night, excellent minutes applause for the late Pavel Srnicek, good stuff!

VooDude

Ralph, it’s my understanding that the £300k has already been ring-fenced, on the 31/12/2105. The hearing on Monday/yesterday was Sevco (or whoever they are these days) trying to get that removed.

Morto

I believe the 31/12/15 issue was the awarding of Decree to allow the pursuit of the debt. The current case is to ring fence the amount due so they don’t lose out should the company/club/entity enter administration before it’s been recovered.

Charlie Saiz

My granny was a McStay I gather we are related to Paul and Wullie through her.
Unfortunately she died when my da was very young (4 or 5)so all contact with her side of the family was lost.
Which is obviously a shame in many ways for a good Celtic family.

Monti

can you provide evidence of this claim?

Charlie Saiz

Yes I could but then why would I it’s only a bit of trivia relating to Ralphs request?
Whether you choose to believe it is of no concern of mine I know it as fact.

Monti

In that case I’ll go with the choosing not to believe you line.
Why wouldn’t you include Raymond?

Charlie Saiz

That’s fine as I say it’s no concern whether you do.

Dan The Man

Charlie , Monti is good at Parody, have you not noticed?☘☘☘

Monti

Dan,
Have you ever read the satirical magazine ‘ Viz ‘?
You remind me of the character ‘Mickey and his spunk moped’, it was about a guy who had a moped that ran on monkey jism….

You remind me of the moped!

Monti

….what about Raymond?

selkirk casual

surely Raymond must be included too ?

Monti

God be with the people of Madaya, what they are facing on a daily basis is unimaginable!!

Monti

Still not signed anyone yet?
Fuck sake min…..

On the BBC website – Scottish Premiership Headlines column there are 3 Celtic stories:

Celtic Fans urged to end flare use.

Celtic sectarian chanting investigated.

Delia warns Celtic fans over conduct.

Nothing about possible transfer etc. They always do their utmost to highlight bad stories against us.

No negative Rangers stories in the Championship page though.

Charlie Saiz

Well thank goodness for those cheeky wee chaps who let the flares off and sang Roamin in the Gloamin at Stranraer otherwise the press would have had fuck all to write about bar made up transfer targets and Deila out opinions from Sutton and co to fall back on.

Monti

Aye but what about Raymond?

Jackanory?

Charlie Saiz

You are a troll Monti.

Monti

I’m not the one on here trying to claim that I’m related to the McStay family, all I’m asking is, why would you say you were related to Paul and Willie but leave out the third brother?

Sniff……

Charlie Saiz

Raymond never played foe Celtic he’s not relevant in that respect.
I’m not claiming anything all I am doing is adding some trivia to the site.
Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you again that is of no importance to me.
The fact you keep bringing it up in order to get a reaction shows you up for what you are.
A troll.
Lay off the glue it can give you a runny nose I gather.

Katanes

I once bored Peter Grant and his girlfriend / wife with a long drunken discussion in a nightclub (Victorias?) in Glasgow circa 1991….he was very kind to engage me as I had been on a binge for several days and was in full flow when I cornered him…..I will never forget the look of shear boredom on his girlfriend/wife’s face though…..
Top bloke Peter Grant.

San Miguel

Ralph,
surely Hooper can’t play for 3 teams in one season ? (Norwich, Sheff Wed, then AN Other ?) thus rendering a move for him a waste of time until the summer ?

Monti

San Miguel,
I think that’s the rules that apply to loan deals, not sure if transfers are the same.

A fit Stokes and Griffiths would be a formidable front two !…………..if we played 2 up front …… just sayin’

Monti

Stu67,
Unfortunately we have a manager who can’t see that.
I have been saying for long enough that Stokes and Griffiths would work well together, we will never know.

HH

Charlie Saiz

Playing 2 up means less bodies in Midfield,midfield is where most games are won and lost so it makes complete sense to deploy a System that dominates the midfield.
The fact we deploy a System that incorporates 3 ATTACKING MF’s behind the 1 attacker and are scoring as many goals over a 10 year Average points to the fact that perhaps the Manager is right in doing so?
We do have 4 Attackers on the pitch after all in advanced positions.
Chuck in both wingbacks that 4 becomes 6 in certain attacks.
If you want the stat’s to back this just ask bud.
HH

Monti

Pish!

Charlie Saiz

It’s fact Monti based on actual research.
Hence why so many top Managers choose to deploy it.

Charlie Saiz

Oh look both Klopp and Wenger deploying 4-2-3-1 tonight.
One wonders why that is?

mike

Charlie,

That system works well in Scotland because of the lack of Quality Opposition.Ewanbhoy is right about playing Cole and Griffiths up front in Scotland because of the physical nature of the game here.
However in Europe away, we should decide on the tactics to suit the opposition and the conditions as well as the players available.

Charlie Saiz

@Mike The System woks well in any situation that’s why so many of the top Manages use it.
As for the 1 up 2 up debate the goals scored over the past 10 years show we have not lost anything in attack by playing this System.
But on the defensive front we have gained.
Therefore it makes perfect sense to continue with it.
Our defence has suffered greatly at the beginning of this Season and yet we still haven’t conceded that many Domestically by comparison.
Again if you want figures to back this just ask.

Monti

Claudio Ranieri at Leicester City seems to be doing fine!!

Charlie Saiz

Go watch a 60 metre sprint Monti at 30 there is little between all the finalists at 50 the gap is visible and at 60 the also rans are well off the pace.
I would be suprised if Leicester finished in the top 4 come the finsh line.

andybhoy

It was in September 2002 I spent one of the greatest moments of my life in the Armadillo in Glasgow and the Moat House hotel (Crowne Plaza) at the Greatest Ever Celtic team night. In the auditorium I sat beside Bertie and wee Jimmy and I was simply in awe of them and I could hardly speak, it was then I realised what starstruck truly meant.Anyway, after the awards the fun and games truly started and I was like a kid in a candy store, fortified by several extremely large brandy’s I found my voice and in more ways than… Read more »

Monti

Paul & Willie Mcstay?
Where was Raymond and was Charlie said with them 🙂
Ahem.

andybhoy

Raymond wasn’t there that night, but the Maestro said ‘if you ever hear from a guy who goes by the name of Charlie Saiz, don’t believe a word he saiz’.

Charlie Saiz

Trolling again I see no change there then.

Charlie Saiz

For the avoidance of any doubt Charlie Saiz is a pseudonym inspired by a 1970’s cat who used to appear on public safety announcements for children.
If you need proof of that go by a Tardis.

Charlie Saiz

buy’ (for the resident pedant)

Monti

Miiaaaooowwwww

andybhoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBvGzaHUc-s

Did this scar you in your youth?

Uralius

Charlie Saiz you must never talk to strangers. Holy crap I remember that, but it must have been the early 80’s.

mike

Andybhoy,

You on the brandy? i dont believe it.
Fantastic team,Fantastic players,Fantastic people.sadly they are nearing journeys end,those that remain.
But enough of the sadness time for a song.
Oh father dear i often hear you speak of Erins Isle,naw time for a Brandy.Ya Beauty.

Monti

Mike,
I like a bit of ‘ Pearse Jordan ‘ by Eire Og!

mike

Monti,(THANKS)

R.I.P.Pearse Jordan.
In our thoughts, in our prayers,in our hearts.
MAGIC Eire Og.

Monti

Mike,
Don’t know if you have heard of a band called ‘ FIANNA ‘?
I like them a lot and they do a good version of ‘ The town I loved so well’ HH

Enjoy!

ewanbhoy

I think with Ronny he will play 2 up front with a target man and a goal scorer and I won’t argue with that as long as he plays that formation more often. His. 4-2-3-1 works well away in Europe, that is when we can defend properly but in Scotland we must play with 2 strikers.
Don’t think there is any chance of Hooper coming back, 1 reason is wages and another is he doesn’t want to live up here.

Monti

” Works well away in Europe “????

Go on…….

delbhoy

Cifti and griffiths up front please

mike

Ewanbhoy,
4-2-3-1,works well in Europe away,really?
Ronnie will never alter his philosophy, (john Collins).He meant his Tactics.How on earth can a manager say that before he sees the opposition and how they are set up.
We need Rankers back in the top flight to sharpen us up (john Collins.No mention of the cheating,criminalety,no feeling for the support,who certainly dont want associated with these Bigots ever again,i want them dead,again.
We will not take anymore loan deals,why develop any other clubs players,(Ronny Deillia),we will wait and see whos signed,on what kind of contract,if any.

ewanbhoy

I would stick with Griffiths and Cole up front. Cole’s presence and physicality will scare the opposition and will give Griffiths more space to score the goals

mike

ewanbhoy,

Contrary to what you posted about systems, now are you advocating 4-4-2 Away?
The point i am trying to make is that you must be versatile and not rigid,you must be able to alter systems .

mike

Hooper,never, ever go back it just does not work,always go forward there is plenty young Scottish players out there,find them,buy them,Develop them.

Charlie Saiz

Yep I agree Hooper left for a reason.

Monti

Mike,
Would you take VVD back or Denayer?

ewanbhoy

Did we not play well in Amsterdam and Turkey ? Away in Europe 1 striker will always be the option and having 2 holding midfielders to protect the defence makes sense too. As I. Said if we defend probably then Ronny’s system works.

Charlie Saiz

Totally correct it worked fine last season (broke a league defensive record of 96 years)at home and has been deployed by Lenny in Europe to many a time (nobody moaning about it then I seem to remember).
eila decided it’s best we play this System at home and abroad this way there is no need to shuffle as players are used to playing it week in week out.
The defence has been the issue not the System.

Morto

Personally I thought Lenny used 4-4-1-1, but you’re the stats man so I’ll take that as accurate.

mike

ewanbhoy,

Yes the team played wellish in Amsterdam and Turkey,but we didnt win did we?I could mention,Maribor home,Malmo away and various other results when the system was not appropriate.
You must be able to adjust your tactics to suit your players the ccnditions and how the other teams plays,if you cant adjust then you are at a disadvantage.
As for the league defensive record that was down to the players not the system.

Charlie Saiz

So when it works it has to be dismissed but when it doesn’t it has to be dismissed interesting.
The System is fine.
Ou defence has been the issue this Season.

mike

Charlie,

The system is fine if you have the players that can play it,its not if you dont or its not appropriate to play it in the conditions that exist..
I.E. away at Malmo/Mold if you are trying to hold a lead then why on earth would you play a fully attacking system.How often away in Europe did we see our defence exposed because the so called defensive midfielders and wingbacks were so far forward.They should have played a more defensive system.
That was the right for those conditions.Versatility is the key.

ewanbhoy

#properly

Monti

Ambrose?

ewanbhoy

Ambrose has made some bad mistakes but that aside he can defend, on the other hand Boyata makes mistakes every game, not as bad as efe’s mistakes I will give you that but Boyata just can’t defend full stop.

Steve Naive

Was never a fan of Peter Pointer, thought he was a bit basic to say the least and even worse in his various assistant manager roles. One day I found out from one of his in laws that he was injured before the Airdrie Cup Final and was in a caliper up to the Thursday before. He passes a fitness test with gritted teeth and played his heart out for the team (Pierre scored)before I think re-injuring it near the end. I think two caps also ? Take 11 of him now.

ewanbhoy

Peter Grant is one of us but lacked any quality and was part of one of the worst Celtic teams ever in the 90’s so I wouldn’t take 1 of him never mind 11.

Bgbhoy

Would take Peter grant over Scott brown all day long

Monti

Peter Grant was a wee battler for Celtic,wasn’t blessed with flair or skill but he played for the jersey!

Porty Auldyin

There was a story when TB was manager and told Peter to get in about Gascoigne (I think) in the looming game against the tax-dodgers, hoping Gascoigne would lose the rag and pick up another red card. The bold Peter pointed out that he might get sent off too, to which TB replied “Aye, but we’ll no miss you as much as they’ll miss him”.

Oh to have players of their calibre now.

ewanbhoy

It’s actually unbelievable to think that a team with McStay and Collins in midfield could be so bad but sadly it was……just shows you that you need a defence that can defend and forwards that can score.

Monti

I think you’ll find that the problem at that time was in the boardroom, a bit like now!

Uralius

Quite frankly the argument of 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 will never be satisfied. I like 4-2-3-1 because of its versatility. With players that can play in a few positions it can morph into. A 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-1-1, 3-3-3-1, 5-2-2-1, 5-2-3. All it requires is: 1x RW/LIF/LCF 1x LW/RIF/RCF 1X AMC/MC/DMC 1X CD/DMC/MC 1X DMC/MC 1X RB/RWB 1X LB/LWB 2X CD 1x GK/SK Obviously the roles adopted by the midfielders will be varied, but the CB/DMC/MC is something we are sorely missing. This also goes a long way to explaining why Ronny plays players out of position. If having this versatility throughout… Read more »

Monti

NURSE? NURSE?
QUICK FFS

Andy

Why did my logic almost infect you with the ability to reason?

andybhoy

Oh dear. Take what is basically a simple game and turn it into a bastardised version of chess.

Uralius

Aye, but it wasn’t me or Celtic that turned it into a version of chess. You can thank the Italians and Germans of the 80’s and 90’s for that. I am only bringing my opinion to the table concerning what I believe Ronny’s plan is.

andybhoy

The Italians were already at it in the 60’s as were the Hungarians.

andybhoy

Doesn’t mean it’s right or indeed the Celtic way. We’ve always been better playing off the cuff football.

🙁 🙂 😉 ;( 😀

Sorry that fourth one was shite. 🙁

TBH the problem I find with Stokes when it breaks down, he stop flings his hands in the air and looks to blame someone.
On another subject their is a lot of silly bitching on the site between same bhoys most posts.
If I wanted a stupid conversation I would of just talked to the misses.

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