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Celtic Diary Friday December 8: Proof Of Progress ?

Statistics , of course, can be interpreted any way you want them to be. So if we are to take any notice of them, we should at least look to professional statisticians. We should consider who has presented them, and exactly why they have done the research.

Then we should look only at the figures, and decide for ourselves if they are in any sense valid.

In this case, its the International Federation of Football History and Statistics, which may be a more grandoise title than they perhaps deserve, but they certainly take their stuff seriously.

Should we ?

Every year, they compile lists, its what statisticians do, and this years world club rankings are, well, interesting, and maybe even a little surprising.

Before we look at them, let’s remind ourselves how they are compiled.

Here are some explanations for the CLUB WORLD RANKING. This ranking is intended to establish among all domestic and continental competitions the strongest team of the year in the World. It is set by the sum of all weighted points in each competition from January to December. This ranking does not give bonuses for exceeding a round or winning a competition. Each competition has its own value, according to the IFFHS rules, fixed by the IFFHS Executive Committee.

CONTINENTAL COMPETITIONSpoints/match

W

D

L

UEFA Champions’ League

14

7

0

UEFA Europa League

12

6

0

UEFA Super Cup

14

7

0

Copa Libertadores (CONMEBOL)

14

7

0

Copa Sudamericana (CONMEBOL)

12

6

0

CAF Champions’ League

9

4,5

0

Confederations Cup (CAF)

7

3,5

0

AFC Champions’ League

9

4,5

0

AFC Cup

7

3,5

0

AFC Presidents Cup

4

2

0

CONCACAF Champions’ League

9

4,5

0

OFC Champions’ League

5

2,5

0

FIFA Club World Cup (final not included)

14

7

0

FIFA Club World Cup (final)

21

10,5

0

 When a match is resolved by penalties, it is considered as drawn match, including finals.

 

DOMESTIC COMPETITIONS

There are 4 levels, so the strongest leagues are in the top level (level 4). Each country has a number (example:Germany/4, Portugal/3, Austria/2 or Kazakhstan/1), it indicates the level for the league. Each level has different points by match. Each year the ranking for “The Strongest National League of the World” decides the level of each league for the next year.

DOMESTIC LEAGUESpoints/match

W

D

L

Level 4

4

2

0

Level 3

3

1,5

0

Level 2

2

1

0

Level 1

1

0,5

0

DOMESTIC CUPSpoints/round

W

D

L

Level 4

12

6

0

Level 3

8

4

0

Level 2

5

2,5

0

Level 1

1,5

0,75

0

Any domestic supercup is considered.

Only there are considered rounds because there are domestic cups with one match by round and domestic cups with two legs for a round. The global result decides. When a round is decided by penalties, it is considered as a drawn match.

Only there are considered the last 4 rounds (1/8, 1/4 semifinals and final) in order to homogenize every domestic cup in the world.

 Scotland is a level 3 league.

So, how did we do ?

Club World Ranking 2015
by IFFHS
(1st January 2015 – 31st December 2015)

Place Club Country/level Points
1 FC Barcelona España/4. 379,00
2 Juventus FC, Torino Italia/4. 286,00
3 SSC Napoli Italia/4. 268,00
4 FC Bayern München Deutschland/4. 263,00
5 Paris Saint-Germain FC France/4. 257,00
6 Real Madrid CF España/4. 241,00
7 Club Independiente Santa Fe CD, Bogotá Colombia/3. 240,00
8 ACF Fiorentina, Firenze Italia/4. 236,00
9 CA River Plate, Buenos Aires Argentina/4. 234,50
10 VfL Wolfsburg Deutschland/4. 232,00
11 BV Borussia 09 Dortmund Deutschland/4. 228,00
12 Sevilla FC España/4. 226,00
13 CA Boca Juniors, Buenos Aires Argentina/4. 220,00
14 Arsenal FC, London England/4. 216,00
15 FC Basel 1893 Schweiz/3. 213,50
16 CF Tigres de la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León México/3. 213,00
17 SS Lazio, Roma Italia/4. 212,00
18 SC Internacional, Porto Alegre Brasil/4. 210,00
18 Athletic Club, Bilbao España/4. 210,00
20 AS Monaco FC France/4. 209,00
21 CS Emelec, Guayaquil Ecuador/3. 207,50
22 Club Brugge KV Belgique/3. 207,00
23 Club Atlético de Madrid España/4. 206,00
24 Celtic FC, Glasgow Scotland/3. 202,00
25 SC Corinthians Paulista, São Paulo Brasil/4. 198,00
26 GNK Dinamo Zagreb Hrvatska/3. 195,00
27 Villarreal CF España/4. 194,00
28 Club Guaraní, Asunción Paraguay/3. 193,50
29 Racing Club de Avellaneda Argentina/4. 192,00
30 FC Dynamo Kiiv Ukrayina/3. 189,00   

Molde and Malmo are also on the lists, further down 100 and 146th respectively, which of course could mean the whole list is nonsense, but its not about one off games, its about the performance over the whole year, which shows that Celtic are up seven places overall, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

None of these stats reflect the wet and windy afternoons sitting in the stand wondering why we bother, but its an interesting view when you consider they take into account things like results, and after all, its a results business with a desire to entertain, but its the results that matter.

Note that the English league, which has performed poorly by its own standards in europe, only has one team in the top forty, and you could certainly argue that the quality has dropped down south of late, as players who play purely for the money dominate the game.

As far as I see it, and you’re welcome to disagree, maybe Celtic are on the right path after all.

By the way, you are unlikely to see this report in any of the newspapers.

What you will see is transfer speculation, because its that time of year again. January, when clubs panic buy when the manager realises the players he has put his faith in aren’t as good as they appeared on the agents video. And his team are lurching toward another monotonous season with only the cup to look forward to.

 Thats why i was heartened to read that Celtic are now looking at a player who caught their eye when they were looking at someone else.

The old fashioned way of recruiting.

Ljuban Crepulja, pictured below , drew admiring glances from scouts while they were watching Ivan Mocinic, at the Rijeka -Belupo match, and I think I know why he stood out.

Ljuban Crepulja, a defensive midfielder, has been linked with Celtic. Picture: nk-slaven-belupo.hr

He looks not unlike someone else in the game;

Look closely, and you’ll see both players have exactly the same amount of heads, and its the correct number if you want to succeed at the highest level.

I’ve not really mentioned any of the numerous transfer targets thus far, as they are clearly the result of surfing through agents videos and therefore nothing to get really excited about, but the fact this guy stood out in a game is interesting, and maybe if we do get him in, and he does well, then perhaps it could set a trend.

One other target does deserve a mention, mainly because the signs are he will end up in glasgow this month, and thats Aleksandr Pantic. And where better to turn to than to a Sky sports pundit for a few words on the players capabilities.

Well, normally anywhere would be better to turn to than a sky sports pundit, but Gerry Armstrong, who does Spanish football for the channel, knows a little more about the game than most, and he said;

“Eibar are a good team and Pantic has been part of a solid defence . A centre-half who does well in Spain should be a success in Scotland, because La Liga is a lot more difficult to play in than the Scottish league. That would especially be the case if you are competitive, if you have that edge to your game. And Eibar do have that competitive spirit,”  

Theres no further news on Georgios Samaras making a possible return, but his agent has said that any player returning to Celtic would have to take a pay cut, which we know goes without saying, but its interesting that he is saying it..

Tom Rogic is discussing a new deal at Celtic, but there are whispers he might not want to sign it. but only whispers at this stage.

his agent has been telling him of another offer…

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For those of us expecting great things from Wout Weghorst, the striker linked with Celtic after a move to Cardiff didn’t materialise, Peter McVitie, a Scoits journalist working in the Netherlands, said;

don’t think he’s anything special & don’t expect him to reach a high level. Celtic should be capable of aiming higher  

Perhaps our own man in Amsterdam could offer his opinion….

Celtic are still looking closer to home, as RTE report;

Celtic have confirmed their interest in signing St Patrick’s Athletic forward Darragh Markey.

The 18-year-old Dubliner is travelling over to Glasgow for a bounce match on Sunday.

Markey is believed to have attracted the interest of several Premier League clubs but Celtic are hoping to steal a march on them and has been given perision by St Pat’s to travel.

Markey’s agent, Gerry Carlile, said: “He will go over for one day for a game. He will have a look at them and they will have a look at him.

“There are a lot of clubs interested in him. He is still a St Pat’s player but we will see what happens.”  

Another Irishman, Anthony Stokes, looks certain to leave this month, although you never know quite what goes on in his head sometimes, and his former mentor John hughes, manager at Inverness, has confirmed he wants him up there.

If Celtic feel he has to play football, then what better to come and work with his old gaffer. I know what buttons to press with Stokesy and to get the best out of him.

I brought him as a young kid from Falkirk and he was a revelation I’ve heard Leeds are in for him but I keep in touch with him. Maybe I’m ahead of the game.

“All we’ve done is made an enquiry – it’s now in the hands of Stokesy, the agent and what’s best for Celtic. I got on great with him.

“He’s a loveable rogue. Sometimes he’s his own worst enemy but in football terms, it excites me that he could strike up a partnership with Miles.”  

Celtic may be reluctant to let him stay in Scotland, but if a clause was inserted to prevent him playing against the hoops, then it would surely be the best move for the player.

That clause is necessary , though, as Stokes would cause havoc amongst our back line if he put his mind to it, and right now, his problems are all in his mind.

Thats the sensible stuff out of the way, now lets get an expert in to talk about transfers, and how you can play the market, you know, like a city trader would…

Some people will question the merits of signing players from Accrington Stanley but I have two words for you: Jamie Vardy.

He got his move to Leicester from Fleetwood after starting his career in the lower reaches of English football and now he is being linked with Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd.

There are gems out there and you have to go looking for them. Mark wouldn’t have brought Matt and Josh in if he didn’t think they were good enough and couldn’t handle the pressure of being at Rangers.

Derek Johnstone spoeaking there in the Ibrox Evening Times, a Glasgow based fanzine edited by Chris “Union 2 Jack, himself no stranger to lalaland.

Yes, there are gems out there if you look for them. And Jamie Vardy is one of them.

Which, in the confused logic of Johnstone implies that Crooks and Windass are the other two.

Still, it beats saying  “Look , we can’t afford anyone else and they wouldn.t come anyway. “

Manager Mark Warburton said just a few weeks ago that he wasn’t going to bring anyone in this month as it would be disresopectful to the players already there.

Can’t we trust anything that comes out of that place ?

Even the supporters group Rangers First are having doubts…

They put a poll in place to ask their memebers if they would contribute towards a £500,000 loan to the club, and assured fans that Dave King would match them pound for pound. They claimed thats what he had told them…

Dave King will match any other investment made every £ from for shares counts So join now

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However, the prospect of using his own money sent him all a quiver.. and when he was asked about it, pointed out a squirrel running across the pitch
Some of the support have received emails regarding the loan, and the.er, repayment plan, as explained by The Ibrox Buzz on twitter…
Did you get the email? It will be paid back as shares when we are listed on ISDX/Stock Exchange

Whats wrong with these people ?

Surely they must see a pattern emerging somewhere.

Anyway, the club moved swiftly to deny that King was going to put his own money in, something that wasn’t really needed to be clarified, as he never does anyway.

Away from them, and Id like to talk about the good guys again, at least a couple of them.

Darren O’Dea, back from his foreign sojourns has joined Paul Hartley at Dundee, and we’d like to wish both of them all the very best.

Reading between the lines , though, that means that Aiden McGeady will not be rejoining Celtic, as his minder will be living too far away for those nights out…

And congratulations to Doncaster striker Andy Williams , who has just been declared player of the month on sky sports.

All together-He’s just too good to be true….

Doo doo doo doo doo doo do do

I’m here all week.

Try the veal.

Caption competition, okay, here we go..

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Now, before you reply….

Thousands of people read this every day-i know, it surprises me as well-and they also read the comments.

For me, as i already know whats in the main article, the comments are a source of entertainment, and theres been countless times when a well thought out reply has made me think, and even altered an original viewpoint.

Or I’ve just enjoyed reading them.

I didn’t look at the page yesterday until I got in from work, around eight or thereabouts, and there were around a hundred or so comments to read. I always read all of them, and figured that with some of the stuff in yesterdays diary, there would be some interesting replies in there.

There was, but not much, as the replies column seems now to be a forum for hurling abuse at each other.

It stops as of today.

By all means disagree with each other, the etims team don’t even agree with each other, so it would be a little unrealistic to expect readers to.

But when you pen a reply, remember that there are an awful lot of people reading it, and frankly, they don’t give a toss about what you think about each other.

And neither do I.

Everyone who replies to this has at some time made an interesting or valid point.

Some of the debate has been outstanding. And entertaining

We’re going to return to that, and quite simply, if a reply contains any personal abuse it will be deleted.

And no further discussion of the matter will be undertaken.

Oh, did I wish you Happy New Year already ?

Lets get back to doing what we do best.

Intelligent , thought provoking and witty discussion.

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Monti
8 years ago

” Personal abuse “?
I wonder how the Srnicek family would have viewed your ‘ Joke ‘ about Pavel Srnicek, their recently deceased.

If you want myself and others to calm down a bit and be a bit more respectful to each other, maybe you should do the same and put a bit of thought into it, before you post the diary.

Is that fair enough?

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monty,

As Ralph said the guys on the ETims team disagree about the abilities of the manager, but there’s no need for anyone to go down the route of ongoing antagonism to each other.

We all have fall outs and the odd swearie from time to time but this should be the exception rather than what appears a regular norm. People should be allowed to write their thoughts on the diary or the football/general discussion without getting regular negative comments aimed their way.

If people don’t like it feel free to air their views somewhere else.

Let’s be civil towards each other and start 2016 in a far better way.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

Hector,
Do you not think that some people are maybe just a tad too sensitive?

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Disagreement is fine and to be encouraged on condition people aren’t antagonistic to each other and attempt to pen their responses in a decent manner. Emotions run high from time to time and we get that but let’s make that the exception, as it should be.

We really enjoy the contribution you all make on here. All we are asking is for everyone’s benefit we all try and be conscious that others views will differ from time to time and try our best to be civil with our responses.

Failure to do so will result in you and Charlie sharing a single end with no wifi access for a month!

🙂

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

🙂

iancelt59
8 years ago

Suppose its a return to plain old self abuse for me then eh?

Devoy45
8 years ago

Caption:”If that’s the Champion’s League ship, hell, we’re gonna need a bigger boat…” “Sorry but THIS is the bigger boat…”
Caption: “Phew,made it, that Ship Sevco is gonna sink…”
Agree Ralph,some of the abuse is fun and good craic but as Celtic supporters, we should try to keep to football matters. We all come on this site because we are supporters and maybe, sometimes, should support one another!
Example A (abuse) Fuckwit/twat/brown nose etc.
Example B (disagreement) Commons is no good, Forrest is brilliant, Ronny must go, two up front, 4-4-2, etc.

Mike Bhoyle
8 years ago

Mornin’ Ralph…
Based on the abuse between contributors I had been reading on here recently…I decided to take my meagre talents elsewhere.
However…now that I’ve read your article regarding this issue you will be pissed off to know…that I am now withdrawing my notice…and will continue to bore all and sundry with my in depth knowledge of the game in general and CFC in particular.
I will confirm,however, that I’m off behind enemy lines next week for about a month..(stop cheering up the back)so you’ll be spared for a wee while.
Keep up the good work.
Hh

BelgoBhoy
8 years ago

Good read! Totally agree on Weghorst, really is beneath us imo. Hopefully something in the Haller story, he’s a real gem. Would cost 5m or so so probably out of bounds.

Devoy45
8 years ago

Monti, your point about Smicek is right. Ralph made a big blunder there but that’s not typical of the man or his diary.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy,
I would rather Ralph responded to my point on this one though, remember many posters didn’t like the Srnicek ‘ joke ‘ not just me.
I’m not going to be lectured on offensive remarks by someone who has made an offensive remark.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I’m sure Ralph and the team will ignore the odd indiscretion or dodgy remark, Monti. I think he just doesn’t want endless feuding. Seems to make sense to me.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

Cecil,
I understand that, I just don’t think it’s as bad as some are making out!
I respect the fact that not all like the industrial stuff at times tho, I was brought up without a silver spoon though.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

So was I Monti an

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

So was I Monti and no doubt plenty others who frequent this site.
I can be as industrial as the next man when I choose to be you can be assured of that.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Charlie Saiz,
Oh you’re talking to me now are you?

bgbhoy
8 years ago

ronny deila, john collins, john kennedy, peter lawell and charlie saiz desert the sinking ship that is celtic football club… experts claim that thanks to this earlier than planned desertion that the celtic ship will be re-floated and many a cross sea’s trip will be made with a new skipper at the helm… *********this just in******* brendan rogers confirms that he is the new skipper of the celtic ship and confirms that there will be sailings well into march and april of next season

Daviebhoy
8 years ago

Caption “is that the Titanic or is it the old ipox club, oh they are one and the same, why do I get that sinking feeling”
Hail Hail Ralph good Diary as always, and well said I couldn’t agree more.

Monti
8 years ago

Caption: A group of Statisticians in the small boat, head out to the Titanic to deliver the stats of the Iceberg about to appear!

Andy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Titanic jokes are fine though….

torrancetimebomb
8 years ago

don’t really think that these stats represent the true picture but I am sure Charlie will.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

I don’t pay attention to stats out with our general play bud as I am only really interested in that aspect.
I was asked the othe week to produce some on Penalties this year and as it was something I had thought about decided to follow it up and post them on here on behalf of the member.
It’s a bore to some I know but hey you can’t please everyone can you?
HH

celtsfan67
8 years ago

Brendan Rogers…. Holy shit! I’d rather have Ted Rodgers

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  celtsfan67

Oh really?
Pray tell why Brendan Rodgers wouldn’t do a good job for Celtic?
I mean, he did nothing for Swansea or Liverpool, did he?

Said with the utmost respect for your thoughts….

mike
8 years ago

Ralph,
So there you have it,despite my post yesterday stats.do have a role to play in evaluating all thing Celtic.
If anyone took offence at what i posted yesterday then i am man enough to apologise unreservedly but please remember if anyone offends me then youll get it back.
Paul Kellys lyrics, i close my eyes and then i canny see,but close your mind and well there is no hope for you.
I beleive that the January signings will define not only the management team but the club overall. There is so much going on in the background on many many issues, some only related to Scottish fitba and those that concern only our great club.
We cannot close our minds to the overall state of Scottish Fitba because it does concern our great club, the following months are going to be very interesting.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike,
I was deeply offended by all of your posts yesterday, so much do I went out into the garden with a cup of Green tea and a Gypsy cream, on order to recover.
🙂

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti or whoever you are today?

I could never offend you and never would, it would be like slappin maself in the puss.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike,
I like your style m8!

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti,

Fuck me its a love Fest,
Sadly if its between you and Nigella you would miss out.
Have a guid weekend,Hail Hail.

Monti
8 years ago

Notice this morning the closest we are coming to completing a transfer is the Irish guy?

Can’t wait for the CL qualifiers now!

Remember and get to the superstore for your 50% off, dig deep now!

Londonbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

It is only the 8th January Monti!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Londonbhoy

London,
If I was in control at the park, I would have been concluding business a minute after the bells!

Londonbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Ideally so would I pal, but agents are greedy bastards nowadays, gladly drag out the whole window to get five hundred quid more!

Cartvale88
8 years ago

Caption ‘Monti’s ‘ late arrival fr his cruise.
I think that statistics prove anything Ralph, Celtic have been on a downward spiral since MON left, Strachan papered over there cracks, Lenny made a slight difference, but the demise of Sevco made things look better.
The board do not seem t realise that as Jock said people turn up to be entertained. Have gon to Paradise threw thick and thin, however this year I have attended far fewer games as the performances on the pitch are dire. At the few away games I have been to the fans are the difference.
You can gitter on all day about Delilah, JC and JPK, statistics, look at Charlie Saiz a statisticians dream.
But you have to look at reality and the performances this season in general have been mince.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

Cartvale,
Good post and covers a lot of what the supporters are feeling.

Tourtenay
8 years ago

I don’t comment much on any site and I read most of the comments on here and I don’t find any of the comments I read either sexist, homophobic or racist, although on more than one occasion comments in the lead article do appear to be sexist.
Unless comments fall into any of the above parameters then they do not deserve censorship, yes comments may be heated at times and offence may be taken but that is what open debate generates, heated heartfelt discussion.
Censorship takes the heart out of the conversation and portrays a false impression.
I cannot remember reading comments on here from anyone who does not love CELTIC to the core and it is that love that generates the mood on this site.
So please reconsider the censorship idea because the comments, so far do not deserve it.
YNWA

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Great post Tourtenay,
Some folk are just a bit sensitive, which will turn into email complaints to the Etims team.
I have been called everything on here but don’t go running to the teacher about it.
Some will and do….

Tourtenay
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

How many times have we had a heated debate in some bar or other place and someone says “your just a feckin halfwit” or words to that effect, initial umbrage is taken, the conversation calms apologies made and then we carry on debating.
It’s difficult to replicate that atmosphere on a site like this, or any other come to think of it.
As long as our comments do not degenerate into the type of language that would shame us, then so far as things stand censorship does not belong here.
Faith in Celtic.

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Guid Post Tourenay,

In the spirit of Love and affection only to be displayed now on E Tims,I canny believe that anyone would offend you Monti,
guid reply btw.

Mike Bhoyle
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I’m a grizzly old age pensioner who has been around the block a few times…and when it comes to swearing..I’ve got a PhD.
However…some of the stuff I was reading on here recently didn’t offend my sensibilities…it just pissed me off.
By all means disagree with someone…but do it in a reasonable way.
If you read my earlier post you’ll see that I was going to chuck the Blog…but if Ralph stops the nonsense..and a lot of it was nonsense… then I’ll stay.
If not…then I’m off.
No big deal..it’s the way I am.

Tourtenay
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Bhoyle

MB, the important thing is that you are not off, your staying with us and remember, keep year heed doon behind enemy lines.
YNWA

andybhoy
8 years ago

Caption;
The Sons of Donegal Celtic brake club’s 1914 annual trip to Largs goes spectacularly wrong.

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy,

It was only a practise for the upcoming 100 year anniversity.

Corktim
8 years ago

Well said Ralph a fact of life people disagree,it’s a fact of life,things can get heated when the topic is dear to the heart such as our great club,but some people have started personnel stuff when someone disagrees with their comments,Come on we are all Celtic supporters,but if someone insults me I reserve the right to reply.

CeciltheLion
8 years ago

Fantastic to see we might get cameras to record in-play incidents in Scottish Cup matches. If they’re as effective as the CCTV and Police Scotland cameras trained on 50,000 2angers’ fans singing happily about “knees”, “blood” and “Fenians”, they’ll be a real benefit to the game.

Maybe we need cameras in the committee rooms and boardrooms at Crapden Park; now they’d be bound to improve the game.

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  CeciltheLion

The number of decisions Celtic get given against them Cecil they will turn the snapshots into a Movie. I wonder who the ref will be talking to when he asks for an interpretation of an incident ? Just another OMIB so we will then have an analysis of the analysis of the TV evidence . I can’t wait to watch the pantomime unfold .☘☘☘

Monti
8 years ago

Can I still swear at least? 🙂

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Of course you can. Think of it as a Celtic pub and when someone’s talking shite you go and talk to someone else 🙂

delbhoy
8 years ago

It seems like this site and a few on it will peddle out any old crap, stats , history, anything to brainwash us into thinking were on the right path. Why not just admit we are pish! Ive been a season book holder for years and i can see it with my own eyes every week. We have a manager who has had the easiest run as hoops manager ever , with no realistic competition yet we arw struggling badly. We are woeful and we should be sweeping teams aside with our squad and budget. We are not! It aint because of development and the state of the game it is because we have an inept manager. Am i and the thousands who are staying away wrong and ralph , charlie siaz are right. Wgat planet are you folk on.

i watched a lecture of ronnys on youtube and he is banging on about taking fear away and its ok to lose. There lies the problem its not ok and never has been for celtic to lose. We are not strom nobodys with a ten yr plan getting slightly better each year. We are being treated like stromdat or who ever they are . They are a shite mid table team in the norwegian league. Ronny should fone martin oneil to find out who we are !

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

delbhoy,
Quality!

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

Delbhoy,

That sums up the management team for me,in theory very good,but you have got to deliver on the park, thats what counts everything else is froth.
I have no doubt that Ronny would be good at developing young players,but there seems to be a lot of friction between the senior players.
Thats why any signings this month are crucial,to give him his own team. I will reserve judgement until the seasons end.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

At no point have I argued we ae playing well because the simple fact of the matter is we haven’t been.
However despite that we are still doing enough to be sat on top of the League despite injuries.player sales and poor individual form of key men.
My argument has been when these issues resolve themselves we will bee better.
The stats pertain to aspects of the above and current debates.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Jesus fucking wept…

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

Would that be MON who walked away when the money ran out?☘☘☘

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Dan The Man

To be fair I think his wives ill health was the main reason Dan.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

wife’s 😉

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

That was the official line Charlie ,he was offered a year out to care for her by Celtic and he knocked it back. He wanted out.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

It seems if you are not in the Ronny Out Brigade then whatever you say is dismissed a shite in an instant.
Facts ,figures don’t matter apparently or even the fact we are top of the League that’ too dismissed in an instant.
Seems to me far too many have become accustomed to winning and take this League as a given right just because one poorly run Club imploded?
Well every point and every game needs to be fought for and won there are many variables that can win you or lose you a game it’s not purely a monetary thing.
We pay more because of who we are that does not guarantee anything.
All it does is increase the likelihood you will succeed.
Deila get’s my backing until he no longer proves he has what it takes to win things at Celtic.
2 Titles in the bag on course for 3 more.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Oh dear!

Greenmaestro
8 years ago

“Too big to go down”

ewanbhoy
8 years ago

Alot of talk about abuse and sensitivity today.
The pavel Srnicek joke might have been a bit raw and close to being out of order but I think the nature of Etims which is a bit like standup comedy means it was made in a non sinister manner which is ok. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and some will not like that comment but others won’t be bothered by it. Put it this way, if you went to a standup comedy show, you will hear alot worse.
I think there was a bit of an over reaction to it …..time to move on.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Spot on.

Bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Ok so in the name of stand up comedy……. “There’s henrik Larsson and Lubomir moravcik. The Ibrox disaster it was magic… No issues with that either then?

bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Bgbhoy

may i add that i dont agree with the above song… im seeing if people are offended by the above…. in my eyes mocking one dead or 66 is all the same…. not that i was overley offended by ralphs joke as it was just a joke and you would get alot worse at a frankie boyle concert

ewanbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

I said comedy in a non sinister way, your comment on the ibrox disaster is totally unacceptable. To compare that with Ralphs joke is brutal to be honest.

Bgbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

It’s mocking the dead. The exact same as what Ralph was doing. Which is why I posted it… to see the reaction it would get. Like I said. Mocking one dead or 66 there is no difference. You can’t say they are not the same!!!!!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Ewanbhoy,
There is no difference!

8 years ago

If anyone doesn’t like Ralphs sense of humour, do us all a favour and try and channel your annoyance into actually penning an article that would appeal to your own sense of sensitivity.
We are always happy to post it up

As Ralph lives in Stoke, he has enough problems to deal with than people playing the “oh thats low” card.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Desimond

I do but not all of what I write get’s put up which is fine by me.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

….and me!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Desimond

But it was low, accept that!!

Atlantabhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Desimond

Spot on Desi, the hypocrisy of some folk on here is laughable.

Ralph is correct, debate brilliant, swearing acceptable, but there have been some low blows here among fellow fans, no need, get a grip. This is a diary not a feckin Daily Ranger comments forum

HH

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Atlantabhoy

It isn’t spot on tho….

Atlantabhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Well given you are the main culprit you would say that, but you are putting a lot of people off reading these comments.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Atlantabhoy

Go on…..

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Desimond

Desimond,
Just read your post here again, two things Desi, 1) I think it’s perfectly reasonable of a poster or posters to raise a complaint with Ralph if there is something in the Diary that doesn’t sit well with them.

2) It has nothing to do with our sensitivity or indeed sensibilities, it has everything to do with decency.

I’m not questioning Ralph’s character here, all I’m saying is the Pavel Srnicek ‘ joke ‘ was poorly timed and unnecessary.
A fair few fellow Tims agreed.

So you can bang on all day about what we can do, we didn’t fucking write it and post it did we?
If you are going to have a go at me and others for this and that, fair enough, but balance it by what you include in the diary!

JIMBO
8 years ago

STATS

The trend in Scottish football in general is south, so how long before we are a level 2 league? Is the real question that needs answered .. and what is the plan to reverse this trend …. SLA !!!!

JIMBO
8 years ago
Reply to  JIMBO

Club and international level .

JIMBO
8 years ago
Reply to  JIMBO

SFA not SLA :0)

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

I agree with both the Site Owners and the comments below the fact of the matter is we all have our own opinions and have our own unique way of arriving at them.
I use what I see,what I read,stats and my own judgement before I come to any conclusion.
The reason I do this is because sometimes you don’t see the entire picture,sometimes what has been written is done so with a personal slant or objective,sometimes my judgement may be impaired because my emotions have kicked in and so then I try to look at raw data or facts.
The stats that I have been using mainly on this site have been specific to the current debates.
The continued argument of 1 up 2 up
The defensive issues we currently have been experiencing
The apparent or not so apparent decline in results
The main issues of debate in this site have been dominated by these 3 factors as they all encompass the question:
IS DEILA GOOD ENOUGH OR THE RIGHT MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD?
The fan base is split on this I get that and I accept that ,that after all has always been the case as long s I have followed Celtic.
If a site member continually posts 1 up is shite then I feel compelled to discuss that further because I know through my own methods that htis is simply not the case and will argue that point.
However I will draw the line at getting personal to enforce my point.
I won’t be conversing with several of the posters on here from now on however If they continue with the personal stuff then I will highlight it and bring it up.
That goes for the trolling too.
Sorry this was so long winded but some things take more than a single sentence ending in pish,shite,arsehole or twat.
Good read today Ralph well said same to you Hector.
HH

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Nurse?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

You, long winded? Never….
Extremely dull, repetitive drivel delivering? Definitely!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

” I won’t be conversing with several posters “?
Hahaha oh dear, dear dear!!

Kleenex sir?

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie, I disagree with a lot of what you pen about Ronny but you are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else.

Btw Ralph was Ronny’s biggest critic until Ronny held his hawn a few months back….see oot bassa that Ralph is!

🙂

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

I tend to look for positives in a person first rather than the negatives and in Ronny Deilas case the former far outway the latter.
He has taken over from a succesful Manager in Lenny after a particularly good period in Europe.
That was never going to be easy.
I believe a new Manager needs about 3 years to put a stamp on his side.
Ronny is 18 month into that 3 year period and if the Board don’t back him to a decent level he won’t reach his goals.
He set his stall out as to what he wanted to achieve,the style he wanted us to play and the Formation he felt would get us there.
I am happy enough to see it through.
That may not sit well with plenty others but hey it’s all about perception ,opinion and fact.
Nothing of what we say changes anything one iota.

hailhail
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Mate I don’t post on here that often but I feel that you are trying really hard now to noise people up! how you defend Deila is admirable but surely you can see why other people want him out.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  hailhail

I don’t care what anyone else wants bud I think Deila is on the right path for our Club at this time.
Europe’s a bonus to me not the be all and end all.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  hailhail

hail Hail,
He has to be, surely 🙂

basqueceltic
8 years ago

I have complained about some comments going over the top,i don’t like it when people on here call others fuckwits/morons or halfwits.I enjoy the craic on here,look forward to it every day from the blog to the comments…..even tasteless jokes,has nobody ever repeated a joke about Michael Jackson’s death or any royal or politician???Caption…..e-tims censorship starts it maiden voyage…….without monti,charlie saiz,bgbhoy and ralph….haha see what I did there?Hail Hail.

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  basqueceltic

What Michael Jacksons Dead ?

Basqueceltic,Royals and Politicians,how can anybody laugh at them, the original Zombies.There no funny everytime i read about or see them on my telly i think about all my hard earned tax disapearing in a fog of greed.
Hows the weather over there btw has Monti tapped you for a holiday yet? if no first dabs to me.

schoosh71
8 years ago

Hey TIMS, we are awe TIMS.

As HMS SEVCO sailed off over the horizon all that was heard echoing through the sea breeze was, ” I’m rowing, I’m rowing, it’s not the same as walking, RIGHT”. HH

iancelt59
8 years ago

My fear is. Is that this is the beginning of an irreversivble demise and the comments on here are reflecting this. We are now just a business thats had to downsize and in effect had to employ an inferior workforce that is affordable on order to kerp the business afloat.

The current board has a mindse that there will be s generation of fans who are prepared to accept mediocrity and suport it with zeal.

I think the fans sense this thus this turning on each other with abuse because the arguments are becoming more black and white. So there is polarisation . My standpoint is to not accept whats happening . Dont let our universal brsnd and history be compromised into becoming a third tier business venture.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  iancelt59

iancelt,
Without doubt the best post so far, the reason or reasons I am pissed off a lot is because we( the supporters) are being shafted, we are being emotionally fucked with by this board.
They are diluting Celtic and Downsizing a magnificent football club, this should not be fucking tolerated.
Lawwell is taking £1m per year for delivering ” a gamble ” of a manager. It is disgusting.
All this talk of patience, building and developing is utter fucking rubbish.
We have had no domestic competition for years, yet the team is worse, results and performances are abysmal.
Yes we have seen worse Celtic sides and had years without winning things, but that should be firmly gone now, all we ask is that we have a real good side out on the park who consistently perform and entertain.
The thing that hurts the most is that I DON’T believe in what the club are doing, I DON’T believe in this manager and team, they are fucking Charlatans.

It isn’t patience that is required here, it is fucking sackings, starting with Lawwell!

Time for a revolution!

Patience? Fuck that!

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti,

I agree with much of what you write about Ronny and Lawwell and some on the board. Stick it into an article and we’ll publish after removing all the “f@ck, c@nt and w@nker remarks!
🙂

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

🙂

Dex1969
8 years ago

Caption: War chest stolen from SS Sevco,but according to press reports £30 million will be spent to refurbish the 3 year old ship.Captain King has stated that this investment will result in a top quality crew.Onlookers can’t believe it’s still afloat
Or Caption: Smart investors save themselves from the sinking SS The Ranger International

iancelt59
8 years ago

And id wager theres a charlie saiz and monti on other blogs. I dont get offended though i wont resort to ad hominem attacks unless im attacked thats just human nature .

Celtic supporters arent willing to do long term projects that dont appear to show levels of improvement . The mccann years took their toll . Though they at least had a strong cheating rangers as an excuse and a new stadium as a reward. Now there is inly signs of decline and wayward management.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  iancelt59

Trust me Ian I have held back plenty on here when a full volley was warranted but being the kind of person I am for the sake of others I refrained from doing so.
As for the Club we have been downsizing since O’Neill left,both in terms of quality and in terms of aspirations.
All the bluff and bluster from the flannel merchants at CP has not altered my view on that.
They do as little as they can to eap as much as they can.
It’s purely business for these “Celtic men”.
What we are seeing now is the end result of that process now they are at a Crossroads,Attendances down folk losing interest.
Stick or twist we shall see.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

reap’

BroxburnBhoy
8 years ago

I agree Ralph trolling and inane abuse is a bit tiresome. I think the question of disagreement is easy enough plenty of people have disagreed very civilly and without any personal attack. It’s kind of easy. Also given that fact that not one of us has managed a professional top league football team nor probably played for one, our opinions on others suitability or capability to do that are just that opinions. Entertaining, controversial and sometimes heated and yet opinion. My own very much included. I enjoy the back and forth here the Monti and Charlie show and all the other contributors. I’m happy we all care so much. Let’s avoid getting too offended by each other and avoid editing too much out.

liatroimbhoy
8 years ago

Happy New Year Ralph – I love the Diary; highlight of the day, but of late I have stopped reading the comments section, having simply grown tired of a handful of obsessive people using this site (and more specifically the Diary) as a platform to attack what I can only assume are fellow Celtic fans. The repetitive, childish nature of it all has me bored to tears. Thus, I was delighted to read the comments at the end of today’s Diary, and thought “great! it’ll stop today and we’ll get back to valid well thought out opinions”. Sadly though, no sign of that yet…………

I dont post very often (unless I have a point to make) but just to say keep up the good work m8; I dont always agree with you but you do at least present a unique take on the Celtic and one which over the years has presented a refreshing alternative to the lazy MSM narratives on our Club. Beir bua is beannacht

Dave
8 years ago

Seen in the last wee while mention in the Diary regarding the scouting system and using players from the same agent,

“Markey’s agent, Gerry Carlile” Gerry is also agent to Stokes, Niall McGinn and Paddy McCourt.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

things get heated…. now if everyone can agree that ronny must go we can all move on in peace….. 😉 hail hail

Gerry
8 years ago

I had a question regarding an issue Charlie Saiz brought up recently, and had asked the same question a month or so back with no reply.
When Lawwell said we lost £10m a year when they liquidated, was he asked to substantiate it; because I have no idea how he arrives at that figure. Our shirt sponsorship, merchandise, TV money etc are all long term deals so no real change. The only thing impacting turnover to that extent would surely be ticket sales.
Now there has been a decline in season ticket sales for the last ten years, imho primarily due to the entertainment for the fans, secondly for the economic downturn. Sevco are a distant third.
I agree with Charlie that if we ever play them again there will be two sellouts at Parkhead, but refuse to accept that will bring in £10m. To me it demonstrates the appetite of Lawwell for telling the fans any old thing to shut us up.

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

I don’t remember him ever breaking down the “£10m loss”.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

I don’t ever remember him mentioning the £14m we still owe the Co-Op but I do remember him declaring we were “Debt Free” knowing we did/do.
He’s a spin doctor and a efkin well paid one at that.

Devoy45
8 years ago

To change the thread for a minute.Has anybody had any news about Tom Campbell’s operation in Canada? I think he was having serious surgery just after Christmas? His is a voice I like to see on this forum. I think he knows more about Celtic’s history than almost anyone I can think of. He is also a fine person. His book on Bobby Evans may be out soon? Bobby had the misfortune to star for Celtic during some lean years, most of which I was too young to remember.

Hector
8 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

I read Tom had an Operation in Ottawa. Hope he recovers soon. He has some incredible knowledge of Celtic’s history.

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Hector

Hector,

Can we send him our best wishes,and tell him that we are thinking of him?

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago

I see the deluded nostalgia “Mind the 60s & 70s” brigade are out if force today.

A fearful bunch who in the face of change lash out at anyone who is incapable of replying to their nonsense. Blaming Lawwell, Deila, Collins, Desmond, The SFA, FIFA, UEFA and likely B&Q for the simple fact that Scottish fitba is an irrelevance and that Celtic, as a team playing fitba in Scotland, are also increasingly an irrelevance.

They don’t let that get in the way of their tedious daily ad nauseam though. Most certainly not.

Monti
8 years ago

Aah, professor plum joins in the debate,
You sir, are an example of the ‘ accepting mediocrity ‘ and not having the balls to speak against it Brigade.
The board should be honest with the supporters of the club, they have no intention of building a side capable of showing up well in the Champions league, not now or in the foreseeable future.
If this is the case, which judging by the lack of real quality in the side, would appear to confirm, then tell us, our level is going to be the Europa league, and seriously drop the cost of season tickets, European tickets and individual match day tickets, which are obscene.
If they are only interested in being top dog in Scotland and no longer have ambitions to see the club beat, Man Utd, Juventus, Porto, Milan and Barcelona, if they can’t deliver that anymore, then tell us!

This board and any future boards of Celtic need to realise one important thing, we are and always will be there for our club, they won’t.

If they think they made a mistake ( I do) in appointing Deila, hands up time and get rid.
If they believe he is the right man, then give him the funds for a few players who will make all the difference.
Just be honest with the fans, Lawwell tells us every year we are a Champions league club, well act like it then! HH

mike
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Well said Monti.Totally agree.

If we have a P.R.Department what do they do?

BroxburnBhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

On the contrary Monti I believe the Board aspire for the team to be in the CL groups every year. How they go about it – well that’s another matter

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  BroxburnBhoy

” The board aspire ” do they?

BB, if you had an England international goalkeeper on your books and sold him for £10m
Would your next action be to sign another goalkeeper who hadn’t played for 2 years?

Lawwell is Arthur Daly!

Tourtenay
8 years ago

Who are Celtic an irrelevance to and if so why have they become so?
For me Celtic will never become an irrelevance.
The main reason there is conflict among the support is because of the product on the field.
We are continually told that the business model has changed and we have stricter parameters within which to work, yes I understand that and even buy into it but does it have to be a model that produces the worst Celtic team I have ever seen.
The management team have been in place for long enough to realise that the model they’re producing isn’t working, yes we are in two cups and at the top of a shit league but the performance in Europe this season have been appalling.
With the Captain out of the team, Mulgrrew injured and Commons, our best player for the last three seasons playing a bit role it is clear we lack leadership on the field.
I do not see evidence of “deluded nostalgia” on this site but I do see real honest hearted Celtic fans who have had enough of the second class product being produced by a board that is taking them for granted and doesn’t appear to care.
They do not take into consideration what these honest hearted Celtic fans really want, they are passing all over us and telling us its raining.
If Lawwell, Desmond and Delia are not to blame for what they produce then pray tell who is.
Deluded nostalgia? Are you a tim!!!

alkmaarbhoy
8 years ago

So Wout Weghorst …Just Say NO. I’ve seen a few Heracles games without him making any impression whatsoever on me. Just filling a shirt, occasionally good, but mostly anonymous. I would be surprised if Celtic were really interested. By his age a Dutch player is either gone abroad or a journeyman. Rarely it turns out he’s a late developer…Jimmy Haisselbank and Pierre were the last ones I think.

Hear Hear for the comment on the comments. I want to hear from Pensionerbhoy again.

charlie
8 years ago

caption row faster ya daft cnut i told ye we shouldnae have had that last pint before boarding

maryhillbhoy
8 years ago

Monti your last posting was 100% accurate well said!!!

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

Maryhill,
Cheers,glad you liked it!

delbhoy
8 years ago

Charlie i wouldnt get personal i commend that you try and see the good in the bad mate but for me its simple , we have been playing rubbish. Your point is injuries and players off form , well pick other players , we have players like allan ans gms not getting a chance because the manager picks these out of form players. We have a big squad in a small league which can be changed at any time so players off form doesnt wash in scotland. Just replace them.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

Our problem is our second picks are not as good so invariably the end result is less.
We don’t buy class now ,we but potential oo mediocrity and try turn it into class.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

” our second picks aren’t as good ”
Surely no sides second picks are as good as their first, otherwise they would be first picks?

delbhoy
8 years ago

Well said monti . Take a bow

mike
8 years ago

Delbhoy,

You must be inside my head,thats too sensible you canny say that,though i agree with Charlie we could have utilised Efe in the holding midfielder role before Boyata was injured,stokesy to could have been played i assume that he was still having his salary paid.

delbhoy
8 years ago

Exactly mike , our bench would walk into our rivals teams. Good point about stokes, and where the fuck is nesbitt the boys making headlines in europe surely its time to bleed him in

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  delbhoy

I watched Nesbitt in the Development game against Liverpool down in Chester shortly before christmas and if I am honest I was expecting more than what I seen.
He was doing plenty graft and chasing things down at speed but looked a bit like a headless chicken at times.
The condition were not the best but he never looked that comfortable in posession in comparison to others in our side and Liverpool.
Might just have been a one off but he looked along way off a first team shout to me.
Kelleher CB Wardrop RB and Breslin DM all had decent games though I thought.

8 years ago

🙂 🙁

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

😉

8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie don’t know how to do that smiley. 🙂

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

Do this.. ; then – then ) 😉

8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

😉

Big Shuggy
8 years ago

Us Icelandic people are an easy going lot so it’s good to see we are trying to stop the aggro. i agree with what Monti says a lot of the time i just don’t like the impersonation of a cyber neds devil dug locked on to someones gonads that he does,it comes across as agressive.lol
some times it comes across that way in print and is out of character of the person responding. So Monti is actually lying on his couch smoking a doobie relaxed and his devil dug licking his hawmaws.Nice one Monti

After each game i want Ronny out as i have had enough,then i give it a couple of days and i think like charlie saiz.it’s a conundrum alright. maybe iv’e been smoking to much of montis doobie. hail hail to all

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Big Shuggy

Shuggie,
Never touched the stuff mate and never will.

Big Shuggy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti. was only kiddin mate just having a wee bit of fun.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Big Shuggy

Shaggy,
I know mate, cool!

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti, my season ticket was for the front stand, right at the apex of the tunnel on the centre line and on the day Judas made his first appearance for the club who no longer exist, I’d had a spliff before entering. I kid you not, as that little piece of filth came out for the warm up, I was in awe of the noise, it seemed to be a million times louder than anything I’ve ever experienced before and since and the general mental goings on as all hell broke loose and I just stood there in wonderment, pishing myself.
I believed that they should be standard issue as you pass through the turnstile at a game versus them and would probably have halfed the amount of arrests. Certainly the pie stalls would have done a roaring trade and most of the arrests would have involved fighting over the last pie or Mars bar at the kiosks.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

I can’t put into print what I think of that little turncoat bastard…..I’d get arrested.

I still hate him for what he did!

charlie
8 years ago

see if sevco paid big mick his 5 mill back and got the assets back why are they asking the zombies to lend them 500 grand unsecured why not secure the loan with the aqssets they got back aff big mick somebody is kiddin somebody here ha ha

mike
8 years ago

Charlie,

My take on the payback to big mick is that he wouldnt accept it due to the conditions atatched to it, so they are still desperate for the money to tide them over the coming months.
Therefore they have nothing to offer any potential lenders as security and will have to continue if they can with soft loans.
Watch this space, its going to get very interesting.

andybhoy
8 years ago

Seems that the shit is hitting the fan down poundland and they have been served with an Arrestment order, possibly HMRC or the WiFi company.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy you just made me smile..things must be improving right enough 😉

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

D:

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Well, that didn’t work, I’ll try this

😀 😀 😀

8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy, how do you do that smiley?

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

: D but no space.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Donny…..

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Trolling again.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Have you seen the film ‘ The big Lebowski ‘?
If so you would understand that I’m just fooling around.

Just my humour I suppose….

Delbhoy
8 years ago

Charlie I could say the same for Johanson lol

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