This was among the replies to Friday’s diary. I’ve emailed the address it was sent from, but it doesn’t exist. Perhaps, in case of further abuse it was deleted.
Which is fair enough.
I’m going to let you make your own minds up on what appears to be Lord Livingstone’s own words on the recent events, up to and including the AGM.
I hope you don’t mind me posting this. As the person about whom a number of abusive comments were made, I thought you may be interested in a couple of the racist ones so you can perhaps see why the Chairman was upset about them.
“Michael Higgins: Get this Ashkenazi cunt out of OUR club and take that other fake jew prick Biton with him. This is typical of their sort, infiltrating and destroying every country and establisment from within”
or
someone under the name Ross Grant saying “He’s a Jew what do you expect”
many others were simply abusive. Not I assume anything to do with my religion rather because I had a different political view. Actually I wasn’t in agreement with the nature of the tax credit cuts but believed that this motion was not something the unelected House of Lords should do, so voted against it. No doubt some will disagree but you might consider the nature of expressing your view and whether abuse is also in line with your view of Celtic’s ethos.
I have always believed Celtic fans are the best in the world and a few racist postings of social media will not change that as I know the overwhelming majority of fans whichever party they vote for would condemn them equally.
At Etims we believe he is entitled to the right of reply.
And fair play to him for doing just that
Yep he’s got the right to reply and the following is not because he is a Jew!! Your political views go against what our club stands for and was created for. We where created to feed starving Irish immigrants in the east end of Glasgow who did not have any welfare to help them live. Regardless of what you believe is constitutionally correct you voted to cut benefits to the poor. People who are already below the bread line and you voted to take MORE money from there bank and food from there table thus going against everything this club was created for and SHOULD believe in. Your an hypocrite. You must do the honourable thing a walk from this club. What exactly do you bring to the table? On your way out the door you can grab your pal bankers jakcket too.
Am crap at maths, but weren’t there close to 10,000 signatures on the petition calling for Livingston to step down?? What % of abusive emails did he receive?????
Would like to know stats on that one however am sure MSM will be dragging our supporters through the mud, as the board sits aloft & pristine.
Talk about giving the MSM a rod to hit us with. Bankiers rant IMO was a massive own goal, these guys are ‘captains of industry’ but cam acsoss as bullies( no coincidence there eh )
Now, that’s ma rant for the day.
Bgbhoy thats what i call a right to reply , fantastically put mate, agree with every word, people with this view should not be on the board of celtic football club
They have took the comments of two idiotic individuals and used them to deflect from the real issues , a classic politician tactic , well played
I defended his right to vote however he wishes, in a private capacity, at the time. However the actions and behaviour of the board, and in particular Bankier, at the AGM were shocking and wholly disrespectful to the Celtic support.
This current board are self-serving, arrogant and are increasingly unbelievable to the point where I suspect them of outright lies in the press and on the Celtic website.
Great post!
I think Lord Livingstone should be applauded for having the spirit to defend himself and his position in an honest fashion.
Compare this to the histrionics of Bankier at the AGM and his subsequent perfunctory rebuttal.
You may not agree with his politics but at least Lord Livingstone has the bottle and wherewithal needed to be on the board. Bankier on the other hand comes across as a sneering elitist.
Maybe not applauded!
Politics should be left to one side. The board have a duty to manage the affairs of our club and to manage and maximise the funds to develop the playing side of the club as best they can(Legally). Therefore they require to elect the most suitable candidates possible in order to achieve that goal.
We are supposed to welcome one and all no matter what religion, creed, colour or political party they support.
Lets be united and welcome all, otherwise we are no better that you know who!!!!!!!!
I know that this will be unpopular, however, I believe that being someone of a Celtic mind brings with it tolerance of others and their points of view.
I initially posted that Mr Livingston should consider his position as his political agenda does not sit comfortably with most supporters and our ethos as supporters.
Unfortunately this issue has grown very long legs and drifted completely away from the initial issue of voting with the tax credits cut.
His explanation of why he voted makes perfect sense, it was more about constitution than the tax credit cuts. I don’t agree with it but it hardly makes it okay to condemn him for it.
As for Bankier, he could have put it a bit less aggressively but if someone was making racist or sectarian aspersions on one of my colleagues I would stick up for them as well.
I really think that we should all put this to bed, it does nothing to help the clubs image and give those in zombie land a way of deflecting what the real problems with Scottish Football are.
As a basic human being surely it is wrong to vote for mans inhumanity to fellow man. This shower need ousted quick style. My heart bleeds at times. Hh
Lord livingstone,
If you are reading this I have something to say to you….
You voted to take food out of the mouths of children, you are a disgrace!
It is however completely unacceptable for anyone who has abused you in a racist way, we are all in agreement with you on that.
You need to think hard about that, stealing food from children and the vulnerable.
There is no place at Celtic football club for the likes of you!
Resign today!
If he doesn’t believe in the House of Lords, why doesn’t he relinquish his title?
Why has no one from the board of CFC PLC EVER came out and condemned the racist and sectarian behavior from a particular sect in Scottish society that is aimed directly at followers of the club?
Did any directors of Celtic PLC contribute out of their own pocket anything to the GB food-bank collection?
The two ‘numpties’ above should have been called-out dealt with personally. But, I don’t see how MR Bankier could insinuate that it was a “campaign” that was “criminally racist” and directed at him.
I can see nothing good coming out of this, so thanks Mr Bankier for giving our enemies more rocks to bash us with. HH
Michael Higgins and Ross grant if true you’re words may just have driven a few more fans away from the club.yours are the kind of statements one would expect to see on hun sites not ours.they are demeaning and totally out of order both should apologise forthwith.HH
Not apologise , FUCK OFF TO IBROX .
” Actually I wasn’t in agreement with the nature of the tax credit cuts but believed that this motion was not something the unelected House of Lords should do, so voted against it.”
This is a very short sentence but it leaves me in doubt as to what he is saying. Is he actually saying he voted against cuts in tax credits or not? Could someone help me out?
PS From my web search it appears that Lord Livingstone of Parkhead voted for the government proposals on the 1st and 3rd amendments but did not cast a vote for the 2nd. The government won the first 2 votes but lost the third.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/business-papers/lords/lords-divisions/?date=2015-Oct-26&itemId=3&session=2015-May-18
Is our very own Lord telling porkies?
Its the same defense that Mone used.
A voting convention that the members of the House of Lord’s don’t vote against financial bills as they are unelected.
Thing is though very few follow this convention and its really just a cop-out.
Spineless really both agreed with the cuts they just never took responsibility for their beliefs.
The other stuff against Livingstone and Nir Biton are crass and unacceptable.
Bankier just embarrassed himself and the club in a pathetic defense of the indefensible.
Livingstone wants to punish the poor although the club’s values are opposed to that.
The disgusting insults should have been condemned as should Livingstones voting policy, and his cowardly defense of why he chose to vote that way.
The gap is growing between us, it has become us and them. Something has to change as this is gonna fester big time
Hello Ian, if you are reading this.
I am glad you chose to speak out on this.
Can I ask you why you think the Chairman chose to expose these comments at an AGM, rather than have the individuals tracked down and punished in law.
I was unaware of these comments – most people were – they are hideously offensive and the fact you received these at all, far less in your capacity as a Celtic director I find distressing and embarrassing.
I hope the people who posted them are held to account.
The Chairman has, however, turned this from something that could have been dealt with swiftly and then made public, one was action was taken, into a complete circus.
Why do you think that is Ian? I pull welcome your view as I’m sure you will look in at some point.
Totally agree LB
Sorry for the typos:-)
Bloody iPad.
Every club claims it is inclusive and open to all, I thought Celtic went beyond that and supported the poor and oppressed as it’s founders wished. Now it seems Celtic is ‘A Club Like Every Other’.
P.S. If he didn’t consider The House of Lords an appropriate legislature to be voting on such matters he should have abstained or resigned his seat. He obviously agreed with the motion and therefore voted for it, for him to now claim otherwise is wholly disingenuous.
I had absolutely no idea he was a Jew and don’t see it as relevant at all. Couldn’t care less whether he was Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu or a bloody Martian. What I do care about is the type of person he is as he is representing our club.
To me it seems absurd that he is on our board after voting the way he did, whilst we (the support) are organising and contributing to incredible foodbank collections which are required, not wholly but certainly partly because of, the type of government cuts he voted in favour of.
Also as others have said, no excuse whatsoever for the idiots that wrote those abusive messages, they should be found and dealt with accordingly by the cops and banned from CP for life.
I wouldn’t ban them for life, I think an apology would do.
“Michael Higgins: Get this Ashkenazi c*** out of OUR club and take that other fake jew p***k Biton (sic) with him. This is typical of their sort, infiltrating and destroying every country and establisment (sic) from within”.
“Or someone under the name Ross Grant saying “He’s a Jew what do you expect”.
The first comment is easy to spot and assess. Very black and white and it belongs in a completely intolerant racist, bigoted and antisemitic society. It portrays a similar point of view to the one the Nazis held in Germany during WWII.
The second one is less obvious but still sinister. What is the commentator insinuating. It appears that he’s diminishing the guy’s credibility by bringing up a negative stereotype and reinforcing a prejudice against all Jews.
When you bump into somebody, an apology should be enough. If you lose the plot with someone and call them a prick, fair enough but this suggests something more deep rooted. A way of thinking? A way of life! An attitude! A way of thinking. €Brox!!!
Why do you think an apology is enough?
Im in total agreement with yer 2 posts Franko.
Well said sir, playing the racist, bigot shite every time their caught with their y- fronts round the ankles. Tory twats the lot of them. Hh
Shocking and disgusting abuse if these louts are Celtic supporters they should be tracked down by the Club and banned for life.
The Chairman has blackened the character of every Celtic supporter and used an official platform to do so he should resign immediately
Can’t believe some of the posts.
Maybe we should vòte Tommy Sheridan as chairman and tell all the well paid players to donate 50% of their salary to foodbanks.
whether you like it or not Celtic F.C is a business and has to be well run to afford good players so that the FANS can enjoy the football.
Any business needs extremely well qualified people to run it, and is anyone surprised at most if the top executives are Tories.
Celtic are a charitable club and has charity at its heart.
Leave politics at the door on tour way in to Parkhead there is no place for it.
The AGM was a nonsense because of this and deflected the real issue of the performance of the team.
Ronny the roar must have been delighted as he did’nt have to answer any difficult questions.
This forum should change from football to politics…..call it Epolitics and get away from any association with the club.
If the club are purely a business as you state then they should stop claiming otherwise and stop releasing statements which profess to have a “charitable ethos”
The actions of the board and individual memebers regarding the Living Wage and Tax Credits are anti-ethical to the ideal of a “charitable ethos”.
I actually agree with your statement that the club is simply a business but if this is the case then those who run said business need to stop acting in a counter-productive manner. Simply put they are frequently hypocritical and condescending to the support.
like ralph says gie the man his due for coming on the blog he is a tim same as us but the guys who sent them tweets need a swift boot in the chuckies
Lol,
I think Livingstone could do with a volley as well…
bring on the ajax
Charlie,
I wouldn’t be too confident mate, I fear a Mowbray moment coming soon.
It appeared in saturdays replies not friday. Not like me to lose a day over the weekend
bragging eh my fuck ive lost a month before ha ha
I accept that Lord Livingstone deserves some respect for making his statement but I still find his position totally at odds with the ethos and mindset of our club. The fact that I like most of us condemn any anti-semetic abuse out of hand doesn’t mean I am about to backtrack on my position that he has to go and Mr Bankier is welcome to go with him for dragging the image of the club down in a heavy handed ill thought out reply to a few ridiculous and reprehensible individuals.
so there is a written constitution for the commons and lords now? His belief that an unwritten constitution is more important than real people is pure mince. We know it and Lord dastardly knows it. The people this tax credit cut affects are the people who support this club. If we choose to put ‘business acumen’ and overpaid football players above our mothers, brothers children and friends then we are just a football team like any other. It’s either/or I’m afraid. We can’t profess a Celtic family and support Lords of the realm at the same time.
Garry,
Good post.
Frankly can’t be arced with any of this now. Just going enjoy the football win or lose and leave all the pseudo macie
Is that not a swear word Dan? Tut tut
Livingstone supported Tory Government proposals that would have stripped £1400 pa from some of the lowest incomes in this country. He can dress it up all he likes (and he is strangely suggesting and hinting in his statement he never supported them!!!) but he should resign immediately for not upholding the values that our club was formed for.
I would suggest that Livingstone should stand for those values more robustly because of his position at the club and Bankier should follow him out the door too for his insane attack on our fans.
So they’ve managed to scrounge a couple of quotes from a couple of idiots…well played.
Ha HaHa ,had to check the spelling before posting then posted anyway. …… Machiavellian Celtic Fans to fight it out amongst yourselves . As I have said before sack the Board Sack the manager Sack the players who gives a toss any more .There are people posting nonsense on various sites and in the end The SMSM will make mincemeat of them all. (Lamb mince that is ) and it will all end in tears and guess who will come out smelling of Roses ? Yip Sevco . Anyway I am off no more contributions from Dan The Man
I fear you may well be right Dan.
HH
Think you’ve nailed it Dan.
I disagree totally Dan 🙂
That is a real pity!
whose thiis machawhitever ye cellim guy
apart fae that i concur
This guy as usual has it spot on regarding all this Bankier/Livingston nonsense.
I suggest you all read this then perhaps you will see Bankiers statement was not out of order:
http://tirnaog09.blogspot.co.uk/
Who could possibly deny that statements from social media such as the following are anything other than morally repugnant and against everything Celtic stands for…
‘’Get this Ashkenazi cunt out of OUR club and take that other fake Jew prick Biton with him. This is typical of their sort, infiltrating and destroying every country and establisment from within”’
‘We need to rid our club of this Zionist cancer immediately. The thought of a dirty Zionist fucker being in charge of our club is very alarming.”
Fair play to him for for putting his point across but I don’t see how it changes anything. The two comments sent to him are disgusting and probably criminal. It’s disappointing that two Celtic fans are coming out with this garbage, espeicially as thats similar to sort of thing many Celtic fans are subjected to. If only the club would say something when 25000 zombies come out with this racist and sectarian nonesense.
A few fans have said that we should leave it alone because its politics but I have to disagree. If politics don’t matter then would those fans be happy with devisive figures like Robinson, Netanyahu or Blair to be directing the club? Politics determines whether we’ll be arrested for supporting our team, whether a foreign player is granted a work permit, etc. While all political opinions are welcome at Celtic, or should be, I believe Lord Livingston’s case is different as we are dealing with a political action rather here, rather than just opinion. These cuts will hugely reduce the amount of money that fans have to spend on tickets and/or merchandise and I just can’t see how lower attendances and less sales can be conducive to his job on the board.
I said at the time that board members who supported him in public would lose popularity and risk their positions and its come to pass with Bankier jumping in with both feet. An abstention could have avoided all this.
How many people posting are entirely clear on the role of the House of Lords. Many of the comments seem to suggest that Mr Livingston is somehow at fault for creating these policy changes (he’s not, that would be Cameron and Osborne driving it), or at fault for not arguing against them (again, he’s not, that would be our democratically elected MPs in the House of Commons). As far as i gather, the house of lords is an old boys club whose role is largely to check that everything is legal before it is rolled out. To my understanding, as disgusting as it may be to take money from the poor it is not illegal and therfore the role of the House of Lords was minimal. Anger at this issue should be directed at our MPs, who we elected to fight our corner, not an unelected guy whose job is to double check government policy.
How many people posting are entirely clear on the role of the House of Lords.
Well you for one are not for one.
Many of the comments seem to suggest that Mr Livingston is somehow at fault for creating these policy changes (he’s not, that would be Cameron and Osborne driving it), or at fault for not arguing against them (again, he’s not, that would be our democratically elected MPs in the House of Commons).
In policy law making yes, it is the elected chamber.
In vetting and completing policy no that would be both chambers.
The reason the policy failed was the upper chamber voting against it (no help from our cowardly Lord).
It is now in the process of being redrafted or possibly put back till the next election.
As far as i gather, the house of lords is an old boys club whose role is largely to check that everything is legal before it is rolled out. To my understanding, as disgusting as it may be to take money from the poor it is not illegal and therefore the role of the House of Lords was minimal.
Well you would again be wrong in thinking that.
Synopsis from Parliament UK
First reading: Bill arrives.
Second reading: Main debate on purpose and key areas of the bill.
Committee stage: Detailed line by line scrutiny of the text with amendments (proposed changes). Votes may take place to decide whether to make the changes.
Report stage: Further examination of the text. More amendments are debated and further votes take place to decide whether to make the changes.
Third reading: A ‘tidying up’ stage. Final chance for amendments and votes.
Each House considers the other’s amendments.
Royal Assent: When both Houses agree the final content, a bill is approved by the Queen and becomes a law or ‘Act of Parliament’.
Your understanding then is the same as those you accuse of not knowing the contribution of both houses limited
Anger at this issue should be directed at our MPs, who we elected to fight our corner, not an unelected guy whose job is to double check government policy.
That of course is not what the Lords is there for both houses have the ability to throw out the policy.
Very few occasions allow for laws to be wholly considered in the lower house. Therefor anger is justified and should be expressed. Unless people agree with taking money from the poorer of our society especially those in work who are being penalized for having lower pay that our honorable Lord.
Im so sick of this shit. My god where is the love?
For you Papp…….
https://youtu.be/WpYeekQkAdc
With Love
HH
on the terraces pap.
Language, you will offend Dan.
god bless celtic