Celtic Diary Monday November 23: For All Our Problems…

Celtic kept an admirable clean sheet against Kilmarnock, visibly improving on the 2-2 draw earlier in the season…

Oh stop it, it’s not working.

 

0-0.

I didn’t travel to the game, as I had a load of ironing to do, and Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles was on one of the movie channels, so although I watched the first half, it was down to cheeky aussie alpha male Paul Hogan to put a smile back on my face.

That didn’t work, but fortunately Casualty was on later, and although it’s not as funny as it used to be, it did the trick.

 

You see, there’s an unshakable feeling that celtic isn’t Celtic anymore. Over the last few weeks we’ve watched a team slowly dying on the park, and it appears that the malaise has affected the boardroom, with Iain Bankier apparently determined to go down in flames and Peter Lawwell seemingly letting him.

Then there was the video of the players ignoring a wee boy who was waving to them as they got off the bus prior to Saturday’s game…

right rev ron on Twitter_ _How can you not even aknowledge your next generation of fans- big jock turning in his grave. https___t.co_ZFIAvnGDl7_

 

There’s no excuse for that.

For the players to ignore a wee fellow who has stood in the cold waiting for a glimpse of his heroes is unacceptable.

And I’m sick of using that word just lately where Celtic are concerned.

But I was heartened over the weekend.

I remembered, by proxy, I guess, why i’m still a supporter, and why I probably will go back to the game sooner rather than later.

And , by the way, if i don’t get any Celtic merchandise for christmas no-one will have a clue what to buy me, and I’ve got enough socks and jumpers.

So, do we just sit and moan and give up ?

No, i don’t think i could handle another piss poor movie on a Saturday.

And I was quite heartened by some fellow Celtic fans.

First of all, our intrepid travellers from Stoke, who decided to try one or two different hostelries prior to the game.

Now , i’m fully aware of the time and effort it takes for us to get there, but it’s worth remembering that others make long journeys as well, and the lads tell me they bumped into some fans from Forfar and Stonehaven, neither of which are exactly in the Glasgow postcode area.

The conversation largely centred around how lethargic the team is, but also on the travelling the three sets of lads do.

And it’s put me in mind of the early nineties, when no matter how bad things got, on and off the pitch, there are still thousands of us out there who will still support the team.

Thousands of people who will, as one, decide when enough is enough.

But they will also try to avoid that situation, and thats what we must push for first of all.

On another page on this site is a reply we received from Lord Livingstone.

If what is in that reply is correct, then first of all he has showed a little bit of the rebel in him by having the balls to stand up for himself, and i guess, what he believes in.

Whether or not you agree with him, fair play to him for coming out with it.

Perhaps if he had Β made that statement at the AGM we could have avoided the shitstorm that followed.

But, as they say, better late than never.

I’m still uncomfortable that he didn’t use his position in the Lords to at least make a point about policy changes, but thats his business, however, as a board member at Celtic, who has now publicly said he didn’t support the policy, he should have, as anyone in a position of conflicting interests should, have either abstained or voted with his conscience.

But, thats down to him.

Bankier himself faces calls for his resignation after he made his statement, and then refused to back it up. A later statement sounded pretty much like one of those Cameron moments where he speaks to a camera and then runs off before anyone can question him.

The Celtic Trust have issued their statement, and again this simply shows that the issue is not going to go away.

So, if we are all genuinely pulling in the same direction to achieve the same ends, then the Chairman must apologise for the way in which he spoke, because even if he didn’t mean to tar us all with the same brush-hang on, is that racist ?-he did, and sometimes how a speech is likely to be interpreted is equally as important as what words are in it.

So, in a spirit of seasonal amiability, maybe we should all accept that mistakes were made, make suitable apologies, and then move on.

There’s a club to run, and a team to support.

And right now, that team does need a little support.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tobefair
5 years ago

When I tried to reply to a article on Winston Churchill in the Scotsman. Can anyone tell me what I said is wrong ?

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If you look back at UK politics at that time, it does make sence unless he
was taking money for one thing and doing the other, and we all know this
ardent capitalist would never do that lol
After the UK government promising home rule for Ireland before WW1.
When it came to fulfilling this promise, Churchill reneged on the promise
as they needed the conservative MP’s vote from the north of Ireland to stay
in power.
Sorry to break this like this Bears but it was nothing to do with
preserving your anti catholic mentality

Paul1888
5 years ago

Glad to see you have calmed down since the AGM Ralph.

Was shitting myself there would be no more diary!!

Hail Hail Bhoys and Ghirls

John. Mccloy in tasmania
5 years ago

Tobefair I think you’re trespassing.ralph humble pie doesn’t taste that bad does it..let’s all knuckle down and get behind the team(a bit difficult for me but if I shout loud enough at the telly).HH

Daviebhoy
5 years ago

Welcome back Ralph, I was also shitting myself at the thought of no Diary. Keep up the good work and please never leave us. HH

BroxburnBhoy
5 years ago

Ralph good diary. That’s right pulling in the same direction is a wonderful thing. I agree about the players responsibility to interact with supporters who wait to see and support them. Wee boys left hanging is the worst. As the dust settles from the AGM it gives us a chance to recalibrate. Explanations are being made, there may even be apologies and players can be made to understand their obligations. Onward !!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BroxburnBhoy

The players ignored the wee man because they don’t give a fuck about him or any of us, some of their performances this season would confirm that.
As long as the wages are paid in, job done.
We need 11 Kieran Tierney’s, see how much graft he put in against Molde at Parkhead?
Bust his gut for us that night, that is what ALL the players should be doing but they don’t, they don’t care enough.
How many times over the last two seasons have we heard ” we just didn’t turn up tonight “?
Well why did you not turn up?
Maybe it’s because you as team captain are lying half pished on an Edinburgh Street eating a take away, days before a cup final?

The captain of the team lying pished in the street, is that good enough for Celtic?
Is it fuck.
I have berated Deila for long enough because I genuinely believe he is shite, but some of these players are at it, they are Charlatans!

Still if we all go to every game and sing faithful through and through, all will be well? Pish!

” print your tickets at home, avoid the queue ” lol.
” 50% off at the Celtic superstore, get there early and buy all the out of date tops ”

Directors calling us racists, directors stealing food from the poor, a missing majority shareholder who would rather play golf than turn up to his AGM, directors who conspire with Police Scotland to intimidate our support, directors who won’t fight cheating clubs and demand OUR money back.

You see, it doesn’t matter how loud I sign walk on….We are still being laughed at! HH

tom o'neill
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

The truth is given the enormous wages they no earn, there is absolutely no way that the players can equate to the ordinary punter.

Sad though it is, never again will we have scenario where a Celtic player, having just won a European Cup medal, look out the team bus and say’ that guy out there lives in our street’.

Monti
5 years ago

Has Ralph ever hinted there would be no Diary?

Maybe when some folk have stopped ” shiting themselves ” we can crack on ( pun not intended, but now I see it I’ll leave it in) with the real issues in and around OUR club?
There is clearly an attitude problem in the boardroom towards our supporters, Bankier and Livingstone can back track all they like, I can see through it.
If Bankier has evidence of racist/sectarian comments aimed at himself or Livingstone, deal with it behind closed doors, contact the Police and charge those responsible.
Don’t lambast the fans with a sweeping comment at an AGM!
Enough already!

Ronny Deila?
Massive mistake in appointing this fella, he can’t lift this team, he has no clue I’m afraid.
In two attempts this season we haven’t beaten Kilmarnock, I don’t know what Deila is doing with these players but Stuart Armstrong and GMS were two of the brightest, creative players in Scotland when they were at Utd, but Deila has these guys played out of position and they are less effective now.

Lawwell has laid his cards on the table by backing Deila, I think this will soon become clear that was a mistake.

I actually think I could do a better job than Deila….and I’m not fucking joking.
The sooner Deila is away from Parkhead the better.
One up front? My arse!

bogbhoy
5 years ago

You’re an arsehole ralph, you’ve labelled fans in exactly the same way as bankier has before so no surprises you’re making excuses for him and no surprises you didn’t watch the game again. This site really has gone to shit.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  bogbhoy

Bogbhoy,
I have supported you in the past, but come on mate, that’s not fair!
If you don’t like the diary then don’t come on.
If you are a Tim, then fucking act like one!

5 years ago
Reply to  bogbhoy

That is out of order.

pensionerbhoy
5 years ago
Reply to  bogbhoy

bogbhoy

I have refrained from commenting of late on the overflow of pish gushing from comments over recent months but I will not be silent about your remarks about Ralph and this site. It could once be called “show-piece” and if it is not now, it is because of inane comments like yours. Such thinking and the way it is expressed is typical of how many on this site are dragging it dangerously close to the gutter which was once the reserve of those whom we believed knew no better. I believe “Celtic, open to all” by its very nature implies respect for others and one another. Well that ethos has been well and truly flushed down the toilet on here on many, many occasions recently. I used to love putting my twopence worth in on this site and in the main tried to do it forcefully but with consideration for the feelings of others and with a bit of humour no matter how awful. Now I am simply disgusted and, to be truthful, absolutely ashamed of some of what is said on here. Celtic supporters??? – not like I remember them. They ranted like the rest but never lowered themselves to the level of mouthy weans.

It takes a man to apologise and over the years, Ralph has shown himself to be such a man and this site to admit getting it wrong many, many times. It will take more than insults to shut down the Diary or shut up other worthwhile contributors.

H H

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Pensionerbhoy,
Great post! πŸ™‚

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  bogbhoy

that’s right oot of order, Bog, really huv a buken word with yerself. If yi don’t like the site then fair enough apparently there’s other things you can look at on the www.

bgbhoy
5 years ago

monti… imagine you are desmond right now… who do you fire… ronny or ‘lord parkhead’

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Bgbhoy,
If I was DD right now, I’d be actually in my office at Celtic park talking to stadium engineers about plans for raising the capacity to 80,000, puting plans in place to build a new main stand.
I would sack all tories on the board, Deila and John Collins would be waiting outside the main doors waiting on their taxi out of here.
I would sack the PR team.
Half of the playing squad placed immediately on the transfer list, I would sack Efe with immediate effect.
I would invite the Green Brigade, to a man,to come into CP and have lunch and a discussion about what they want from me.
I would call a press conference with SSN, all msm ‘ Journalists’ would be informed they will be indefinitely banned from Celtic park.
I would publicly call for Sevco to be thrown out the Scottish game.
I would then make available the Celtic managers position available to only the best managers out there, I would offer him Β£150m transfer budget to put this great club where it belongs up amongst the Barcelona and Real Madrid’s.
I would put Craig Whyte in temporary charge of team affairs and Ice cream and Jelly duties.
Martin Mcguinness as sportin director, Gerry Adams as kit man and Gerry Kelly as Chairman.

When all that was done….I’d feel like we were doing our job.

Tal.

5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Well that’s telling them Monti ! πŸ™‚

mike
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti, agree with a lot of what you posted,but where are we going to get the Β£150mil.are you Monti Murray? or perhaps Gerry and Martin could rob a few banks,Funky was right you need to put the straightjacket back on and have a few beers .

Charlie Saiz
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

You would appear to be on Glue Monti.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I am but having a laugh Charlie Saiz!!

tom o'neill
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Problem is that DD appears to want to do or say nothing.

JIMBO
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Now thats a plan … do you have that in project πŸ™‚

Andy
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

John Collins

elcormaco
5 years ago

I can feel a drifting away from the club, but its more to do with performances and results on the pitch, I climbed off the Ronnie bus some time ago and am yet to be persuaded to jump back on.

You have to wonder how some people climb so high in business when they make such crass, inapporpriate comments as some of our board have recently.

We are “a club like no other” in terms of the efforts and scoial conscience of fans, but a club just like any other when it comes to the politics of the boardroom. How important this disconnect is to you is a persoanl matter I suppose.

One fairly simple way of closng the distance between club and its supporters would be to re-instate players attending supporter’s club events.

I listen to quite a few podcasts about Celtic and so many former playes tell anecdotes about things that happened at these events (usually when too much drink was involved) but so often they make comments about how they realised how massive the club was then or what it means to people.

Football has changed for sure, but these guys get well paid, if each player has to give up two or three evenings a year to attend an event, tough. Have the crack, listen to the stories, connect with the people who pay your wages, and you might start to see some of the passion on the pitch that we believe has been missing. Could we get possibly an ex player, like a Tom Boyd, to liaise betweent he first team management and the supporters clubs to try and get some player committment to coming and spending time with the fans. And ban headphones getting ogff the bus. God, Im getting old!!

deadhead67
5 years ago

The idea that our daft signings from DUNDEE UTD, were brilliant players tearing apart defences the length of scotland is crap,anyone here ever go to a Celtic utd game thinking,hell im shit scared today,hope we can cope with Armstrong Mackay stevens,and that big thug up front,we are now buying SPL garbage,and it,s showing big time,not just in Europe but at Celtic park,all teamshave to do is stick 9 men behind the ball and were buggered,Felt sorry for most talented player young Forrest on saturday was ripping the kilmarnock back apart only to look up and see at best 2 celtic players in the box,then to accomodate the circus act that is mackay stevens he had to swap wings,and even then gary boy never got [ast a defender once,a total clear out needed and we can start with most of Deila,s signings,and the daft Nprweigian as well

Gerry
5 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Have to agree with most of what you say (I’m afraid). Forrest looked like the only interested player on Saturday and through whom any chance of a goal was most likely. To take our most effective players and shift him in order to coax a performance out of GMS was baffling. That said James’ final ball was inconsistent so perhaps he thought taking his man on he could get away a shot or two, but he disappeared after moving to the left.
BTW how about Simunovic saving us from a defeat, what a saving tackle!! It was the other end from me and haven’t seen it on TV but it looked like a phenomenal recovery to me.
Hopefully we get the defence and forwards playing at the same time in the near future.

corktim
5 years ago

Job too big for Delia,he has lost the players, two nil all draws at parkhead,one up front piss again that’s why we cant score goals everyone morning i wake up hoping its a nightmare and it fucking is not,I am incensed what is going on off the park and have been for awhile,but the most important thing is the team is dieing on the field and the only solution is a change in management before it is too late if we are beaten by ajax on thurs night he has to go,I agree with monti ,I could better than this manager,as In have said before on this site,he was originally supposed to be a number 2,and results prove that is the level he is at.

charlie
5 years ago

Ralph i thought you were fucking off ha ha sorry canny dae the smiley thing COYBIG

5 years ago
Reply to  charlie

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Spectrum is Green
5 years ago

Ralph,

God luv you, it didn’t take long for you to get you back onside, did it?

Your post the other day was spot on. So why the big change of heart?

Saturday’s performance and result should have reinforced your position re: the ongoing malaise of the club\the team and the shower of gobshites we have running the whole show.

I often wonder whether todays support could rise up against the club like the ‘Celt’s for change’ back in the early 1990’s. Alas, that rebel spirit doesn’t seem to burn so bright these days. That’s a pity, because we really need some of that again.

Another thing about the aftermath of the AGM that I find quite telling is that our majority shareholder hasn’t offered any opinion. Funny that, isn’t it? Earlier in the week he found time between golf swings to offer Ladbrokes shareholders the benefit of his wisdom regarding a possible merger with Corals. Oh, he was very engaged with this prospect because it affected his 2% holding. But he wasn’t moved to comment on his Chairman besmirching the entire ‘customer’ base of his Celtic FC business and the potential harm that’d do to the share value of this particular holding.

And as far as Deila is concerned, he’s spent all his goodwill now. We’ve seen enough. He’s not the messiah, just a messer. Ajax will drive the final nail into his coffin this week. If he has any sense, he’ll have already instructed his agent to contact the Norwegian FA about the vacant managers job they’ve got.

Monti
5 years ago

SoG,
Spot on comrade!

Charlie Saiz
5 years ago

No need for the Support to rise again bud all we need do is get organised and raise the Capital to buy them all out.
No need for threats,walkouts or rebel rousing outside grounds.
Calmly set up a page invite all to chip in Β£20.
Job done.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

” Haggle “? πŸ™‚

bgbhoy
5 years ago

haha monti!!!!!!

morto
5 years ago

Ralph, there are some good films on Sky at the moment….. oh….right…. I’ll get my coat.

Monti
5 years ago

Is saying ” He is a Jew ” actually a racist comment?
Is it not merely pointing out that he is a Jew?

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah. πŸ™‚

Said in a Monty Python jocular way…..

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I only said Jehovah….:)

5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

It’s actually Yahwey, Yahwey, Yahweh Monti. Jehovah is a mistranslation.

Happy to help! πŸ™‚

5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

oops! spelling mistakes abound. Yahweh. πŸ™‚

5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

(that’s another year in Purgatory for me!)

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

“I have a gweat fwend in wome you know, you know what he’s called?” πŸ™‚

5 years ago

general feeling of malaise surrounding the club at the moment,emanating from the boardroom AND the coaching staff and working it’s way through to the support.IF any current players happen to be reading this,then have a look at the 1985 and 1988 cup finals to realise what playing for (and supporting)the hoops is all about.hh

Damian Smyth
5 years ago

Another AGM missed by Celtic fans . Bankier& Lawwell must be laughing the whole way to the bank and back . Cursory glances here & other blogs & forums show constant moaning and complaining about team performance, manager & board . Surely Bankier Lawwell and Board in general must have expected a hell of a rough ride about the massive decline many fans see in first team performance .
Instead the fans moaned about a Tory Lord on the board of the club that welcomes all and about not paying the Living wage.
Neither Livingstone nor non paying living wage affects our progress in Europe , Many supporters think that the stingy board doesn’t supply enough enough money to bring the right player to Celtic Park .

Devoy45
5 years ago

To the anti-Ronny brigade: he stays until the end of the season, whatever.
That said, something is rotten in Paradise. A team like Kilmarnock should not come to our home ground and get away with their version of ‘football.’ The refereeing was crap but reflects the old ‘no home penalties for Celtic.’If you bhoys want to get your rocks off after Ajax on Thursday I’d understand that.Plus all the board stuff has left me scunnered. I try not to live in the past although I am an old man. But the future is not look that great either. If Killie can draw us 0-0 at home then anybody in this League can and will take points from us. How can we get so much possession, so many corners and shots on goal but NOT SCORE!!!??? I have no ideas, no great predictions, no nothing. Deid done. Predictions for Thursday night. Naw. Where’s my meds? By the way, Deadhead 67 is right: Forrest is the only player we have who can produce goals. I now believe wee James should shoot wherever he can, whenever he can.
Maybe Deila’s peg is shoogly but we’ll know more after this season. I say he gets one more shot at the CL provided we win at least a Double this year. Improvement. I’m no so sure now.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Why keep Deila until the end of the season then?

Spectrum is Green
5 years ago

They could also check out the support at the 1989 and 1995 finals too while they’re at.

Or better still, find that clip of TB saying ‘they’re here, they’re always here!’

Alas, there’s a huge difference in the attitude of the players now compared to back then. Back then we had players who CARED about the team and the support. Some of them were even supporters!

andybhoy
5 years ago

I think the move to the ivory tower at Lennoxtown was an immediate disconnect from the players and the fans.

Cliftbhoy
5 years ago

You’ve no idea how depressed I was before the game on Saturday just after reading the Diary. People who take the time to do these extra things for the support and the club don’t often lose faith and I’m glad you got it back.
Keep up the good work, oh, and the rest of you please learn to forgive, others don’t always say it right no matter how lofty their status.
By the way I was happy enough with the result on Saturday when I found out that no one caught up.

5 years ago
Reply to  Cliftbhoy

Totally agree.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Cliftbhoy

Cliftbhoy,
You were happy enough with the result on Saturday?

Really?

Bgbhoy
5 years ago

Again i don’t won’t to be confused with our friend BOGBHOY. Different names

bgbhoy
5 years ago

devoy, i fear 2 drubbings in these european games and playing to crowds of 20k in the new year

at that point the board will act

maryhillbhoy
5 years ago

Monti are you fucking kidding? Why is there any need to point out Livingstone is a Jew it doesn’t make his decision any more or less acceptable and opens up a whole new can of worms. Clearly you have the intelligence to read the inference and implication so stop acting the tit would you!!!!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

I only said Jehovah πŸ™‚

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

Maryhillbhoy,
Can you not tell I’m fucking about?
Or are you biggus dickus?

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

Bit concerned with the lack of condemning the comments that Livingston has flagged up .
Kind of a feeling of ” ah well we’ve all had our say , let’s move on”.
As I posted before , I still believe Bankier made an arse of it re- time and place , but the remarks posted about him AND one of the players , need to be loudly condemned . If you don’t condemn , then aren’t you passively condoning?
People are entitled to their opinion , and mine is that the kind of mindset that thinks along the lines of those comments , belongs at another club .
We talk of “all inclusive ” – ” club open to all ” but there’s saying it – and then there’s being it .
Someone disagrees with me and says ” you’re talking shite mate” – fair enough !
Someone disagrees with me and says ” you’re talking shite mate , you fucking fenian taige papist” , different story.

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  jpm 88

The fact that many on this site will have , themselves ,been subjected to comments like those in my last line (above) at some point , should make us all the more angry at the comments of those 2 nonentities , named and shamed by Livingston.
Haven’t we all complained at times of “this bigoted little country “- “Scotland’s shame”.To not then ,be angered and embarrassed by those nonentities comments whilst they masquerade as Celtic people , is surely a hypocrisy.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

” Monti, are you fucking kidding “?

GIVE THE MAN A PRIZE!!!

YES YES YES!

funkyy
5 years ago

Monti, you’re out of order. You made the comment about Livingstone’s religion, then you try a wee sleekit get out “I only mentioned he was a jew” and “can you not tell I’m fucking about?”.
Just can it Monti…this is a Celtic site, not the BNP.
Also it has been reported that a few scumbags HAVE INDEED MADE bigoted/racist comments about him and Nir Biton….which the press are just absolutely loving and milking for all it’s worth. A man’s religion has nothing to do with the quality of the man.
I was just as angry and disappointed as anybody that he didn’t vote against the Tax Credit cuts but I didn’t feel the need to insult his religion or his race. Those who do so are just low-life nazis.
There has been too much divisive politics being posted in the Diary by members and it’s getting to the stage that the pleasure of coming here is being diminished. If I want to read about political history I can find it in a dusty old book and if I want to read a never-ending dirge of attacks on our manager and team I can go to Rangers Media…..(Monti). HH

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  funkyy

Fuck off!
Look at the context of everything I have posted today, nothing in there to offend anyone, unless of course you are looking for Monti to offend you!

Don’t put my name beside any BNP scum either, I look forward to your apology!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Blessed are the cheesemakers πŸ™‚

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  funkyy

Funkyy, You quoted me as saying ” I only mentioned he was a Jew “?

In what post did I say that?

If you mean my post where I said ” I only said Jehovah ”

Have you seen the Monty Python classic, ‘ the life of Brian ‘?

You may not even know it Funkyy, but you are wrong and you are due me an apology.

You have got it wrong big nose πŸ™‚

bgbhoy
5 years ago

funkyy regardess of what your saying about monti (which is bollocks) you ‘dont want to ready attacks on the manager???? ok then, so weve just to put up with this garbage then have we? and were not allowed to voice our opinions? this is not a nazi state is it? freedom of speech mean anything? how about you keep up to date with all things cetic on the website and subscribe to the view!? that way everything will be grand nothing to see here!!! its the club that has caused all this carry on in the first place!!! they are ripping the soul out of the place!!!!

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Yes , but it’s not the Clubs fault that those comments WERE made.

Not unless you take the view that ” they or he brought it upon themselves/himself “.
After all , isn’t that what THEY all said about Lennon?

Spectrum is Green
5 years ago
Reply to  jpm 88

Jpm88,

Ever heard of ’cause and effect’?

jpm 88
5 years ago

So you do think he brought it upon himself .
I personally don’t believe there’s any CAUSE that would EFFECT lets say , someone calling a Tim a fucking fenian taige papist.
Nor do I believe did Livingston AND Bitton deserve ,or cause , the resultant sectarian/racist abuse .

Monti
5 years ago

Just looking through my posts again ( to see what the waiting to be offended) are well, erm offended at, I can’t see anything there at all that could be deemed offensive!

If someone would like to point it out I will explain my post to them.
As I say, my posts were all in good humour, how that can be twisted is beyond me.

Monti
5 years ago

Back to being DD again…I like this game πŸ™‚

If I was Dermot, 4 or 5 years ago I would have signed Steven Ireland and I would have given him the number 32 shirt.

Marketing Genius!

Hope that isn’t too offensive funkyy….

bgbhoy
5 years ago

jp 2 fans comments dont merit labelling the fans racist…. if these comments even existed in the first place??? its not a problem with the celtic support so why call it out at the agm!!! the comments are a disgrace everyone is agreed but id like to see proof as well… the clubhave caused this problem by the chairmans comments.. end of

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

bgbhoy,
I think I posted earlier condemning racist comments towards Livingstone.

Funkyy must have missed that one πŸ™‚

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Agreed re – 2 fans NOT Celtic support plus bad handling by Bankier .
That’s why the real fans have to be seen to condemn those 2 ; firstly , on moral grounds – but also on Celtic Supporters PR grounds .
We’ve got to be aware of what we’re dealing with re- SMSM.

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  jpm 88

And yes ,apparently they do exist , Livingston has named them
see CQN for details.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  jpm 88

jpm,
If a couple of Celtic fans posted racist comments towards Livingstone then they should be punished for that, of course they should.
But it’s education that needs to be at the forefront here not banning folk for life.
Everybody deserves a second chance, may I suggest something? The two fans get in touch with the club and go up to the park and personally apologise to Livingstone…..
Who will be outside waiting on his taxi to get him to fuck away from our club.

Reasonable?

jpm 88
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti

agree on the education side and on the apology , but not Livingston departure as a condition of that apology .
2 separate subjects . No ” cause and effect” here .
Never a “cause ” for racism/sectarianism.
Have to say though , when Lennon was getting abuse I don’t recall much talk of education and apology when we discussed those offenders .( And I mean the verbal offenders ; the others I know ,were a “different kettle of fish”).
Got to be careful of double standards here I think.
Certainly , if the “face up ” and apology could , in all seriousness , be done , it could be the way to put this whole fucking thing to bed .
My opinion is ,after dealing with those offenders , Bankier still has something to answer for re- his handling of this .
On the other side , I would like to see the back of it all. Doesn’t give me a good feeling having to discuss racism/sectarianism in the same breath as Celtic .
On that point , this is the last post by me on this subject.

funkyy
5 years ago

Chao..it was nice while it lasted.
HH and COYGIG.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  funkyy

Not man enough to admit you got it wrong?

Interesting!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Still no apology….tut tut.

andybhoy
5 years ago
Reply to  funkyy

I think you mean ciao! Ah well, no more predictions that usually end up the exact opposite and put a hex on us.

bgbhoy
5 years ago

be interesting to see how many of the press pick up on palestine flags being waved at the ground… to which there can be no negative comments from the supporters who insist we are a club open to all!? we are a club open to all, of course we are.. but when someone who is on our board who votes directly against the reason out club was formed then there is bound to be uproar… this guy should not be subjected to any religous abuse but imo deserves all the abuse (non religous) he gets for voting for the cuts!!! the club will now use these racist comments to there advantage and livingstone will probably get a salary rise!!! outr clyb is dying…. i can honeslty see us playing to crowds of 20 k… i cant be bothered with them, its disgusting… they are a shambles!! but what i feel is worse than all this uproar is half of our fans accepting how bad we are re the manager, they still back him after all the poor performances… we will see come friday morning whi was right

Devoy45
5 years ago

Monti, you ask why keep Deila until the end of the season? Because we have to win the league no matter what in order to try to qualify for the CL. If Ronny wins a double or a treble, you can’t get rid of him. I like to think Celtic is still a fair-minded club and a fair-minded club wouldn’t sack a manager who had won a double or treble. I would grant that if Deila doesn’t win the league, then he should go at the end of this season. Win the league, CL qualifiers, maybe Europa League again. If he has a poor campaign (we’ll know by next Christmas) then I could see him going– fairly— next December and nobody would complain. However, ideally, Ronny will get this club going well enough to put an end to all the anti-Ronny stuff that the MSM and a lot of our forum are dishing out. I can agree with some statements everybody is making but I still see something of a vision and a plan. Ronny should get the same amount of time that Neil Lennon got. Am I pleased with 0-0 draws at home to Kilmarnock? Like feck I am.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy,
It’s just my opinion mate, Deila is making this up as he goes along.

bgbhoy
5 years ago

devoy, there is no evidence whatsover that ronny will get us to tghe ucl, none, has not learned from mistakes and no fight in displays… thursday will be interesting… we sacked lennon for not winning cups in scotland, and he was getting us to the champions league…. i would rather win the league and get to group stages over a treble for the next 10 years

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

bgbhoy,
See trying to get it through some skulls that trebles aren’t the be all and everything? Wasting your breath mate.
Some get excited about parading about Hampden with a league cup?
FFS WE NEED TO WAKE UP!
the team is shocking in Europe, we are conceding 2-3 goals every time we play a European tie.
What has Deila shown that fills us with hope and confidence? Nothing.
The most worrying aspects of our displays are the dismal defending and Sunday league passing!
If I hear Scott Brown say ” we just didn’t turn up tonight ” again I will fucking scream.
Lawwell said it was a gamble appointing Deila, well on Friday morning let’s see how the dice has rolled.

Celtic Park is no place for ” developing ” managers.
I firmly believe if I took control of the team tomorrow, I would do a better job than him.
IF you are reading this Ronny, get in touch and give me a chance.

First day at training: chips and ketchup are back on the menu lads.

Team v Ajax

Bailly

Janko
Lustig
Simunovic
Tierney

Forrest
Brown
Bitton
Armstrong

Griffiths
Commons

4-4-2

Instructions: If any Celtic player is able to walk off the park at the end, they will be fined 2 weeks wages.

Rebel tunes must be played ( loudly) in the dressing room before kick off at home games.

Rebel tunes will also be played on the team bus to and from games.

Right lads…1234….Graffiti on the wall as the sun was going down, I see Graffiti on the wall

πŸ™‚

Bgbhoy
5 years ago

Amen

Bgbhoy
5 years ago

Or am I not allowed to say that??

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Bgbhoy

Lol!

Devoy45
5 years ago

Monti and friends, my skull is thick but only to hold my big brain, which doesn’t think a Treble is the end all and be all. We can’t even get to Europe unless we win our piddling little league where at least a trophy is a trophy is a trophy. We’ve won one European trophy since 1888! Reality is, we will sometimes beat Barca, Milan and Man Utd. but we still probably won’t win anything more. Maybe if we got a fit young team to gel, to learn to pass and move, to gain confidence in our own league with some idea how to win in Europe, then maybe some of you younger guys will see what us older bhoys were around to see. I was 17 in 1967 but I don’t expect any more European trophies in my lifetime—with some patience, you might see one in yours. MON couldn’t do it, WGS and Lenny couldn’t do it, so why not take a deep breath and give Ronny a chance? Tell you what, if I’m wrong, I’ll eat humble pie til it comes out my hairy ears. If you’re wrong will you be man enough to admit it?
This Celtic team could be a bit like the one in 1964-65. Wait and see. Off for my meds and to trouser tent over a Treble! Will we win Thursday night? Don’t ask me. What we want and what we get are two different things!

pappnase
5 years ago

Still no love

andybhoy
5 years ago
Reply to  pappnase

Try ashleymadison.com.

Bgbhoy
5 years ago

Mate there’s no way your even thinking about comparing either Ronny to big jock or this team to the lions?? Ffs mate really?? Did the team in 65 not get to a cup winners cup semi final? Are you suggesting we will make it that far in Europa?? The only comparisons o these sides is they play in green and white hoops and the strip looked better back there too!! You need a lie down if you think this man wil bring us success. I don’t enjoy being this negative or arguing with fellow fans but there is no way this is going to end well. Good players have become average. Average players have become shite an then there’s big eye god love him. Change is required all over the club or they can shut the doors

Andy
5 years ago

I just get frustrated because we have no reply to 3 players closing down our lone striker and them mobbing their own box. They know we will only try 3 long shots per game. Although I was encouraged by the Martin O’Neil tactic utilized in the dying embers of the Killie game.

BondiBrian
5 years ago

tttaly off subject but ah once played Paul Hogans wife at pool in Sydney, nice woman…even when ah gubbed her.

HAIL HAIL N AW THAT !!!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Did you though?

I mean, I could come on here and say I played pool with Jack Nicholson.

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Ah most certainly did. Beach Road Hotel. 1995. Table 5. 18.45. Black cut middle bag.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

I was erm, joking….

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Ah know Monti so was I but a did play her!! I also played on a different occasion Eddy Fedder (sp?) from Pearl Jam. Beat him N aw!!It was a Bondi summers day pure boilin and he was sotatin around the pub in a full length leather trench coat. He was actuuly quite cool…if yi know what ah mean.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Chad Hogan?

DantheMan
5 years ago

Monti, I have chucked this site as of last night , I know there is a contradiction there as I am posting now but I actually read what Pensioner Bhoy said In his post and I agree totally with his comments.
The quality of the contributions is now at the base level . You Monti with your foul mouthed rants and constant disparaging about everything Celtic your attacks on fellow ETims contributors when they don’t fall in line with your views are just unacceptable. Clean up your act man . I do not know what age you are but start acting it instead of your shoe size. I hope that your kids if you have any don’t have access to your contributions on here because your expletives are unacceptable for any audience but particularly for the under 18’s. I don’t have a problem with your views ( except some comments tonight) but try and express yourself without the need for a curse in every second sentence. No need to reply in your normal way I won’t be reading this stuff any more after this . Good Luck with it!!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  DantheMan

Awwwww big bad Monti…

Dan,
Your argument would carry more weight if you were consistent in your reasons, for example, our host Ralph, he swears in his threads does he not?
Many posters on here swear but you pluck Monti, Big bad Monti.
Is it really that bad to swear, is it?

I can imagine you down the pit head and all the miners are having a Craic, swearing included and you standing there tut tut tutting away.

So come on then, are you going to ask Ralph to stop swearing?
Charlie Saiz has sworn a few times has he not, do you want me to name the names Dan?

Stop taking yourself too seriously Dan, come on noo!

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti, I agree with Dan: I’ve mentioned much the same to you quite recently.

Am no goin to give you or anyone else on here ma work history safe to say it was a typical working class manual work in one of the long gone heavy industrial trades. Swearing doesnay really bother me other than having to sift through Etims comments which can be expletive laden.

This is a public forum: post yer views, swear aw yi want, slag ronny, board, players aw yi want but I think you will find some people will simply stop logging on ti this site cos they canny be bothered wi the comments.

Am sure you love the Tic Monti. We all do on here.

HH

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

I’ve got 2 spare tickets for Kevin Bridges at the Hydro, do you and Dan want to go?
You can sit next to each other and tut tut away!

Staedler and Waldorf!

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Sure thanks, need to be an early night though cos am working in the morning, and yi know how long the buses can be getting ti Sydney from the Hydro. Nightmare.

( actually saw KB hree in Sydney early this year…course he was funny…until a beat him at pool. )

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Did you get upset when KB was swearing, did you walk out?

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  DantheMan

Dan,
I have touret…touret…fucking tourettes!

πŸ™‚

Andy
5 years ago

I admit I have sworn, but there I was trying to get feedback on some tactical comments then this fucking guy rolls in and makes the whole thing about Monti. Ffs. I am surrounded by Monchenglabach fans and fucking Americans, there is nobody to discuss my religion of Celtic with all I wanted was some kind of fucking feedback for my tactical thoughts, but no now it is all about Monti swearing instead of it being about football.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Andy,
I think we have the players at CP to have the basis of a really strong squad, the formation we play places too much expectancy on Griffiths shoulders…( and feet and head).
3-5-2 would be my preferred formation, three central defenders, Lustig, Simunovic and Boyata
Wing backs, Janko and Tierney, Bitton and Brown in the middle with Armstrong in front of them behind Griffiths and Commons?

Personal will vary depending on fan preferences.

You could even have Forrest in behind the strikers.
The players are there,but the manager can’t change his system, it will be his downfall. HH

5 years ago

I love when Celtic wear the hoops and don’t like it when they wear all the other strips. πŸ™‚

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

Jim,
I wish whoever designs the Celtic home shirt would stop fu…oops, messing about with the Hoops.
Jim I wouldn’t even have the club crest on our Hoops, no sponsor either unless it was UNICEF.
Just give me plain Green and white Hoops, about 6 white and 6 green Hoops as our home top, white shorts and plain white socks.
I would also like to see all the players play with black football boots. HH

5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Your giving your age away there Monti. πŸ™‚ That’s what it was like when I was a bhoy. Just green & white hoops, like the Lions! Agree with you about a charity logo. Like Barca used to do until they sold there souls. Now who does that remind me of?

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

Jim,
I’m 43 mate so it’s not my age.
Listen they could wear plimsoles for all I care as long as they played well.
I just prefer black boots to coloured ones.

That will no doubt get twisted into a racist comment πŸ™‚

5 years ago

Dan the Man,

Hope you stay on here. I pleaded with Ralph a couple of days ago to stay on side. It made me think ‘it’s only a internet forum’ but it’s a good site and a community. I will never meet anyone on here but you feel as if you know the folk on here in a distant way. Monti is dyed in the wool celtic. He is unhappy about a lot of things regarding Celtic as most of us are I suspect. Please don’t let other peoples opinions turn you off so much. Your thoughts are as important than anybody else.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

Thanks Jim, appreciate that!

5 years ago

And BTW Monti, cut out the feckin swearing!

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

If everyone else does I’ll comply!

Monti
5 years ago

Dundee v Celtic in the U.S.?

Why?

5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Money.

BondiBrian
5 years ago
Reply to  Jimthetim

Exposure. Many exiled Tims get to see the Tic in the flesh. But aye…its mostly about $$$$$$$.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Bondibrian,
I think it’s nonsense to be honest. If I was marketing Celtic in America I would be looking to play A.C.Milan, the Irish/ Italians would buy into that kind of game.

Dundee? What will they bring to the table, a peh?

PSV
5 years ago

The AGM has as usual highlighted the gap between the ethos of the club , and the modern 21st century reality . Celtic are no longer “a club like no other” , but rather a club like every other. The social conscience of the club is gone and we should recognise that it’s probably never going to return.

On the field , unless The Board have seen something different in the manager , we seem shackled to a system which lacks even the attacking guile of the McNeil years of the late 80s and early 1990s.

I was not even this depressed during the Huns cheating decade …….Celtic are likely to win the league and maybe even the treble this year , but the football being dished up is dire .

Ralph your rants here cheer me up , as you are even more pissed off than I am

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  PSV

Great Post Mr Eindhoven!

Devoy45
5 years ago

Nothing much bothers me on the site because we’re all united in supporting Celtic. Swear away lads. We have only a few trolls, Sevconians and idiots on the site. I would like us to talk tactics more just in case Ronny reads the site! I would like us to talk about actual football more. Andy is right, our one man up front is getting run ragged. Also, we have good fullbacks (mostly)but who is supposed to be on the end of their crosses? Question: how can we get so many corners and so much possession but not score? I support Ronny generally but if his 4-2-3-1 is not working is there any rule in the history of Celtic Football Club that says we can’t change our formation or strategy. If teams come to Celtic to park the bus, maybe we can get over or around the bus somehow? Ronny, 0-0 at home to anybody except Barca or Milan is not acceptable.
Andy, discuss. ‘The Parked Bus’

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy,
What formation would you like to see us play?
I put up a formation earlier that I KNOW would bring better performances.
I remain convinced I can do a better job than Deila.

I’ll provide evidence for this: FIFA 16 career mode I am manager of Celtic, we win everything every year and I always get us into the group stages.

I bet if Ronny played FIFA he still wouldn’t get past the qualifiers.
πŸ™‚

andybhoy
5 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy
Ronny thinks tactics are wee white minty sweets.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

You get Green and Orange tic tac as well Andybhoy, mix them up with some white tic tacs….voila…..Republican tic tacs.:)

andybhoy
5 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Trust you , you naughty, naughty bhoy.

Charlie Saiz
5 years ago

We changed shaped twice at the weekend the result stayed the same.
It’s down to the players as always to make things happen.
On another day Griffiths could have had a hat-trick as he has 4 clear efforts at goal and failed miserably to make the keeper work with all of them.
Brown Forest and Rogic all had efforts too which on another day they might have gone in.
It happens it’s Football.
Our biggest issue this Season has been the defence or should I say the lack of it at times this week we kept a clean sheet mostly to do with the arrival back in the side of Simunovic who I think looks a solid defender on what showing we have seen.
If we can secure another decent CB in Jan or even see a return of Mulgrew then this area of the pitch could be sorted.
Too many are under performing for me Ciftci Armstrong and Mackay Steven have not had the impact many hoped for me included particularly Armstrong who i thinks passing has been brutal this Season.
I would rather Stokes was given a chance out there again he at least can pass and cross a ball with precision.
For those constantly whinging about playing 1 main striker we actually play with 4 in attack with this System.

Monti
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

It isn’t just down to the players at all, I remember two European cup finals that were won by the manager making crucial changes Man Utd against Bayern Munich and Barcelona v Arsenal.

The manager sees things and changes it!

Charlie Saiz
5 years ago

No one is suggesting it is.
He changed it twice against Killie and we ended upwith 3 at the back.
It had zero impact to the scoreline.
The players aren’t performing as well as they can most of them have had dips to their Season some haven’t even got going yet.
Some factors that are being ignored by many as they blame Deila for all.

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