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Peter Lawwell: The Reality

Jack The Lad tells us how it really is

It always irks when Peter Lawwell’s name is mentioned in the Scottish ‘press.’ The man is often painted as the Chief Exec who ‘polarises’ the Celtic support and the man with a ‘stranglehold’ on the Scottish game with his undue influence on various boards and panels. Indeed, they might have a case for the latter, but the former is a statement of the overtly sympathetic nature. Lawwell’s name is a poisonous brand amongst the increasingly ostracised green half of Glasgow, who would probably prefer the skin head down the road with a magic hat to be in charge of affairs at Parkhead. Indeed, with every defeat, the former accountant is lambasted for failing to invest club funds in new talent, while many see him as a narcissistic sociopath intent on lining his own pockets. Failure to make the Champions League group stages two years on the trot and an incapability to assert domestic dominance across all platforms has only increased pressure on Lawwell, but is there a better man for the job?

Maintaining financial stability while putting a team capable of producing results on the park is becoming increasingly difficult at a time when European clubs are haemorrhaging money. Monaco, for example, have had to curb spending after exploding on to the European scene after many a lean year. They quickly realised that spending outrageous amounts on the top European players, Falcao et al, might have been profitable in the short term, but risked their security going forward. Indeed, A UEFA review in 2009 showed that more than half of 655 European clubs made a loss over the previous year, with over 20% of the clubs believed to be in financial peril. Clubs are refusing to live within their means as they look to prosper, and a look across the city highlights the dangers of doing so. Our former rivals, the club once professed to be the ‘biggest institution out with the church’, were liquidated, and in their place rose a new club, currently lingering in the depths of Scottish football.

Celtic, however, have managed to become one of the most financially stable clubs in the game.

When Lawwell took over in 2003, Celtic had a staggering £35million debt and the club had recorded losses of £8million in the previous season despite making it to a European final for the first time in 33 years. Lawwell’s mandate was to wipe out the debt while producing a team capable of success.

Fast forward to 2015. Lawwell has successfully cleared the debt, and we are now continually raking in more profit than the elite clubs in England. Just for comparison, in 2014 the club made a pre tax profit of £11million, a figure greater than that of 12 English Premier League clubs including Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City. This, of course, is in spite of the fact that Celtic and the rest of the clubs in Scotland’s top league receive less than 1% of the TV revenue that is awarded to the top level clubs south of the border.

Indeed, in a 2014 report carried out by S&P Capital IQ into the financial stability of European football’s top clubs, Celtic were found to be the club least likely to default, while the same report also suggested that the Scottish champions were the third most financially stable club in Europe, with only Ajax and Arsenal ranking higher (The report can be found here).

Although the club announced a £4million loss in the 2015 results, that figure does not include the £13million sale of Virgil van Dijk to Southampton, which is due to be added on to next year’s figures.

 

During this period of sustained financial growth under Lawwell, the club have enjoyed remarkable success, winning 8 Championship titles, 5 Scottish Cups, 3 League Cups, making it to the Champions League Group Stages seven times and to the Last 16 on three occasions. The Celtic brand has been expanded globally, with marquee wins over Barcelona, Manchester United, A.C Milan and the rest, while the front of the stadium has been redeveloped to cement Celtic Park as one of Europe’s finest footballing arenas. In short, Lawwell has overseen one of the most successful and profitable periods in the history of the club.

Weren’t we supposed to dissipate into a pile of flaming green ash when the almighty Rangers died?

The truth is we probably would have suffered tremendously had it not been for introduction of Lawwell’s controversial transfer strategy. Lawwell was aware the club had to adapt to the relative football poverty of Scottish footbally, consequently deciding that the way forward was to curb spending on established players in exchange for signing younger, lower reputation players. Players such as Gary Hooper, Victor Wanyama and Virgil van Dijk, were purchased and all contributed to European and domestic success, before being sold on for huge profits. The model is still in place, with Lawwell giving Deila the green light to sign Scottish talents like Stuart Armstrong, Gary Mackay Steven, Scott Allan and Ryan Christie in 2015, with the hope of establishing a dynasty in the Scottish game for years to come. As a result, the £10million a season ‘black hole’ left by the demise of Rangers has been but a soft blow.

Unsurprisingly, many fans have rightfully been unhappy with the strategy. Although it makes sense economically, many of us have grown frustrated with the club finding a gem of a player, watching him for 2 or 3 seasons before moving on.

It’s gotten to the stage where its nigh on impossible to get excited about a new player, knowing that they’ll be moved on for a quick buck when Lawwell and the board get the first sniff of a decent fee. Of course, it has led to a poorer quality team on the park and frustrating performances. It is Lawwell’s strategy, but let’s understand why it is so.

Of course, Celtic are one the world’s biggest clubs in terms of history and global support, and we’d all like to think  that we are capable of so much more than we’re currently doing. However, as we are all aware, the Scottish league is holding us back. There’s not a player over the £5million mark anywhere that’d be willing to play in our league. Even if there was, they’d more than like be demanding a weekly wage over the £50k mark, given that they could get that easily down south. Let’s say we could offer that type of money; would it really be worth the risk? Not only would it create a rift in the changing room, we’d be risking our very existence in the long term. The revenue and TV income is simply not available to support such reckless spending.

If anyone is any doubt, take a glance down the road at the club formerly known as Rangers.

Years of spending millions on the top players in Europe meant success in the short term, sure, but an era of living out with their means ensured that the club was liquidated and had to reform in the Scottish Third division.

Do we really want to go the same way?

Lawwell and the board are simply adjusting to modern football and the times we find ourselves in. If they were to have their way, we’d be in England and not only playing, but competing with the European elite. Unfortunately, we’re restricted, and the club has had to adapt.

Admittedly, the last two years under Ronny Deila have been difficult, and it is perhaps during this time that Lawwell has endured the most pressure of his Parkhead career.

There’s not a Celtic fan out there who didn’t feel utterly soulless as Malmo tore the heart out of our defence and ended our Champions League dreams for the second year in a row. It was an abysmal performance and was rightfully picked apart in the Scottish press. However, the analysis of the situation at Celtic Park on social media was a different story. A quick glance at twitter that night and you would’ve noticed a large proportion of the Celtic support blaming Lawwell’s lack of investment in the team and demanding his immediate resignation. A lack of investment? Really?

Lennon’s team got to the last 16 in 2012-13 and qualified for the Group Stage in 2013-14 with a similar investment in the side, so surely the current Celtic side should’ve been more than capable of making it playing a team whose budget is the equivalent of Aberdeen? Our squad actually cost 12 times that of Malmo’s to assemble. To put it in context, Derk Boerrigter cost more than the entire Malmo starting eleven in Sweden. This was a side, if we are to compare the quality of the two teams on the park, we should’ve put four or five past without coming out of second gear. Instead, our defence was beaten by three simple set pieces over the two legs, while our supposed best defender was left looking like a frightened rabbit. He would later sell for an absurd £13million.  Clearly the loss was not down to Lawwell’s shrewd transfer strategy, but a poor team performance and an absence of tactical know how on behalf of the management and his coaching team.

Yes, the last two years have been hard to endure, of that there is no question, but to place blame with Lawwell is simply unfair. Lawwell’s, and subsequently the club’s ability to operate is restricted by external factors and conditions out their control. Since 2003, Peter Lawwell has managed to turn our club from one on the verge of spiralling out of control with debt to one of the most financially secure in Europe, while our club and our fans have managed to enjoy fantastic success. Let’s not use him as a scapegoat for the failures of the team for the past two qualifying campaigns.

Lawwell’s not everyone’s cup of tea, least of all mine. He’s a hypocritical, ignorant, money hoarding megalomaniac. But he’s bloody good at his job.

Agree ? Disagree ? 

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Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago

Celtic fans who blame Lawwell for all the ills of the club sicken me.

O’Neill was spending the club into the same kind of oblivion that destroyed the original Rangers and was unsustainable.

Too many fans have an arrogant attitude that Celtic should be guaranteed a place with the big boys of European football when nothing can be further from the truth. Simply put we are a big team within the confines of Scotland alone.

Lawwell has ensured the club is run with fiscal responsibility and therefore secured a long-term future. Anyone who cries about underinvestment in the first-team is clueless of the realities of modern football.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

I agree with all of that bud but let’s not kid ourselves on here he’s been paid a kings ransom for his 10 years at Celtic.

Monti
8 years ago

Pish!

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Away back to waving placards about polis ya clownshoe.

Monti
8 years ago

Yes, at least I have the balls to wave placards, you probably think the Polis are quite right to victimise our support!

bob
8 years ago

Exactly m8 we all know what happens when you spend money you don’t have.

Monti
8 years ago

Read that again and came to the same conclusion…… Pish!

8 years ago

Great article, remember the days when we laughed at the huns for the old pals act when getting a job?

Everyone is up in arms about our defence, zonal marking etc, but really what is the Elephant in the room here surely John Kennedy sub 50 games no real experience and defence coach.
Stevie Woods yes great coach but we have the second 6 foot plus goalie who is not allowed to command his box

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

We are still in Debt to the Co-op.
Fact.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

2004 Peter Lawwell (appointed) Wage
Salary £102,884
Bonus £38,582
Benefits £9,063
Pension £15,432
Total £165,961

2006:
“Loans repayable by instalments include bank loans of £12.00m (2005: £19.50m). These loans bear interest at London Inter-Bank Offered
Rate plus 1.125%. These loans form part of a £24.00m loan facility which is repayable in equal quarterly instalments from October 2009
until April 2019 and £16.69m is repayable in July 2019. The Group has the option to repay the loans earlier than these dates without
penalty. The bank loans are secured over Celtic Park and land at Lennoxtown.”

Skip Forward to 2014…
2014 Peter Lawwell Wage
Salary £524,576
Bonus £400,500
Benefits in kind £17,312
Pension Contributions £57,108
Total £999,496

2015
“Group revenue decreased by 21.1%
to £51.08m
Operating expenses decreased by
11.1% to £53.27m”

BANK FACILITIES
“The banking facilities of the Group and Company for the year end 30
June 2015 are described in notes 24 and 29.
The lending agreement with the Co-operative Bank, effective as of 30
August 2014, has an initial combined borrowing facility of £20.40m
which consists of a £6.00m revolving credit facility and £14.40m in
long term loans.
The revolving credit facility bears interest at base rate plus 1.00% and
will reduce by £0.50m in year one and a further £0.50m in year two.
The facility will be repaid or reviewed after three years.
The long term loans will bear interest at London Inter-Bank Offered
Rate plus 1.125%. The loans are floating rate loans and therefore
expose the Group to cash flow risk. The loans are repayable in equal
quarterly instalments of £0.05m from the commencement date until
full repayment of £12.40m in July 2019. The Group has the option to
repay the loans earlier than these dates without penalty. At 30 June
2015, the available borrowing on the long term loans is £14.1m.
The borrowing facility is secured over Celtic Park, land adjoining the
stadium and at Westhorn and Lennoxtown”

So in effect in 2004 when Lawwell was appointed we owed the Co-op £16.00m

In 2015 we still owe the Co-Op £14.1m.

BJF
8 years ago

a coherent, well researched and well argued article. Of course the emotional responses of those that can’t except the financial reality of 21 st century football business isn’t factored in. Well where would we be without those that dream of a David Murray appearing and taking us God knows where?

Splvwnt, still in four completions, would others swap their position with us, Aberdeen have been found out, the demands on their squad have to be compared with the number of competitions they are still in.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  BJF

BJF,
WTF are you talking about?
The board love fans like you…faithful through and through, it’s all shite and the board are laughing at you.
Give us your matchday money while we dilute the quality of the team.
It is risible and supporters should see what they are doing and NOT accept it!

If we go out the CL next season again will Deila still be the man?
Will we still be ‘ progressing ‘ still ‘ building’?

We have incompetence at boardroom level, an out of his depth manager and a headless chicken team.
Does pointing all this out make me not ‘ faithful through and through’ fuck sake!

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

How can you be faithful through and through from an ARMCHAIR?

8 years ago

He has done an amazing job with the finances, no doubt! I wish he had appointed a better manager and not the cheap option so that we would have made CL.

Monti
8 years ago

Peter Lawwell has downsized Celtic, he is Downsizing Celtic, he is appointing cheap option managers, he is making sure Celtic don’t qualify for the Champions league, he puts up an argument on why not to pay the living wage, he want’s Huns in the top league, he doesn’t fight the SFA or the Police in defence of our club and it’s supporters.

HE takes £1m a year for all of this?

It is fucking shocking and he needs to be removed alongwith his pal Dermot!

No debt = no Champions league!
Over the years Lawwell has done good in terms of reducing debt but he has done damage by selling our best players and replacing them with shite.

Goodbye Peter.

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Goodbye Mongti

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bob

Oh dear.

John Brogan
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

“Selling our best players”. I don’t recall any of them leaving Celtic Park kicking and screaming that they didn’t want to go. If anything I think we did well to keep some of them as long as we did. Most good players, particularly foreign ones dream of playing in the EPL – not playing for Celtic. The TV money in England means we cannot possibly match the obscene salaries down there. As another poster has mentioned, perhaps the revised recruitment strategy of buying young and gifted Scottish players will lengthen the time we get to enjoy them being with us.
It really frustrates me listening to the doom mongers out there – you’d think we were in dire straits like our old adversaries down the road. As it is, I believe there are still many positive things to celebrate as a Celtic fan and as long as we keep our financial house in order and retain the business acumen and foresight of Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell and the rest of the board, we’ll be in a very strong position to take advantage of the inevitable restructuring of European football in the not too distant future.

Shooie
8 years ago

My view is that our CEO has done a pretty good job over years and we are a club with a long term future.

I expect our board to look long term and at the big picture. I suspect they foreseen the significant drop in attendances and also the change in the average amount paid for season tickets. We may have around 44,000 season ticket holders but many are concession tickets, e.g. £50 for kids.

Had this not changed then I think the board and the CEO could be more readily criticised for the transfer strategy.

One thing I would change is the timing of transfers, for example I would have moved VVD on at the start of the window and invested whatever the amount was earlier. I prefer the team focused only on one thing when CCL qualification comes round and that’s qualification. I believe even those players who do not expect to move on get distracted by what gets discussed by the players and in particular how much VVD was going to be getting.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Shooie

Shooie,
It’s all about the team on the park, fuck the boardroom!

Shooie
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Hi Monti

Get where you are coming from although its not all about the team on the park, we need to accept one follows the other.

Exactly what comes first is always a difficult one, a successful team can mean improved financials which should be invested in the team and ideally it gets better year on year. The reality is different, one or two bad investments can set you back.

One thing that has contributed is the significant drop in attendances, to be honest it’s been a joke in my view. We saw DiedCo off and what happened, a large chunk of fans disappeared.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Shooie

Shooie,
I don’t believe fans have stopped going to the games because the Huns are dead,I feel there is more to it than that, like diluting the quality of the team and the cost of tickets, which is not family friendly.
I just feel this board are standing still and if that is the case, why should we put up with such apathy?
If Dermot isn’t into pushing us on, then sell up and let’s have a fresh approach.

Shooie
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

It’s a difficult to be certain on what is keeping fans away. I am not convinced it’s finance, you cannot give tickets away for free now, either season tickets that are not being used or getting free tickets from the club.
Personally I feel fans should be turning up in more numbers than they are however maybe 40,000 is our actual support and not the 60,000 we saw for a short period. In the late 70’s and 80’s when I started going with mates attendances were a lot lower, 60,000 crowds were rare back then.
I do agree we are to some extent downsizing but also feel we should have had enough about us to qualify for the CL this year and boost morale as well as finances.
To close I respect your views I just feel it’s a difficult balance to strike.

bawsman
8 years ago

Agree with all of that but the club should be fighting the fans corner better.

Some of the press we gat as a club is libelous yet goes uncontested.

The treatment our support gets from the SNP’s Gestapo is against human rights.

We get less than £2 Mill a year from the TV yet have to kowtow to their programme scheduling. UEFA should be taken to task for Thursday night football, TV WILL kill the game, Celtic should be leading the charge on our behalf.

I’ve got more but basically the club should represent US.

kkbhoy
8 years ago

nobody is saying that we should be paying players 50k per week. but fucking malmo and several other clubs are not paying 50k a week and they are in the champions league. getting their 20m for doing so.
lawell is a superb administrator and has done a great job with the debt but he has ran down the football side and his wages are obscene.
he is also in with a right bunch of basterds who make up our board.
they are not the kind of people i want to see running my beloved club.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  kkbhoy

Kkbhoy,
Well said!

patrick street
8 years ago

A good article, although the side-swipe in the second last sentence is not entirely justified. Perhaps you were attempting to provide balance (or fodder for the malcontented). The transfer policy pursued at Celtic Park is, of necessity,generally risk averse, although, occasionally ambition needs to be matched with action.

Shug
8 years ago

Agree 100% with the article.

Brendan
8 years ago

Good to see you back Ralph. I don’t know lawell one bit, but agree entirely that he is very good at his job. I think in him and Desmond we have cracking stewards of the club, a clear and successful business plan that will ensure we are in the strongest position possible at all times. I also think Ronnie will come good, very very good.

Moan the hoops

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Brendan

Brendan,
You are clearly taking the piss!

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Brendan

Spot on brendan

Ralph malph
8 years ago
Reply to  Brendan

Not my article. Its Jack the Lad’s

Cliftbhoy
8 years ago

Great article
I watched crap Celtic teams of yesteryear and was then treated to big Jock. He was irreplaceable just like Fergie at Man.u
We must survive first and then build, I think the current manager is building and I have much hope for the future. You can’t win everything all the time. How would all the hard to please fans get on if we were in EPL, we would lose a lot more games and struggle to survive. Let’s be happy with what we’ve got and get out there and support the team.

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Cliftbhoy

Well said cliftbhoy! monti doesn’t go to the games so in my opinion doesn’t merit a say.

Southside
8 years ago

I think that the CEO possibly takes a lot of flack for the board.
It is worth remembering that we spend more every year on players than the rest of the senior Scottish clubs combined and that some European clubs with a fraction of our income do make the group stages of theChampions League.
We have a squad full of international players some with dozens of caps and probably one of the best training facilities in Europe. We have the pick of young Scottish talent in our Development squad but fail to bring most of them through.
We can and do cherry pick the best of other Scottish home grown talent.
On balance I would suggest that the management team is failing to make the most of the resources at its disposal and it is they and not the CEO who should be held to account.
Finally could we realistically have kept any of the players that have been shipped out over the last few years. In the modern game if a player wants away they get away contracts are pretty meaningless

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Southside

Good shout Southside!
Our best players moving on for huge sums isn’t an issue for me, it’s what comes in to replace them that creates the problem.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

If I asked every single Tim reading this post the following question:

Would you donate a minimum £5 to a Marquee Player Fund would you put into it?

Now imagine EVERY Tim on the planet was to do that and ask yourself why Peter Lawwell never bothered taking that idea up 4 year ago when I suggested it to him?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I’d put £100 in

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Saved it up seeing as you don’t have a season ticket Mongti

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bob

No, I didn’t let your wife see the dessert trolley.

gerry
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

how many are you expecting to do pay that, if 1 million fans paid a £5 we’d have £5million quid, which marquee would we get for that then who would pay his minimum £50,000 a week wages every year? Maybe one marquee signing could be signed without his over £50k a week wages affecting everyone else but definitely some would want a big pay rise, then it could spirally to crazy money. Sounds great in theory..in practice…hmmm.

Duncan
8 years ago

What a lot of people seem to forget is , including that idiot at Fields of Green is that this bloke ansewers to a boss , Dermott , as he is the major shareholder he has the most influence as to how the club should be run , however if Peter and the coaching staff had any real belief , they would do the sums and say give us x amount of money and we will reach the champions league and the money we receive from that will out weigh what we spent on quality players , on the other hand Dermott should have belief in the people below him and say , here is the money get us in the champions league , Catch 22 ,
I can,t see a billionaire taking that sort of gamble , he did not make his money by taking chances of this sort of magnitude .

Monti
8 years ago

The board need removed, they have proved that they are no longer taking the club forward.
No one is saying that Lawwell hasn’t done well for Celtic, in terms of reducing debt.
But when the final whistle blew at home to Maribor and Malmo…was anyone giving a fuck about debt or the lack of it?

IT’S ALL ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THE TEAM!!!

We are in my opinion, underachieving massively!

8 years ago

House of Lords at paradise !

frank kirk
8 years ago

in hard times we are i BELIEVE in good hands

frank kirk
8 years ago

sorry i thought it was my right to give my opinion
NOT TO KICK OFF FOR THE SAKE OF AN E MAIL ftat

Monti
8 years ago

If I was lucky enough to have Dermot Desmond’s billion pound wealth, Celtic would have a team to match any fucking club in Europe.
We would be IN the CL every year and the Celtic fans would be walking tall every single season.
The tickets would be reduced to £20 maximum for all games, our ground would be full, a new main stand built to make Paradise a proper dome, I’d fight the Police brutality against our fans, I’d fight the SFA on behalf of the supporters.

In me the Celtic fans would have a fucking lunatic in charge….but you all would be fucking loving it!

Bowl?

Monti
8 years ago

You see the biggest thing for me about following Celtic, is seeing those Hoops run out of the tunnel, it is my bag baby, it is my drug.
It is the float in my boat!

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Aye from the comfort of your armchair

frank kirk
8 years ago

you are drunk or misquided but good luck to YOU

8 years ago

A good article which I think most would agree with.

Lawwell has done a very good job at the club but when it comes to educating some football fans on business matters you are wasting your time.

There will always be a section of the support who will question the decision making at boardroom level.

“Where’s the money from Europe?” “What about the money from selling so-and-so?”

If there are any question to be asking the board it is “who is responsible for buying a large batch of duff players these past few years?”

I’m pretty sure nobody has lost their job over that.

Not only have guys like Boerrigter, Pukki and co all been a waste of £2M plus each.

They’ve basically taken up a squad space and salary of a better performer.

On the football field it is very much still work in progress and I am prepared to see it through.

I agree that buying and selling overseas players every 2-3 is not ideal but it is good business for Celtic.

So long as we keep producing out own talent and are able to attract and retain the services of other decent players for a longer period then we can use that to build a future.

Ronny has still to make the breakthrough but the plan is long term and I think he has the backing.

It is understandable to be frustrated at two Champions League exits but it will come.

We just have to keep the faith and back them as we always do.

Dixierekt
8 years ago

No denying Lawwell has done a great job financially…but the club has lost its way in why we exist.
It now seems that the football team exists to make the business successful,rather than the business being run to make the team successful.
Bottom line is we want to compete well in Europe,we want to have some hope that we could win another European Cup. Under the present strategy that’s never gonna happen. The board show no ambition & think reaching the group stages is the best we can do…anything beyond that is considered a bonus. That’s why in my opinion we’ve lost thousands of supporters going to the match. The downsizing & lack of real investment on proven quality players will hinder us for years to come unfortunately.

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago

Lawwell is an easy target for those of us who are essentially toddlers in big boy clothes. Petulantly smashing their fists into the ground while whining “But Celtic are a big club”

Blinkered with the same mentality that fans of the dead club had in the 90’s. That’s how some Celtic fans appear when they expect the club to throw money about which it doesn’t have.

You know things are bad when Celtic fans start acting superior to other clubs. We should have let that nonsense die with Rangers.

bob
8 years ago

You have just summed Monti right there plumsaucesaurus

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  bob

His myopic and immature view of modern football is as laughable as it is ill-informed.

Monti
8 years ago

Plum,
Appropriately named I see.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Totally agree with this.
Success can bring it’s own issues.

Monti
8 years ago

” Celtic fans start acting superior to other clubs “?
What the fuck does that even mean?

ewanbhoy
8 years ago

i didnt like the sentence in the last paragraph”the last 2 years have been hard to endure”……
it has been very disappointing not to have qualified for the CL but is it now painful to win the league in Scotland ?
i also dont like this our manager being the cheap option…meaning that he is no good.
what Ronny is doing and trying to achieve is not going to happen over 1 season but probably at least 3 seasons but as long as we keep winning the league(as hard a thing as this is to endure) then we will be doing ok and going in the right direction and at that time when we do qualify(hopefully next season) for the CL we will not only play but compete with the best of Europe.
alot of people think that our strategy hasnt changed of late but this is not true….ever since Ronny has come in we are now targeting scottish players, something we have not done in a while and a big reason for this is that scottish players are more likely be loyal and want to stay with us and that means we can build a good strong team that will stay together over a long period of time.
yes of course some players will be sold on for big money but the team will mostly stay together and grow together and i also expect to see our youth players really develop in the next few years and push into our first team.

some of you may think that Ronny is the cheap option but for me i think he is the best option and as i said give it 1 or 2 more years and i am sure we will have a team that we are all proud of.

as for Lawwell, well i can see both sides of the argument but i think once what our manager is doing totally comes together there wont be much talk of Lawwell after that.

Plumsaucesaurus
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

100% Agree. It’s a dangerous mentality to equate value with talent.

That exact same mentality is strangling the life out of English football.

Frankly I’d be delighted if a “cheap option” came good in any fashion. Craig Gordon was a free transfer so by their, entirely unsound, logic he must therefore be pish compared to Bailly because we paid a transfer fee for him…

Monti
8 years ago

The question is though, after receiving £10m for Forster, why were we taking a gamble on a goalkeeper who hadn’t played for 2 years?

Is that not an example of this boards fucked up policy?

In your own time Ferrero……

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Still waiting?
We have £10m from the sale of our number 1 goalkeeper, first thing we do is look at a goalkeeper, on a free transfer, who hasn’t played in two years?

Gambling with the teams fortunes? I would say so.
Logan Bailly deserves a chance to show the fans he is a top keeper, Gordon has made a few errors that have cost us, he isn’t immune from the bench.

Carntyne
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Bollocks Monti!

Gambling with the club’s future is what the MurrayMint did with Rangers.

I wonder what happened to them.

Whinge and moan, whinge and moan.

Fckn does my head in…

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Carntyne,
So fucking what if it’s doing your head in, dinnae read it then!
Do you think I’m the only Celtic supporter who feels the same way I do?
You need to stop equating Celtic needing to strengthen the team and what happened to the Huns, it is completely unrelated and irrelevant.
For example I’m not asking the club to use EBT schemes or to avoid paying our bills.

Doing your head in? So fucking what?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

ewanbhoy,
If it’s going to take 3 years for Deila to put a team on the park, then from the day he was appointed, why did the board not drop the ticket prices to reflect the shite we are being asked to pay to see?
3 years my arse, we have been Downsizing for years, that’s why Lennon left, the board don’t want to go the extra mile, that’s the problem.

bawsman
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

C’mon, you think THIS Celtic team are shite? You must be awfy young matey.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bawsman

Bawsman,
I was wrong to describe the team as shite, however it certainly isn’t as strong as it should be.

tom campbell
8 years ago

“He’s a hypocritical, ignorant, money hoarding megalomaniac. ”

Unfair! Unless you explain this criticism, point by point.

deadhead67
8 years ago

Nice article well written Mr Lawwell,any chance of us getting a proper coach/manager rather than a manager of a fitness club,and stop buying spl rubbish players.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

We won the European Cup with a team a Scottish players.
Done fuck all since with Foreigners.
Go figure?

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

” Foreigners “?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Yes people who are foreign to this country.

Carntyne
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Fck off DickHead…

8 years ago

You are showing great restraint Monti. 🙂

8 years ago

I want him gone. Out. Finito. Done.

No amount of trying to scare me with “Look what happened to Rangers …” is ever going to change my mind. I look at where we are as a club, and there’s no justification for the guy to be earning a cool £1 million a year.

I don’t think he IS “bloody good at hus job” furthermore. He’s turned us into a business that only makes money when we can sell a player every year. How is that being good at his job? The number of people who defend this guy … it stuns me.

Some Celtic fans will swallow anything.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  James Forrest

Well said James!

Devoy45
8 years ago

I think Lawwell has done a very good job. Our club almost died in the past but it is not likely to go under any time soon. Ronny will prove an excellent manager and we have a lot of young Scottish players full of great promise. The very best is yet to come. It is irrelevant what we would do in Lawwell or Desmond’s shoes.
If I were a billionaire I would give most of it to good water supplies and medical and food aid to the world at large and to my children and grandchildren. However, I would give some to Celtic to buy us a few quality players.
If, as part of a world-wide Celtic family, I would give a lot more than a fiver when asked. But nobody’s asked. Lawwell, do what Charlie Saiz says. I think most of us would give £100 or so instead of a fiver.

Atlantabhoy
8 years ago

Never could stand some fans thinking they are better supporters than other fans because they attend all the games. How about fans that don’t live in Scotland? What about those that cannot afford it? How about work constraints? And various other reasons I could think of.

Debate is great, but you lose all worth when you resort to personal insult, and thats whether you agree or disagree with this article.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Atlantabhoy

Spot on.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

Has anyone read my post regarding the CURRENT DEBT we have?
I wish to fuck those who think we are operating “Debt Free” would wake up and actually do some research on this.

We haven’t been Debt Free in the entire time Peter Lawwell has been at Celtic.
In fact we have only paid off £2m of the original Co-op Debt.
By the way for the avoidance of doubt we have until 2019 to pay it back.
Hence the downsizing.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

No.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

I have nothing against signing cheap options after all..
Larsson- £650k
Gordon-Free
Lustig-Free
Ledley-Free
Commons-£300k
Watt-£100k
Bitton£800k
Wanyama-£700k
Izaguirre-£650k
Lubo-Free

However if we have to splash for proven quality to solve an issue?
Like a striker…We have no option but to do it at times.
Or suffer the consequences of not doing so.
Spending/wasting Millions on unproven fuds like Pukki Balde Fortune IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Wanyama was 950,000
Moravcik was 300,000

bob
8 years ago
Reply to  Monti

It looks like charlie saiz is running circles round the bold monti!give it up monti it’s getting embarrassing now

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  bob

Yep,
A bit like taking your wife out for a walk during daylight.
NASA thank her for explaining the crop circles, by the way.
Picnic was it?

DantheMan
8 years ago

This Ross County team are starting to impress me. ( Hate BillyDodds) 1-0

DantheMan
8 years ago

Don’t really hate anyone, but don’t like him.

DantheMan
8 years ago

The Ross County Centre Back , Davis I think has been outstanding tonight hasn’t missed a header all night. Worth a look Celtic. Won’t cost a fortune either.

Gerry
8 years ago

When Lawwell hit out with that “costs us £10m a year” patter was he asked to substantiate it? I fail to see how their demise costs us that every year. We did not have 53k of season ticket holders until 2012, waiting lists for the same, nor has the TV deal changed that much if at all. Claiming the lack of a full house at Paradise is entirely down to not having them is a man telling us what he wants the reason to be, not the reason he knows it to be. The quality of football on the park, deteriorating as it has over the past ten years has been the main culprit; the second being the global economic downturn and plenty of fans have to choose food on the table over football. No Rangers a distant third.
I could be wrong but have the man back it up with numbers in black and white. Don’t hit out with a punchline and hope we all accept it.

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

Excellently put Gerry!

DantheMan
8 years ago

Why did we let Jackson Irvine go??? He was outstanding too tonight.

DantheMan
8 years ago

Aberdeen 0 Ross County 2 , top of the table tomorrow lunchtime?

8 years ago

Doff your cap and be thankful! The upper classes know best

BroxburnBhoy
8 years ago

I agree that Lawell is good at his job when it comes to managing finance and keeping us away from a fate like Sevco. For that he deserves some credit. That said we need more than the status quo we need a vision of how to play in Scotland and somehow be able to compete in Europe seriously. That takes money and we need need clever ways of getting more cash in the club to spend on quality players willing to play in Scotland. I think Lawell and rest of the board are in status quo mode – need some vision to move forward with respect to our realities. Starts with the team on the field and can go much further. I see unbeatable Aberdeen are Aberdone! You have to laugh

Neutral bystander
8 years ago

The only problem I have with the current set up is there are not enough genuine fans actually playing for the first team. True Celtic players would never surrender to teams like Maemo. Brown and all his posturing will never convince me he is fully committed.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

He played through the pain barrier for about 3 months putting back the op he needed to keep the side going foward.
He’s also put in some incredible shifts in his 8 years at Celtic how much more do you want to need convincing a tatoo of Jinky on his arse perhaps?

Seansie
8 years ago

Folks, lots of moans and groans on here. The reality is that if English clubs hadn’t been put out of Europe all those years ago we would have been watching copious amounts of sub standard football for the last 30 year. The only way for our club to work on a level playing field with the other big clubs around the globe is to be allowed the same type of revenue stream. I. E. Join the premiership. Will it ever happen let’s hope so. Hail hail

Pablomc
8 years ago

I don’t often post on here mainly because I’m shite at putting words down, but I’ve felt compelled to say something on this matter.

PL is just doing his job, I have no doubt he is a Celtic fan at the bottom of is heart, but he has to go in there with no emotion and do what is best for the PLC/Club/Supporters. It will be in that order as well. He gets paid incredibly well, but I would rather be me than him any day of the week. I’ve worked in football for 10 years and I have seen at first hand what working for the club you love does to you. You end up with no feeling for them or very little at least. If you offered me a job at Celtic I would give it the biggest body swerve ever. He does his job and he does it well from what I can see, you are never going to please all the people all of the time. As for Ronnie, who else could we have got at Celtic? Steve Clarke? Roy Keane? Malky McKay? OR some other Tony Mowbray type of appointment? Lenny didn’t get into the CL until his 3rd year, so I am confident next year will be our year and we will be there and hopefully for the next few years to come.
HAIL HAIL

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Pablomc

I agree with all of that.

binkabhoy
8 years ago

I’m joining in only to say this….

What – primarily – does a Chief Executive do? They carry out those strategic objectives that are decided by the board.

Whatever grievances there are about the strategic direction of the PLC, aim them at the correct target. FFS.

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