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Celtic Diary Wednesday August 26: Unacceptable

It would be fairly easy to sit here and blame the manager. It would be easier still to blame the players. Or the somewhat bizarre decision to wear a luducrous strip for the first time when familiarity and trust was required. Or perhaps van dijk wan’t concentrating …or maybe the referee was bribed.

But no. It wasn’t any of those. It might have been that wee bits of each contributed, but when you sit down and think about it, in the cold light of day, it’s simple, really.

We were shite.

And played like a bunch of kids in a schoolboy consolation cup tournament.

You know the one, where the losers from the first round of the big cup go into a cup to keep them interested until the summer holidays. Keeps them from smashing windows and stealing the badges off cars.

Ronny decided to go with charlie mulgrew at left back. surprising that no-one pointed out he’s a bit of a cart horse in that role.

Ronny figured that Saidy Janko was ready for the top level.

Ronny reckoned that we’d win this game, and then seemed to do his level best to ensure we didn’t. We had to defend a lead, he defended his defenders in public, and then changed it all around.

And don’t get me started on the new strip. Not only did we look like a bunch of stewards who had wandred onto the pitch by mistake, we played like it as well.

Team game ? Really ? It was as though someone in the pub had said come on lads, eleven v eleven.

Was this really the same side that tore Malmo apart in a blistering opening twenty minutes just last week ?

Well, give or take a couple of players, yes.

But ย you wouldn’t have thought so.

Fair enough, bitons goal should have stood. But Malmo would have only scored as many as they needed to.

Well done to them. They deserved it. Even if the manager did to Deila what Brian Clough did to Davie Hay all those years ago when Notttingham Forest beat Celtic at Celtic Park.

I’m not calling for Deila to be fired. But i wouldn’t be too annoyed if he was.

I fell for his new system. I thought he had a vision, and yet when it comes down to it, he’s full of the same stuff I clear away when the puppy goes out in the morning.

Talks a good game. Thats about it.

So, Celtic drop into the Europa League.

Thursday night games at 6pm.

Sunday matches.

Alright, thats where we are.

But I’m concerned that the club are quite happy with that. They are in a comfort zone. And need to be shaken out of it.

Last night was unacceptable in so many ways, and has sent the season into a downward spiral.

And it was all so promising just a week ago……..

I could go on for hours, but why should I spoil the rest of my day ?

Or yours ?

Heres a picture of a bunny rabbit ย in a field.

 

To take your mind off things.

 

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Danny Tobin
8 years ago

Nice bunny shame about the team though, where have I seen this before hmm those changes at the start of the season what’s my best team . I hate to say it but some of the players need new homes and so too our asst manager
As for Ronnie judge me in a year, well in my unesteemed opinion he better get at least a last eight in the consolation cup as other coaches are available.

tom campbell
8 years ago
Reply to  Danny Tobin

Name the coaches who are available

bogbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  tom campbell

idiot comment. gonna carl pilkington on idiots like you with idiot comments

London celtic
8 years ago

Celtic board need a to wise up fast, Scottish kids aren’t supporting celtic as much these days. It’s because success breeds success. Basically we are shite these days. There following the over hyped epl teams. I’d start with the board, need a huge clean out at celtic. If ronny stays he rid of the background staff what are they at in training?

selkirk casual
8 years ago
Reply to  London celtic

how the hell do you know this ?

London celtic
8 years ago

We have been officially “downsized”
Thanks Peter.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

We spend like a Championship also ran.
We play like the Champions of Scotland.
We lose like a bunch of fucking weans who have dropped their ice cream outside the shop.
Wake up for fuck sakes we are at best a Europa League level Club.
Our last e Managerial appointments have been the cheap option.
Ou Investment levels since the great run by O’Neils men has plummeted and since Ki was punted for ยฃ6m we have become a cash generating supply team for Mediocre diddy Clubs down South.
3 Seasons ago Shakhter nearly did the exact same thing to us as Malmo.
We were a crossbars width and a goal line clearance from Matthews from a similar fate.
We made the Group and then managed to finish bottom of the Group with 1 win and 3 points having scored 3 goals and conceding 14.
The writing has been on the wall since then.
The blame if there is any to be had should lie squarely at the door of our Board.
The manger can only work with what he has after all.
No Lustig,Izzy an average defender,Mulgrew a utility man fit for thE SPL and Boyata a looks like Bobo Balde plays like Amido Balde..ie an empty shirt.
Our Support are dreamers in the whole we build our players up to be something they clearly aren’t at the level required at Champions League.
Griffiths is not a European level striker.
Commons is not Pirlo christ he’s not even Murdo McLeod.
Bitton for all the will in the World is not half the player some seem to think he is…well against Caley Thistle he might be but in Europe?
Average.
He will be sld for profit though so that’s alright.
The divid ends will be good regardless and that is all that actually matters for those who run our Club.
Peter Lawwell wil lift ยฃ1m this year in wages and bonuses even if the the empty seats become more obvious.
There lies the real issue at Celtic.
We have blown over ยฃ40m in potential revenue in 2 years.
They still walked away with their slice of the action regardless.

Gerry
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie, I think your point would be valid were we complaining about being pumped in the Group stages, but we’re complaining about losing to Malmo. Swedish champions so hardly a disgrace, but the financial clout argument is invalid as Malmo haven’t bought their way in, they turned up on the night and our players didn’t.
I’d be surprised if our wage bill was less than Malmo/Maribor, which means we are paying too much money for poorer quality players; either that or our better players are being mis-managed. I don’t believe it’s the latter so our recruitment had better improve, and FFS do it in January so our squad is in place for half a season together in preparation for the qualifiers. For all we brought Boyata in before pre-season, the defensive unit has been tinkered with throughout the qualifiers (injury an unfortunate and unavoidable issue of course).
We laughed at the dark side for over paying players to win diddy leagues, we are doing the same if those players can’t do the job in Europe as well.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

Malmo had 8 new players in their side from the team that played in the CL last year, the main difference being , they have a manager who knows what he’s doing.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

Malmo have beaten better sides than us in their own ground Gerry.
Just like we have done in days gone by when we raised our game to beat sides far more expensive to build than ours.
That’s my point it’s fine margins in Europe bud ,you need all your players to turn in a performance at this level or as in the famous victory ove Barca turn in a superhuman effort to do the very best over.
Thing is our Board have changed the rules of the contact between us the fans and them the decision makers.
They want a full house in the Champions League and all that comes with it but are unprepared to finance the building of a squad capable of delivering it.
The bottm line is if Virgil goes for upward of ยฃ12m (not inconceivable if Stones goes for ยฃ36m this week)then in reality they have only lost out on ยฃ3m.
We pull a good draw in the Europa say Southampton,Dortmund and Monaco that ยฃ3m will be covered.
In effect it does not affect their own we slice of the pie.
It only affects us the Support.
Well most of us.
I will be happy with that draw in the Europa tha’s a genuinely tough Group above and I think a wonderful opportunity for the likes of Janko Boyata O’ Connell Tierney Ciftci and whoever replaces Van Dijk to gain experience and who knows shine?
Malmo had experienced players in that side Rosenberg is 32 and led the line exactly like ou front man should.
Except the thing is Griffiths is 7/8 years off being that kind of player.
Ciftci has possibilities of being that man but what we need is proven finishers at this level not ยฃ1-2m signings from Hibs or Dundee United.
We know this from experience we went to a UEFA final with an attack containing LARSSON SUTTON and HARTSON.
That cost money money we were prepared at that time to throw at the problem.
If we as a Club wish to mix it in Europe with the very best we cannot do so with the very average.
Our problem is our Domestic setup and the fact our biggest cash cow went tits up and fell off the Financial cliff for 4 years.
How many million have the loss of those games cost in reality?
I agree I am not for buying success on the domestic front but if your intentions are to focus on the European Front then It is imperative you spend the money on the right quality in the right places.
We simply have not done that for over a decade pal.
Now we are seeing the result of this.
We are a mediocre Europa League level side capable of raising our game to a decent Europa League level side that’s it that’s all we paid for.

bogbhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

agree Gerry, lawells love child strikes again. No excuses we were awful against a team we should’ve pumped

Doc
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Deila more than has the tools at his disposal to do what is required of him, the board have supported him, the fact he’s still in a job is testament to that. Deila has cost Celtic more money than he’s made us. I don’t know why some folk seem to view him as infallible. If you cost your business more than you made it and folk on a fifth of your wage could do your job better than you, would you still be employed?

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Doc

If the business made a 15% loss on the previous year would you as a Director still be expecting the same bonus as last year?
Peter Lawwell did regardless of not making the promised land and riches.
No doubt he will again this Seasons end.

bgbgoy
8 years ago

you wont say it, i will, DEILA OUT NOW

hes done nothing since he came, no improvement in how we play. in lennons last season we lost once in the league and tore teams to shreds!!! hes maybe improved the fitness levels but what use is that when we cant carry out the basic levels of football required!! no striker and soon to be no defence. griffiths missed a sitter last night, only had to casually lift the ball over the keepers head insted he tries the fifa finish of power. half time team talk consisted of keep doing what your doing, the goal will come!!!! fucking shambles

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  bgbgoy

He won a League and Cup double,narrowly missed out on a treble, got to the last 16 of the Europa and broke a 96 year League defensive record.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

His time is up as far as I’m concerned, you cannot defend that pathetic no show last night, that was solely the responsibility of the manager, nothihg more, nothihg less.

San Miguel
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Just like to point out we have conceded 2 goals in each of our last 4 games

Mike mcarthur
8 years ago

Celtic Mike. Ronny should go had chance last week to play 2up front in 2nd half to kill the tie no plan b given him the benefit not now

Cartvale88
8 years ago

The people to blame for last nights shambles are Peter Lawell and the board. Year after year we bring in poorly skilled footballers, sometimes finding the odd diamond that the board cannot wait to sell and move on.
After last year I gave up my season ticket as the majority of play was dross, in the Europa League we could not even play well, the defeat by Inter was lauded by many.
E wry year Lwaell brings in the cast offs of other teams instead of trying to bring in one or two quality players.
I walked out of the pub last night after the sixtieth minute, the likelihood of Celtic scoring against a bang average team was nil.
As I walked away my feelings were not to give another bawbee, or to take my grandchildren who are rampant supporters to another game.
There has to be money spent before the closure of the transfer window on a Left Back, also a quality forward not Cifcti another penny pinching buy.
I am away for a wee lie down, at my age I cannot stand the stress

franko
8 years ago

Big problems ahead for Celtic.

ยฃ13 deficit after last night, ok so we sell VVD and that plugs the gap this season.

What about next year? We’ll have a weaker side (due to selling our best player again), thus making it even harder to get into CL group. So we fail again, but who do we sell to plug the gap? Bitton is good, but not ยฃ13m good.

So we need to downsize further. Making it EVEN harder to qualify.

The management of the squad in terms of sales and replacements since we beat Barca just three years ago is abysmal. Gone are Hooper, Wanyama, Forster (albeit Gordon is a good replacement), Ledley etc etc and they have not been replaced with anything like the required quality.

Rant over.

8 years ago

Rothesay Celt

The first thing that needs to be ditched is zonal marking to lose three goals from corner kicks is simply unnacceptable,like lots of former succesful teams in europe we are in the europa league lets hope we get an exciting group and qualify for last 16 to wipe away the gloom

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  m mccartney

Ex Goybhoy myself totally agree on the zonal pish pal allocate each defender to a man based on his and their strengths and attack the ball if it is hitting your man.
Simples.

Camberwick Green
8 years ago

It was a bad result . . . a really bad result.
Only made worse by the expectation that we would have done better.
Remember losing out to Basel the year we all went to Seville?
Something similar this year might help soften the blow.
In the mean time, we’ll just have to make do with the picture of the bunny.

andybhoy
8 years ago

No chance .

Solaris
8 years ago

The rabbit looks scared.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago

If only Ronny had a magic hat.

franko
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

First smile I’ve cracked since last night!

8 years ago

Well once again an embarrassing and humiliating performance in Europe a team with no ability no skill no intelligence and a manager not up for the job ( p45 in post I hope )we have a massive support with a huge ambition and a board management team that are small minded with no ambition P lawell is steeling and cheating the fans 1000 turn up to watch that fuckin shite every player should be ashamed of them self’s needless fouls bookings as I said no intelligence and that sub zero intelligent Griffiths walks up and knees a guy in the baws fuck sake just a prick oh was brown and Johanson on the park pathetic look in the champions league when you buy a player for 1.5m he’s a dud and that sums up cifti fuckin dud well there was lots of empty seats at celtic park last season this season it will be like a ghost town celtic fans need to start showing their anger and not put up with this anymore nice knowing you Ronnie but time to get to fuck you are not correcting the teams mistakes 3 corners 3 goals you said you planned for a year for this game well your planning is shite so you and Peter Lawell can get to fuck anytime

franko
8 years ago
Reply to  drewster

and breath…….

Mรญceรกl
8 years ago
Reply to  franko

Spot on.
No passion, no pride, no plan. Brown is no leader so should not be captain. Malmo manager was right, we’re a 70 minute team and when we’re a goal down, we’re a 50 minute team.
Lennon or Strachan would have kicked their arses off and on the pitch for a performance like that. All of their teams played for 95 minutes full on and fought for the jersey. These clowns should all be packed off. Am embarrassment to the club, just like that gobshite lawell. .

deadhead67
8 years ago
Reply to  drewster

well said

HoudiniBhoy
8 years ago

The hysteria is mind-blowing and very SMSM-esque on how the tide turns so quickly on a man who we all believed in until last night.

One bad game does not a season make… although perhaps in this one it does. That said, I believe Ronnie has a plan and I am happy to give him the time to bring that to fruition.

Playing Mulgrew was a mistake, clearly but Janko would have been preferable to Efe. Izzy can be a worry at times but two pacey players on both wings I would have thought we could have always scored more than them.

How Griffiths is now all a sudden not the player he was yesterday afternoon is beyond me. He has to get the service and where was the piercing balls from Bitton and Johansen? Malmo cut everything out and played out of their skins, with the odd lapse of concentration which went unpunished.

Malmo aren’t better than us, but they were on the night and that’s what counts – Celtic choked, Ronnie tinkered – if it ain’t broke…

The referee was pish last night and both sides could have been down to nine men but that’s no excuse. There is no excuse and we can wail and gnash teeth or get behind the team. A UEFA Cup run will do the youngsters good, it’s not what we want to see I know that but it’s what we have.

Should Ronnie resign… who replaces him? What calibre of manager can we attract? Face it Bhoys and Ghirls, we are where we are and only significant investment from Desmond with not thought of any return can change that… and we all know where that kind of madness leads!!

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  HoudiniBhoy

Great post.
One lost all Season and it’s end of the world stuff!
Christ we got humped last season several times by this juncture.

Morto
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Agreed. Lots of over reaction.
It was an awful performance by 9 of the 11 on the park (Gordon and Forrest were acceptable) and I really don’t get the substitutions or the lack of a plan B. However, no matter how you cut it, it’s still better than this time last year.

deadhead67
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

you obviously enjoy watching piss ,are you also a beatles fan

Monti
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Shut the fuck up Donny!

Doc
8 years ago
Reply to  HoudiniBhoy

Always doubted him, we seem to really struggle against teams that pay their players 20% of what we play ours. Malmo aren’t a good team, if they played well they could have hit us for 5 or 6, Rosenberg missed a hat trick of sitters on his own.

I think quite a few managers could watch that game and know they could do better.

I don’t see a UEFA cup run, Malmo have only made it past the first round once in the last 20 years. We could well get drawn against much better teams than Malmo.

Donnie Bhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  HoudiniBhoy

Good comments there Danny. Griffiths will get us goals, but the difference between him and Rosenburg was obvious last night. Rosenburg is a classic Centre Forward Griffiths is not and that is what we need when we have 2 pacy wingers firing in good balls and there is no one there to get on the end. Griffiths is good but needs help. I thought Johannson had his worst game for us last night and that is part of what was wrong. Too many players didn’t show up. I guess that should be Deila’s job to make them show up, but I amn’t calling for his head yet.

Danny Tobin
8 years ago

I am finished moaning and will move on with hope in my heart ….well you know the rest. The best supporters in the world are celtic supporters starting that weekend

sajfraser
8 years ago

There is only 1 way forward bring through our own players who are good enough to play in the CL. Anyone we buy in if they are good enough will use us as a stepping stone for the EPL that is the harsh reality. If our goal had stood we might have played better in the 2nd half but we lack big game experience because we can no longer buy in ready made CL quality players.
I am concerned by Delia again.
We missed Lustig.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

charlie…. he got beat by a piss poor inter milan side and it was the last 32! we got hammered by salzburg at home and beat away to zagreb…. under lennon we broke all sorts of clean sheet records… are you honestly telling me there is a improvemnt from where we where 2 years ago? under lennon we got through the qualfiers!! TWICE and reached the last 16 of the champions league beating barcelona on the way… we have went back the way, not forward and its the managers fault!! not asking to win every game here but he loses when it matters, he has been found out at this levek and its not good enough…nohing against the manager personally he just doesnt have what it takes at this level and thats the problem.. its his team now and thats 2 years he has made a huge arse of it…

ewanbhoy
8 years ago

I knew the sack the manager boys would be out in force today.
Now up until last night were we not playing good football and improving and going in the right direction ?
What happened last night was a disaster and the only wrong call Ronny made was playing mulgrew at LB but what happened on the pitch was down to our players.
Think back to last season and how well we played against Inter, now ok we lost that tie but that was down to mistakes by our players but overall as a team we played great football. Look back at how well we played last week in the first half against Malmรถ, not bad either.
What last night showed me is that we still have too many players that aren’t good enough. Mulgrew and boyata were the 2 players that cost us the game, when your defence is weak it makes the rest of the team weak and that is what happened last night, also we don’t have a real top quality striker that is needed at the highest level so for me we were 3 players short last night but that was enough to bring down the whole team.
I still think Ronny is the right man but I think like the rest of us learned alot last night about certain players that just aren’t good enough.
We are all hurting today and feel angry at last nights performance but take out the shite and replace them with quality and things will get back on track quickly so I say to PL back the manager, show some ambition and sign 3 quality players (LB,CH and F)before the transfer window shuts.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Spot on on all accounts.

deadhead67
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Apair of sychophants ffs

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Away and raffle yersel ya numpty.

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Everybody is screaming sign quality players ??? They already play for Chelsea Man City Man Utd Real Madrid Barcelona and Bayern Munich .It’s a cartel pick any one from six to win Champions League every season . Big Jock could not get us into this club now because all the money that counts comes from TV . Sutton hit it on the head last night when he said mediocre Championship sides are spending ยฃ 8m on players we can’t spend that on a team.
Our expectations are too high , no point fingering The Board. When it is a level playing field then it is their responsibility if we do not achieve but the whole European Game is unfairly tilted towards the Rich . Sounds a bit like Britain under this Government to me.

The Green Destiny
8 years ago

“But coach, it’s these boots…”

Probably has no bearing at all on last night’s result, but Why do we persist in bringing out new versions of that awful luminous/black strip? Does anyone actually like it?

It’s linked with failure – 96/97, and the Tony Mowbray Experience. Here’s another chapter.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

ewan…. playing good football?? when? at kilmarnock when we drew 2-2 with the whipping boys? or the last 60 mins last week against malmo? seems to me that ever since he started his ronny roar that the fans love him!? even the inverness game forget about the refereeing for a minute, that goal we lost from our corner was a shambles!! and the last 3 goals from this tie was corners… HE DOESNT LEARN FROM MISTAKES… warsaw, maribor and now malmo… how many chances does he get and getting it right? how much money do we lose until he finally cracks it? if i miss my targets at work every year then i would be sacked… are you telling me this is not a target? its a joke that we have not qualified and there will be only 30k there on saturday (me included) but they get what they deserve…

Joebhoy
8 years ago

A bunny caught in the headlights would have been more apt- last season we gave him the benefit of the doubt but Last night indicated he’s not learning from his mistakes ; more worrying was the lack of passion shown by anyone.

Tow seasons in a row we’ve been knocked out by very average European teams last night’s hurt more for everyone, then looked devoid of bottle and ideas, they were an embarrassment to the club..

yestim
8 years ago

F##k me, did I blink and miss something, where did all these idiots appear on our diary???
Sack RD or keep him and get rid of the backroom staff???
WTF, last night at tea-time we were full of RD and his new ways, he did the double last year, cheated out of a treble, and now he is shite.
Like all Celtic managers, including Jock Stein, he had a horrendous outing in Europe, get over it, we have no divine right to being playing in the champions league, we are the level we are at because we play in a shitty Scottish League where competition is non existent. Even if Oldco survive and get promoted they are light years away from being real competition.
The issue is not RD or the board or even the players, it where we are at this time, we buy cheap and sell for profit because that how we don’t become Oldco the 2nd.
Please all regular readers and posters on this site, take Franco’s advice, and breath. The rest of you F##k off back to your other boards!!!!!

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

What gives you the right to tell fellow supporters to fuck off because of their opinion ? As for the support of the ‘manager’ ? I think you’ll find ithas never been as universal as you seem to believe .

yestim
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andybhoy, you are quite right, I have no right to tell others to f##k off! and I apoligise for my outburst.

I just get very frustrated when new names show up on here and other sites spurting abuse at RD, players and anyone else who gets in the way.

However I guess they are entitled to their opinions

I do not take for granted a universal approval of RD, however I do believe, that at the wage level Celtic pay for players and managers we would struggle to get someone better.

This is not a criticism of the board, I just believe that this is the level we are at, at present

yestim
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Andy Bhoy and Joebhoy, you are both quite right, I have no right to tell other posters to F##K off! They are entitled to their opinions the same as me. I apoligise to anyone who has taken offence

I get frustrated at the way new names appear with negative views on RD, the players, the board and any body else that get in their way when Celtic don’t win. so the post was not aimed at you Joebhoy.

I am aware that RD does not have the universal approval that you rightly stated, however who is going to do better. The wages we pay Players and Managers leave little choice for improvement.

We live in a shitty league, with no competition and no real money. We could go the way of Oldco and pay over inflated wages for semi decent players.

At present what we are is a team from a small league trying to emulate our predecessors in a different economic climate.

This is the way it will be for a number of years to come regardless who we have as a manager.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

Well said fucking eejits.

Joebhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

Fuck you bawbag- been posting on here since it’s inception; our yard stick is Europe and Ronnie looks like he lacks the minerals to succeed and compete..

Cometh the hour, Cometh the man- although what we got was scared wee baby..

deadhead67
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

not everyone i knew he was shit right from the start of last season,get him to fuck

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

Hail Hail!!!

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  yestim

Not you dead thing!!

Curlybhoy
8 years ago

One quick way to improve may be to:

– sell the whole first team squad
– Buy the whole malmo first team squad
– We improve and make a healthy profit

My CV is on it’s way…

Sontse67
8 years ago

Manager has had 3 goes at qualification without success.No progress since last year.Basic defending errors and absolutely no creative ideas from middle of park upwards.Writing on the wall from long way out.Unable to effect any change to the game.
Result disappointing but manner of defeat unacceptable.
Couldn’t close out tie after 2 goal start against ordinary side.
Methods not working so fresh thinking and change required at board and managerial level.

Devoy45
8 years ago

All of us who have played any sport know that sometimes it just disnae work. Simples. Last night was one of those nights. Bad reffing can make all the difference. Deila is learning, our young team is learning. Deila won a double in his first season and gave us some good football in Europe. Don’t forget Forster, Hooper, Wanyama, etc all wanted to leave so let them go. So did Martin O’Neill and Lennon. We had some dire results under both Lenny and Strachan. There are no good managers out there who want to come to Scotland.
Last night proved money can’t buy success. We know this when we play Man Utd and Barcelona but we can still beat them sometimes. Getting into Champion’s League group stages is a lot to do with the luck of the draw. We could (easily) have handled any team other than Malmo.
What can we do?
Support the bhoys, forget about Lawwell.
Win the league.
Win a double.
Win a treble.
Go far in the Europa League.
Keep our eyes on that dream of ten in a row.
We’ll probably draw Sevco in one or two cups so that should be fun as well.
Take a deep breath, smell the coffee, smell the shamrocks.
Fitball isn’t a matter of life and death; it’s one helluva lot less serious than that.
We have a young team, full of our young countrymen, who at times play like the Celtic.
of old. Be kind to your wife, your partner your children, your grandchildren. If you have good health and aren’t skint, you have enough.
Give Deila and the team your opinion and your support but no panic buttons.
Take a deep breath….the auld yin has spoken!

jrw
8 years ago

Very disappointing to put it mildly – the players let themselves and the manager down not to mention the support. In short, they bottled it. Thursday and Sunday football at ridiculous times that will inconvenience supporters is the immediate practical consequence and the loss of revenue in the longer term, players too and a greater difficulty in attracting quality players to come to Celtic are all likely. They just have to win the Europa Cup instead now to atone for the failure last night! But there is another perspective here โ€“ although playing the top teams in the Champions League is a major attraction for the support, the competition itself is fundamentally corrupt โ€“ it is a self-licking lollipop for the already wealthy and a handful of top clubs in a handful of countries. It is not a Champions League at all โ€“ it is a rigged device for pumping more and more TV revenue into the coffers of the likes of Barcelona, Man City, Chelsea and Bayern Munich with continuing damaging consequences for the ability of everybody else to compete on a fair and level playing field. So although we are all depressed this morning about the loss of the big nights under the lights at Celtic Park this autumn, it helps soften the blow a little to remember this telling reality.

San Miguel
8 years ago

Johansen seems to be unstoppable, he should be nowhere near the first team at the moment in his current form. Brown was invisible last night we lost it in the midfield as we couldn’t battle. Only Gordon and Forrest got pass marks IMHO.

highseastim
8 years ago
Reply to  San Miguel

Forrest!! Can I have a glass of what you’re drinking, he was absolutely pathetic last night, like the majority of the team. No point in beating two- three players if you continuously lose the ball to the fourth/over run the ball/ pass the ball to the opposition/ cross the ball to an empty space/ are scared to take a shot!!

Phaco
8 years ago
Reply to  San Miguel

Do you honestly think Forrest was even remotely a pass mark. Worst f-cking player out there. Hasn’t kicked his own arse for at least two seasons, injuries or not. Hh

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Phaco

Forrest was the best of a horrendous outfield display and to think otherwise makes you think that some people haven’t got a clue.

Curlybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

I absolutely agree, Forrest was the only positive I can take from last Tuesday. He’s was the ONLY threat we had.

marko
8 years ago

I am very disappointed from Malmo game, I honestly thought we were a better team…but 3 goals from corners…just not good enough…I still think we can get there under RD…I am not ready to give up on him just yet…but I think big question marks over some of the players futures at the club….let’s get a good run in the Europa…let’s give the Scottish media the V’s and support the team..and recover from this setback…

Admin
8 years ago
Reply to  marko

Ive got a season book but sorry, Thursday nights against Afghan Waiters XI, fuck that, I’d rather wait on Suits coming on Android TV

San Miguel
8 years ago

Shit should read Johansen seems to be undroppable !!! A plastic hardman if there ever was one .

Admin
8 years ago

There is a train of thought that suggests

FOOTBALLERS ARE FUCKEN IDIOTS

on last nights performance, I would concur!

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Score 3 fucken corners, boot every player in the baws!

Utter shambolic sieve time yet again. Worse is Ronnie and John Kennedy were centre halves…does nobody work on this stuff?

As for performances,
Janko did well and didn’t hide, same for Forrest.
Gordon is probably looking at a sharp exit as too good for us.
Commons is dreaming if he thinks hes European class.
Brown did heehaw, same as Biton.
Boyata yet to impress along with Armstrong.
Johansen is a fan-dancer who only puts the boot in once his team is fucked…coward.
Big Virgil…he looked like he wasn’t giving a fuck unless trying to assign blame at the goal..try organising the defence ya dick and don’t leave main threat totally free.
Wee Leigh huffed and puffed but can contend himself that Ciftci will never be a threat.

8 years ago

Sorry the manager has no tactical awareness no plan b very very poor and I don’t know what they do in training Ronnie can talk a good game but can’t walk the walk too many basic errors too many player’s in work in progress if he thinks Cifti is celtic class and he must he bought him then the future is bleak if that’s the standard we are looking at it will be 4/5 years before we are in CL again

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  drewster

Can someone please tell me what a plan B is ,if they work on Plan A since the last game and can’t get that right what chance have they got with a Plan B??? Too many so called Celtic Fans listening to SSB and BBC sound bites.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Dan The Man

Plan B was played out in Quarabag bud.
One of the surest away performances in Europe for a good few years.
Same System just applied properly by those entrusted to do so.
Against Malmo those very same players under less challenging circumstances could not repeat it.

Why?
That’s down to them to explain..Brown did after the match evidently half the clowns on here did not listen too busy foaming at their ears in a very hunesque sort of way.

bgbhoy
8 years ago

yestim- im pretty sure jock got to the cup winners cup semi final in his first season in europe and was defeated by a disallowed goal against liverpool???????? not once jumped on the ronny bandwagon i only hoped he had kearned from his mistakes, he hasnt and his mistakes have cost the club 40 million in the space of 12 months…. pretty damning if you ask me

Jocsoc
8 years ago

I agree with the general consensus that Mulgrew was a bad selection last night. I’m 72 with a knee replacement and I could run faster than Charlie. In fact I could run faster than most of the rest of the team judging by the pedestrian pace we played at. Two goals down and we’re strolling about like we were in the pre-match warm up. I may be old fashioned tactically but if we had been man marking and had players on the posts, we wouldn’t have lost those two goals. Boyata seems incapable of passing the ball to a team-mate yet he is consistently put in the position where he is given the task of delivering the out ball. It’s been obvious in every game he has played this season and yet the problem has not been addressed. The coaching staff have to carry the can for this. I can’t imagine Johann Mjallby not sorting this out p.d.q. if he were still a member of the management. We are not a million miles away from solid European performances but it remains to be seen if we are actually learning from the mistakes we are making both on and off the field.

Raymobhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Jocsoc

For the first goal i think Janko was at the back post but wasnt tall and quick enough to keep it out.

Monti
8 years ago

Just fucking dejected and disillusioned today no matter how many times I say fuck it, let’s keep motoring on, I still feel the same, shite.
Deila in my opinion has had his chance this year and has blown it big time.
We were rotten last night, utterly rotten, can’t pass, can’t keep the ball. A goalkeeper who doesn’t command his 6 yard box, Boyata is as much of a bombscare as Ambrose, the entire midfield apart from Forrest were posted missing.
Griffiths could easily have seen red for keeping the Malmo player in the bawz.
WTF happened?
We still don’t have a quality left back or a top striker??

Fucking messed this season up again!

10/10 to Scott Brown for saying he was ashamed….most of them including Deila should be.
Identify a quality left back, a replacement for VVD and bring Hooper back.

STOP FUCKING ABOUT CELTIC!

CarlJungleBhoy
8 years ago

It gives me no pleasure to say that I was one of the few on here who’d already resigned myself to a probable exit after last week’s match …

“…I’m usually a glass-half full kinda guy… but I’m really worried we’ve shot ourselves in the foot and have blown our chances. Sorry to be such a misery guts, but, I don’t really see us keeping a clean sheet in Malmo and have serious doubts that we can go through”

We’ve been disappointed so often, I promised myself I’d try not to let my heart rule my head. No that it’s any consolation now, cause it still hurts like hell and โ™ซ Heaven knows I’m miserable nowโ™ซ

In the harsh light of day – despite the fact that we’ve moved on since last year’s shambles against Legia & Maribor -Malmo proved that we’re simply not good enough for the Champions League. And that hurts. Big time.

But is there any point looking for somebody to blame? We can blame Ronny. We can blame the players. We can blame Lawell for doing things on the cheap and not investing enough to ensure CL football. We can even blame Sky for the fact that lots of English clubs with nowhere near our fan base, our stature, our history, get more TV money in 1 year than our entire annual turnover.

The sad fact of life is that entry to the modern day football elite that is the CL, is based on money, money, & more money. Our chances of progressing are therefore hampered by the fact we play in Scotland and – unlike our neighbours at Ibrokes – we believe it’s wrong to break the law in striving for success.

We can bitch as much as we like about the details, but the only philosophy & fiscal policy which makes any sense for us is the road we’re currently on: A “selling club” which attracts (or better still breeds) young players of promise, using that income to finance a slow but steady progression.

Now, there’s no escaping the fact that last night – when it really mattered – we failed miserably. However, all our many faults aside, we did put our ourselves in a position which made CL qualification possible, and IF we’d played as well as we were capable of, we could have gone through. I know. I know. We didn’t, but I don’t see that as a reason to totally condemn Ronny’s approach, because – other than the details -(e.g. a couple more experience players of proven ability) I don’t know any better approach right now of getting to where we want to get to.

Last night, a relatively young & in-experienced team under a relatively young & in-experience coach, had a poor night and failed when the chips were down. That happens. It’s a fact of (football) life. There is no magic potion which guarantees success. For a team of our level & limited resources we need a number of factors to run in our favour and a large slice of luck (an easy draw … a goal given rather than disallowed…) just to make it to the CL proper. And then we need the $ that the CL brings – and a couple of inspired Ghod-given signings .. a Lubo .. Larsson.) to progress and consolidate. It IS possible, but perhaps it was naรฏve of us (& Ronny) to think we were ready to take that step after just >1 year?

Sure, I’m as pissed off and down in the dumps as the rest of you, but maybe there’s any argument that says perhaps the fact that we’ll have to make do with the Europa league, may turn out to be blessing in disguise and that, we do need another year and another (hopefully decent) run on all fronts, to build that team that – next time round – will perform to their full potential.

So, after being glass half empty beforehand, let me be half full afterwards and say.. Onwards and upwards?

8 years ago

Everybody needs to take a chill pill and let the dust settle. Yes we had a bad night, but we are where we are and Ronnie is working on the long term. We have a very young squad who given the right coaching and experience in the Europa competition could turn out to be a very good team, with the majority being Scottish, which is a plus, as I assume would be happy to stay with Celtic.Yes I agree we do need LB, CB and F
One thing I will say, I have always stood up for Griffiths, but in my opinion he should be fined for his conduct last night, that is not Celtic class and should not be condoned in any shape or form.
Lets hope we get a good draw in the Europa and let the work in progress, progress. Faithfull through and throughHH

Stiofan
8 years ago

Faithful through and through, not much sign of faithfulness on this site today. Too many on castigating RD. was a crap team performance and questions should be asked of everyone involved, players, Coaches, manager and board, but FFS don’t spit the dummy out. MSM and the support from all other clubs will love it. Didn’t you mention the other day Ralph the Hugh Keevins called for RD to be sacked if we didn’t qualify for the CL. Now you are echoing him, don’t give him credibility, he doesn’t deserve it. ONCE A TIM. KTF, ring any bells?

CarlJungleBhoy
8 years ago

As my long rant hasn’t appeared yet, let me just say that I agree with everything (and nothing) that’s been said ๐Ÿ™‚

Cartvale88
8 years ago

The point is not the team or the manager it is the lack of investment by Peter Lawell and the board. We were lucky against Qarabag and shocking against Malmo.
Every thing is the cheap option and year after year we transfer out good players. The spine of the team has gone and we bring in Janko, Boyota, Cifcti do you think Strachan ONeil or Lennon would have brought them in. Blame the team, the management all you want, but the parsimony and biscuit tin mentality continues. Since the Stein era the fans have been taken for mugs.

steveo
8 years ago

I think everybody needs a sense of perspective here. Yes it’s disappointing to go out in the manner we did the disallowed goal last night for me was a huge turning point goals change games & that before half time would have totally demoralised them & envigorated us but it didn’t happen.

Compare this year’s performances with last year’s & we’re miles ahead Legia totally pumped us & Maribor out thought us.

The big worry for me is losing 3 goals at set pieces that is unforgiveable to my mind. defending zonally is fraught with danger cos you’re waiting for the ball to land in your area or at least see where it’s going to land. I’d much rather VVD or Boyata took control ala Big Billy and said this is mine I’m going for it & attacked the ball from the off.

Berget – what a player he proved to be was immense last night but that’s what you get good luck to them they were more savvy than us & we need to use the Europa League this year to come up with a plan b & a plan c if need be.

I’ll still be supporting my team this weekend & in the Europa League.

Doc
8 years ago

Deila, at Celtic, has been knockout the CL in the qualifiers as many times as every other Celtic manager combined.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Yet he managed to beat a League defensive record of 96 yeas none of them could manage.

Funny old game fitba.

Doc
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

None of the others had around 5 times the wage budget of the rest of the league.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Doc

What have
Craig Gordon
Charlie Mulgrew
Scott Brown
Stuart Armstrong
Gary Mackay-Steven
Leigh Griffiths
Nadir Ciftci
Anthony Stokes
Got in common?
Answer:They all came to Celtic via SPL teams.
We happen to pay them more money big fucking deal.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

wow!

deadhead67
8 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

it was lennon ,who beat that record in his last season,we were defensivley poor last season,just because your in love with twat,at least get your facts right

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

We conceded 17 goals last season in the league.

Fact.

Doc
8 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Been pointed out to me that the CL qualifiers comment is inaccurate. We’ve been put out by Arsenal, Artmedia, Basel, Braga, Dinamo Zagreb, Legia, Maribor, Malmo and any others I’ve missed.

Geo
8 years ago

Iit’s time for the fans to stand together and tell this fuking board to get their fingers out their arse and invest in a couple of quality players to make the team better .

Dr J
8 years ago
Reply to  Geo

Wow… A lot of feelings based on misstated facts.

No one on the post?
RD knocked out of CL Qualifier as many times as everyone else combined?
Comparing RD’s job to MON’s job as equals?

Off the Bucky…

It comes down to one thing and that’s the SKY/BT money for the EPL. And, it’s not just us. Look where Ajax is going to be playing in Europe this year. We’re all getting slaughtered by the inflated TV money being pumped into the English, Spanish and German leagues. And until either that changes or an owner wants to personally invest, nothing will change for Celtic.

Yes, I read this blog every day.

andybhoy
8 years ago
Reply to  Dr J

I could have sworn that we played a team from Iceland and then Azerbaijain and yeh, pretty sure Malmo are from Sweden.
In fact, we’ve never lost to a Swedish team before .

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  Dr J

Totally agree, maybe we do need to give Sky and BT a kick in the HawMaws to get the ball rolling if you pardon the pun.

Una
8 years ago

For the first time in 4 years the thought of us needing zombie co back came into my thoughts after watching that bile. The best way I could describe what I have witnessed over the past couple of seasons is the scenario of driving a car at 80mph on a motorway and ramming it into reverse. Something has to change very fast and very soon, as for mulgrew his legs are gone if you watch the way he runs he looks like a hobbit along with the rest of them it’s time for a clear out ronny & the johnny’s included.

basqueceltic
8 years ago

Gutted,but not surprised,how many times have we seen a team not turn up???(you know what i mean)But you cant say that about the support.In my oppinion the travelling fans should be re-embersed,simply because not turning up is just not good enough.hail hail and keep the faith.

Corktim
8 years ago

deila has one challenge to overcome each year and that is to qualify for the champions league,failed again,got team selection totally wrong last night i.e mulgrew was afraid to change it then,Janko novice at this level was one of our best players,that says it all,as I have posted on here before after nights like last night,you have to speculate to accumulate,we still haven’t learned our lessons,in the pub last night at the end of the game looking at the distraught faces of the fans that travelled,like the rest of us left down again and it doesn’t look like nights like last night are ever going to stop under the current policies and governance at the club,totally disillusioned today .

bgbhoy
8 years ago

charlie, the defensive record means nothing!!! he lost more games in the league last year than lennon did the year before so the record means fuck all!!!!

if we won every game 4-3 we would have a shite defensive record but we would still be champions!!!! the point is he hasnt or cant learn how to win important games his yime is up. time to go!!!!

wheres deadhead when you need him ๐Ÿ˜‰

deadhead67
8 years ago

Charlie saiz get your facts right, the defensive record was in Lennon,s last season with Ambrose and vvd,since the norweigan diddy arrived we have become a sieve,losing goals to shit teams like hamilton,and playing boring boring crap ,last night were 2 down and still we pass the ball sideways and back to the goalie,looked like we were defending a 2 goal lead,the hal wit in charge was our last and cheapest option,year in the job and he,s learned fuck all,humped by a team that were not half as good as Legia,he must go and before saturday

Gerry
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Charlie was talking about the goals conceded in a season record, you’re referring to the minutes without conceding a goal record.

Charlie Saiz
8 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

Leave him be he’s been talking shite for over a year week in week out and now all of a sudden after a bad loss this clown is the Oracle?
Said it last year and I will say it again Celtic lose two games on the spin nowadays we have arseholes coming out on nowhere absolutely foaming.
Wee dicks who have been spoiled by years of trophy laden success at Celtic.
Some of us have had to live through genuine periods of pish poor Celtic sides.
Where winning 3 games on the trot was cause for a bender.
We have played 11 games this season
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 1

Fuck sakes the Season has hardly got started and we have cunts calling for the Manages head?

Wise up ffs we are no longer a Champions League level outfit.
We don’t think like one, we don’t spend like one and we sure as fuck don’t lose like one.

Morton beat us 1-0 under Lenny
Artmedia put 5 past us under Strachan
St Mirren put 4 past us under Mowbray
Clyde beat us under Strachan

Shite does happen folks deal with it.
Rangers put 5 past us under O’Neill

Dan The Man
8 years ago
Reply to  deadhead67

Yes and we will bring in Roy Kean or The Blessed Martin again or maybe bring back Lennon who is struggling at Bolton . Maybe you would prefer Super Ally I have heard he is available?

elcormaco
8 years ago

For once I ll keep it brief. Last night broke my heart, a team playing that never ever looked in any way like they were going to go and score a goal, defended absolutley terribly for the whole game and showed no desire or fihgt, bar the petulant kind, all fecking night.I had some half hope that after half time ronny might have got into them and we d see a better show, after about 30 seconds wed gifted thenm another corner through casual play and I kneew then we had no chance.

Not saying today Ronnie must go, need some time to reflect, but I wasn never on the bus entirely before and am pressing the bell looking to get off. Four goals conceded in two qualifiers, 3 of which were from corners, and the other one from our corner- inexcusable. We played well for approx 20 muinutes at the start of the first game and nothing since, heart broken.

IAN COSTELLO
8 years ago

I’M FLUCKING WELL PISSED OFF!! FLUCK IT ๐Ÿ™

bgbhoy
8 years ago

some of your politics are mental deadhead but you are 100% spot on there

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