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Celtic Diary Thursday January 29: Boyd Not On Message

As the build up to the League cup semi final continues, its getting harder and harder to escape what is rapidly becoming hysteria. Thankfully, the game is on the BBC, because had it been on sky the coverage would have been insufferable.

Everyones at it. Everyone is trying to find a new angle, a new take on the story, and all they’ve managed to do is go with the “resumption of hostilities ” theme. Which is the idea that this fixture has been away too long, and its great to have it back.

Well, theres an obvious mistake in that theory, as explained by-and only by-former Celtic captain and current Celtic supporter Tom Boyd, who told the Irish Herald ;

I don’t know what most people think but my opinion is that they are a new club,”

“A lot of people believe it’s a continuation of the game, I’d imagine that the atmosphere will be very much the same as previously but you can’t compare the teams to the way that it was. The new Rangers are a Championship team, previously they had internationalists so the game isn’t going to be the same.

“A lot of former players miss the actual match, that fixture was where players were judged and that’s something that is no longer there because of the situation with the new Rangers and the problems they find themselves in.

“There are some Celtic supporters who go along with the continuation opinion, they want that game back, it’s something that they miss. In Scottish football they feel that Celtic need a challenge, that fixture provided it but I can’t see the same with this match on Sunday.” 

I guess he has accepted he won’t get  career in the Scottish media after all.

Boyd is a lone voice though, and the “debate ” he refers to isn’t actually a debate at all, because there isn’t really anything to debate about. The old club is dead, and on sunday we’ll be playing a club which has filled the space left by them. With some clever marketing,although it didn’t really have to be that clever, they have managed to snap up most of the old clubs fanbase.

 Manager Ronny Deila is playing down the hype as well, in much the way we’d hoped he would.

“The club has been through this many times. Many players have been through it too so we know it will be a fantastic atmosphere and a lot of noise, but it’s also going to be a football match and we have to be up for the fight but we also have to get our skills out on the pitch and show quality.

“You never know what lies ahead before you have experienced it but you have to prepare for what you think is going to happen.

“It’s going to be a fantastic moment but it’s about the performances. If we can give a good one it will be even better. 

“You know a big game is coming and since the draw was made people have  been talking it and now it’s here. We have done the same things we do all the time, we’ve trained in the same way and believed in the same things we’re doing.

“In the cup everything is possible and it’s just one game. Everybody is dreaming of a fantastic result but the only thing I’m dreaming of is to win and that’s what is in the players’ minds as well because we want to play the final here.

“That’s the only thing that’s in my head. Nothing in football is easy.” 

 “You get trust through performances and results. You have to build trust and you do that by winning.

“If we win, everyone will be more connected. That’s the target, the goal and that’s what’s fantastic about football.”  

Not only did he not mention the Old Firm, the resumption of hostilities or the new club/old club nonsense, he couldn’t even be bothered mentioning their name.

 You gotta love the guy.

( Note, the author reserves the right to change his mind if things go awry on Sunday )

There are still those who trumpet the Ibrox cause , though, including the partisan Matt Lindsay, who is still a full time journalist despite showing a level of insight and accuracy that belongs only in in house magazines, or those wee flyers you get from the Co-op telling you whats on sale this week.

 Writing in the Evening Times, Matt tells us;

OF all the criticisms levelled at Ally McCoist during his turbulent reign as Rangers manager, his reluctance to gamble on youth sparked a firestorm of debate. 

Never mind that Lewis Macleod broke into the Gers first team as a raw laddie of just 18 and went from strength to strength under the guidance of McCoist.   

 Guidance of McCoist ? Now theres an interesting turn of phrase.

No, the fact that the likes of Kris Boyd, Jon Daly, Lee McCulloch and Kenny Miller were regular starters was proof, many fans felt, that he relied too much on older players.

But Kenny McDowall, who took over as caretaker boss after his friend resigned last month, is grateful those aforementioned thirtysomethings are in his squad just now.

For McDowall believes those senior citizens could be the key to victory in the massive League Cup semi-final encounter with Celtic at Hampden on Sunday.  

 The two of them presumably sat down and desperately tried to come up with something for the Ibrox hordes to pin their hopes on. If thats the best they can do…..

laughter

 Want to make a few quid ?

 Have a look at the individual odds on players to get booked. Ian Black, Lee MCulloch, Kenny Miller, are all certs to pick up a card, as are Scott Brown and Stefan Johansen. In fact, you can get odds on the players picking up any card. Now that Bobby Madden has been excused duty from the game, Craig Thompson is the man in the middle, and he awarded us a penalty at Ibrox once, so he won’t be afraid of the hordes.

 The police have apparently been down to speak to Celtic players about keeping the head, and have even warned the team about over celebrating. Its not known if they’ve been over to speak to the Second Rangers players , but to be honest, its unlikely that we need to worry about them over celebrating, unless they get a throw in or something.

 Supporters, too , are being warned. Flags will be examined, songs will be listened to and even shouting at your mate could get you lifted. With the Offensive Behaviour Act coming under criticism for being unworkable and ridiculous, the police, with the backing of the Scottish parliament , will be out to impress on Sunday. From 1,30 they will be hanging around Hampden to make sure that no-one will say, do or even think anything unpleasant about rival fans , and yet surprisingly, theres been no warnings about drinking excessively.

 Which, given the kick off time, would be my first concern if i were Police controller on the day.

 It also appears that those “rookie ” police officers who have never been on duty at a Glasgow derby will be taught the offensive songs that they may hear on Sunday, in order to arrest anyone who might have offended them, by er, singing a song they had previously not heard.

 Seeing as how most of them probably already sing some of the banned songs  down the lodge, we can only imagine that somewhere in Glasgow, several police officers are sitting in a room singing the Decommision Song, or the Helicopter Song.

I hope they make this one sing it loud.

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 They might even be singing the officially banned “Ibrox Disaster Song ” , which I’ve never heard at a game, though I am assured it does exist, and I can honestly say I’ve never sung, which to my mind makes me wonder if they are just coming up with these ditties so that each side can be as bad as the other.

 “Offensive” songs , by definition, offend someone, and the entire Celtic supporters catalogue contains only a very few that can be deemed as such, mostly add ons, in fact,  as most Celtic songs are about celebration or commemoration.

 On the other hand, the sounds you will hear from the other lot are almost exclusively anti-Irish or anti Catholic, which again points to an official line of “they are both as bad as each other ” , presumably in order to avert the worlds gaze from the bile that will be heard from the stands.

 Anyone still looking forward to the game ?

 Stewart Regan might be. He’s touting Campbell Ogilvie for a top job at UEFA, which is not entirely surprising. I’d want him out before the police seize all the emails as well. But , as ever, he’s a little deluded as to not only Ogilvies capabilities, but also his past;

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 Actually, anyone who does get lifted at the game should get Stewart Regan to defend them. He’ll believe anything you tell him and valiantly support you. If I was at school with him I’d have had his dinner money every day. And his trainers.

 I’ll be glad when every last trace of that club is gone, and when finally someone starts to ask the Murray men exactly what they were up to when they ended up half a billion in debt,money which the taxpayer will have to repay.

 And onto the transfer window.

Peter Lawwell has started to get a little bit of criticism from a section of the support who have reminded him that theres less than a week left of the window, and we haven’t strengthened the squad yet. With two central defenders almost certainly away in the summer, surely now is the time to get replacements in so they can get settled in time for the Champions League qualifiers ?

 Its like watching the same film on a continuous loop. But a very poor and predictable film. One that makes you say “is that it ? ” when it finishes.

We are ready to “swoop ” for Charis Mavrias, a winger at Sunderland on loan, we are looking at a young Argentinian striker at Boca Juniors, Sergio Aruajo, but theres no sign of any defenders. Someone needs to get his finger out, because although the Glasgow derby is taking attention way for the support, it should not be distracting the scouts.

Or anyone else at the club, for that matter.

 On Tuesday we showed a picture taken at Celtics 2-2 draw with Wisla Krakow, today its a picture of a reserve game. Note the size of the crowd, and tell us why its so big.

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 And because events overtook me yesterday, and I didn’t have a chance to do the Diary, heres a bonus caption competition, whats the Big Man saying to Herrera ?

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moickel
9 years ago

‘Naw, we’re sitting there!’

Brad
9 years ago

the 2 Brazilian trialists on show

jim orourke
9 years ago

We were given home dugout and Herrera tried to take it and the late great jock told him to get out in his own dynamic way.

9 years ago

Tommy Boyd is spot on ! “serco” are new team go into UEFA listing and find they are three year old with two trophies. End of story.!

Admin
9 years ago

Wouldnt it be a liberty if Rangers players suddenly had the choice of

A: Play against Celtic and face an insecure future
B: Leave for England for a secure future

Well big Mike needs feeding somehow lads..who will it be next..

BTW..Im still laughing at the reporter who said Kris Boyd knows what this fixture is all about!

andybhoy
9 years ago

Hey Helenio , vuoi sentire l’odore del curry ho avuto ieri sera ?

Bongo
9 years ago

If anyone knows or bumps into Tom Boyd – shake his hand, pat him on the back and offer to buy him a drink. Someone with integrity – thank you Tom Boyd

9 years ago

Big Jock see this hand well your baw bag is gonny feel the full force if we dont get the proper dug oot

Celtic125
9 years ago

It’s snow looking good. Will it be a leveller? Are we ready to do battle? Wae shitebags as Generals and a support, in the main, desperate to replay its part in true WWF fashion as an abberation of the victimhood default role; what are the f**king chances? Only Ronnie can save us now.

holy sea
9 years ago

Jock,” You might have your Italian Mafia on your side,but I’ve got the greatest support and the Pope on mine “

Steve Naive
9 years ago

Herrere…’We will win by scoring early then defending catenaccio style’

Jock…’No you won’t , we will win by playing football, pure,beautiful,inventive football’

The Green Destiny
9 years ago

“Should have gone to Slater’s, wee man.”

Mick67
9 years ago

‘YOU’RE BOYS TOOK A HEEEELLL OF A BEATING!”

ChrisBhoy
9 years ago

You can,t educate Pork. No matter how many times we tell this lot who and what they are they refuse to listen or if they listen dont, get it through their thick skulls
The Huns are not the Blazers in the Blue Room. They are not the MSM. They are not even Mike Ashley (who now owns all their hooses)
The HUNS are those Zombies who infect the terraces every week and on Sunday will be opposite us spewing out their hatred and bile.The only way to shut them up and make them think (for a wee while anyway)is to give them a severe stuffing on the pitch and hope we never have to see them in the same ground as us again

tom o'neill
9 years ago

Sorry Ralph. Can’t agree with your ‘thankfully game is on BBC and not Sky’.
We should never forget that it was the BBC’s kick the nuts out of it, relentless replaying of the McCoist/Lennon handbags at forty paces spat, that panicked politicians into the ‘we must be seen to something’ mode, culminating in the passing of the despised Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

9 years ago
Reply to  tom o'neill

Good call. Wish it was just on the radio. Oh wait…

9 years ago
Reply to  Ralph malph

Ralph

I’m watching Radio 5 – no BBC or Sky

Hope to be back on board next week. Had family bereavement so many disruptions. Have been reading ETims for distraction and some great diaries and fantastic comments this week. Thanks to all.

H H

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  pensionerbhoy

Take care,Pensionerbhoy. Hail Hail m8

Gerry
9 years ago

Andy Murray sets up a wonderful Sunday for this armchair fan, wouldn’t be near Hampden if offered a ticket anyway, and obviously a trip to Oz is out.
A trophy and then a tanking please, not too much to ask?!

Raymobhoy
9 years ago

Big Jock saying “GIRUY”.

With the transfer window shutting the day after the semi-final, does anyone think that Lawwell might try and sell a few players after the game?

elcormaco
9 years ago

“oo, coglione, vattene dalla panchina” (hey, bawbag, beat it from our dugout)

Good man Andy Murray – fucked my Saturday night bevy right enough – will have to be up early with a fry on Sunday morning to cheer him and then the Hoops, hopefully a nice wee final win followed by a nice semi final win, all on the settee – if I could get a ticket for Sunday I would not want it.

When to open the first bevy though?

So is this list of songs police are listening for being shared with fans, or are they to guess what ditties may offend our sensitive opponents and police officers ears? It is an absolute farce at this point.

If people are lifted for example signing “You’re not rangers any more” can this be prosecuted? Its been song across Scotland for several years by fans of any team playing 2nd Rangers (and is factually accurate) – will it only be offensive if sung by Celtic fans? Och I m working myself up into a fankle, worrying about shitey pitch, dodgy refs, honest mistakes and fans getting lifted for getting it right up them.

If everything goes as it should, we can look back on Monday to a comfortable win, a trip back to Hampden for the final, a laugh at the tifo & chants from the Celtic end, some laughs from close ups cameras provide of greeting bears heading for the exits before half time and some commendation for the sporting sense of humour Celtic fans displayed and some condemnation for the sectarian chanting from the other end. (I know the last one wont happen but I can dream)

My hope is that those Celtic fans going to the game behave impeccably as they know police & media will be desperate to roll out the “as bad as each other” shite, and I m sure if we do the business on the pitch 2nd rangers fans wont be able to contain themselves off it, so showing themselves up to the wider world for what they are.

Also hope everyone – on both sides – gets to and from the game in safety and that when front doors are closed across the west of Scotland on Sunday evening the game is left outside and not brought in to homes to have repercussions on wives and girlfriends – it really is only a game

Morto
9 years ago

Is big Jock saying, “and I’ll have your dinner money and those shoes anaw”.

deadhead67
9 years ago

The reporter should have said the the orange bigot thompson is the huns best chance

Kwool
9 years ago

Herrara, Prendi il cazzo di mio rifugio

holy sea
9 years ago

Ritchie,good to see you back on your old stomping ground.Missed your diary yesterday.
Your labour of love,is very much appreciated by all readers and contributors.
Are the Zombies still tweeting you ?
I don’t interact with these thick and humourless cretins.Tom Boyd will get the ‘treatment’ somewhere.You can’t reason with scrum like them.
Sunday is a day,for Celtic to put them back in their box.Or,to be more precise,their coffin!

MBJ1972
9 years ago

God bless Tommy Boyd but I also like how Delia doesn’t refer to them. As for convincing them of who they are now, reminds me of this quote ….

“Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”

Brian Glover
9 years ago

‘That’s yer taxi…’

Doc
9 years ago

‘Ibrox disaster song’ – the daily record have gone too far this time. Having never, ever, heard of this being sung by Celtic fans, I done a search on google which produced results either from the record story or from rangers fan forums (a few single users claiming to have heard us sing it along with Hillsborough and Munich disaster songs) and tribute songs. Nothing on Celtic sites or of Celtic games on youtube.

I believe the record are trying to stir up trouble, as if it were required, and their article has no basis in reality. If I were Peter Lawwell, I would give the record a brief period to produce evidence this is sung by Celtic fans at games, bear in mind all our games are broadcast, and when they cannot, I would ban every record journalist from Celtic games. The actions by this, supposedly impartial, newspaper are wholely unacceptable.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Doc,
There is an ‘Ibrox Disaster’ song.Never has it been sung by fans,at ANY football songs.Celtic fans wouldn’t allow fellow fans to sing such a ‘sick’ song.I first heard it,by a drunk ned on a supporters bus,and he was told to shut up.This was in 1979.I have heard it,on away supporters buses,over the years,but whoever starts to sing it,is quickly told,to shut it.
We don’t ever want resort to scum songs,like the Huns,and their new age friends,the Zombies.

Doc
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

I work with some properly bitter huns and not one had heard us sing this. One of them said Aberdeen sang it the same as a song about ian durrant (not the ‘arse for rent’ song) but that was it.

Celtic are a PLC and the board have legal a responsibilty to protect the reputation and goodwill of the club. The article and, maybe, police briefing are a disgrace and I think Celtic should be all over this. Celtic should challenge the record and, maybe, the police to show that this is fact based.

The ‘both sides are just as bad’ is driven by rubbish like this and is encouraged by us doing nothing. Whats next? Briefings to watch out for Council workers to prevent State Aid? Lookouts for the Luftwaffe every time the floodlights are on?

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Doc,
Just let’s do them on the park on Sunday.
That will put their gas at a peep.I don’t think their good enough,to get up next season.Thank God.
Our club should be proactive,with the media,police and Celtic fans not being able to ‘celebrate’.They want the game over and done with.As do the majority of fans.Leave them to their minor league m8.

Doc
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

The board were quick to respond to the ‘thugs and thieves’ lies about the players, why can’t they respond to lies about fans?

Doing nothing only emboldens them to write more lies. Stuff like this, the Dens Park riot or rampage in Amsterdam ruins the reputation of the rans and could lead to, in the long run, discrimination and justification of severe treatment, like kettling fans, all based on pure lies.

andybhoy
9 years ago

Yeh HS, It went to the tune of Snoopy v the Red Baron but there was Celtic supporter and folk singer called Matt McGinn who wrote and performed a tribute to the 66.

The Ibrox Disaster

New Year Bells had been ringing,
All of Scotland was singing,
The old year had died,
And the new had been born.
As the news of disaster
From Ibrox came spreading,
The news that would cause
A whole nation to mourn

Two great goals had been scored,
In the last dying moments.
Jimmy Johnstone for Celtic,
For Rangers’ young Stein.
Their supporters all cheered them,
With voices of thunder,
Unknowing what waited on staircase 13

66 people died
Some in flower of their manhood,
When the fences gave way
And the barriers bent,
Seasoned Glasgow policemen their faces all tearstained,
With brave efforts, endeavoured far worse to prevent.
All of Glasgow enjoined,
For the first time in history.
In the Glasgow cathedral no Billys, no Dans
But the Old Firm united to pray for their victims,
Of a tragedy set in the memory of man.

New Year Bells had been ringing,
All of Scotland was singing,
The old year had died,
And the new had been born.
As the news of disaster
From Ibrox came spreading,
The news that would cause
A whole nation to mourn.

holy sea
9 years ago

Thanks,Andybhoy.
You are always a fountain of knowledge.
I am sure I heard this song,in an old Gorbals pub,the Blarney Stone.As you know,the pub is no longer their.
Cheers m8.

Monti
9 years ago

Craig Whyte’s 44th Birthday on Sunday lol, I think Peter Lawwell should invite him to Hampden!

Una
9 years ago
holy sea
9 years ago

Una,
They ALL know it’s not the same club.
But,the HURT,is too much for them,so they live
‘ THE LIE ‘

Monti
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

DEEEEEEED 🙂

Tony
9 years ago

Dont post on here often but feel compelled to now. I have never in all my years heard a Celtic fan sing about that awful day at Ibrox.The fucking retard can say what it wants to boost thier flagging sales it is a rag, nothing more. Lets skull fuck this mob on Sunday and move on

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago
Reply to  Tony

As first posts go that will do nicely Tony.
5 will do me but 8 would be lovely.

Devoy45
9 years ago

I too have never heard that Ibrox song—anywhere. No Tim I know would ever sing it. Part of being a Celtic fan is to let our rivals get on with that kind of thing—one thing they do better than us. For most human beings, the death of one million people from starvation is not a rejoicing matter either.

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