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Peter Lawwell’s Downsizing Of Celtic Gathers Pace

Controversial subject header, eh? Um , not really unless of course you’ve been brainwashed to such an extent by the Celtic PLC and their lackey’s that you’ve been programmed to no longer think for yourself

Two seasons ago thanks to some outstanding scouting and managerial decisions, Neil Lennon created a team that managed to beat a Barcelona team 2-1 at Celtic Park in the Champions League group stages.

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At the time Barca were widely regarded as the best team on the planet and a very good case was being made for them also being the best club side of all time. Aye, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alexis, Alves, Pedro, Valdes and co were not a bad wee team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20150451

Lennon used his own knowledge of the English leagues to bring in over a relatively short period of time Joe Ledley, Gary Hooper, Kelvin Wilson, Adam Matthews and Kris Commons. His assistant coach at the time Alan Thompson’s contacts to purchase Fraser Forster and scouting chief John Park to sign Victor Wanyama, Beram Kayal, Mikael Lustig and Efe Ambrose.


On paper Ledley was the pick of the bunch and it was something of a surprise when Lennon managed to convince him to sign on a Bosman for Celtic with Roma among other actively chasing the Welsh midfielder’s signature. One of the keys to signing a player of Ledley’s quality was the club willing to pay the player a reputed £25k per week. A cracking player was signed and Ledley would go on to play a pivotal role in the success of the Celtic team against some top quality European opposition.


Of all the players, Ledley is the one who in my view is the best example to describe why the team has downsized dramatically in front of our eyes particularly over the past few months.


Ronny Deila has now been quoted as saying Celtic can pay a decent transfer fee (it’s all relative I suppose after years of working with buttons to spend in the Norwegian league) but the crux in his eyes is the club cannot pay the wages required to seal the transfer. One of the reasons quoted by Deila is it would cause disharmony with the current group of players. This comment puzzled me. Are Celtic alone in teams with such a large fanbase (and balance sheet) in refusing to upset employees because someone better is getting paid more? Will Jonny Evans be thumping Van Gaal’s door at Man Utd demanding to be paid the same as Di Maria or he’ll go in a cream puff? Did Chris Sutton demand that Martin O’Neill paid him the same as Henrik Larsson or he would refuse to play? Does Charlie Mulgrew demand to be paid the same as Scott Brown or he’ll threaten to cut off his quiff?


Of course not.


It’s nothing more than an excuse. It’s clear Lawwell has set the wage parameters within which the manager will work and has limited this to such an extent it’s proving extremely difficult to purchase any new quality players and proving damn nigh impossible to retain those who are performing exceptionally well.


It’s crazy economics watching a team disintegrate before your eyes while there’s a healthy cash amount residing in the bank not being used due to a wage ceiling or..in some cases being utilised even more crazily by signing players last summer in Balde, Pukki and Boerrigter for circa £5m and combined wages of around £30k per week when we could have signed one quality player with that money!


It bloody defies belief.


You’ll be reassured to know I’m no economist and don’t know my Dow Jones from my Sammy Dows but.common sense tells us the current approach of working around a salary limit but still signing players (even on loan) with the combined wages of one quality player is the cause of most of our problems at present.


Those running Celtic can hide their heads in the sand while transfer fees and wages increase or can take a step back and reflect on the current strategy and think, you know what, we must change our approach for the continued success of Celtic.


Before the tub thumpers contact Anne Robinson at Points of View and demand my head on a plate, I’m not suggesting the crazy economics of Leeds Utd and Rangers (Rest in Peace). What I am suggesting is logic prevails and the club use a great big dollop of common sense when dealing with player salaries. If we sign two or three top class players then pay them £25-30k per week and retain the others within a sensible and manageable pay structure. Don’t buy three average players for a total of £5m and £30k per week. Spend it on one very good player when your return on the football field has a better chance of success than the choice of getting rid of three players without a penny back in return.


Celtic has now missed out on around £20m by not investing a single penny in transfer fees this summer. Having had the greatest slice of luck imaginable this summer when Legia fielder an ineligible player and allowed us two cracks at the Champions League, it’s culpable bad management on Peter Lawwell’s behalf to deny Ronny Deila an opportunity to bring in any quality players to play a style of football that requires pace and movement.


After last night’s game thousands of supporters sang within the stadium; “Lawwell, Lawwell get to fcuk!!” and there was a later protest involving a couple of hundred fans outside the main entrance to Celtic Park also demanding he leave the club. I’m not quite at that stage but if he as Chief Executive doesn’t change the signing/wage strategy and stand up to Dermot Desmond (if that’s the problem) then it won’t be long before me and many other supporters join the throng also wanting Peter Lawwell removed from the club.

– Hector Bandido

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deadhead67
9 years ago

Lawells time was up years ago
the appointment of a fourth rate nobody as a manager must surely be the last straw
if things dont change we will be down to less than 20,000
season book holders next season,and the finances will be fooked and the on field product will be even worse than it is now

charlie
9 years ago

peter could begin to redeem himself by giving res 12 an airing on the bbc on friday just to get the zombies ragin ha ha

Monti
9 years ago

Excellent article and covers just about everything I feel about those running our club.
Sick and tired hearing folk praise Lawwell for how he runs the club while the side declines alarmingly.
Celtic fans deserve better, it’s that simple.
We have 2 billionaires on the board, so spend the money then.
Don’t spend recklessly, just enough to make Celtic a great team, not a good team, a great one!

Ronny Deila?
He doesn’t have a clue and won’t last until Christmas.
He doesn’t play our most creative player, Commons.
That should be enough for everyone to make their minds up.
I want Lawwell, Deila & Collins to go…today.
We are a shambolic club on and off the park.
Totally Psssssd off!

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Monti

A good one would do me.

Champagneblade
9 years ago

I’m a Sheffield United fan but look out for Celtic.

We went through a similar phase. Selling players because the money was too good. Out went the likes of Kyle Walker and Kyle Naughton, despite both being right back. In came loans, to the point our relegation to League One was put down to too many loans.

I see the same unfolding at Celtic Park.

Forster out for 10m, Gordon in for 0
Van Dijk out for 8m, Deneyer in on loan
Commons out for 5m, Mubarak in on loan
Watt out for 1.2m, Tonev in on loan

Two of those have yet to happen but it’s not unfathomable.

But it goes much deeper. Look at the Celtic squad. Once Mubarak signs up, there will be 40 players on the website plus Scepovic (sp) also lined up. If you carry so much fat then how can you do anything but dilute the quality?

If the likes of Rogic and Irvine are bit making the squad now, move them on. If you really want the likes of Henderson and McGeough to kick on then you can’t be keeping the likes of Kayal.

If anything the last 4 games have also shown Celtic lack potency up front. So why retain all of Stokes, Pukki, Balde, Griffiths, Fridjonsson and Atajic? The latter did nothing at Shrewsbury. Certainly carrying 30 pros and not 40 and loaning say 5 young guys out leaves more than enough, but simple maths dictates you could offer more lucrative contracts if Celtic got more ruthless with the current roster.

Hector
9 years ago
Reply to  Champagneblade

A lot of good points there. The clubs policy of having so many players but all under a salary limit is part of my concern. Streamline the squad but bring in 2 or 3 very good players and pay them £30k per week. It can be and should be done.

9 years ago

If Ronny really thinks along those lines that paying individual players different degrees of wages based on their ability would cause disharmony within the changing room then that totally convinces me that he is just Lawells puppet, every top tier team in world football pays players wages according to their skills, ability, importance within the team, that’s Been the model for years, some have wage caps, but not many. CELTIC under Oneil bought more expensive players and paid higher wages than now, that was 14 years ago, I bet their isn’t another club in top flight football that cannot afford to pay the same wages they payed14 years ago, that alone is shambolic, if that doesn’t tell us that the major shareholders and current board have taken us all for a ride then nothing does..SUPPORT THE HOOPS, SACK THE SUITS…KTF

TheProvocativeH
9 years ago

The supreme contradiction in the big wages/dressing room disharmony is of course the salary and bonus received by the CEO. It’s not clear this policy is effective at board room level. Tone at the top is not consistent.

yarray
9 years ago

I agree with u in most instances. But Mulgrew? If u look closely at the 2 Maribor games he was involved in both goals. the 1st game he was out of position. He has NO foot speed at all and his quickness/agility are non existent. A good defender would have been able to cut off the second goal before the attacker got there. Watch how many times he gets caught flat footed and sticks out a leg to try and intercept the ball rather then moving his feet. He should only play in the back line where every thing is in front of him. To his salary, he is vastly overpaid (no matter what he is getting).I do agree with you on Ledley. If we still had him he would have tracked back and probably cut off both of the passes Maribor scored on. Ledley was the saving grace sooo many times for us by always tracking back and defending. Also most of our players have terrible feet. Look how many times a pass hit our players feet and caroms away. McGregor, Van Dijk, Denayer are 3 of the very few who have the skill. Also, Mulgrew gets caught way to many times with his feet much wider than his shoulders which means you can’t move quickly. Look at the top players. They hardly ever get caught in that position. Again I want to mention, we have no defensive coach with Celtic. Kennedy may have been a defender but his career was very short (very little experience) And his coaching career has been with youngsters. Last year we had McGrain and Mjallby. How many clean sheets this year with the same players? NOT many. We need someone to organize and train the back line.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  yarray

ambrose got sent off because mulgrew cannae trap a ball. he was told to fuck off years ago because he wasn’t good enough. celtic have degenerated to his level

Scoobs
9 years ago
Reply to  yarray

Mulgrew is a below-everage left back thet regularly gets a game in our midfield for some ridiculous reason.
Mind you, Johansen made him look ok on tuesday night…

Maniche
9 years ago

I was talking to a couple of friends earlier about the pots for the UCL draw and 2 things struck me:‎
FC Basle (POT TWO!!)‎
Olympiacos.‎

These 2 compete in relatively small leagues like ourselves yet are almost annual stalwarts of the group ‎phase. They do not pay massive transfer fees yet seem source talent and move it on seamlessly. Why ‎can’t we? We are allegedly a massive club with a wealth if resources but we are shown up by how ‎these 2 operate. In recent years Basle has turned over Chelsea home and away. What’s the secret? ‎We need some of that and trust me it certainly will cost less than the fannies we spunked £6m on last ‎year! ‎

Terry Stinson
9 years ago

Can Lawell authorise transfers, budgets & wages? As a chief executive officer he can make suggestions. I doubt he would have any voting power when it gets to board of directors. I appreciate Lawell is face of club in current role, I think his decision making powers would be very limited though. Another chief executive would have the same board of directors to deal with & I’m not sure replacing Lawell would have any impact.

Maurive McKendrik
9 years ago

Lawwell trully culpable….but would it not have been possible for Deila to look like less of a tosser by at least putting players in their correct positions. Could he not have experimented in other games and kept it conservative. We had the players to beat Legia – if the strategy had been anything but a fooked up, backroom chalk board – or beer mat scrawled – attempt to get his statue beside Jinky due to his coaching prowess. I bet Collins has fuckin laughed his rocks off during this as he, misguidedly may believe that, he might take over. His management skill is non-existant.
Screwing up massively against Barca or Real or PSG might have been on the cards but the right positions for the right players that we currently have would have seen us through against Legia and Maribor no worries. Telling me either of those teams had better players than Commons, Mathews, VVD, wee Greggy, Kayal, Bitton, Lustig or Johansen ?? Naw – this Deila is as big a turd as the man that hired him

Maurive McKendrik
9 years ago

Add Izzy to that

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

izzy coulnae tackle a fish supper.

PUNT

Charlie Saiz
9 years ago

Kris Commons has scored 4 goals in 32 European Matches 3 of which were in open play.
Callum McGregor already has 3 in 6 games from open play.
Where do folk get this idea Commons is a game changer in Europe?
He’s been mediocre at best this Season.
The problemwe have at the minute is no quality in the box and a team who created enough to win both legs but failed to put the ball in the net.
McGregor hit the bar
Efe put a header by the post
Van Dijk put the best chance of the match down the keepers throat from 3 yards
Commons never even hit the target with 2 efforts.

The problem lies with not buying the quality needed in attack at this level.
Stokes Pukki Griffiths Balde are simply not good enough for Europe.
Finnbogason was and is he was on £12.5k a week at Heerenveen when PL Bulked at the price.
We then spent more than that on Pukki Balde and Boerrigter combined.

False economy.

andy bhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

The problems are all over the park, due to an inept nobody masquerading as a manager.

Southside Tarrier
9 years ago

I agree with most of your opinions. But let’s be honest, even if we paid tens of millions to a top class player and offered him top wages, who would want to play against Ross County,Inverness etc. in front of crowds of around 6 or 7 thousand or so. We are caught in the situation of a big club stuck in a stagnating football set up.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

fuck off

jimmybee
9 years ago

Top class players? not one top class player would be associated with scottish football. That is why the club is down sizing if you cant see that i dont know what planet your on. We have to buy 4 or 5 for a million or so in the hope that we get a good one out of them with a good sell on price this is where we are at stop kidding yourselfs on we could attract a top player we cant. The players mentioned above also had a half decent league to play in and 4 old firm games to look forward too when the eyes of the world tuned in to watch, now nothing not even hearts or hibs to play.
Stop blaming the board the league is fucked we are not good enough for europa league at the minute never mind the champions league. Yes its painfull but we are here not through our boards fault but because of the state of our league.
Stop moaning and back the team for the rest of the season win lose or draw we will follow you. Hail Hail.

Dom
9 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

Jimmybee – you are mistaken! Of course we are not going to attract the world’s top players but we can attract players in the £4-£5m bracket instead of several duds in the £1.5-£2m bracket. Lawwell is turning his back on Champions League football and serving up only SPL for the fans with the worst performing Celtic Team I have seen under the worst manager. he is dumbing down everything and the club is going backwards under his destructive stewardship.

9 years ago
Reply to  Dom

sorry, but a reality check is needed here.
I reckon we need 4 or 5 good / decent players to get us back to where we were. This will cost us about £15 – £20 million and would mean we had used up all our cash reserves. The wages for these players would be approximately £80,000 a week in total, £4 million a year. Add this to the rest of the wages / running costs and we’d be running at a loss every year, unless we were guaranteed CL group stages each year. Scottish football does not generate enough money to maintain this level of spending.
We are in a league that has no sponsor for the second year in a row.
I’m not sure who sponsors the cups, but I’m sure we get little or no money from this.
TV money is next to nothing.
If rangers2 don’t get promoted this season, the tv deal will be cut / terminated.
We need to get behind the club, accept that it’ll be e rocky ride and hope that the new strategy bears fruit.
The Basles, Olimpiacos of this world got where they are not by buying star players but by building a team that played to a specific style – that’s what Deila’s trying to do – it’s going dreadfully just now, but we need to back the philosophy

Southside Tarrier
9 years ago

You have more or less repeated what I said.
I’ve always supported my team and always will.

hotshot
9 years ago

yarray

Charlie Mulgrew is special. He has no right foot at all but still manages to play football. Charlie follows the rule of the road, keep left, contrast that with Lubo who had exceptional football feet, how the mighty have fallen indeed.

yarray
9 years ago
Reply to  hotshot

Just the opposite of Stokes who drives on the right side of the road. Maybe we could duct tape them together and get away using them as one player.

Dom
9 years ago

This article beautifully summarises how Lawwell operates and his real agenda. I never thought I would see this at Celtic but his day will come when more and more fans turn on him for bleeding the club dry of talent and fielding a pub side instead. Lawwell needs to understand that the club is nothing without its supporters and the board cannot survive without the support of the fans. Fans deserve the best that money can buy but he has created an environment of low price flops that are embarrassing to watch while stockpiling cash from the sale of our talent. What does it profit a club to have money in the bank but no quality on the pitch?

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

does downsizing mean we pay less to get in

corktim
9 years ago
Reply to  fredcdobbs

NO WE HAVE TO PAY MORE SO LAWELLL GETS HIS BONUS

Aldo
9 years ago

Delia needs time….lawells had his…..lawell out….GB back….its oor club no his

killarney
9 years ago

brilliant comment!one that should be put to Lawwell and co.at the next agm!

London celtic
9 years ago

I don’t support this board I support celtic, the board are just passing through. I will continue to support and love my team always. My only worry is how much damage will be done while these incompetent individuals are in there position.

Aldo
9 years ago
Reply to  London celtic

Echo they thoughts exactly mate. Change at the top before too much damage is done. No investment just as bad as spending silly money. Don’t need to be finance expert to know that

Buckie1967
9 years ago

DERMOT DESMOND is the man at fault not lawwell he is just a puppet do u honestly think that lawwell would hold any money back without his say so, no chance he is the pied piper in all this he plays the tune and everyone dances to it it’s a bit like Murray he was at fault with everything that happened to them but is he getting the blame no chance because he had his fall guy in white & DERMOT has lawwell.

yarray
9 years ago
Reply to  Buckie1967

True!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iTim
9 years ago
Reply to  Buckie1967

Spot on.

Nothing will change until Desmond goes. We have replaced one biscuit tin with another.

The only way we will achieve the potential of our massive worldwide fanbase is if the SUPPORTERS own Celtic, as they do at Barca.

Dom The Bomb
9 years ago

Hey Neil – how about we sign Balde, Pukki and Boerrigter?

Eh no thanks. We’d just be taking a punt and they are no better than what we have. Instead we’ll develop what we have here.

Explain Peter Lawwell’s possible motivation for downsizing Celtic and we’ll listen.

BTW – deadhead67 you really are a poor soul. I’ll say a prayer for you tonight.

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