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Celtic Diary Tuesday August 12: World Cup Star At Celtic Park ? Pt2

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Great at set pieces !

But we do have an exclusive photograph !

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Laughter, they say , is the best medicine. Unless you’ve got something wrong with you. Then its just a failure to fully understand the problem.

Alexander Tonev joined the Hoops yesterday on a season long loan, with an option to buy for £1.25m. Celtic will pay all of his wages in the meantime, and although he turned us down last year for the bright lights of Birmingham, he’s here now, and I suppose thats what matters.

He spoke to the official website;

“Joining Celtic is unbelievable, and I feel really good about it,” he said. “I’m delighted to have joined the club and I can’t wait to meet up with my new team-mates and start playing for Celtic.

“I already knew all about Celtic. Everybody in Bulgaria knows Celtic. I spoke to Stiliyan Petrov yesterday and he was very happy for me. He wished me good luck and I hope I can do as well for Celtic as Stiliyan did.

“I’m an attacking player, and usually play on the left side of the park, and I like to create and score goals.” 

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 Yes, he looks absolutely delighted , in this picture taken at Ross Hall yesterday.

 Ronny Deila said he was pleased with his latest new recruit;

 “Aleksandar’s a very quick player and he has two good feet which he can shoot with.

“He has scored a lot of goals during his time at Lech Poznan and I think he can help bring the club forward with his qualities. We can also make him better.” 

Deila is on record as saying he doesn’t see the point in developing other teams players. So, can we assume he wants to keep this one ?

A second loan signing -this time with no option to buy-arrived last night as well. 19 year old Belgian centre half Jason Denayer has decided to throw his lot in with the hoops for a year as he has little chance of breaking into the Manchester City first team.

Well, not yet, anyway. Heres what they said about him on their website

In his short time at City, Belgian centre half Jason Denayer has proved himself to be a classy operator on the ball and an excellent reader of the game at the heart of the back four.

The 19-year old struck up an excellent partnership with Shay Facey in defence throughout the 2013/14 season as the boy Blues went deep in four competitions at home and abroad.

He scored his first goal for the club in the 6-0 UEFA Youth League win over Bayern Munich at the start of October and continued to shine throughout the season, earning himself opportunities to train with the first-team at Carrington.

A Belgian youth international, the ambitious Denayer will be hoping for an opportunity to make his first-team debut in 2014/15.  

He was nominated for ED player of the year after a fantastic 2013-14 campaign. 

At least he seemed happy with the idea of a trip to Paradise

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Joking aside, this is exactly the sort of player we should be after, but why no attempt to just buy him ? In fact, why no attempt to just buy anyone ?

The problem with this sort of loan is that you have to give him back afterwards, and we’ve already seen that loans don’t work when Tony Mowbray had nearly a teamful back when he was manager.

Meanwhile, Legia Warsaw will have their appeal heard by UEFA on Wednesday morning, and pressure is mounting for Celtic to do the ” right thing ” and politely decline the offer of a place in the play offs.

 

The right thing ? Cheats never prosper, as my old granny used to say. and we cannot be seen to be condoning the improper registration of players.

 Well, not again, anyway.

David Owen, in an article for “Inside World Football ” offers us his thoughts, presumably because he thinks they matter.( Who ?-Ed )

( David Owen worked for 20 years for the Financial Times in the United States, Canada, France and the UK. He ended his FT career as sports editor after the 2006 World Cup and is now freelancing, including covering the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the 2010 World Cup and London 2012. Owen’s Twitter feed can be accessed at www.twitter.com/dodo938.-That’s who-Ralph 

I am surely not alone in thinking both a) that it was the correct decision for UEFA to make, but b) that, in this particular case, the punishment seems disproportionate given the circumstances of the tie. I had therefore come around to the view that Celtic ought to contact UEFA to politely decline the second chance they had been handed, while harbouring few illusions about the prospects of this actually happening.

“What prompted my intervention was a Tweet from Robert Błaszczak, a self-styled “West London flȃneur”, who I noticed had been following the affair in some detail. “I’m told that Celtic’s ownership structure doesn’t allow directors to make a decision against their economic interest,” Błaszczak Tweeted.
That’s handy,” I replied, a little glibly.But it’s in their long-term economic interest to demonstrate they are fair-minded and sporting.” Unlike Legia, who field players when they are suspended.

This prompted a number of messages to wing my way from third parties about “fiduciary duties”, “directors responsibilities” and such like – messages that were, I’m sure, for the most part well-founded.


There are two reasons why this strikes me as a particularly interesting area.


First, as I wrote last week in a different context, top football clubs are different to other businesses: “whereas most companies exist to generate wealth for their shareholders, football clubs must balance this against the pursuit of trophies”.


If you accept this, is it right for football club directors to be subject to the same fiduciary duties as those of other businesses?


Second, in order to make a judgment as to where a director’s fiduciary duties lie, you need, I would have thought, to be able to value the alternatives.

In Celtic’s case, these are a) the unexpected reprieve and b) the kudos that would come from having the club acclaimed, at least for a time, as a global paragon of fair play and sportsmanship.

One thing that is immediately apparent is that a) is easier to measure than b).

I think he might be on the point of spotting why Celtic will not “politely decline ” the offer of a play off place.

 Could a mere act of magnanimity have such an effect on the club’s reputation that it would stand any chance of adding that sort of sum to its brand value?

No.


I have to say that it does not strike me as out of the question, although we are dealing with a more nebulous concept than the hard cash which a Champions League run would bring dropping through the door.


The club, after all, would be revered in Poland; there might be Fairplay Awards to look forward to; there must even be some value to the improved standing it would enjoy with old-fashioned bleeding hearts like me.

Oh, it would be nice to be revered in Poland. In fact, I know several supporters who refused to renew season books on the grounds that we are not revered in Poland.

 There would be considerable benefits, economic and otherwise, in other words, to doing what I, and no doubt others, would regard as the right thing. And while the immediate financial penalties are obvious, particularly if you believe them capable of beating Maribor, it is at least arguable that ceding their play-off berth to Legia would be in the long-term interests of the club.
  The writer declines to list any of these benefits, largely because it seems he can’t think of any , except for being known world wide as nice guys. Oh, and on top of allowing teams in Scotland-well, one, to be fair-to flout registration rules and win trophies at our expense, European ones can do it as well.

Gordon Strachan agrees. “Celtic have no part in this at all. It’s all down to Legia. I don’t think Celtic complained – it came from another source.That’s the rules and you have to deal with it. Legia can’t make the rules up. Sometimes rules can be really cruel and there’s no doubt they’ve been really cruel to Legia.But if Celtic agreed to overturn the decision where do we go after that? Do we bend rules depending on how high you are up the pecking list in superstardom?If you did that then Pele would be running the Brazil side – and he has come away with a few crackers in his time!”

 

Though you do have to feel a little bit sorry for Marta Ostrowska in all of this. she’s the secretary who made the mistake, and has been advised by police to leave Warsaw for a few days;

 “There have been occasions where someone called the club and asked for my address. There have been threats. I’ve been told it would be better for me and my family to spend a few days outside of Warsaw.”

Somehow, thats our fault as well.

Transfer news now, well, rumours and made up stuff. See if you can guess which is which. On the way out are Anthony Stokes ( Cardiff on loan ) Finboggason and Leigh Griffiths ( back to Hibs, also on loan ) and Virgil van Dijk, Southampton, later this week.

On the  allegedly way in, Billy Sharp, Southampton, a striker , Ghana keeper Adam Kwarasey, Stromgodset, Killian Overmeire, central defensive midfielder at Lokeren,Bjorn Siguradarson , another Wolves striker who is out of favour,and Tarik Elyounoussi, a Norwegian winger at Hoffenhein. 

The drunk who told us seemed quite convinced, and I have to admit to being impressed that he had conjured up three players I’d never heard of before.

Meanwhile, on the subject of drink, and food, those matchday essentials, theres news of a new caterer at Celtic Park. Its the same caterer but only theyre owned by someone else now.

Its actually an american company, famed for introducing the eleven dollar beer and thirteen dollar cheeseburger at american sporting events, though i’m sure they won’t be doing that at Celtic Park…

Maleys Bhoys on twitter has published an article on them, which is worth a look.  HERE .

 

Yesterday, we showed a picture of the birthplace of one Brother Walfrid, who went on to form a football club to alleviate poverty in Glasgow. You know the one.

 

Today, his message seems even more poignant as foodbanks abound in Scotland, with thousands of people depending on them for sustenance. Celtic have also contributed £50,000 to the one in Parkhead.

 There is a link to that, HERE

 

For today though, we thought that in the spirit of  solidarity with Celtic Boards current finance policy, we would just loan someone elses quiz

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 But lets put flippancy aside for now and lets remember a truly funny guy pictured here with a Celtic loving friend and another funny mate.

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martin
9 years ago

The structure of the Tonev deal is a good idea. If he’s good then we’ve already agreed a reasonable price to buy him at – if he’s rubbish then we’ve only lost a year’s wages.

I don’t understand the Denayer deal. We’re developing a Man City player, giving him European experience as well as plenty of domestic game, at the expense of one of our players, and at the end of it we hand him back to Man City and have nothing to show for it. Doesn’t make sense to me.

Magoo
9 years ago

Can I all why people seem to think that Celtic can cede their playoff spot to Legia ? If Celtic withdraw wouldn’t UEFA put Maribor through to the CL, Legia would still be headed to Kazakhstan and Celtic would be out of Europe altogether ? Really don’t think Celtic are allowed to overrule UEFA disciplinary committees

WeeWizard
9 years ago

Billy Connelly Dudley Moore and Robin Williams who sadly passed away last night

Ayrshire John
9 years ago

It would appear to me that the loan signing Jason Denayer indicates that Virgil is definitely on his way (he played like it at Murrayfield last week) and Denayer is a short term fix while we scout a long term replacement of Deila’s choice (at least I can live in hope).

enattendanthector
9 years ago

I didn’t see France give up their World Cup 2010 place because Thierry Henry cheated. Absolutely, nothing to do with Celtic if Legia make a mess of things.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

At the appeal legia should be banned for another 3 years for the behavour of thier support. There is no room in football for death threats. Anyone got uefa email.

holy sea
9 years ago

Whatever happened to the (once) Famous Glasgow Celtic ??
Now we are a feeder club,to give players game time.
Add in FREES and loan FLOPS, and Lawwell’s boast, ” WE NOW
SEE OURSELVES AS A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE CLUB ” has a very hollow ring to it !!

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

forster was also a loan deal with no option to buy

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  fredcdobbs

btw we are not glasgow celtic just celtic. everyone knows where we come from.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  fredcdobbs

CELTIC GLASGOW then !!
dobby,rather PATHETIC and PADANTIC !!

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

typo, PEDANTIC,in other words pain in the arse !!

The Morgman
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

Holy Sea, I think the word is “pedantic”.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

no just celtic. 0/10 must try harder.

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

DOBBY,
MUST SPELL BETTER ?
CHECK YOUR FIRST POST, BEHAVOUR ?? THIER ??
A BIG MINUS / 10 FOR YOU DOBBS !!

fredcdobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

hahaha…holy cannae understand batman. Is it aboot spellin or lack of understandin?

Bobby Zee
9 years ago
Reply to  holy sea

CAPS lock STUCK???!!??? NO, this is THE way I SPEAK in REAL life!!! SHOUTING certain WORDS for no APPARENT reason!

holy sea
9 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Zee

Since when was using caps shouting ??
It’s a tool used,to EMPHASISE and HIGHLIGHT,salient points.

Big nutz
9 years ago

Martin, I see the Denayer deal as a short term response to speculation that our defence will all leave before the start of September. If we don’t use him, then any money spent on him this season was spent as an insurance policy. If we do use him, then we got the services of a player without having to buy him, and we’ll sort out the consequences of him leaving in a year from now. In short, he’s a stop gap. A completely obvious policy by a hierarchy who have no nuts.

elcormaco
9 years ago

This whole Legia thing is getting pretty tedious…

The rules were in place before the tie, Legia didn’t follow them and UEFA, not Celtic, noticed and reported it.
The punishment for fielding an ineligible player is a 3-0 loss.

As many others have pointed out, though not in the SMSM, they weren’t kicked out of the CL – the “kicking out” was a result of Mc Gregor’s goal in Warsaw and their inability to score from two penalties – the last gift from Big Fraser – meaning they lost the tie on away goals

Legia can invoke Big Billy, Jock Stein, Carl Muggleton or Kenny Miller, it’s not something Celtic initiated or have a role in.

Yes, its very harsh on them, frankly I am embarrassed Celtic are still in and if Legia won their appeal I wouldn’t be disappointed, but it’s nothing to do with Celtic, or sporting integrity, and for once of late I think we can all support the board’s line: that is for UEFA to deal with.

When Henry bounced the ball in Paris I was furious, did the French offer to play the game again? Did they f**k. Were people bringing this up against France at the last world cup? Did they f**k. Football moves fast, there are lots of controversies, and whether Celtic made some grand gesture or it would still be forgotten quickly, with no residual “brand value” added.

What is great about it though is H*ns now invoking “sporting integrity”, the same ones who want apologies from HMRC, SPL, SFA, Tiger Woods and Jesus for what “was done to them” and making Celtic out to have cheated. To feel their pain, to see their twisted mad logic in action is a beautiful thing. Admitted dual contracts, tax avoidance, non payment of PAYE & NI, players they could not have afforded without a bit of chicanery on their part is less of a crime against sporting integrity it seems than playing against a team who broke the rules and then not letting them away with it when they are caught (insert own joke here)

Yesterday I predicted we d get a loan in and “a prospect”, I didn’t predict the “prospect” would also be a loan!
Ah well, at this stage we just need bodies, what contract they are on can be worried about if they turn out to be any good – personally I believe this Man City lad will rarely if ever see the first team and Tonev, having chased £ last year but not been good enough is now “delighted” to be here. Hmmmn. I m not getting excited.

binkabhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  elcormaco

Outstanding points about Legia and the huns Elcormaco!

9 years ago

maintain silence RADIO 1888, THERE’S A GOOD CHAP, FECK THE POLES COS THEY CHEATED AND THE DUM FUX GOT COT TEE HEE

charlie
9 years ago

to any tims reading this life is sweet lap it up to any zombies lurking in the shadows hell mend yees ha ha

Raymobhoy
9 years ago

I see Super Swally is blaming Charles Green and Hearts kicking off too early for Hearts’s second goal.

I can see a lot of this going on this season.

9 years ago

I really do think we should give up the Champions League qualifier place, firstly I don’t think we will beat Maribor, hence another humiliation by a duff team, and if by some sort of miracle we do get through, we will be up against some right class teams, I could see record scores going against us such as 9-0 etc. more humiliation and don’t think that any financial gain from the champions league will go to improving the team absolutely no chance, the cash will just go on shareholder dividends to the spivs that run and own the club. I for one hope we DON’T get into the champions league.

gerrybhoy
9 years ago
Reply to  John McCrory

I see BOGBHOY / DEIDHEAD67 has a new name GTF

9 years ago
Reply to  John McCrory

we can’t just give up the CL place and let Legia have it. UEFA won’t allow that. If we refuse to play against Maribor, they will get a bye into the group stages.
Legia won’t be going anywhere but the Europa Leaugue, unless UEFA admit they misinterpreted their own rules and re-instate them.
If this happens, UEFA would then have to redraw the CL & EL qualifiers as Celtic are a seeded team and Legia aren’t.
Can you imagine the furore if a team has been given an ok draw and then gets a hard draw. Never mind all the hassle caused by teams & fans having already made arrangements to travel.
Legia got it wrong, it’s unfortunate for them, but UEFA have already used this punishment 4 times for teams who made a similar mistake. If UEFA concede now, will those teams have a claim against UEFA for lost income?

Kev
9 years ago

Can someone clarify something for me?

In all of these discussions about whether Celtic should ‘turn down’ their place in the Champions League qualifiers no one seems to have mentioned UEFA’s position in this.

My understanding is that if Celtic were to refuse their place as Legia and some of our ‘supporters’ have suggested then Maribor would simply get a bye unto the next round. Uefa would view it as Celtic refusing to turn up and therefore forfeiting both matches. This could also lead to further European sanctions from Uefa.

If anyone knows different then please prove me wrong but if not then why are people suggesting a course of action that would be detrimental to our club?

Doc
9 years ago

Ronny needs a serious turnaround, we’ve got 6 games in 18 days including the CL qualifiers, not an easy start but thats the expectations at this level, hope Ronny isn’t in over his head. Get the finger oot bhoys.

fredcdobbs
9 years ago

what gets me is all these apple bound comrades giving it large about our team. Like they know us better then we do…

bondibrian
9 years ago

slight change of subject but ah was an extra in Good Morning Vietnam ( was traveling in Thailand in 86 and got asked to ‘play’ an American GI0 ah was on a lorry as Robin William gave his ‘rousing’ speech to the troops goin off to battle.

MON THE CELTS !!!!!!!!!!

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