Celtic Diary Monday September 30: 17th Century Thinking Today

Archie MacPherson, who used to commentate on the football has taken it upon himself to add his opinions on the debate surrounding the legitimacy of catholic schooling in Scotland.

As you would expect from a man of his age, those views are a little skewed. On five year olds being hauled from their playgroups kicking and screaming and being locked into catholic schools, whilst their protestant pals were led given ice cream and driven in limousines to embark upon a life of religious fulfillment, the dopey old fucker said;

“How do we bring them together? How do we have social cohesion? We separate children at the age of five. We’ve got to look at that as well.

“I think the discussion of it should be open and bold.

“It should be discussed. 

Perhaps, but you’ll notice this demand for “discussion ” doesn’t come from anyone educated in a catholic school.

He didn’t say where it should be discussed, but organisers are looking for a venue in the late seventeenth century…

 

“What sort of education system do we want in an increasingly secular society?” 

Well, we could do with losing the one that demands discussion on the legitimacy of any other one.

Archie, of course, has a book out. So he needs the headlines.

Stephen O’Donnell has a book out too, Tangled Up In Blue, which analyses the history and ultimate demise of Rangers, and it’s effect on Scottish football.

Not one newspaper has approached him as his narrative doesn’t fit in with theirs…and not one will link that demise, the corruption around it and the fact that the game in Scotland is dying because of it.

Surely thats a subject more worthy of discussion in the media ?

 

MacPherson has become part of an increasingly vocal minority who have found their scapegoat for the ills of society. It’s what happens when they feel their way of life and view of the world is threatened.

In England, it’s Muslims, in Germany it used to be the Jews, and it’s usually what happens when people like Archie are given airtime to pontificate on what goes on in the dirty great space between their ears.

It’s why most people of his age aren’t even allowed to choose what they have for tea.

 

Of course, there will be many a head nodded in agreement in goat fondling circles, but the truth is that there own insular views are becoming more and more unacceptable in a diverse society.

And it really pisses them off that the guy next door to them might actually point that out to them.

 

Now, before anyone criticises me for perhaps criticising another religion, I need to make oit clear that since I reached the age of reason, I find it difficult to believe in any God of any kind.

Quite simply, no benevolent supreme being would inflict the misery and pain that the world currently endures, and the concluding argument for me is the existence of an insect that eats childrens eyes out from the inside.

And for a supreme being he’s bloody awful with money, forever sending round plates for contributions, presumably to see him through the week.

However, there are many people who take great comfort from their faith, and thats perfectly fine.

I respect that, and joking apart, it’s entirely up to them.

After all, who is to say I’m right and they’re wrong ?

More importantly, who has the right to tell anyone what they believe in is wrong ? And then to splash it all over the papers ?

Some have a faith, and some don’t. Thats that.

And there is no reason why we have to argue over it. So I won’t.

Live and let live.

Apart from that, if there is a heaven, it’s not like I’ll know anyone up there anyway.

 

Resolution 12 is back.

And this time we are fighting to a conclusion, and don’t worry, if the club doesn’t want to stick up for itself, and those in charge are happy to go along with the corruption, there’s a plan in place for that as well…

They may have hoped it would all go away, but it hasn’t. It’s just come back in a much more aggressive form.

 

So, with that out of the way, let’s talk about the football.

The Cludgies are back in town on thursday, as Celtic look to avenge the defeat in the champions League that has hit the bank balance hard.

They aren’t a great side, but it’s important that the players don;t get carried away with the desire to put things right.

It’s just another game, and another three points.

One thing I hope though, is that Neil Lennon remembers what it was like when Celtic Park was a fortress, and teams from all over the continent feared a game here, as opposed to the now tourist attraction that it has become.

Fans need to stop applauding the opposition.

The atmosphere must be hostile. The opposition must be made to feel unwelcome, and that starts at the airport.

This week, we’ll look at ways that Celtic can impose themselves on opponents before a ball is kicked, and today we can start by picking their fans up at the airport, placing them in a bus, and driving them straight down to the stranraer ferry.

As for the opposition players, simply make sure that the hotel they are staying in has late night music and twenty four hour maintenance taking place. Little things like no hot water, no heating and Archie MacPherson providing the keynote after dinner speech.

We can say sorry after wards, and blame the schools.

 

Scott Brown is actually making my case here, on a serious note.

“We didn’t perform the way we should against them last time. That’s what we want to put right this time.

“It’s going to be a good game. We know how they play and they know how we play. I think we owe them one, to be perfectly honest. And especially me.

“Every game is personal for me. I want to win every single game and I always think I can do better. I BELIEVE I can do better.

“In the last match, I gave away a handball and that’s not like me. It was just one of those freak things that happened.

“I’ve got a lot of things in the back of my mind. There is a big book there, but you don’t dwell on it too long.

“The good thing about football is that there is another game three or four days later where you can go out there and show everyone wrong.

“It was a disappointing performance and their win at our place adds a wee bit extra to the game. We know what to expect from them. They got the better of us so we want to put the record straight.

“It was just one sloppy game where we probably didn’t perform as well as we should have.”

“It was a weird night, but it was a big kick up the backside. We need to maintain a certain standard at this club throughout the season and it was a huge disappointment for us going out of the Champions League.

”They will come here confident as well and played really well the last time.

“We played really well against them away from home, too, when we got a draw. But we need to make sure we start to make Celtic Park into a fortress yet again.

“I think the Europa League, and the Champions League, is getting harder and harder.

“The teams we’ve faced haven’t exactly been the easiest. But that is football. You want to compete against these teams and try to get the three points, especially at home.

“It is the fans, the fantastic support, that helps us out. You can ask a lot of players about it. They feel it, as well.

“The crowd get right behind us with every single tackle, every forward pass, and every chance that we create.”

We need to forget about the last game, and concentrate on the one ahead…

 

Maybe we were, maybe thats why the Hibernian game ended in a draw.

Although few have given credit to a superb effort from the Edinburgh club, it’s fair to say Celtic should have won that game with a few to spare.

Maybe it was just one of those days, and anyway, we can;t do anything about it now, just as anything we do on Thursday will not alter the result of the previous match.

So lets just concentrate on winning, without the dramatic speeches.

 

Yesterday , we had this disturbing image..

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Pat Higney September 29, 2019 at 10:12 am · Edit · Reply →

Caption: “ Hello, is that customer service? I’d like to report a crack in the window of carriage 3!”

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Holysmokes
11 months ago

Caption
Ajer: I’ll distract him, you tie his shoe laces together.

Whitearra
11 months ago

Caption : OK, the tackle wis a wee bit wild, but come on, Broonys on our side’.

11 months ago

Winner!!!

11 months ago

I meant the first One. Doh

Mike
11 months ago

I always thought (being a deep thinker) that Scotland was hung up on religion, its all they talk about (fuckwits), but is it not that the English are hung up on sex? because that’s all that they talk about, except of course 19– when they stole the world cup from Germany, just to get revenge for the blitz. Sex, straight, bent, horizontal, mixed threesomes, (lucky bastards) Bi, Transgender and when they cannot describe what form it is, they make up another name for it, its such a pity that they are minging at it. But that doesn’t stop them, of course they stole that from America (like everything else), now where is that lovely looking ewe?
Res.12. The cheating will keep on occurring until someone calls it out, as Monti say’s Lawwell will not, so time to raise that issue that is long overdue. KTF.

dennis doherty
11 months ago

Re the schooling question, as Dave Allen used to say ” may your god go with you”.
who are we to tell anyone how to live?

Puggy67
11 months ago

Personally I found having to know not only who made me but why He did it slightly discriminatory considering all that the Proddies of the same age had to remember was not to run with the big scissors.

Now that those NI Proddies are running around garden centers with the big secateurs and putting aside all that no surrender pish for EU membership good old GB has a bit of a constitutional crisis on the go.

So the same old institutions fall back on the same old tropes. It’s all the catholic schools’ fault. One Scotland many cultures, except….

Puggy67
11 months ago
Reply to  Puggy67

Ah the staunch defence of the Union. What do you suggest when a democratic majority wish to leave? Martial law, internment, gerrymandering?

henkesdreadlocks
11 months ago
Reply to  Puggy67

Not if they want to be part of the EU.

tony carlin
11 months ago

Caption “I’m sending you off for wearing a football strip that me and my brothers in the ludge hate”

the real Anton Rogan
11 months ago

Your supposed to score in that goal Kris

Cartvale88
11 months ago

Caption

As one of Gods chosen people don’t tell me about rules!

Anything in this sad we Biggoted Country to denigrate Irish Catholics.

Erchies best contribution to football ” Wooooof” otherwise a vacuous space.

Seen the Wankers Morellos dive for a pen, no comment from our unbiased media, he was going down befor he wrapped his foot around the Aberdeen player, Madhun of course awarded the penalty.

The goat lovers will do everything to stop Celtic, but the board do not raise any concern or comment

Navarro
11 months ago

So let me get this right, the fact that kids go to separate schools is the problem?

By that logic there would be anti dundee school marches, anti Aberdeen school marches ad nauseum.

They have neither my education nor expectations

Caption: ‘Over there is where we sacrifice the goats’

John McDermott
11 months ago

It’s too easy to blame catholic schools.
Catholics are not the ones marching through the streets celebrating what they think was a victory over the catholic church.
My sons all went to so called non denominational schools.
Guess what they were taught about God from a minister from a protestant church of Scotland.
No such thing as a non denominational school.
I went to a catholic school I was taught tolerance toward other Faith’s.
One of my sons asked about catholisim . Guess what he was told that it’s not a real pathway to God.
Utter p*sh.
I am like you each to their own if God gives you some sort of comfort that’s great by me.
Not for me though not for my sons either.
When I complained to school that surely in a non denominational school religion should not be taught.
Its taught in every school they just dont teach about catholisim. Caption ( you nearly scored a goal their at the right end that’s serious foul play YOUR OFF!)

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  John McDermott

make awe the wains dae wit saiz done cause hees fookin perfect ha ha ha ha saiz get oot yon loft a wee bit you know it makes sense

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  charlie

ffs saiz take a chill pill kid

jimmybee
11 months ago

I am very proud to have went to a catholic school.. Our uniform worn every day made us stand out against the others who didn’t care or bother about uniform we were taught respect discipline and to be courteous going on and off the public transport system.I still to this day get up and give my seat away to people who need it more.
As do my children. I wasn’t brought up to hate.
They hated me that’s the problem.
Catholic schools and education has to be protected
from the haters.

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  jimmybee

hail hail jimmybee

Monti
11 months ago
Reply to  jimmybee

Jimmybee,
Exactly m8 well said!

Puggy67
11 months ago

Nice touch from Johnny Hayes giving the lad he hit with the ball his jersey now if he could arrange a complementary seat at both ends between the posts that would be splendid

Monti
11 months ago
Reply to  Puggy67

🙂

Shiltrum
11 months ago

Look Chris!!!! It wiznae me if you turn aroon you’ll see a guy in the stand called Dave he told me to dae it.

charlie
11 months ago
Puggy67
11 months ago

fuck sake Ralph catholic schools on a Monday morning! I’m stuck on a spinning marble with Charlie bhoy noo so at least I believe in purgatory…

charlie
11 months ago
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Aurellio Zen
11 months ago

I think one problem and what gives the anti-catholic schools argument such force in Scotland is the perfect storm of anti-catholic and anti-religious bigotry combining to attack what they both hate. There has, for all of my life, been an anti-catholic editorial agenda in all of the media . The BBC is at the forefront in this but it has many competitors for its crown.

Richie, (forgive the familiarity), your “how can a good God allow…” argument has been refuted many times in many places but I would hope that CS Lewis’ The Problem Of Pain could give you some answers.
Keep up the good work- I think that we all appreciate your indefatigably and feel a selfish twinge of annoyance when you let the fact that you have a life get in the way of our diary fix HH

Steve Naive
11 months ago

The ever excellent Kevin McKenna, one of the few decent journalists worth reading, recently rebuked the nonsense by Woods and Goring ( whose article McPherson just regurgitated) and highlighted the tolerant, multi faith teaching in Catholic schools. Far from ban them, there is more need for them than ever. They also offer a very good education… as the t-shirt says

Monti
11 months ago

Build more Catholic Schools!

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  Monti

an wae monti heer

Monti
11 months ago

…..and keep building them!

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  Monti

am wea monti heer

Monti
11 months ago

GOD BLESS THE POPE!

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  Monti

am wae monti heer

Dziekanowski's nightclub child
11 months ago

Caption: Look Mr Ajer, he only punched you in the face, kicked you in the balls and pulled a knife! Your Lucky I’m only booking you for complaining!

Honest hoops
11 months ago

Caption; look here Ajer…I know Scott was fouled but in my eyes it’s a penalty to rangers..

charlie
11 months ago

gandhi wis awright …….but who the fook wis his tailor

11 months ago
Reply to  charlie

The same guy that done yon deluded Emperor’s.

H.H.

11 months ago
Reply to  Jimboh

Oops.. Meant for Charlie, that’s the problem with twa Charlie’s in the same thread. Just as well one’s a proper Charlie. cough, cough.

H.H

charlie
11 months ago
Reply to  Jimboh

thanks jimboh a think

Mike
11 months ago

“Father forgive him, cos he nose not what he say’s”.
And that would be true about Archie, because when you get older, your brain cells melt, overheat because of age. Personally I always preferred the Montford, because his sports jackets looked more classy, his soft tones made you prick up your ears close to the telly to hear his commentary on the games. Archie always had a high opinion of himself and if my memory ever returns I would remember his friendship with big Jock. Big Jock was good with the quips and Archie was an avid listener and he was always self opinionated. But he was not a friend of the BBC (The British Bigot Corporation) he wasn’t afraid to take them on, usually at big Jock’s prodding (oops). Archie was always more Celtic leaning than most, he was no friend of the Huns-Traynor who he always put down with the quip, that his older brother John was better. So me, I put his latest quote down to OLD FOLKS SYNDROM, “I’M NO DEED YET SO LISTEN. Never tease an auld dug, cos they may have one bite left.

Mike
11 months ago

Another one bites the dust. Woof Woof. Yeh canny keep an auld dug doon.

Jinkylarrson
11 months ago

Caption…broony lays the first brick for a new Catholic school

john wall
11 months ago

archie mc pherson ” an age ehen he should’nt be allowed to chose what he has for dinner”. you are shameless mate. i am not much younger than the venerable scribe who, by the way has always given us fair treatment and was one of the few respected by Jock Stein. i am a season ticket holder, practising catholic and my sister taught in catholic schools for 35 years. we should have no fear about debating the issue. shine a light on it. we can decide.. not those not of our faith.

R.St.Parsley
11 months ago

Caption:
“Did you learn how tae say prayers at they Cafflick schools for bigots? Right, that’s it yer aff!”

11 months ago

The problem of bigotry and sectarianism in Scotland is mainly an anti-Catholic problem so perhaps Protestant/State schools need a remedy and need to do some real soul-searching? Catholic schools do not teach childen to hate non-Catholics, probably, the opposite.

11 months ago

Breed more Catholics

Monti
11 months ago

I see the Huns have won yet another cup, this tine it’s the ” third highest side in Europe for shots on target “…

MWAHAHAHAHA MWAHAHAH

Cole Burns
11 months ago

I wonder if Archie knows that the vast majority, well over 85%, of children in Catholic schools have at least one non-catholic parent through mixed relationships.

A lot of protestant parents are sending their children to Catholic primaries because of better education and less bullying.

I have to honestly say that of the many children in my (large) extended family I never ever heard any one of them wondering why their friends went to different schools.

Maybe if they had been as keen in us joining them in the police force, the fire service, the Sunday Post or, in Archie`s case, the BBC, we wouldn`t have the same anti-catholic hatred.

When I was school age the protestant children in my street went to four different protestant schools and the catholics to two of their own and nobody batted an eyelid.

I remember Jock Stein asking Archie why the BBC didn`t employ many, if any, Catholics.

Is this what they mean by `Big Jock knew`?

11 months ago

In countries like Canada, America, New Zealand and Australia, there are many Catholic primary and secondary schools (parochial schools)and there is not the virulent anti-Catholic sentiment in these places as there is in Scotland. Therefore, the problem must lie outside of Catholic schools. At least parents in Scotland sending their children to Catholic schools know those children won’t be bullied, abused, called names and told to go back where “they came from.” The Famine may be over but we’ve not seen the end of sectarian abuse and any Catholic in Scotland knows where that comes from. It is not a Catholic problem.

11 months ago

Two wee boys. Same street one lives in No.8 the other across the road at no.9. Grow up great pals. School days arrive, they get separated and have to go to different schools. How sad…boohoo. How did that happen?
One side of the road was in the catchment area of St. Paddy’s and the other in the catchment area of St.Mary’s. Both CATHOLICS. For fuck sake. When is this pish going to end?

There are catholic schools in every part of the world….no problems of bigotry.

We only have them in Scotland because the powers at the time would not let catholics into the school system. It was THEIR fault and now it’s catholic schools to blame.

Do the teach them how to be two faced at “public ” schools?
AND, they can send their kids to catholic schools if they wish, and vice versa. Their hypocrisy is rank.

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