May you live in interesting times!

gezzam78 sends his his thoughts in this Guest Posting…

May you live in interesting times!

The next wee while could be very interesting times at Paradise; the continuity that many Celtic fans, myself included, bought into has been lost and while many may claim to have the inside scoop the rest of us will have to just wait and see.

For the record I think Brendan Rodgers is a prick; not because he has no right to find another job but because of the following:

  1. The timing of the move was ridiculous
  2. The destination was disgusting
  3. He didn’t front up and tell his players like a man

Now I think any one of those make him a prick, all three makes him a total prick!

That said I do admire his skills as a coach, and therefore want Celtic to find as good a replacement for him as possible. If the Board think that man is Neil Lennon I for one will have no problem supporting a man I have a lot of love and respect for.

The problem is I’ll be doing it knowing full well that we’ve taken a step back. We’d be taking someone who is the best we can get, not better than what we had.

And I can accept that fact, that’s why I’ll have no issue getting behind a great Celtic man if that’s the decision. During this time of uncertainty though, that is where we the fans get to discuss the matter, and discussion is good as you get different perspectives that might influence your position. Unlike the Solskjaer situation at Man Utd though I don’t think Lenny is quite knocking it out the park in the same way and is therefore not as easy a decision to take.

Lenny has had some vocal supporters, particularly on this site, pointing to his European record and winning percentage as manager. Some arguments are not so watertight though, and show just what statistics are like when they can prove what the exponent wants them to prove. The fact is that Lenny managed domestically in a period where there was no Glasgow rival, and even some of the other teams who had been more than capable of giving us a bloody nose in the past, found themselves courting the Championship.

As for the European record of Lenny, and WGS for that matter? We have participated in the Champions League nine times, and qualified three times with the latter coming under Lenny. Brendan didn’t manage it in his two attempts, so does that make Lenny (or WGS) better than him? The evolution of European football over the last 15-20 years makes comparison difficult, but perhaps we should look at the Groups we managed to qualify from:

 

2006/07                Man Utd, Benfica, Copenhagen

2007/08                AC Milan, Benfica, Shakhtar

2012/13                Barcelona, Benfica, Spartak

I guess we should cross our fingers we get a group with Benfica next  time?!

In all seriousness though you’d bite the hand off anyone offering those three groups, there’s only one team from the big 5 leagues. Compare that to the groups Brendan got:

2016/17                Barcelona, Man City, Borussia

2017/18                PSG, Bayern Munich, Anderlecht

At least two teams from the big 5 leagues each time; that is what they call the luck of the draw!

Now I’m not suggesting that Brendan would have been entitled to throw his toys out the pram and  complain that he had no chance; we as Celtic fans have that inner voice that suggests in any one-off game, home or away, there’s always a chance. It’s up to a manager to approach a game in the best way, to motivate and organise his players to achieve the best result they can, and allow the fans to support those players and walk away after thinking “they’ve done the best they can”.

I will not try and defend the performances Brendan oversaw in Europe as we were embarrassed repeatedly; I’d say of those twelve games you’d be happy with Bayern and Man City at home, and Anderlecht away (Man City away was good as well but the game was irrelevant). And if you question why would I be happy losing to Bayern at home, my point of view is that I was proud of the team giving all they could, the manager being offensive in his thinking, and the fans made our venue the best in Europe that it can be that night; despite the defeat I was proud of my club that night and that’s all I ask.

Lenny has been far more pragmatic in Europe, achieving the wonderful 125th anniversary victory of course, and only an injury time winner prevented a resolute defensive performance earning a draw in the Nou Camp that same season, with the Spartak away victory being another highlight. All I’m saying is had Brendan been given a group like that it might have been interesting to see what we could have achieved.

What cannot be taken away from Brendan is his domestic success, achieving 7 out of 7, and he’ll probably get a medal for the league as well I’d imagine as it WILL happen. Despite the fantastic winning percentage Lenny has, his team didn’t always turn up, perhaps taking the wee teams for granted which is one of the major requirements a Celtic manager must not allow; Brendan was fantastic at it obviously and that level or professionalism is what is needed this time around.

So until a decision is made I’ll want the best we can get; once the decision is made I’ll back whoever it is, and any player that person asks to wear the hoops.

I just don’t want it to be Neil Francis Lennon.

Hail Hail

gezzam78

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deserbhoy

time to spend the comp received for br.

desertbhoy

dropped a t somewhere

Tomo

10 in a row is in our grasp. I just hope we don’t blow it. Lots of cash in the bank. We should go big and try to attract as top quality coach as possible. Why not offer someone like Arsene Wenger a fortune to come – he can only say no. Offer over the odds wages to get quality players to come to our poor league for a couple of years.Grab the momentum from Gerrard and the Gers. We should blow them out of the water with some imagination and bravery. Just do it and get that historical 10.… Read more »

Maryhillbhoy

Tomo I totally agree with your point about seizing the initiative for years to come and we can only hope the board have the courage to do so.

charlie

desi imo this is not the time to be discussing changing the manager and wit did ye say about brendans bad timing ……..wan ooty three aint bad ha ha ha ha

Drew

Under no circumstances should Lennon be offered the job simply put not good enough 7 games 3 no score draws not good enough to get us 10 in a row also eight in a row not the forgone conclusion we all thought these performances only give the huns hope for this season and next

Mark

Agree on all points. The semi against the dons was a superb display and His raised it. If Ryan, get well soon, had played, we would have one. Bonded to panic when we do not win every game. BR was, and is, a sweet talker, already at it with the foxes striker. Going from being told how I am to being told together my first get out of my are us a shock and Lenny expects the Bhoys to man up. We will be fine. COYBIG! HH!

Mick Rooney

It’s fair to say this season August to December the results in the league were as poor as anyone can remember. Lenny will get us over the finish line but I agree moving forward we need to aim higher

BobbyRussell

Oils someone translate that for me.

BobbyRussell

Oils?? Could.

Monti

We got £9m compensation, we need to go big & spend big.
Let’s smash these hun fucks for eternity!

I love Neil Lennon, if he get’s it i’ll go with it, if he get’s it he must get significant transfer funds to give the man a real chance of lifting the support again!

Brendan? Hope i never bump into him, his ears will be ringing for a few days!

He walked away from the fight….fuck him!

HH

TicToc

Monti, I generally agree. (I agree with just about anyone, who makes sense – I don’t shoot messengers either.) Brendan Who, IMHO? He’s certainly not the saint that my primary school was named after. If NFL is our manager for next season, I’ll go with that. For his own, and his family’s sake, I hope he moves on. I love the mhan, the character…but there’s more which I’ll leave until we lift the Cup in May, the 25th, a lovely co-incidental date in May too! 🙂 Speaking to one of my brothers yesterday and we’ve little clue about who’s on… Read more »

TicToc

I responded to your comment, M., but not to you alone.
1st comment for a while as consumed by home improvements.
Comment gone all fuckin’ ethereal. Annoying.
Ach well……
HH

People who know say that BR brought a previously unknown professionalism to Celtic. Mind you, he was certainly exceptionally unprofessional in the way he worked his ticket out of CP.
While he was still in the job my reservation about him was his nonchalant response to humiliation in Europe.
Now Neil is a clever fellow but, if appointed, I suspect that he will adopt a ‘fly by the seat of your pants’ approach. In other words he will guarantee uncertainty.

Mike

Doesn’t matter to a degree who the next manager is, if he is not backed by new players to supplement the good players we have. What we are witnessing now is the failure to add good players in the January window. Tolgian: Loan. currently sitting on the bench because he isn’t better than Lustig. Mulumba: Free. Currently supplementing Kilmarnock. Bayo: Who he? a nowhere man. Emotion should play no part in any kind of selection, nepotism, not for me. But the blame for Rodgers leaving is simply because they/he did not get the players in that he wanted and they… Read more »

Mike

Place the blame on Rodgers leaving where it belongs, he, Rodgers brought in a huge amount of money into Celtic. Look at the players he wanted and look at the players he got in the last window. The players he wanted were not very expensive and what he got, Tolgian= Loan=Bench, Mulumba Free= Killy and the mystery man, the so called Dembelle replacement, Bayo,= Cheap, where is he? Think about Toure’s influence in bringing in some excellent players, he too is gone. My biggest concern is will the next transfer window be filled with loans and cheapos, in that sense… Read more »

Mike

Swannee how I love you and that’s where my posts have gone…

TicToc

HaHaHa, join the FN club!
HH

Devoy45

Good work Desi. I think the same. I’m not sure if a ‘big-name’ manager has any motivation to come to Celtic. The 10 in a row obviously meant nothing to Rodgers so it also won’t mean anything to somebody other than Lenny. However, the 7 matches under Lennon really concern me. We can’t score and there is no logic to his team selections. I think he has just a little time to salvage it. We have 4 matches left and a cup final. Good high-scoring football might prove he can motivate this team and earn the job. But I am… Read more »

Broxburnbhoy

Neil Lennon has been hired to get us the treble treble and try and continue to motivate the players until the end of the year. Are there better coaches out there – yes will any of them like Rafa Benitez for example come to Celtic ? No. We may be lucky and find another excellent coach who needs redemption and have him for two to three years. Right now is no time to be double guessing Lennon. Full support is required to win the league and then the cup. What happens after that who knows. If the Board Pick Lennon… Read more »

Mike

Brendan Rodgers brought in a huge amount of money and raised the bar on so many levels, he left or was pushed out the door because he wasn’t backed by bringing in the players he wanted, instead we got: Tolgian, loan, benched. Mulumba, free, Killy, Bayo, the nowhere man. If he had been backed, he would still be here, the players he wanted but never got, would have made a difference now. Toure, had a big effect in bringing in good players, he too is gone. Nepotism, emotion has no place in appointments, the head must rule. Place the blame… Read more »

jpm 88

Agree with what you state , Mike ; BR name was blackened when he left , and it was a deliberate campaign to do so .

Yet there are usually 2 sides to a story ; we’ve not really heard BRs version but I bet you his Managerial colleagues have so I wouldn’t be expecting a long line of them ( particularly the better ones ) to be queuing up to work under PL OR DD.

Mike

Hope you are good mate, I wonder when we will hear his side of the story, perhaps a confidentiality agreement might prevent it. You are correct, the managers association is a small group, word spreads….

BroxburnBhoy

Brendan is the latest in a line of managers to work at Leicester. They generally sack managers pretty quickly in England. Are we saying it was all PLs or DDs fault that Rogers left in the middle of the night? If it is a two way street I’d like to hear the PL and DD version and the BR version. The truth is he used Celtic as a stepping stone and we benefitted as did he. As soon as a decent money offer showed up – he was off knowing full well Celtic cannot compete on the same financial level… Read more »

Mike

Broxburn, I couldn’t give a monkey’s about Leicester City F.C. And yes I am saying it was down to Lawwell, because he failed to bring in the players that Rodgers asked him to, its on record that he wanted McGinn, its on record that he wanted a right back and its on record he wanted a centre half. So where are they? for McGinn see Mulumba, for the right back see Tolgian. Commper. Was he under contract or was he not? did he ask the board to release him from his contract? of course he did and they had to… Read more »

BroxburnBhoy

Mike I respectfully disagree. I think BR would have gone anyway whether we bought McGinn and others. It was never about that for BR. It was about him. 2m is good money and 5m is better. That said I do believe the Board are failing to invest more in players when we actually do have the money. I thank BR for what he did when here and the circumstances of his leaving are the mark of a man with very little integrity and still less ambition.

Mike

Its quite alright to disagree Brox. I too believe that he would have left at some point, but for me it was for different reasons. I am very concerned that the board will not reinvest in new players come the summer, but the team need big investment on that we both agree. Rodgers did do many good things when he was here and took us to a new level after Delia. “Get me a real manager” said D.D. but he would not sanction the funds to back him. Rodgers was invited to Celtic and They have previous for that and… Read more »

Mike

Griffiths, is he to be the new Dembelle?
A twenty two summer trialists, is he the new Boyata.
Who replaces Armstrong?
The biscuit tin is ringed by amour plating and armed guards and Lawwell is the chief protector…

Mike

Player development equals player increased values.
Back to back C.L. qualification.
Europa league qualification.
Domestic dominance.
The Celtic brand, a much larger raised profile.
£20. mill. for Dembelle.
£7. mill. for Armstrong.
£9.00 mill. compensation.
All he wanted was a meagre amount to spend on new players, instead all he got was the V. sign.

The Cha

Correct and this season’s European “failure” saw us qualify for the Europa League ko round ahead of the team 3rd in the Bundesliga.

If that’s failure then I look forward to future success!

If we appoint Lennon we won’t be investing in the team.

Mike

Aye I wish I too was a prick, the real “prick” isn’t mentioned on here, he’s laughing, laughing, laughing all the way to the bank…

Monti

We will be investing in the team because a number of positions, specifically in defence & centre forward positions need to be strengthened.
Our two full backs yesterday, were our full backs in 2012…
That is damning!

The Cha

In 2019 under Rodgers we won all 9 domestic games with an aggregate score of 26-1, playing largely very good football. In the 9 games under Lennon, we’ve had 3 good wins, 3 stuttering games requiring very late goals to scrape wins and 3 dire 0-0s and the football’s been largely mince. Lennon’s not the man and hopefully he’s been told to get the league wrapped up as soon as possible then focus on getting the team firing before the Cup Final. He can then leave with his head held high and his CV boosted from the mutually consented failing… Read more »

Monti

Boyata out!

The Cha

What for the season and no Cup Final goodbye?

That’s a shame.

TicToc

Aye, it’s a fucking shame he was ever here in the 1st place. But, of course, that’s what you meant, in’t it?
HH
PS Boyata GTF, I’ll pay yer bus fare, and it’s mer than your worth.

Mike

“I love Lenny but”. “But” the biggest used term on any Celtic website.
“I love Lenny but”.

Monti

Not everyone has a big nose……BUT….i know someone who does 😉

Mike

Aye but do you LLuurrve him? I think that I know that you do, shall we get married, I want four kids, two goats three horses and a partridge in a pear tree, those are my terms tubby.. 😉

Mike

Who nose, but he’s no Donald Trump, oh wait…

BJF

Rodgers left a poisoned chalice, he put his successor in a dire position. If he wins the league and the cup it was Rodger’s team, if he loses then Rodgers left them top of the league and in the cup. Is Lenny a step back to 2014 or has he added to his skill set through his experiences at Bolton and Hubs, after all Hibs are full of Lenny players and he did well there especially in a few crunch games. The performances at Ipox and Pittodrie will be worth watching, the opponents have points to make, Celtic have much… Read more »

Phaco

What the fuck is wrong with Lenny.? The best player and manager as far as I’m concerned. What a Tim. Hh

Tomo

We are in a position of strength. All the cheating caught up with th Huns. This is the reason that they failed at the last hurdle to get the 10. We could spend 30 odd million and still not go bankrupt. Surely to God we can stumble over the line this season and then it is only 2 more to go. Believe me that the gap is closing and they will throw the kitchen sink at it to stop us getting the 10, no matter the consequences to their finances or future. Just let us use our advantage to get… Read more »

The Cha

but bad results and poor performances will no matter what the hysteria of the twatterati.

The Cha

“Dembele and Griffiths”

Oh dear.

🙂

TicToc

So, CS, taking the piss, because it’s vogue (on here to take the piss) and not for some of the BB content (with predictable ‘assitance’ from Belfast) is acceptable on here? You ARE becoming THE cunt. Buzz Bomb makes far more sense than another “BB” ever does, that one whom cannot differentiate between ‘education’ and ‘intelligence’ and the partially spoon-fed clown sees himself as ‘superior’. Prick/Fanny, take your ….PRICK. A fanny is a wonderful, beautiful thing, has no connection with THAT prick. 🙂 I shall restrain myself from putting ‘that’ BB in his place. I shall follow my earlier (missing… Read more »

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TicToc

Weered, I’ll take that as I hope you mean it…..just looked again at your comment and it’s not what I originally thought.

No matter. I’m clear here and genuinenly want to see an end to barbs from one (differently-opinionated) Tim to another.

It’s a decent call Weered, as hun lurkers must love our inter-warring and gloat in it as they’ve nothing to gloat about at Ibrox.

I may even get to like some of their (hun) children/grandchildren as they are blown towards the CELTIC.
HH

TicToc

And you state that you don’t drink anymore, CS?
Not even alcohol?
Hmmmmmm, need to keep a *weather* eye on you CS.
🙂
HH
PS *weather*, not to be confused with Werther’s, whom some on here ‘swear’ by. 😉
HaHaHa

BroxburnBhoy

Oh tic toc ya daftie! You could not put your shoes in their place. It’s no surprise you think Buzz Off is an intellectual giant only rivalled by you for crass stupidity and a serious case of unfounded self importance. That said you are extremely amusing is sad kind of way. My advice start taking your meds again and ask all your mates if you are really as big a dick as you come over

TicToc

Those who live in glass houses, BB…….or did your education not go that far?
Anyway, tiresome as you are, I’ll not descend to mud-slinging with/at you any more.
You’re very likely an okay person when encountered in the flesh.
In any event, today should be reflected upon by myself and many others on here as we’ve lost a truly inspirational Mhan and could well learn from his approach to all things Celtic.
Hail! Cesar, thanks for EVERYTHING, Big Mhan.
HH

BroxburnBhoy

Charlie – just ignore this eejit he’s clearly under the influence of something most of the time

jimmybee

Here’s my tuppenceworth. Lenny settled the ship no more no less. He went to hibs where Brendan hadn’t won and won. Went to tynecastle and won. Played sevco at home and won. Played the sheep at hampden and won. The big games won. Livvy we should have won easily.So many good chances wasted. Hibs are a hard nut to crack away from home. But ffs some of the passing and decision making was a fuckin joke. There is no way Lenny or any of us expected such a dire performance. Lenny is the man to lead us Brendan.lost against possibly… Read more »

The Cha

I have to say that’s just pish, Jimmy. We were in excellent form before Lennon came in, win 9 straight domestic games, score 26-1 and some great performances. Since Lennon, there’s been 3 dire 0-0s (2 at home where previously we were 100%), 3 nervy late, late wins (2 against teams with 10 men) and only 3 passable performances. Compare and contrast Hibs, pre and post Lennon and its equally stark and no I don’t want Heckingbottom as our manager! Lennon’s Hibs were dire in Europe (losing 3 in the Faroes FFS) so its nonsense to say he would’ve won… Read more »

TicToc

Jimmy, I’ve too much respect for you to answer in the negative, but I dinny agree with much you say. Stop there. But, for example, (although it’s not part of your comment) I’d questioned big Kennedy’s involvement (or the lack thereof) for ages. He got huge plaudits for sticking by the Celtic, but what has he actually offered over the years? NFL’s choice of 1st eleven was a bit strange. But his choice of subs was truly baffling. Returning crocks and a mis-firing Sincy when we really needed a Weah/Burke to fly at them. Neil Lennon may be a ‘safe… Read more »

jimmybee

The cha the stas you say look great till you see who we played mostly bottom half of the table.
St Johnstone about 3 times Accies Motherwell St Mirren etc Airdrie in the cup.

TicToc

Aye, fuck this for a gamea sodgers.

Nae fuckin’ chance ae a discussion/argument.

Comments plucked by the eTims monster?

Naw, fuck this……………… 😉 ah’ll just repeat a comment every fuckin’ second until some prick who decides tae stoap good craic gets fucked over by the nearest cunt wi’ a brain, an’ a hammer.
Come back Ralph, ALL is forgiven. (even that wee escapade on Monday….or wiz it Thursday…..or Monday-Thursday?)
Je ne c’est quoi!
HH

TicToc

Aye, fuck this for a gamea sodgers.

Nae fuckin’ chance ae a discussion/argument.

Comments plucked by the eTims monster?

Naw, fuck this……………… 😉 ah’ll just repeat a comment every fuckin’ second until some prick who decides tae stoap good craic gets fucked over by the nearest cunt wi’ a brain, an’ a hammer.
Come back Ralph, ALL is forgiven. (even that wee escapade on Monday….or wiz it Thursday…..or Monday-Thursday?)
Je ne c’est quoi!!
HH

TicToc

Aye, fuck this for a gamea sodgers.

Nae fuckin’ chance ae a discussion/argument.

Comments plucked by the eTims monster?

Naw, fuck this……………… 😉 ah’ll just repeat a comment every fuckin’ second until some prick who decides tae stoap good craic gets fucked over by the nearest cunt wi’ a brain, an’ a hammer.
Come back Ralph, ALL is forgiven. (even that wee escapade on Monday….or wiz it Thursday…..or Monday-Thursday?)
Je ne c’est quoi!!!
HH

Monti

I’m a Goddamn marvel of modern science

TicToc

HaHaHa, that’ll fuck ’em off.
Note 3 posts that are all the same, but are they?
One ! two !! three !!!
HaHaHa.
HHH (the 3rd wan’s for Harry Hood) Oh Harry Harry (Hari Hari), Harry Harry, Harry Hood. A drinkae Lanny, a drinkae Lanny, tae oor wee magic, Harry Hood…..and then the Craic turned a corner (as it tends to do with Lanny) and the rest of the Craic was lost forever….or even longer. (Thanks, Spike M.)
HH

Broxburnbhoy

For Gods sake stop embarrassing yourself man – now it’s getting cringey.

Monti

Nurse Ratched ^

Mike

HAHAHA ^

Monti

Mike,
Good morning m8

Mike

Morning Mo Chara, E-Tims don’t you just love it, all the fun of the fair, what would we do without it, oh wait life beckons. 😉

Monti

A couple on here need straight jackets 🙂

Mike

Just a couple? 😉

Monti

Well you & Bgbhoy:)

Monti

Celtic 3-4-3

Bain

Ajer
Benkovic
Simunovic

Forrest
Brown
McGregor
Sinclair

Burke
Edouard
Weah

GO FOR GOALS!

Monti

Boruc

McGrain
McNeill
Van Dijk
Gemmell

Johnstone
McStay
Murdoch
DiCanio

Dalglish
Larsson

Devoy45

Simpson
McGrain/McNeil/Van Dijk/Gemmell
Johnstone/McStay/Lennox/Murdoch
Larsson/McGrory

Monti

Pish 😉

Monti

1984 is a lot of pish!

Monti

FFF

Monti

REST IN PEACE MR MCNEILL 🙁

HAIL CESAR!

Morning all… There seems to have been a cloudburst of pish during the night 🙁

Iljas Baker

It seems to me that most folk writing negative comments about Lenny are failing to see the contexts of what he’s been doing. Here’s three for a start: 1 Rodgers left and no spectator knows the real impact in his leaving and the manner of his leaving. I believe Lenny does and has dealt with it and continues to do so admirably 2 Players like Ncham need games but Lenny can’t guarantee a performance from him. So does Hayes and he’s now much better than Sinclair. So far a moderate success at least. Rogic also needs games and his performance… Read more »

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