The launch of the new Resolution 12 site now means that everyone has access to all the evidence of corruption at the SFA that is available.
You can study it here..res 12
All of this has been in the hands of the Celtic CEO for a long time.
And Peter is an honourable man.
He asked for what he described as a “smoking gun “, the evidence that was needed to prove that rules were either ignored, broken or both to enable Rangers to compete in the Champions League at the expense of Celtic.
Then he could act.
All of that contained on the website above has been on his desk for quite some time now.
It’s fair to say that the general consensus is that Lawwell has, and never did have, any intention of proceeding in a way that resembles the obligations of the chief Executive Officer of a PLC.
He must act in the interests of the shareholders.
That’s us, by the way.
We are the majority of shareholders, if not the shareholding majority.
In his eyes, perhaps that means we don’t really count.
For too long now, we’ve been told to wait for the right moment, and we believed him, because, after all, Peter is an honourable man, and is just like us, a Celtic supporter.
What we know is this..
There are a number of narratives arising from the Res12 Archive as set out on CQN at https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/scott-brown-defence-pyro-problems-the-joy-of-ryan-christie/comment-page-2/#comment-3358696 … above but the one that will make it difficult for Celtic not to address, is that the known evidence points to them being defrauded by Rangers FC in March 2011 and the SFA participated in covering it up from September 2011 to date.
That evidence re March 2011 was presented to a lawyer expert in criminal law, who concurred with the heading in the Archive that the licence was granted on false pretence
That is what the SFA have been trying hard to keep under wraps from 19th September 2011 if folk visit the archive at https://www.res12.uk/ and check for themselves and what follows from 2015 on the archive supports the view SFA did not want that to come out.
Now if that expert advice is wrong because of some unknown facts or evidence, the SFA only have to explain on what grounds, which is what Res12 would have delivered had it been passed.
If however the advice is correct, shareholders have ever right to ask what Celtic intend to do about it. From the moment Res12 was adjourned in 2013 the issue was never going to go away, the police might be where it eventually lands as football law prevents justice..
Put simply, if they weren’t cheating, we’d like to know why they think they weren’t.
You’d like to think Peter would like to know as well. After all, he is an honourable man.
Perhaps he does, and perhaps there is a reason that for some reason isn’t in the public domain. Though quite why that reason hasn;t been shared is quite baffling, and therefore one can only assume that the evidence is correct and Celtic PLC was defrauded out of the opportunity to earn millions of pounds of Champions League associated revenue.
For a chief executive officer to ignore this, and thus not act in the interest of shareholders is unforgivable.
And yet Peter is an honourable man…
All of this has been common knowledge among the mainstream Scottish media for quite some time as well. Theres nothing on the Res12 site that has not been in the folders of mainstream Scottish hacks.
For whatever reason, and I suspect the fact that it would have meant they’d actually have to do some actual work on the story has as much to do with any editorial or other censorship on the story, they have chosen to ignore any pleas to even mention the issue, let alone ask questions.
Why ?
The commonly held view is that the cash cow of the two Glasgow giants must be preserved, for the good of the game. A view which is perhaps shared by the Celtic board, and perhaps thats why the media won’t touch it.
The SFA don’t want it out there. “rangers ” don;t want it out there, and if, as I am beginning to suspect, Celtic don;t want it out there either, then we are on the point of realising that you, me and everyone else who pays into Scottish football are paying into a game that is beyond repair.
On a much wider scale, football itself is under investigation as an industry.
The bloated billion pound world game has been infiltrated by didgy agents, dodgy money and worst of all, dodgy people who prey on vulnerable children.
The latter, of course, is the one that makes the news.
According to Michael Calvin in his book No Hunger in Paradise, around 250 clubs are being investigated for child abuse.
More than five hundred players have come forward with allegations.
In Football Leaks, an expose of the dirty deals within the game, and tax avoidance at a level that would make even David Murray blink in a mixture of astonishment and admiration, money is regularly washed and put away offshore where governments cannot see it, and where schools, hospitals and social projects cannot get at it.
The bigger picture suggests that football is now ruled, regulated and reported on by people who are acting in their own interests, and not in the interests of players, supporters and those who work behind the scenes at clubs up and down this country, and up and down several others.
those for whom the game is still actually a game, and not a business.
Have I digressed ?
No, not really.
Not at all in fact.
Celtic PLC , marketed as a club like no other, are in fact, a club just like every other.
Chucking a few quid at charities every Christmas does not change the fact that the board represent their own interests first.
That few quid, whilst welcome, is in fact merely a PR excercise designed to convince us that we are unique, that we do have a club unlike any other.
When it comes to deciding which side they are really on, the board and the CEO will always claim to be acting in the best interests of the club.
The evidence on the Res12 website suggests they weren’t, they aren’t and they have got absolutely no intention of ever doing so.
Season books are up for renewal, and it might be an idea to hold off confirming your renewal for a while.
Funny that.
Next season we’ll be going for a second nine in a row, and the launchpad for a unique ten.
Which Celtic fan would want to risk missing out on his seat for these seasons ?
Before you buy, ask yourself this, what assurances can Celtic provide ST purchasers that what is still going on at SFA, ie covering up fraud in 2011 has stopped and not influencing SFA decisions?
You know, I think Peter knows that most , if not all , will renew, and I think Peter took that into account before finally deciding that he would let us know he had no intention of taking Resolution 12 any further.
And Peter is an honourable man ?
RALPH
Hmmm,yes…
That CQN article doesn’t mention Res 12,nor the website.
As for Peter,the honourable man. Good allegory. Mark Antony alluded to Brutus and his co-conspirators in such a way. It didn’t end well for them.
More chillingly,Don Vito Corleone referred to his fellow Dons the same way in The Godfather. They were eating with the fishes before too long!
Meanwhile,in other news,my take on the Broonie charge,if I may again beg your indulgence.
https://sentinelcelts.com/2019/04/05/broonie-charged-with-ripping-the-pish/
Name check to William Shakespeare?
During the 90’s and the Asterix years was the time that I attended Celtic Park the most, leaving Belfast in the wee hours of the morning of a game, on crap boats, getting on even shittier buses, rolling up at Celtic Park, and getting back home in the wee hours. i don’t need to mention that the days where shite, and not because of the travel as i’d do it all again, but because of the lack of investment of the Board, are you listening Peter. Then the Asterix years, anyone who has to travel to Celtic loves it, we complain, but we love it, but its bloody expensive, and we were paying into a fixed game, all supporters where, we most have spent millions paying into a fixed game just so as the associations team had a chance of winning. Peter a chara, pretty please, with sugar on top, push Res 12 for all our sakes, for if you don’t, they will do the exact same thing again and I do not want my kids or grandkids watching a fixed game.
Well said fra stone. I’ve said for years why can’t the celtic fans not sue the SFA for allowing this corruption all the while we where paying good money for season tickets year after year for a game that was meant to be on a level playing field but obviously wasn’t and the corrupt SFA and other knew fine we’ll it wasn’t
When you turn a blind eye to corruption, the smell of it follows you around, they must feel dirty because of it, are they able to relax because of it, can they sleep at night because of fearing that it all might come out? I couldn’t, I know that. If you allow yourself to be tarnished by corruption, can you turn your blind eye to it, could it happen again? It seems to me that it could leave yourself open to blackmail, to follow, follow or face the consequences. When you choose the path of corruption you open up a huge can of worms, you never know when the worms will slither out of the can. It is the Celtic supporters unending generosity that donates to a huge variety of good causes, them and them alone. To renew or not to renew your season ticket or attend any SFA games is an individual choice, no-one else can make that choice. If it happens again, they will just bring in a new, bright top manager and several new shiny players to deflect and to dazzle and life will continue as before… treading that well worn path…
Some very good points there Mike and clearly stated.
The game appears to be in the hands of the money men and not the football men.
How will it all end?
C’mon the Hoops
Thank You Tourtenay, I know how I hope it will end, but…?
Luckily the IDEs of March have passed. Mind watch out for that Cato, he ain’t honourable. The Board should have acted before now as the SFA/SPL can act with impunity against Celtic, ie the charges against Brown. What will it take for the worms to turn?
Davie, Where’s Yer Warchest?
Ah’ve just flown in wi’ some duds tae buy
Ah’m no’ very rich but Ah’m awfy fly
The Peepul shout as Ah go by
‘Gonny sign some bruisers?’
Let the wind blaw high, let the wind blaw low
Through the streets in ma sash Ah go
The Peepul shout:’Hullo, hullo!’
As they fa’ oot o’ the boozers.
Ah met wi’ the fans in the Orange hall
But kept ma back pressed tae the wall
In case they could see Ah was worth fuck all
‘Cos the arse was oot ma troosers
Let the wind blaw high, let the wind blaw low
Through the free transfer list Ah go
The Peepul shout:’Hullo, hullo!’
But beggars can’t be choosers.
Ah said Ah was aff tae London town
Tae see if investors could be found
As if anyone would gie a pound
Tae sectarian abusers!
Let the wind blaw high, let the wind blaw low
Back tae SA wi’ their money Ah go
The Peepul still shout:’Hullo, hullo!’
Whit a bunch o’ fuckin’ losers!
HaHaHa, Brilliant.
RSP, brilliant mate. One of your best yet!
Just hilarious R St Parsley. Best laugh I’ve had all day.
Thanks lads. Does anyone know what happened to Christina who used to post here and on Pat Anderson’s site? She was talking about her own blog – any sign of it?
There’s a Christina that posts on Sentinel Celts but not sure if its the same one.
Thanks Cha, I’ll have a look.
Well Said Ralph
I would suggest it will all happen again to stop 9 and 10,they will fling lots of money at it, money they don’t have and even if they did, the SFA with the financial fair Play should have already been onto them,since they formed 6 or 7 years ago they have posted losses but the SFA won’t do anything, other countries do but ours won’t.
If Peter is at it appears as I always suspected, leading us all on over Resolution 12 can we ever believe anything he actually says again? It appears he is covering it up to protect someone, who? They better bloody batter the SFA over this Broonie being charged nonsense. Real Celtic men stand up and are counted fighting for our club, like wee Fergus. I don’t want to call Peter a liar but it’s how i feel.
Anyone got a spare for the semi-final?
Signed,
Olivier Ntcham, France under 21 international footballer.
Yawn…ffs
Oh, the irony of “The Scottish Football Association” charging Scott Brown, “shall act in the best interests of Association Football”.
Meanwhile over in Govan, the convicted criminal continues his merry dance to bypass and ignore every football rule ever legislated.
As President Walter Mitty McRae continues his friendship with EBT McLeish and Putrid stands idly by waiting patiently to take up his Presidency.
Peter maybe an honourable man, in a myopic society where the need of the greater good gets trotted out as reason why we must accept; the unacceptable, the fraud or the complete absence of a moral compass displayed in the decisions made by the human beings chosen to lead. We must then chastise those leaders for their failings ? at least what we perceive as failings. Hindsight is a wonderful tool to destroy a leader but we are where we are. I for one am enjoying these days in the sun. Forgiveness is not strained it drops like rain…..it is twice blessed… on he that receives and he that gives. Looking back in anger will give you a sore neck and make you miss the glory of today and the days to come. God bless all who love Celtic and who have worked so hard to create that which we love. With the exception of Mo Johnstone, I forgive them all for their every human failing which they have displayed, every missed penalty, every missed sitter and every error of judgement made at a time of uncertainty and vulnerability. We are Celtic. We stand together. Come on you boys in green.
ile forgive thum efter they crawl oot thur zombie graves and compensate us for thur thievery
I’m a great believer in the power of forgiveness myself. I’ve experienced its benefits.
However for forgiveness to apply there has to be a recognition that wrong took place in the first place, otherwise nothing to forgive.
There has been a covering up of wrong, a huge wrong to our game, and until that is acknowledged as opposed to pretending it didn’t happen or was just an administration error as opposed to a huge breach of trust by RFC under SDM, then it’s too early to forgive.
Same applies to Celtic custodians.
Without truth there can be no reconciliation via forgiveness.
It’s about getting there.
auldheid thats wot a ment ha ha ha ha
Spot on AULDHEID
It’s the absence of acceptance of responsibility and contrition for the wrong doing that makes forgiveness impossible.
The inescapable result of these omissions is that the bastard offspring of the late club that played out of Ibrox has legitimised the sense of victimhood that the Hunnish Hordes have adopted and has given credence to the Continuation Myth.
Without accepting that a massive wrong was done and owning the guilt the SFA and the successive Charlatans that have paraded through the Crumbledome have legitimised the thuggish and sectarian behaviour of the unsavoury majority of the Zombies. It is not a minority as the mejia would have us believe. The siege mentality of the denizens of the Blue Room and the Media Statement od Dodgy Dave from South of the Border down Limpopo way, serve only to incentivise the thugs in their deluded victimhood. It’s a game to Auld squinty, deflection tactics to preoccupy the masses and evade scrutiny.
It will never change until the SFA is gutted cleanand SEVCO is erased from the landscape. If another club rises Phoenix like from it’s ashes. Scottish Football, Clubs and Society at large must insist on closer monitoring of it’s business methods and scrutiny of it’s social influence.
Pl & the Board will do SFA. It will be up to the Resolutioners and the Supporters, Crowd funding, to drive this ahead. I think most of us always knew this.
Hail Hail.
Spot on AULDHEID
It’s the absence of acceptance of responsibility and contrition for the wrong doing that makes forgiveness impossible.
The inescapable result of these omissions is that the bastard offspring of the late club that played out of Ibrox has legitimised the sense of victimhood that the Hunnish Hordes have adopted and has given credence to the Continuation Myth.
Without accepting that a massive wrong was done and owning the guilt the SFA and the successive Charlatans that have paraded through the Crumbledome have legitimised the thuggish and sectarian behaviour of the unsavoury majority of the Zombies. It is not a minority as the mejia would have us believe. The siege mentality of the denizens of the Blue Room and the Media Statement od Dodgy Dave from South of the Border down Limpopo way, serve only to incentivise the thugs in their deluded victimhood. It’s a game to Auld squinty, deflection tactics to preoccupy the masses and evade scrutiny.
It will never change until the SFA is gutted cleanand SEVCO is erased from the landscape. If another club rises Phoenix like from it’s ashes. Scottish Football, Clubs and Society at large must insist on closer monitoring of it’s business methods and scrutiny of it’s social influence.
Pl & the Board will do SFA. It will be up to the Resolutioners and the Supporters, Crowd funding, to drive this ahead. I think most of us always knew this.
Hail Hail.
Spot on AULDHEID
It’s the absence of acceptance of responsibility and contrition for the wrong doing that makes forgiveness impossible.
The inescapable result of these omissions is that the bastard offspring of the late club that played out of Ibrox has legitimised the sense of victimhood that the Hunnish Hordes have adopted and has given credence to the Continuation Myth.
Without accepting that a massive wrong was done and owning the guilt the SFA and the successive Charlatans that have paraded through the Crumbledome have legitimised the thuggish and sectarian behaviour of the unsavoury majority of the Zombies. It is not a minority as the mejia would have us believe. The siege mentality of the denizens of the Blue Room and the Media Statement od Dodgy Dave from South of the Border down Limpopo way, serve only to incentivise the thugs in their deluded victimhood. It’s a game to Auld squinty, deflection tactics to preoccupy the masses and evade scrutiny.
It will never change until the SFA is gutted cleanand SEVCO is erased from the landscape. If another club rises Phoenix like from it’s ashes. Scottish Football, Clubs and Society at large must insist on closer monitoring of it’s business methods and scrutiny of it’s social influence.
Pl & the Board will do SFA. It will be up to the Resolutioners and the Supporters, Crowd funding, to drive this ahead. I think most of us always knew this.
Hail Hail.
Would send that diary to every single inbox on the planet,if I had the wit to do so…..Keep it going,it will buckle under the pressure.as was seen last sunday,keep it f–king going.
The greatest obstacle to us getting any justice within Scottish Football is the Orange Order. A former sevco director Ahmed Khan, Charles Green’s “wee P*** friend” on absconding to is homeland informed us that ” Rangers and the SFA are
by the OO”
If the body which administrates our sport is in the clutches of this vile group then it is this mould which will require breaking before any real progress can be made.
It puzzles me why Khan’s remarks were not grabbed and highlighted more at the time he uttered them.
I cannot see how we break this stranlehold they have. Blaming our board is all very well but what do they do?
Do we cut off our nose to spite our face?
As they blunder on getting into deeper shit, i say let them. If we continue to hurt them on the park by winning then hopefully we’ll wear them down.
They are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel at this moment are they not?
HH
ralph so what happens if peter dis fuckall dis it go tae the courts and how could we make that happen
Should read “Rangers and the SFA are controlled by the OO”
I have several things to say today so I shall break them up into smaller posts, through fear of vanishing into cyberspace!
The arrival of the Res12 site is a welcome addition and hopefully will move this issue forward. Having read it, I must say that it is a big improvement on an earlier version. It is clearly laid out. Of course, being a retired academic, I cannot let it rest without adding some critique, constructively, I hope! Firstly, item 2.2 on EBTs, fails to convince me that this has anything to do with the licence issue. To my simple mind, it is a separate issue. Sure, it is one more aspect of poor governance, but it is separate from the issuing of a European licence. Including it on the site will only diffuse debate in a way that is counterproductive.
Secondly, the arrival of the website provides the opportunity to broaden interest in the issue by including the views of fans of all Scottish clubs, not just Celtic and Rangers. Without this happening, I fear the issue is dead. Although the impact on other clubs is mentioned in the site, it seems to me it should have more punch. The best chance of this going somewhere is if the fans of other clubs become involved.
Rebus
REBUS67
I think I can safely say that fans of other clubs have been kept in the loop on this one.
The Conclusions were intended to draw the reader into understanding how they were reached by looking at the related period.
The related period further on in Part 5 shows that had proper licensing procedure been followed by RFC then SFA would have had in their possession in May 2011 information that should have been provided to SPL in March 2012.
If they had, why were SPL not told of earliest ebt to De Boer that would have made dates of scrutiny start on 30 August 2011 rather than 23 November 2011? More important though is that the May HMRC letter makes accusations that would have made it impossible for LNS to declare no question of dishonesty in his Decision.
On the other hand if SFA were not provided by that May 2011 letter then RFC were in breach of club licensing rules. Non disclosure of that 20th May 2011 letter allowed RFC to make another false statement in June 2011 in their monitoring submission.
Its a bit like tig someone is definitely het.
However a reference to Part 5 in 2.2 would help avoid puzzlement, thanks.
The decision was to open Res12 up to the court of public opinion as an Archive rather than a blog or forum with comments and let the public form their own opinion rather than lead them.
What is happening now is opinion forming outside the Res12 bubble and in the process widening ownership of the issues.
On reaching supporters of other clubs the Scottish Football Monitor is the vehicle for that
https://www.sfm.scot/accountability-via-transparency/ but there’s a bit more paddling going on umder the surface too.
Key to making progress will be CSA and CST making fair governance a stated policy and forming a representative group to seek it along with other supporter associations. That is part of the paddling.
Auldheid,
I understand the connection now that you explained it and pointed me to Part 5 on the website. Perhaps, I am just thick but I did not immediately see the justification for 2.2 being in there. To see that connection, one has to wade through some heavy duty language that would please a lawyer. I wonder how many will bother, especially fans of other clubs.
I am not being negative for the sake of it, merely pointing out my experience in traversing the material. But, perhaps, I am just thick with a short attention span.
As usual, good luck with your efforts,
Rebus
Mick,
Tx for the info. I sincerely hope that something positive comes out of the website.
Rebus
How much is it for a ride mister? Can we stop for a candy floss?
Blessed are those who play for France under 21’s
Gawn yersell Awesome Odsonne.
Our CEO may or may not be an honourable man, but he is certainly a pragmatic one. Let us look at the Res12 issue from his perspective as guardian of the club. Part of his job is project a positive image of the club within/without Scottish football. Suppose it is proven beyond doubt that Rangers provided false/misleading information in order to obtain a licence in 2011. Celtic(and other clubs) were deprived of revenue as a result. In Celtic’s case, it would be millions. How many would depend on how far we went in the competition, but it would be a worthwhile wedge of cash. For the other clubs, it would have been revenue from the Europa, and, given the performance of Scottish clubs in trying to qualify for that tournament, they would not lose out on much. Some go out in the first round to a minnow and actually lose money. So, financially, this is a Celtic issue.
So here we have arrived at the point where Rangers either cheated or misled the SFA, or that the SFA colluded with the club to issue a licence. How does Lawell proceed to get compensation? Does he join the list of petitioners to obtain a percentage of the funds from the carcass of the dead club? Does he push the issue that the new club has assumed responsibility for Rangers’ debts? In either option, after court costs, is he going to win significant funds? Alternatively, let’s say he goes after the SFA. Can a club sue its own association? Even if the club was able to win its case, could the association pay without calling on all clubs to increase their membership contributions? How would Celtic be regarded under these circumstances?
I do not claim to know the workings of PL’s mind, but I would be surprised if similar thoughts have not crossed his mind and those on the Board.
Rebus
Rebus
Its not about compensation, its about accountability. Its about telling the SFA via their member club they cannot do as they please and sacrifice the integrity of the game , a point Peter Lawwwell has himself made, on the alter of commercialism or good bank balance.
Celtic for many are about being above that when deciding what is right.
However if Celtic are going to sue anyone it should be Grant Thornton the auditors who have Liability Insurance and provided the proof that enable the SFA to grant the licence.
Of course they might still claim they were lied to but were they diligent enough? Did they check the position from HMRCs or UEFA’s perspective before providing proof or did they just accept RFC’s word? That is were I’d go, even suggested it.
As I said its not the money. The only hard sum lost was 330K euro for playing in the CL qualifying round that we struggled with at EL level.
its about doing the right thing and being accountable if you don’t.
On the basis mistakes are made by folk believing they are doing the right thing I think PL believes he was, but folk who have spent good money to watch a bent game and had to suffer the taunts and consequences (as PL had to as well) don’t see it that way.
There have been opportunities to lay this to rest, suggestions made but in a silence or lack of action folk make their own minds up
Auldheid,
I know what the intent of Res12 is/was. I was outlining how PL and the Board may be thinking about it. In summary, they may see no benefits financially from taking action. The same may be true on the governance front.
Long time ago I tried to get some consulting from a government department. My proposal was based upon how the future should be, optimally. I failed because I did not understand how the government thought and optimising was not it.
I see similarities here,
Rebus
Rebus ,
or , could it be that Celtic , aware of the impending financial Tsunami heading Govan way took the long term view that a short term loss (CL participation ) was preferable to a future with no Rangers ?
Were they actually kept in the loop re the scam and reluctantly agreed to ” step aside ” with the goal of allowing Rangers their only real opportunity to survive and hence the “old firm ” brand to survive ?
Could PL ( if such was true and was ever to be uncovered) argue that the board made such a decision in their view , in the best long term interests of Celtic PLC ?
Could the above explain Celtic’s clear reticence in taking res 12 forward ?
I think I mentioned this scenario to Auldheid in the past and he didn’t see it ; for me I merely see it as a possibility among other possibilities , yet it would explain our Clubs obvious discomfort with this whole issue .
Just a thought ,
were the above to be true or near to the truth it may also explain the Club’s avoidance of any other contentious issues i.e. same club myth ,title stripping etc .
” Push us (rangers /SFA ) on any of these issues and we’ll leak your collusion to your fans ”
Just a thought .
If this is true, that Celtic stepped aside to allow the OldCo to access European revenues as a financial life line, it is not just a pragmatic decision by the Board but an accessory before the fact to a act of fraud or obtaining money by deception.
Perhaps that is the reason for the prevarication. Could it be that The Board in the guise of PL was also signatory to the 5way devils pact.
What is DD’s opinion? As Celtic’s largest shareholder, in theory, he potentially lost the most money. Why wouldn’t he act on this? He is known to be not reluctant to go down the litigation route.
Answers on a large postcard please.
Hail Hail
jimboh ,
I put this forward as a possibility only as of date there is no evidence , however the problem I have with Rebus scenario above is that it would lend to Celtic ” holding all the aces ” – i.e.” We (Celtic ) have evidence ( provided by res 12 bhoys ) of corruption /collusion re Euro licence ; we could pursue through legal channels , however we’d be willing to let it lie on condition of —- !”
This unfortunately bears no relation to what is currently happening “on the ground “.
They are the ones who seem emboldened , confrontational and agitating for a fight versus a somewhat mute ( cowed ?) Celtic ; lending more to my suggested scenario i.e. THEM appearing to be ” holding all the aces “.
As I say , I may be well off mark with my suggestion but as yet I ain’t read any explanation of Celtic’s inaction that would satisfy me .
jimboh
I have replied to your post but it appears to have gone AWOL 🙂
jimboh ,
was just basically saying that with Rebus suggestion above , even if it were not prudent to chase them through courts just the threat of that possibility together with having gained such damning evidence – would have given our club some leverage with these people ??
However we all know and as evidenced just the last few days this most certainly does NOT appear to be the case .
In fact it is they (rangers / SFA /MSM ) who seem emboldened , confrontational , agitating for a fight against a mute almost at times cowed Celtic. You’d be forgiven for assuming they had an ace or two up their sleeves .
I don’t recall not seeing it.
Indeed I blogged about it under an analogy of 12 men in a boat with 11 sick and only one fit enough to row to shore to save all 12.
I didn’t want to believe but I certainly didn’t rule it out without having evidence to back the idea up.
Apologies if it wasn’t you who replied negatively to my post on this suggestion way back ;
thus the reason I put ” I think” in post above ( it was some time back last year from memory).
It had been a reply to a post of yours and remember receiving a negative reply going into great detail but the main thrust being along the lines of ” I think it highly unlikely “etc etc – so as I said apologies on mixing up my reply to your post and whoever’s reply to my reply to your post 🙂
Actually it’s a relief to know someone else HAS had similar thoughts and I maybe am not getting carried away with conspiracy theories 🙂
Jpm88
In 2009 when we lost the title the thought entered my head it was deliberate.
It was based on us winning the LC in Feb beating Rangers without JVOH but performances afterwards where an unfit JVOH was played and as much use as a plank of wood.
That was the failure to sign Fletcher year.
But with no proof it wasn’t an argument I felt worth making, just another suspicion.
Then in 2011 was it with the title in sight we lose to ICT in Inverness.
It’s a bit like you think your partner is cheating but denial takes over but you do wonder.
There are two possibilities for PLs reluctance.
1. UEFA were in the know from Sept 2011 that something dodgy had happened in March having discussed with SFA (see 19 Sep 2011 in Archive ) and told PL to keep the lid on in response to his letter of 25th May to SFA cc UEFA see 7th Sept 2017 in Archive.
That chimes with something said at a meeting about taking Res12 to UEFA ‘you don’t want to bite the hand that feeds you’. Eh?
Or
PL is somehow compromised on the lines of a speculation that might be true but is not evidence backed as the UEFA alternative from the Archive.
The interesting thing is the 25th May 2012 letter to SFA cc UEFA was never mentioned at any time in any meetings with Celtic and the only reason I can think of is we would have asked what did UEFA say? Not something Celtic would want known widely.
If I did dismiss anything it was because I only dealt in “knowns” because opinions can just be ignored because that is what they are if not backed by reasons.
In setting out the above I’m not arguing for or against PL but saying there is enough evidence to suggest not only Celtic knew about Rangers precarious position although for UEFA they only had an inkling from Sept 2011.
Jpm,
Could be true. Very, very murky if so.
Somebody knows. My point is that to get the club to move on this, we must understand why they have not up to the present.
If we cannot get movement on the 2011/12 issue then perhaps we agree to leave it in exchange for action on FFP today(and last season). Essentially, try turning negativity into a positive.
Rebus
Celtic plc: FFS gut the sfa, Get RES 12 resolved in our favour.
thanks
concerned shareholder and season ticket holder.
PS oh and shred the SFA on the Broonie charge
Buzz Bomb,
The “it” you refer to is already out there!
I agree may be the game is beyond repair. Should Sevco have been issued a licence last year? I doubt it.
Rebus
🙂
When the biggest, wealthiest club in Scotland shuns or deflects from the truth, then we are truly fecked. Can you imagine a fud like McRae, Petrie, Regan or Maxwell holding sway over Celtic plc. I cannot
I simply cannot believe that, that is possible, so what is their reasoning behind their silence? Money, the root of all evils, don’t threaten the income streams, whatever happened, happened, just lets move on. But how can we “move on” because to move on is a betrayal, a betrayal of all those that follow on behind us, the future generation of Celtic supporters. But you simply cannot tell the mainstream Celtic support not to follow the club that they hold dear, at Hamden watching semi’s or finals. So you must explain your reasons for challenging those in the SFA that cheated the club of C.L. monies. To me advertising is one way to do so, if you can find an advertiser, if you cannot, you seek out volunteers (great word) to spread your message at the turnstiles, by printed leaflets, to raise banners and seek publicity outside Hamden or on the T.V. The website is just the one tool in your armoury. The CSA, the C.T. is another, along with a concerted, simple blogging message and the message must be raised once again at the AGM in Nov. Seek out those with shares, get their unified backing, do your utmost for those that come behind.
Buzz Bomb, I had nothing but love for your namesake, he was one of my all time Celtic heros, he will be musing on his plinth, nodding his head in appreciation of your post. “Love The Celtic”.
So, here is where I am on all of this. The club believe there is no compo in pursuing Res12. Is that enough to stop them progressing it? Shame on them if it is. Or is it that they were involved in dirty deeds at the intro of Sevco?
I simply do not know.
Rebus
If it helps the Resolutioners at this years AGM I have 750 ordinary shares that they can use to bring pressure onto the Celtic board, my son has the same. Auldheid you are very welcome to use them as you see fit. # Shares to be used at this years AGM for Res. 12.
Auldheid,
They’ll be stolen, dinnae touch them.
He’s alright for a 60″ plasma tay, ken like…
😉
Peter Lawwell is, IMHO, an absolute CUNT. I’ve NEVER thought differently. On your header, Ralph, you have the quote from Ghandi, re “honourable man”.
So let’s arrange the acid test; confront him with our general views, that he is a complete cunt, a liar, a cheat, a defender of the hun myth, et cetera and watch his reaction.
If it’s “oh, I’m sorry, I’ve been under a lot of strain for some years now, but I WILL NOW TAKE RES.12 FORWARD, and will give it my full attention until that fucking scum are finished….”, then I’ll retract every bad word I’ve ever said against the cunt, and there are many. But if, as I expect, he’ll either walk away laughing or say he’s got nothing to apologise for, then Celtic supporters MUST act to get this cunt out the door PRONTO. At Celtic, he’s probably gone from being PART of the problem to all of it.
Now let me think, “Time for Change” anyone.
HH
Would you aye?
CS, I’d jump at it.
Hendry plus a Fiver for McKenna to stay ‘up North’.
Two birds with but a single stone. 🙂
Free up some readies for the QUALITY CBs we are crying out for. Great shout if Benkovic loan deal can be extended for another year; FFS, even Slabhead Monti would have to agree with THAT. Twat!
HH
TicToc,
That’s not very nice of you……i’m deeply offended 🙂
Brilliant that from NFL, fucking brilliant. Well posted CS.
Oh to have THAT sort of response from the Boardroom.
But that’ll not happen so get them tae fuck and replace them with Celtic supporters.
HH
Heart ruling head but would give NFL either the job or with someone on the basis of that press conference alone.
Hack… “Are you surprised at rangers appealing Kent’s red card “?
NFL…”Yes”
Hack…”Why”?
Spit fixtures are tough… was hoping we could have used some development squad… McIndoe, Welsh, for example. Get it sorted for CL just now. The best way, bar none, to get back at this corrupt game is to keep winning… they hate it.
Hold….hold…….hold……..
Monti “Hold….hold…….hold…….”, trying to talk himself out of ‘eating all the pies’…..
1st hold, looks away from pies, salivating, eats some ’emergency’ crisps and peanuts…….
2nd hold, still looking away, “FFS, the aroma, drivin’ me nuts, just think of….Emergency bag…..” Delves into bag and necks 3 Mars bars, 2 french hens, a partridge and a pear tree. Washed down wi’ a glassae Buckie.
But it’s insufficient…….
3rd hold, “come on, I can do this challenge…..AW NAW, Mammy,HELP!” ….and races into the pie shop, outstretched arms and pleading coupon, “wull ye no’ gi’e me a’thing ye’ve goat left?, ah’m starvin’!” Again and again…….
Who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies? You fat bastard, you fat bastard you ate all the pies.
BTW, I did laugh out loud at your “universally challenged”, on the back of previous assertions regarding my chances on Bamber Gascoigne’s once famous show. (I’ll take a punt here that he’s NO relation of the fucking Geordie clown)
HH
Don’t interrupt me when i’m eating…..Gazza.
MWAHAHAHA
Interesting and, I assume, this was approved by Lawwell, given that the Brown case is “sub-judice”.
Perhaps come the summer Neil can be appointed PRO, as sure as hell, Lawwell ain’t for talking publicly.
The Cha,
You may want to talk TicToc through ‘ Subjudice ‘ 🙂
Buzz cock,
I welcome your chase…..
Also this Nostradumus like self appraisal of being ‘ in the know ‘ is a lot of shite.
The reality is you knew fuck all but suspected a lot.
Wooooooooo….yoda beware.
Weered, Violence is never the answer 🙂
He’s a twat, just like you!
BB,
“He” =Gringo
Weered,
I read his post, glanced to be more accurate & found it basically pish.
I see Charlie Saiz & TicToc have joined his numbnut posse.
Fucking hell, Dumb & Dumbers part 3 🙂
What’s a TV licence?
I haven’t bought a single one in my life….:)
” 8 year olds dude “
Paranoid much? Fuckwit. This great site ain’t just about you and your empty vessel of a head spouting meaningless nothings. Away and keep begging for spare tickets to those charitable and kind enough to tolerate you.
You bring to mind my one of my favourite James Brown songs, “Talkin’ Loud An’ Sayin’ Nothin'”.
🙂
This site is definetely not about me, can’t argue about the pie packed belly tho….
Did you know your mother calls me the oven…..at least it sounded like that, her mouth was full at the time
🙂
Steve Buscemi’s character in ‘ the big Lebowski ‘
He fly’s roon the pitch, wi the greatest of ease,
Jules Oliver Ntcham, wi the funny wee knees,
Some think he’s got talent, but he’s no fur me,
Cos he walks like an elephant, wi legs like a tree.
If he is a player, I will doff him my cap,
But his een are so close the gither, he must be as blind as a bat,
So come on dear bhoy’s and show him you care,
Take off your breeks, your arses to bare.
F.F.F. Fine bhoy’s yeh are.
There’s no doubt he’s a very good player but this doesn’t help us in the long term.
We should be looking for a permanent CB partnership that’ll persist for a few years else we’re scrabbling about every summer for replacements just as the crucial CL qualifiers get under way.
Bénis sont les grands nez
Fermez votre visage gras.
Va te faire foutre
Son massif et puant.
Monti al the love…, my fellow Celtic brothers and sisters please be careful and look after each other. There were 9 of us stabbed on Sunday and not 3 as reported. Look after each other and please be safe. Ralph if you read this please mention in the diary. Hail! Haill! X
Last post disappeared for some reason. Anyway Monti all the love brother. There were nine of us stabbed on Sunday and not three as reported. This was all in full view of families out for mother’s day. It was horrific and I am worried!/sure that this will happen again. There is a new and real threat from them until they are jailed and off our beautiful streets of Glasgow.Brothers and Sisters please look out for each other and stay safe. LOVE YOU ALL! Hail! Hail! X Ralph if you get this please post in the diary. X
The J,
Likewise comrade!
Me and a couple of mates were in the Merchant City at the same time as the lads were attacked in a nearby pub.
Totally out of order & sadly expected of these cunts.
HH
Condamme a l’infer sont tout les nez bleu
condemne (e acute) showing my lack of skills on the keyboard.
embuddy ken hoo tae chinge keyburd tae froggie speak?
Pmsl. Eh enri… jimboh what do you think of the serious posts above?
Today will be our last fixture before the split as we take on a happy Livi side who have had a surprisingly good season culminating in the consolidation of their place in the top flight. Their home record is impressive while their away stats are piss poor (they haven’t clocked up a win on the road since last August). The good news is we don’t have to face them at the Tony Macafuckinroni so they will have no unfair advantage over us. With a solid defence and a very useful keeper in Liam Kelly, no team has thrashed them this season – in fact only our good selves, Killie and the huns have let in fewer goals than them so far – but let’s see if we can give them a right good going over this afternoon. Two of their stand-out players at the moment are CB Craig Halkett and striker Ryan Hardie, who happen to be their top scorers this season with 6 and 7 league goals respectively. Having a CB as your second top scorer says a lot. Both scored the other night aganst Hamilton, both will definitely feature against us today and both will be leaving the club in the summer (Halkett has signed pre-contract with the Edinburgh huns while loanee Hardie might well re-join the mankies). They might also get a lift from the return of veteran Italian winger de Vita, who was out for nearly a year with knee ligament damage.
This is an important game as we can win the league tomorrow if the monkeys fuck up at Fir Park. We definitely don’t want to bungle this one as there would be no excuse given Livi’s abysmal away record. In some way it could also be considered as a sort of dress rehearsal for the big game against the sheep in the semi next weekend. We should definitely be getting stronger again as more and more players come back from injury. The Lions don’t really have anything to play for now so have no real need to park the bus but they probably will anyway. I know they’re a very physical team but let’s hope they don’t play as dirty as they did last time on their patch and that the ref exercises full control over players prone to over-enthusiastic challenges. I wouldn’t risk KT today to make sure that he’ll be okay for Hampden and it would be good to see Tony Ralston on the bench as he is now back playing reserve football again. I’d like to see Rogic introduced in the 2nd half. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a highly entertaining match for a change with plenty of crisp, fast flowing football and a few goals to boot!
Bain
Lustig Benkovic Ajer Hayes
Forrest Brown McGregor Sinclair
Christie
Edouard
Subs: De Vries, Ralston, Simunovic, Ntcham, Rogic, Weah, Burke
Prediction: Tic 4 Livi 0 (Christie 2, Sinclair, Edouard)
COYBIG
Morning Yoker,
Do you think we need to play four at the back, at home in domestic football?
I’d like us to go 3-4-3 or 3-5-2
For me i’d go 3-4-3 today.
Bain
Simunovic
Benkovic
Ajer
Forrest
McGregor
NTCHAM – France under 21
Sinclair
Burke
Edouard
Weah
7-1
Morning Monti, 4 at the back probably isn’t necessary against the likes of Livi but all 4 that I selected are comfortable with the bañl at their feet and like to carry it forward. As I said before, this game could come in handy by way of preparatoon for Aberdeen. Your XI looks pretty good but I’m not too sure about Ntcham. 🙂
Yoker auld bean, I did reply, but best just to ignore the dafty, he kens SFA about football, a bit like the SFA.
Say no more my auld sweet Yoker,
Say no more, the battles over,
Keeping good, so keep it lit,
Another win until the split. HAHAHA. 😉 French Eddy Rules.
Can’t get the thought oot ma heid Mikey that tomorrow we can become champions yet again. M’well are quite capable of seriously punishing the huns at home, especially a hun team weakened by suspensions. GIRFUT
Their record, the Huns is not any better than before, but there is no doubt but the Hun hordes are ragin. Its the hope that kills them. Like the Grand auld Duke, at the seasons start they are up, but as reality bites they get more and more angry. The bhoys out in Gleasga have to be very, very careful and alert, don’t want them to get hurt, sleekit fuckwits. So yes GIRUT. All the best mate. Ntcham, Ntcham, Ntcham. 😉
😉
Just watched the Neil Lennon press conference in full, refreshing to see his answers contain the bite that is missing at Celtic.
Well done Lenny, keep it up!
HH
Here he comes leading the team,
Puffed out chest, looking lean and mean,
He gives them all that famous stare,
Leading out the Celtic, man that’s rare, rare, rare.
Poison Ivy Poison Ivy.
He’s in the huddle giving it big,
Fuckin the Huns is his gig,
Broonies Da mahn, he’s strong and tall,
Watch out fuckers when he’s on the ball,
Poison Ivy Poison Ivy,
Give it to them, its what they need,
Studs up brother make them bleed,
And at the end, when its over,
The team wearing green, with the four leaf clover,
That’s the team who’s won, the battles over.
Poison Ivy Poison Ivy,
Everyone is allergic too Poison Ivy,
The League is won, number eight,
That’s fuckin great init mate,
Watch out for Poison Ivy.
Morning Mikey, hope all’s well. How do you reckon we’ll get on today?
Morning Yoker, All is good mate, and same to you. It must be difficult to motivate the team for the last few games. Mentally and physically they will be feeling drained, after the past few games. Since the break, WOW a great record, Lenny has said that he is not going to interfere in any way or change what Brendan had the players playing, for me that was the right thing to do. If he gets the job at the end of the season then he will put his own mark on it. Lustig looked injured when he came off at Paisley so he might be rested. I like Timmo’s energy and what Christie brought to the team was brilliant. I would like to see Odsonne up front with Olli Burke and he might rest some other players. Brendan wanted to keep a small squad of first team players but the amount of games they play, they must refresh the team. So we might even see Bitton play. But another win in the road to 8. I’m looking forward to the game, hope you enjoy it mate, all the very best. Looking forward to a big, big team build in the summer…
Hopefully getting to the cup final can serve as good motivation once the league has been officially won. The sheep’ll be a tough nut to crack in the semi though. When the meaningless games begin I just want to be entertained by good football and maybe see a couple more of our young prospects vying for a place in the team. Lenny’s doing okay but I’ll reserve judgement until the end of the season. I also want to see who else could be in the running for the job by then. Enjoy the game too Mikey Bhoy and have a great day!
It will be great motivation, you are right. He might even bring on young Mikey Johnstone, but rest 3-4 first teamers and keep them on the bench just in case. The Dandies are erratic just now, but McInnes will have them up for it. But look at the players coming back into the team, getting Rogic ready and up to speed, would be great. So I’m looking forward to the next few games and see how we do, 90% there for the 3×3. So its “Hi Ho, Hi Ho, its onto the treble we go” 😉
Love to see wee Dembele and Oko-flex see a bit of first-team action before the season’s over.
Morning Yoker auld bean, dinny listen tae that dafty, he kens SFA about fitba. I just ignore him now, its like speaking to a brick wall.
I’m with you on your team, looking good, but I* think that Lustig was struggling and might be injured, so perhaps they will bring on Tolgian. As for the OOLALA HAHAHA mince is the word.
Hope your good mate, enjoy the game.
Say no more my own sweet Yoker,
Say no more and keep it lit,
Say no more the party’s over,
Very soon twill be the split… HAHAHA. 😉 <3
Gerrard wants a wall built to stop spies. But wee Harry must have a peep hole.
Hai un grande naso però