Celtic Diary Wednesday February 20: Reactions, Referees and the Real World

 

Debate and discussion continues to surround the incidents at Rugby Park after Celtic beat Kilmarnock with a late Scott Brown goal.

As for the Kris boyd coin throwing incident, clarification came from Excathedra in the replies..

Ralph,what is behind Boyd is red and white safety tape across rows 1 and 2 behind 2 disabled shelters,I was in row 4 which was the second occupied row.He was initially unaware of coin and did not make a big deal of it.
He could have warmed up in front of Main stand but sought a reaction in my opinion. 

Along with notes from others who were there, this appears to be what happened.

And where.

See how easy it is to clear something up ?

Another note claims that the supporter who confronted Kilmarnock players did make a well known hand gesture towards a Kilmarnock player when he entered the field of play.

That, if correct, explains the Kilmarnock statement about “confrontation “.

There are also reports of misbehaviour after the game, what can best be described as exuberance as the Celtic support made its way out of the ground and into the surrounding streets.

Your fans on Sunday lived up to the finest traditions of Old Firm fans (both sides) – pissing in the street; threatening kids and pensioners; kicking the doors of passing cars; and don’t get me started on the Green Brigade bullshit. 

We’ve all seen it, and its foolish to pretend it doesn’t happen. Whether it did or not, only those at the game will be able to verify.

Thats not to condone it, but we’ve no right to criticise others when we have problems of our own.

To see ourselves as others see us ?

Maybe we should sometimes.

Its clear that there were problems during and after the game.

Late goals in tense game always lead to an expression of joy, or even relief.

A sunday 4pm kick off may have contributed, as it allows for plenty of refreshment ahead of the game, and as always, that will have repercussions.

Quite why the clubs, Celtic in particular,  pander to television companies who provide such a small percentage of total revenue is beyond me. If we do have to play on a Sunday, and Europa participation makes this unavoidable, then a noon or 1pm kick off is plenty late enough, those who want to drink will still have time to drink, and those who don’t , don’t have to.

But thats not to make excuses.

Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, and it gives the media an excuse to use that double sided paint when it comes to tainting the two big Glasgow clubs.

I prefer to see things from as many angles as I can, which is why I do yoga, and as a result, there should be a different viewpoint on the site tomorrow, which will make interesting reading.

You can make your own minds up after that.

 

The big knobs in Scottish football have got around the table and decided that referees aren’t very good after all, and may increase recruitment from other areas that don’t have marches every July.

This is long overdue, although no doubt next month when foreigners aren’t allowed to work in this country, they will claim that they tried, and resort to the traditional method of recruitment involving where candidates received their initial state education.

The BBC said;

The Scottish Football Association will consider changes to refereeing and disciplinary procedures, including proposals to introduce officials from overseas.

It follows a heated meeting between the SFA, the compliance officer and the 12 Scottish Professional Football League premiership clubs on Monday.

BBC Scotland understands an agreement was reached for an SPFL working party to look at fundamental change and report back with proposals.

These could be introduced as early as next season.

A number of clubs expressed concern about the standards of refereeing and are in favour of increasing the pool of grade one referees by calling on officials from England, Wales or even further afield. 

Chris MacLaughlin, who wrote the piece, gave his opinion..

Referees feel under threat – analysis

BBC Scotland’s Chris McLaughlin

Clubs questioning the standard of refereeing in Scottish football is nothing new – it happens to varying levels most years but this year it feels different. Not since 2010 has there been such focus on the failings of officials.

Back then referees felt undermined to such a level that they withdrew their services. Foreign officials stepped in until the dispute was resolved. Could the talk of foreign officials force similar action almost a decade later? It could if the SPFL and the referees can’t find common ground.

There’s little doubt the men in the middle feel under threat. Some clubs will now try to convince them that foreign help could actually be a benefit.

It will be a hard sell in a pretty tense and often toxic landscape. 

Ralph Malph, who wrote this article gave his…

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Keith Jackson of the Record tweeted..

We’re going back down a dangerous road here…

He’s right…what with all those cans flying about..

 

Yet again, the real problem is ignored.

The blazers , whilst appearing to be open to suggestions, have actually buttoned up around the real problem..

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The referees are not of a high standard, and there is little interest in improving the standard. Part time-or amateur -referees do not have the time or the desire to improve.

John Fleming is responsible for the referees in Scotland, and he is doing nothing to improve things.

If we really are serious about widening the field of recruitment there’s really only one job we need to advertise…

His.

With all the bruhaha surrounding football in Scotland of late, its nice to see that some friendships can be made however deep the divide is..

Ah, humour !

Remember when laughter was king, when banter was banter and not hatred ?

Today, we have a referee living in fear of his life…which might put foreign applicants off the job anyway, and a police force standing idly by as he cowers in his home, wondering if each day will be his last..

There is a need for a summit meeting, involving clubs, authorities and fan representatives.

Rab, on twitter, was spot on last month when he said..

Much like the referee situation in Scotland, there will be no serious attempts made to tackle pitch invasions until Celtic fans invade a pitch and Scotland can have the discussion and base it around Celtic fans actions.

Perhaps we could discuss it when the report on the Janefield underpass crush is released ?
I do not believe I’m understating it when I am of the opinion that someone is taking the piss with that report, and Celtic need to pull their collective finger out. The hordes descend again on March 31, and there is still no clarification of what caused the problem last time…

 

A meeting to move the game forward in several directions is in everyones best interests, but unfortunately that won’t happen until the mess over at ibrox, and its influence on the game is dealt with.

The BBC again..

BBC Scotland has rejected claims of bias against Rangers after the club said it was being unfairly treated.

The Rangers managing director said the broadcaster’s highlights programme Sportscene had undue influence on the SFA’s compliance officer.

Stewart Robertson also claimed coverage was influenced by an ongoing dispute between the BBC and Rangers.

The BBC has not broadcast from within Ibrox for more than three years, since the club said one of its journalists was no longer welcome. 

There they go, wasting licence payers money again, when all they had to do was send a card..

All they had to say in response to claims of bias was…

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Of course, its another deflection.

They clearly don’t fancy their chances of beating Kilmarnock in the Cup, and so need to distract the hordes away from their own failings.

They even brought James Traynor, the Fat Controller out of hiding, presumably the bill for widening the door has been sent to the club and the company to be sure it will be paid, who asked for

” Fairness, balance…” and something else that he feels is missing from his current CV.

Oddly enough, google this interview, or any news relating to Traynor…it isn’t there..

 

Yesterday, we had this innovative idea..

Imma Timm February 19, 2019 at 9:29 am · Edit · Reply →

Caption….Plans revealed for the new look St Alphonsus!
Should be ready for this July.

Today..

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Una

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Bring out the gimp

Pat Higney

Caption: Blue microphone shouts over to red. “ Mate, what is that horrible growth hangin out yer arse?”

Andy B

Dear Imma The St Alphonsus caption response is the best I’ve seen in a while, and there have been some crackers. Absolutely PMSL Briiliant

D'Fhinnein Mick

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Ohhhhhmmmmmmmmm……..

I’ve long been an advocate of seeing Fleming being given his jotters. Taking “institutional bias” out of the equation, what we are left with is incompetence. If only one referee makes mistakes on a regular basis, then in any other walk of life, he would be retrained in order to reach an acceptable standard. Continued failure to learn from such retraining renders that employee as “unfit for purpose”, and is “invited to provide the DWP with regular calligraphic contributions”. If the entire refereeing population collectively get things wrong, it can only point to failings from senior management – in this… Read more »

Calligrapher..

Caption: spot the odd one out – BBC, ITV, EBT…

Barry – did you spot it?

Uralius

Caption: They’ll never read our lips with these.

Honest hoops

Caption; and as you can hear from my voice how delighted I am with the treble,treble…

The Cha

Caption “Fuxake Tom, shut up about Timmy pitch invasions, there’s none of our fans left to do one of our own”

Noel Skytrot

Caption….whit are the baws doing Tom, whit are they doing?

They look fucking stupid with those big mikes stuck in front of their faces.

How many times have Scottish media requested interviews with SFA and Fleming….I bet its amazingly even less than the number of articles where they have dared question Stevie G!

Noel Skytrot

Caption…three dicks with their floating balls.

The Cha

That statement from the “Killie” fan reeks of pish. “threatening kids and pensioners” Ah yes, that well known behaviour of our fans, especially after a glorious finale, to all but seal 8 in a row. “Green Brigade bullshit” Ah, that well known MSM, err, bullshit. I doubt, if the GB account for more than a few percent of Celtic fans and, I’d doubt if I’d recognise any of them on the street, far less a “Killie” fan. I’d file this with the report from the other year that our fans were shiting in carrier bags and throwing them at oppo… Read more »

badgerbhoy74

Caption: WHIT’S THE SNOOKER PLAYER DAEIN’ TAM?

George Lazenbhoy

Caption : but ah want tae eat it

Mike

Carl Jungle Bhoy, Brilllliiaannt. Seek group therapy in LA LA Land. 😉

Imma Timm

Andy B,
cheers,
H.H.

gav

caption: Sneeze bubble at world gum blowing championships deemed to be imperfect but not illegal, thence no sporting advantage

Iancelt67

Anyone know anything about serpentine belts snapping and ac compressors broken. Pulley snapping the belt

Iancelt67

Lillie thing is a storm in a teacup I don’t know why such an esteemed and quite brilliant author of this blog would want to permeate the drama surrounding it as if it’s important move the fuck on and talk about Valencia and how we’re going to do them

Iancelt67

Killie

jimboh

Caption…
Responding to SPFL calls for Transparency the SFA allow their Disciplinary Review Tribunal to hold its first public meeting. This the SFA claim should end complaints of bias and affinity to any particular club.

Weered

Caption: seems to be red nose match day on the nearside and bluenose day on the far side…Surely it’s bluenose day every day according to some media reports…

Mike A

Caption. Oh bugger who stole the white mike?

Noel Skytrot

As someone who is critical of the Celtic “custodians” I have to hold my hands up and say with a small w(ell) done too them for taking the SFA to task over poor officiating and leading the way for demanding reform. I wonder if any pther clubs will pitch behind them and try to force the cabal to make changes?

The Cha

What have they done or said, as I’ve not seen or read anything, or are you just being a sarcy bam? 🙂

Noel Skytrot

Cha, not being a sarky bastard, a few Celtic sites, CQN-Lawwells Pravda and James Forrest are stating that Celtic are the driving force behind this motion.

The Cha

Mm, it’s come after the disciplinary process is starting to work correctly eg Morelos and McGregor dealt with by CO process.

After which the Huns going into meltdown, allege all kind of paranoid shit, demand meetings, which are held etc.

but Celtic are the driving force, mm. 🙁

Noel Skytrot

If I’m wrong I’ll gladly put my hands up and admit so. HH

Dombhoy

Trainee clowns fail first fake nose test

Bobby Gallagher

Caption; Tam whit they daen throwing snooker balls!

caption,Sevco spot the ball made easier for the bhears

caption.Tom whats the goolies doing tom,whats the gooliesi doing.

Bambo

Caption: Do not adjust your screen and for god sake don’t put on wide angle view

Ralph, Yes, as usual, there has been an excessive amount of adverse, if not dubious and irresponsible, reporting in the media about Sunday’s events. I understand and, to some extent, support the criticism of the reports by fans. However, in the final analysis, we behaved badly and it is not the only time, particularly considering the regular, unbelievably stupid and inconsiderate misuse of dangerous pyrotechnics such as flares. Nor do we do ourselves many favours by singing “on the edge” with some irrelevant songs – and please do not claim we are singing them purely for their musical excellence. It… Read more »

jimboh

AAA Rating Pensionerbhoy………somethimg none of our current crop of MIBs could ever hope to achieve. While foreign refs may not, in some cases, be excellent at least by declaring club affinities and being allowed to explain decisions post match they offer a contribution to the dialogue that is the essence of supporting. Accountability and Transparency plus a well defined culture of Meritocracy will help to ensure standards will rise. Our present crop know they are under threat because they realise themselves how bad and biased they are and that like most Yoonie traits in fair Caledonia they will no longer… Read more »

BJF

Good balanced article Ralph, we are not perfect fans
but fair play to Rory McKensie of Killie saying there
was no harm in the Celtic fans they just wanted selfies with their own players, clearly didn’t “ confront” anybody.

BroxburnBhoy

Kilmarnock events totally a blip a non story and really not worthy of the contributions made about it. This really is a case of moving on. One point is for those holier than thou types – celtic won, a Last minute goal, our captain ran close to the crowd and they celebrated with him! Stop the self flaggelation and be happier about it. They were Celtic fans watching celtic celebrating celtic

BJF

So we ignore the coin throwing and the flares and smoke bombs, I think Celtic fans are better than that let down by a few numpties, we condemn them and then move on.

BroxburnBhoy

Who there the coin mate? Do you know ?

As for flares – those who set of flares should be arrested period end of story

Puggy67

Caption: And the lucky numbers in today’s Sevco lottery chunderball draw are…

Montipoontang

For those of you captioning in black and white the blue ball is behind the red

Puggy67

🙂 only Monti captions in black and white

Puggy67

With Brexit there couldn’t be a worse time to entice foreign refs, although Irish citizens will be exempt from the red tape so problem solved…

Puggy67

Season’s done if they get skelped tonight. 5/1 Killie but back the red card at 2s

Excathedra

Ralph,thanks for mention.
I cant comment on the terrorism of children or pensioners,or the peeing,but when Police allow cars to use the roads despite it being full of pedestrians directly after the game,then some panel damage may be result.
HH

Cartvale

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Three dicks believe ‘Simply the best’ is true,not a load of balls.

I have stopped going to away games, cup games, if more supporters were to do so, it would hit them where it hurts
This debate about referees continues, but everyone ignores the elephant in the room ‘bigotry’ if raised it is highlighted as paranoia.
It appears that finally Celtic are flexing their muscles, whilst Rankers are using smoke and mirrors to befuddle the gormless mobs that follow follow.
Hopefully Killie will knock them out tonight, then there will be diarrhoea at Ibrokes

Noel Skytrot

Kilmarnock denied an absolute stonewall penalty in the first minute. The huns will go through.

Bobby Murdoch’s Crumpled Up Chip Wrapper

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Pre impact snapshot after Catholic snooker player lets some Sevconians have it!

Noel Skytrot

Killie keeper off. Stevie Clarke is going to rip right into the officials after this game. Alan Muir doing his best for the Lanarkshire refs Loyal. Refereeing is done here.

Noel Skytrot

Can anyone explain why Statement FC never got a penalty when the keeper was deemed to have committed a foul in the box. Am I missing something?

Noel Skytrot

Celtic fans being leathered by the local riot cops in Valencia. Shower of pricks.

B Boru

hahahaha….well well well……what did we expect really bhoys and ghirls?? If there are any doubters among you who still think this is down to incompetence you better go and have a word wae yersel….sharpish!! Fleming has played a blinder again with his staunch and loyal pool of fellow masonic/orange bastard officials answering the call in perfect unison! The hun players, especially huffalo, are being given the instruction to go down in box or at the slightest touch as they have ‘friends’ out there. It is no even up for debate any more!! Incompetence my arse!! Still be greetin’ into their… Read more »

jimmybee

The fix is in it is cheating on a grand scale by the masonic orange bastards that masquerade as referees. Everything else is a smokescreen.
Fuck the SFA

Mike

Scottish football was buried tonight, its taken seven years to get buried after it died in 2012. When the SFA facilitated the Huns entry into the C.L. qualifiers in 2012. We all know what we have faced before that including institutional racism which took on many different forms. Big Jock said that we have to be better and play better than any other Scottish team, but even he has never faced what was witnessed tonight in Govan. Right in your face obvious cheating, they don’t even try to hide it anymore. My question to the Celtic board is this, this… Read more »

Cartvale88

Totally agree Mike, I think Muir tonight by his actions allowing Candias to fly through the air with a two footed challenge, totally ignoring it. Kamara being shot In the box by someone, and the Brophy dive. The so called compliance officer must take action against Candias and Kamara. Admire Clarke for calling out the west of Scotland bigotry at Castle Greyskull, will be interesting to see if the pundits decide it is just sour grapes after he was gubbed, or maybe begin to notice the elephant in the room. As for our board they have a responsibility to their… Read more »

Noel Skytrot

The game’s done here. Watching the Steve Clarke interview was powerful stuff. He knows that the institutionalized cheating is widespread in our game. It’s about time all the other clubs spoke out, including our own. Ban the lumpen fuckwitted bigots from every ground in Scotland. Get them too fuck, they clearly live in different times from the rest of Scottish civic society. People ask me why I do have huns as friends, there’s the answer.

jimmybee

Noel most other clubs are thankful the huns are there m8 they are no friends of Celtic.
Only Turnbull Hutton had the guts to call it out a man of true principle and sporting integrity.
What happened they threatened to burn down his stadium and set fire to his home.
Did the media give a fuck did others from bigger clubs including ours give a fuck
Did they fuck.

Noel Skytrot

Hi JBee, I hope yer well pal.

Something needs to give and the only way it can happen is if supporters do what’s right. I fully understand why you’re doubtful of any change. At least Hutton had integrity unlike the charlatans who are involved in our game. How many Rubicons are crossed before something is done?

Noel Skytrot

Typo…NOT

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