Celtic Diary Wednesday December 13: Mainstream Media Begins The Battle

Celtic supporters especially are aware that the mainstream media are no fans of that fairly recent invention, the interweb.

Had it not been for the full and frank exchange of views and information permissible in this new media, we would believe that Rangers weren’t liquidated, Fergus McCann was a knob and that every single Celtic player was angling for a move south.

Amongst other things.

This pattern continues into mainstream news, with formerly trusted outlets such as the BBC, the newspapers and the radio sometimes not quite being able to distinguish between the truth, and what they want us to perceive as the truth.

It had to happen one day, and in the midst of falling circulations, decreased advertising revenue and , most importantly, the loss of trust, the mainstream have begun to hit back..

Ah, wait, thats not real. Though it could be..

The Guardian..

Former Facebook executive: social media is ripping society apart

Chamath Palihapitiya, former vice-president of user growth, expressed regret for his part in building tools that destroy ‘the social fabric of how society works’ 

This headline, or a variant, appeared everywhere yesterday, and one asks if it is part of a concerted campaign to discredit the mainstreams main rival.

After all, if we are all buried deep in our phones then there’s little chance of any social interaction..

Image result for reading a paper on a train

The Sun went even further…

PLAYGROUND FOR PAEDOS

Twitter blasted by MPs for allowing perverts to share their vile fantasies online because it’s ‘not illegal’

Why ?

Well, it doesn’t take a genius to work out that the papers especially are struggling.

Years of sticking blindly to the narrative of their owners, often off shore, often tax dodging and often right wing headcases, has alienated their audience.

We could well be witnessing their final demise.

But they’re not going without a fight..and they do have friends in high places… ( From the Murdoch owned Times )

Theresa May’s independent ethics watchdog will recommend laws to shift the liability for illegal content on to social media firms, The Times has learnt. This would recast the companies as publishers and stop them describing themselves as platforms with no control over the millions of messages and videos that they host. 

We’ve seen , in the microcosmic world of Scottish football, the damage that can be done by a media which consistently works to its own agenda for its own aims, or perhaps more accurately, for the aims of a favoured section of society.

We’re all internet bampots, right ?

And that scares the living daylights out of the establishment, as it means we no longer look to them for information, and we no longer look to them for interpretation of that information.

Expand that, and we have a nationwide -perhaps even worldwide-issue.

I keep saying it, but the simple answer is not to buy their papers, not to poine their shows and above all to consider  different outlets.

you decide of what you are reading is true, or at the very least a fair and balanced description of events.

The sooner print media especially regains its correct position on society, that of a moral and righteous crusader for the truth, then the sooner we will see an improvement in our society.

It appears , however, they are not that keen on assuming that role, so they will have to be forced into it.

 

That goes for the niche market of Scottish sport, where the experiences of the last fiver or so years have alerted us to the existence of agendas and palpable untruths.

The desperate search for any anti Celtic story has seen this one crop up, frstly in the Record, and then everywhere else..

Celtic striker Moussa Dembele admits for first time he could leave in January

The France Under-21 forward says plan is for him to stay – but that could change. 

Er, of course it could.

Frankly, if he is still here in January I will be surprised. Delighted, but surprised nonetheless.

This is the transfer window when struggling clubs, in need of goals, pay ridiculous money for a striker.

With Dembele, who is being watched by more successful clubs, there is the chance that an inflated bid by , say a Brighton, will force a bigger club to move sooner than they had planned for the Frenchman.

Not only that, Celtic have already acquired a top class replacement should he leave..

With careful reasoning and thought, a move away for Dembele is not unlikely, but neither is he screaming from the rooftops that he wants away.

The Record though, has highlighted a throwaway remark and turned it into a major statement..

“I can say it is part of the plan (to stay) – but the plan can change. It can change. 

Of course it can, but then again, using the words “it can change ” means exactly that. He is staying, but that can change.

As can anything, when you think about it.

Perhaps the best example in Scotland of the media not quite telling the truth goes back to the days of Fergus McCann, who, in an open letter to the Herald this week, explained that there were, er, one or two objections to overcome when Celtic rented Hampden for a year..

My Hampden memories of events later in life were rather more negative. 

In charge of Celtic, and having to rent the stadium for the 94/95 season, I had to tolerate the mean-spirited behaviour of Queens Park officials throughout that period. This began with a clause in the lease – a “deal breaker” as their attorney made clear – that forbade “the display of any foreign flag.” 

Shades of SFA 1952. 

If i was paying them a million pounds or so in rent, then I’d wave my dirty underpants from a flag pole of I wanted to.

Also, from the same letter..

But the financing of its rebuilding was affected by the efforts of Queens Park and its SFA cousins. Celtic’s application for a £5m Football Trust grant was turned down, while the Hampden renovation project received a total of £10m. Sunderland FC received £5m for their stadium – a project 30% smaller than that at Celtic Park. 

Its taken twenty three years for those snippets to become public knowledge.

If it wasn’t for the internet bampots, our grandchildren would be telling us , whilst we sat eating through straws in a care home, that Rangers died in 2012….

We can put a stop to all this you know, they’re on the ropes…

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We’re not helped , however, by half witted MPs and their ludicrous laws, often intriduced to give them a sense that they have actually done something.

And there are none more half witted than George Adam..

SNP MSP: Lennon nail bomb showed Football Act was needed

George Adam said the law was introduced at a ‘sinister’ time for the game in Scotland. 

Presumably at that time, it was perfectly legal and acceptable to send nail bombs to people, in an attempt to maim or kill.

Frankly, I’m surprised the legislative procedure missed that one…perhaos they were right all along, Scots is not capable of looking after themselves.

The SMP for Paisley, who frankly need to have a look at themselves for picking this clown, said;

“But there has been a steady, systematic worsening of behaviour at games and both on the field and off the field.

“But it took a more sinister tone around about that time.” 

But there were already laws in place that made it illegal to send bombs, or to incite or participate in hatred and violence.

Or perhaps he hadn’t noticed, in fact perhaps none of them noticed, and genuinely thought they were doing a good thing.

Or perhaps they just had their head up their own arses and didn’t bother to check. Not that they gave a toss in the first place.

You decide.

Yeah, thought so…

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All of this , when you consider it, comes back to one thing.

A compliant media not doing what the media is supposed to do.

Instead, it turns its attention to those of us who will consistently point out the truth, point out the hypocrisy and point out the point blank liars who claim to know better than us.

 

And thats why we must drive those nails deeper and deeper into their coffin…after all, we’ve seen the mess it makes when we fail to accept that something has died and failed to make sure its in its box.

We’ve seen the parasitic organisms that feed on their corpses, and how they threaten to spread amongst the living, causing widespread and sometimes irrepairable damage….

Image result for dave king

They are on their knees.

Don’t let them get up.

 

 

 

Elsewhere, Celtic face Hamilton tonight as the league hurtles towards the winter break.

A win, which won;t be easy, will increase Celtics lead at the top of the table and hopefully put to bed the most recent round of murmurings about gaps closing, Rangers coming and other major ifs, buts and oh don’t talk shites…

They are getting all excited again… they are about to take over our world…

Berkshire is one word, by the way, its not Berks Hire Loyal RSC, presumably to stand in front of the Celtic Shop and wave their flag.

This analogy explains the new vibe running through the new club..

 Poetry in motion…

But who will lead the people ?

That would be fantastic, letting them vote.

Half the daft bastards would still vote “no ” because its still ingrained in them.

We asked the trio, currently performing in pantomime in the west end, what they thought..

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That was them, right ?

They will no doubt continue this theme of looking backwards to move forwards… and there’s always one banner they can march under…well, they do like a good march…

Charles is the father of Edwin…

Edwin Poots (born 27 April 1965) is a Northern Ireland politician. He is a member of the Democratic Unionist Party and is a Member of the Legislative Assembly for Lagan Valley

On June 2011, Poots fired his legal shotgun twice from his upstairs window as a warning to intruders on his property in Lisburn, who then fled. His family called the police and an investigation began.[4][5][6] A DUP spokesman said “Given the risk to Mr Poots and his family, a legally held shotgun was safely discharged into the air by Mr Poots from within his house to alert the intruders that their presence was known.”[7]

On 23 September 2014, Poots was replaced by Jim Wells as Minister of Health, Social Services and Public Safety.[8]  

Really ? Why ?

 

There’s a lot wrong these days, there’s a lot of the wrong people in the worng places, and we can start the revolution by simply not listening to what they spout in the media.

We have to start somewhere…

 

Caption yesterday…

A double whammy!

charlie December 12, 2017 at 12:27 pm · Edit · Reply →

caption the wee siberian guy sais ffs ye think this is cauld wait till ye see it in winter

  1. jimboh December 12, 2017 at 2:24 pm · Edit · Reply →

    or in Glasgow   

     

Today… a little self indulgence,

 

 

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2 years ago

http://celticbynumberscom.ipage.com/the-king-and-the-pretender/

A sensationally exciting second half centred around a compelling battle between Brown and McGinn. Rodgers claimed: “no contest”. Disingenuous? I assess their performances.

Rebus67
2 years ago

I commented on this in the previous thread.

Rebus

Weered
2 years ago

Caption… FFS Ralph…will you take me for a walk…ma 3 balls are freezing lying here

CarlJungleBhoy
2 years ago

Caption: Ralph’s dug easily dispossesses 1 legged pish stained tramp

BJF
2 years ago

Caption:” Ralph unmasked.”’That explains the typos.
I agree Hamilton won’t roll over tonight so big performance from the Bhoys especially those under scrutiny, Boyata (Monti’s watching you) Armstrong, Girdin, if he plays, good if Griff was out there.

CarlJungleBhoy
2 years ago

BTW Ralph. 100% agree that it’s about time everyone stopped buying (or falling for click-bait from) what passes for “newspapers” in Scotland. – They’re now at a tipping point where a further drop in ABC circulation figures will take them below a level where they can survive on subsequently lower ad sales income, or rely on (proportionally lower value) online hits to stay afloat.

Either one group will have to break ranks and make a dramatic move for the gap in the market for a left-leaning (+ pro independence?) paper with real investigative journalism worthy of the name, willing to tackle those issues the current SMSM ignore or hide; with print copies merely an adjunct to predominantly ad sales funded and/or pay for view online content, or internecine circulation wars will take the whole sorry bunch of them down – perhaps even with an extra bonus of exposing the failure of publicly funded BBC Scotland in it’s wake.

Melvin Udall
2 years ago

My team for tonight

Gordon, Lustig, Boyata, Bitton (to provide the killer pass against a packed defence with only one upfront for them), Tierney, Brown, Ntcham, Rogic, Forrest, Sinclair, Griffiths

Might need one the Giff’s freekicks to open the floodgates.

Caption:: If you thought frost bitten toes were bad, just touch my ball and see how that goes

Konrad
2 years ago
Reply to  Melvin Udall

I’d go: Gordon; Lustig, Simunovic, Sviatchenko, Tierney; Brown, Kouassi: Forrest, McGregor, Hayes; Griffiths

With Liam Henderson among the subs.

Arsene Parcelie
2 years ago

Caption: “Well played Evander, who’s a good boy…”

charlie
2 years ago

great article ralph the papers and tv companies tell us wot their bosses want us tae believe ..the truth s out there if ye look hard enough ….on the web

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

oh and god bless oor fergus

charlie
2 years ago

well ye know what they say the cream always rises to the top great choice a caption winner ralph

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

oh and well done jimboh he he

BondiBrian
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Ah think it was George Bernard Shaw replied to someone stating that those atending Eton are the cream of society, GBS ” I agree, rich and thick”

Good result: 3-1 the night, happy wi that.

Westendtim
2 years ago

Ralph Malph, he’s only got one ball, Ralph Malph, he’s only got … etcetera etcetera

charlie
2 years ago

caption the pooch sais go on ralph make me laugh try and get the baw again

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

jimboh dont add fuckall a dont like sharin ma glory ha ha ha ha

IBhoy
2 years ago

“I keep saying it, but the simple answer is not to buy their papers.”

But it’s OK to cut and paste hundreds of articles from the tabloids?

Don’t buy, don’t click.

Monti
2 years ago

Caption: -” stop looking i’m trying to take a piss “

Weered
2 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti says that to all the girls

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  Weered

Weered,
🙂

charlie
2 years ago
Bognorbhoy
2 years ago

Caption….

The dugs thinking ..
Who the feck are you chanting John Greig at ?

puggy67
2 years ago

Caption: Get down Shep and give me 10 press ups. I told you to play at the base of the diamond but you decided you’d overlap and play the channels acting as a false 10. Bad dog!

jimboh
2 years ago

Caption… Following the onset of severe winter weather this faithful pet is entrusted with finding his shivering Master’s other Ball.

jimboh
2 years ago

Thanks Charlie.. I just amended your punchline rather than be accused of plagiarism. Hail Hail. 3-0 2nite.

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  jimboh

ile go for 5-0 griff will score 3 hiself COYBIG

Monti
2 years ago

Just wanted to wish the wee baby who was born with her heart on the outside of her body, Vanellope Hope Wilkins, all the strength, courage & luck in the world.
The wee one is three weeks old now, well done darling & you keep fighting pal, a true inspiration!
HH

Leões de Lisboa67
2 years ago

Caption: Beat it ! Am no playin’ anymair till Griff gets a game.

SteveNaive
2 years ago

Caption “ Celtic sign new striker to replace Dembele”

henkesdreadlocks
2 years ago

Caption……..

You can’t have my yellow ball, but you’re welcome to the yellow snow.

San Miguel
2 years ago

Caption :

You promised me a beach , a windy day and a bin bag to chase , but Kenny Miller got that so I end up with a yellow ball , snow yet you still wont let me off the lead !

jimmybee
2 years ago

Caption : The next time you shout fetch im gonnae bite yer leg ya fat dick. Noo get us hame im fuckin freezin.

jimmybee
2 years ago

Celtic tonight
De Vries
Bitton Boyata Eric
Rwb Gamboa Lwb Miller
Def midfielder Bitton
Forrest Ntcham Sinclair
Griffiths.
Give lustig Broony Tierney Gordon a wee rest.
4_0 the hoops

portpower
2 years ago

G`day the Grand.

Have a night to remember Ghirls and Bhoys,69.

Are you`se rugged up softies?

Chris Davies` team today?

A back 5 and we`ll take the flat World on.

Celts by 8 or 8 like in training.

What happens? 70.

BondiBrian
2 years ago
Reply to  portpower

Port…you in Adelaide aye? If so, man must be melting.

Aw the best.

portpower
2 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

I`m oot in the country of nunger BB.

I`m in to visit the shonky Adelaide collective on Tuesday.
The Daughter`s to Graduate.

5 hours drive.We`re all to get steamin`, me and my Dr.Daughter.
She likes the Bushmill and there`s a Dan Murphy’s up the road.

Heaven sent. Jesso,pray for me.,i`ve money again.

portpower
2 years ago

Do we get a letter for the 100?

Cortes
2 years ago

Pat McAulay’s Christmas tipple…a snowball.

portpower
2 years ago

Caption:

A leash in this ya bassa,pick me up.

portpower
2 years ago

Licorice is an arse treatment.

Ibrox is their capital.

portpower
2 years ago

Chris Davies`s picking the side. Good to see.

portpower
2 years ago

If Brown and Ntcham control in-front of our own centre circle we`re in for 8.

Olivier with the ball at his feet is good to watch.

Bhoys, leave the post alone today please.

charlie
2 years ago

caption ralph sais pooch do you believe they put a balloon on the moon the pooch sais ralph av telt ye before stop smokin that funny stuff

TicToc
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

🙂

jimmybee
2 years ago

Lets keep breaking records bhoys fuck them all.
Lets go for Steua and over a hundred undefeated now that would be something.
COYBIG.

Auldheid
2 years ago

A very interesting lead item and this

Expand that, and we have a nationwide -perhaps even worldwide-issue

reminds me of a post on SFM in 2015. The context was Jackie McNamara’s manager situation at Dundee Utd and Jim Spence truthful reporting of it. It goes on to touch on the new world that is emerging BECAUSE of social media..

” April 4, 2015 at 3:15 pm (Edit)

The thing about Jim Spence I feel is that if he were not in the mainstream media he would be on here posting or blogging.
He cares about his club but is balanced, he cares about the game and loves both.

He was talking on Sportsound there about Dundee United being caught on the back foot on the matter of the make up of the managers contract in respect of player sales.
The conversation turned to transparency and for football to catch up in realising it has to become more transparent in its dealing with supporters.

What football has not realised is that transparency is already here but in a form that makes us slow to realise it.
The medium is social media and the ability to share but contained by Slow Glass.

Slow Glass from a short story by Bob Shaw slows down the light passing through it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_of_Other_Days
In the story and others you have Slow Glass of different thickness in terms of the time it takes for the light to emerge.

You have Glass a day thick/long to Glass ten years and more thick/long.

Thus the Utd story was captured by Slow Glass about 3 or 4 weeks thick. Maybe more or less as I don’t know the detail but you get the drift.

The Rangers story will emerge in full over 10 years thick glass.

The LNS story will take at least another year before the truth will emerge that shows it to have been a sham.
Res12 if measured from the Celtic AGM in 2013 will take two years for the truth to emerge. (edit – make that 5)

The thickness/slowness of the glass depends to a large extent on main stream journalist removing the dust of PR that slows the light, but light is inexorable.
It can do nothing but shine.

The sooner authority and not just football realise that transparency is already here emerging via Slow Glass the thinner the Glass will become.

No more waiting years for the truth to emerge, which might just make folk act truthfully and honestly in the first place.

It will be an interesting future as social media replaces mainstream as music downloads replaced CDs ( that replaced tapes that replaced records that replaced cylinders)

In the meantime let’s keep our football Glass polished and hasten the emergence of light in our own landscape.”

The enemy of the truth is the lie and anyone interested in The People of the Lie might want to consider reading a book of that name by M Scott Peck who wrote a trilogy on human behaviour starting with The Road Less travelled.

Here is a link to People of the Lie – you might even recognise the traits of those People as you read the reviews posted and the quotes.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4451.People_of_the_Lie

I think it tells us what we are up against, not just in football, not just in Scotland but world wide. a different Armageddon from the one Regan thought might happen and which he thought he was preventing by lies.

portpower
2 years ago
Reply to  Auldheid

Here`s to pinning one’s hopes.The culpable,heaven forbid, can`t just saunter away from this.

charlie
2 years ago
charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

aint grigg grand

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

griff doh

TicToc
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Aye Charlie, a great response from Leigh to that fuckin’ rag, well posted. I really don’t get why he’s not been getting starts; on this seasons games Leigh’s input is equal to, or greater than, Moussa or Eddie. Come on Leigh Griffiths, we love you, wee mhan.
HH

TicToc
2 years ago

A terrific Diary and so true about an unrestricted/unregulated press just passing off the opinion of their owners as ‘fact’ and ‘truth’. The mind-set of that fucking imbecile Poots (probably both of them) is still prevalent today, over 40 years later.
I don’t buy Scottish (or indeed any) newspapers now and don’t click on their sites, except occasionally to see what shite they’re spouting on the day. I beseech everyone to do likewise but it would be sensible to have a funded alternative plan as vaccuums mostly result in scum with a bob or two filling the void. As I’ve said before, the BBC is the most accountable as it’s publicly funded but we’d need to be organised to have any effect. I’ve pulled them several times with little result as I’m a lone voice.
To enforce change at the Beeb we need numbers, and I’m in.
HH

TicToc
2 years ago

Caption: “Go on ‘Daddy’ Ralph, just try to take my ball away, go on, just FN try…. GGRRRrrrrrrrrrrr”

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  TicToc

‘Daddy’?

TicToc
2 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti, a dog is a pack animal (you should fucking know, you’ve got one) and looks to the alpha character, patriarch/matriarch for guidance. Now, FFS, try to work out the rest yourself; as I’ve noted, you’re no Mastermind, but I reckon you could understand “Daddy” when a junior looks to a senior! The wee dog has the added bonus of ‘attitude’. Comprendez?
HH

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  TicToc

TicToc,
Just pulling your lead m8……now sit 🙂

portpower
2 years ago
Reply to  TicToc

Who wants to buy a Samsung Galaxy Alpha?

End of each`s the only plan,typically.

C.D.
2 years ago

Glad Jim B ain’t picking the team

jimmybee
2 years ago
Reply to  C.D.

So am i 🙂

broxburnbhoy
2 years ago

We have more than the “free” press to worry about. We will keep winning and you can bet “league reconstruction” will be floated at some point just like it was when we were on the LEGAL EQUAL PLAYING FIELD nine in a row run in years gone by. Some daft scheme or other will be whispered around and you can bet it is aimed at clipping our wings. That said we are getting to be so financially and football dominant they may not be able to push us around at all – love it

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  broxburnbhoy

BB,
I just want to be at the start of season 9 going for TEN….
Those Hun fucks will be jumping oot windaes m8

TicToc
2 years ago
Reply to  Monti

…..”will be jumping ootae windaes (when we win)”……an’ I hope it’s multi-stories when they jump…..an’ I hope it’s spikey railins when they land……singin’ I’m no’ a Billy, I’m no’ so fuckin’ silly, I’m no’ a Billy I’m a TIM.
Up Dublin an’ the halfa Derry.
I fancy a 69 the night. Oh, an’ a Babycham. 🙂 An if we hit 5 or more I’m hittin’ the Snowballs ’til dawn
HH

portpower
2 years ago
Reply to  TicToc

sevconians & windows went up to a different prodsheet level.

That`s when I knew they were had.

And since then, i`ve had a Grand Had.

jimmybee
2 years ago

Stv lead sports story Murty leading them to 4 games in a row unbeaten.??? Haha must be cold there in our shadow.
Off to the game now well wrapped up with the grandkids in tow no matter the team Brendan picks 4_0 the hoops. COYBIG. 55 unbeaten league games tonight aint life grand Charlie. 🙂

Monti
2 years ago

OH DEAR!

Weered
2 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti… VENCEREMOS…

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  Weered

Definetely wee man syndrome here, probably feels vulnerable & isolated socially, having to look up at everyone in company.

Grinch, you ever noticed when you start to speak in company, someone else starts to speak and you drift away…..cursing your shortness? 🙂

portpower
2 years ago

I see the Hamilton`s keeper is on the Refs Christmas card list.
Next time Eddie stick him in the back of the net.

Keepers are Fannies.

TicToc
2 years ago

What a good spectacle tonight; some terrific football all over the park and 4 great goals. Credit to Hamilton for the part they’re playing. Stuart Armstrong looks renewed and Scottie Sinclair too. Fabulous opener from Olivier Ntcham and a cracker in reply from Hamilton although it was poor defending that allowed it. Jamesie wasn’t involved that much and then a great move and goal. Then Scottie just as I’m getting back in my chair a quality move and finish. After the recent pressure and poor performances, this is a wee bit of magic. HT 3-1.
Come On You Bhoys In Green
HH

C.D.
2 years ago

Tictoc , thanks for the first half summary, it sure beats what I’m trying to follow on sky sports on line commentary, they give you a near miss then you get nothing for the next five minutes, a load of bollocks

TicToc
2 years ago
Reply to  C.D.

C.D. It was my pleasure; my pleasure to watch, and comment on, the Bhoys play beautiful football tonight. On another night, and dare I see honest officials, again, we could have scored 7, but I’m just one very happy Tim tonight.
HH

portpower
2 years ago

Staunch and stringent is thy MIB.
The world stops to try to figure out the punitive decisions.

All we want for Christmas is a basic ability to perceive an understanding.

portpower
2 years ago

Well done Bhoys.

BondiBrian
2 years ago

Whilst we’re on aboot the press/media etc, and if you can be arsed check oot author Sinclair Lewis, particularly his book written in 1935 ‘It cant happen here’

one of his many great quotes:

“when facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross”

Monti
2 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Jesus died for YOU on the cross, you should thank him for his sacrifice!

jimmybee
2 years ago

Well grandkids home safe and well though very cold. Good solid show from the bhoys, ntcham star man looking a great buy.
Bitton cruised it as did Ajer lets hope the pkayers continue this great run.
Funny how its only us playing boxing day and most Sat tuesday fixtures. Hidden agenda?
Anyway we will face them all and defeat them.
HH off to get a hot bath and wee toady before bed.

rebus67
2 years ago

We saw the best and the worst of Celtic tonight. Some of the moves were sheer poetry, but that contrasted with pointless football with possession for no purpose. I know the objective is keeping the ball but much of the passing has no purpose. Often a player passes the ball backwards when in good forward position…see Forrest as the classic example of this. Up until his goal, which was brilliant, he did nothing. He should have been hooked much sooner to give Hayes a chance to shine…he was up for it.
Ajer and Bitton played very well…the latter gave us a range of long passes out of defence. Edouard was unlucky not to score. He takes up good positions; has good ball control, but just falls short on the final move. Perhaps it will come with games.
Armstrong and McG tried to outdo each other with their through balls…long may it continue. Ntcham was peerless first half, and quiet in the second….that wee prawn Imrie smacked him in the face first half. Still the ref was either blind or incompetent….possibly both! Thankfully he is retiring.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Hamilton had buried the two sitters they missed….would we have stepped up a gear? Can we? To have that much possession in the second half, and create that many chances and not score, must be a concern for the management team.

Docherty on Hamilton looked eager to impress us. I’d like to see more of him.

Rebus

charlie
2 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

rebus mc gregor was the best player oan the pitch

henkesdreadlocks
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

I thought Ntcham was the man tonight Charlie, though McGregor was pretty decent.

rebus67
2 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Charlie,

You have an argument there. He was different from the Hibs game.

Rebus

henkesdreadlocks
2 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

Your take on the game I find rather strange . Forrest, as with most of the players, are instructed to keep us in possession when not in a threatening area and build momentum. He had one poor pass in the second half, in itself, fairly unusual. He had a goal and an assist. Hayes was up for it? Didn’t see any evidence of that.
We overloaded Hamilton down the left flank, particularly in the first half, obviously because we recognised they were weaker in that area. Hamilton set up as most teams do at Celtic Park and did it rather well for a period of the match. As for Docherty impressing? Not too difficult against our current defensive set up.

rebus67
2 years ago

Henke,

I am strange…always have been.

I cannot buy into this horizontal game because it is safe. It is not productive. Forrest’s goal was outstanding but he is a lazy player who takes the easy option and does not try to force the play….only my opinion. We have a few like that and it is holding us back, particularly against Scottish teams. We are in a different league from all of the others and should be able to destroy them at will. We do not because we do not spend enough time playing the kind of through balls that Armstrong and McG played tonight. That through ball down the right side of their defence was there all night but we did not exploit it enough. Why?

Do not get me wrong this is a very good collection of players that we have but something is stopping them getting to the next level. The Mgmt team? Confidence? Lack of a creative midfielder? Whatever it is we need to fix it, especially in Europe.

I am not pessimistic, quite the reverse. It will be interesting to see if we can shift up a gear vs Zenit. We did not vs Anderlecht.

Rebus

henkesdreadlocks
2 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

Lazy player? Wow, really.
Was Didi Agathe a lazy player when he was instructed not to commit himself further forward under O’Neill, or was he a lazy player too.
We should destroy them at will. That comment says it all.
When a team is playing with 11 men behind the ball don’t you think it becomes a tad more difficult to play that type of ball? No? Maybe I think about tactics from a different angle from you.

Rebus67
2 years ago

So you think Forrest is playing to instructions. Count the number of times he passes the ball backwards, even to the same person who gave him the ball. Ask yourself what does that achieve.
Forrest is a good player. He is a fitter player than he has ever been. He is scoring freely. All positive but, IMHO, he is not using his full potential.

I do not think that Celtic have the right to win every domestic game but, at the moment they are so far ahead of the others that they should win, defensive tactics or not. That is why we have not lost in eons.

I recognise the current tactics but I do not like them. Further with this group of players they will not succeed against reasonable European teams because we are not strong enough or quick enough in transitioning out of the horizontal plays. Opposition that recognises that can stop this Celtic team.

I still enjoy watching the Bhoys but the domestic results do not blind me to the flaws.

Thanks for debating with me.

Rebus

henkesdreadlocks
2 years ago

The biggest flaws are in defence and an inability of decent distribution from that area. If you are a winger and you receive a nothing pass on the touchline whilst confronted by at least 2 defenders what do you do? Attempt to beat the two in a confined area and risk the wrath of some of the ‘faithful’ who are only too eager to jump down your throat or play it cautiously whilst retaining possession and jockeying for a clearer opening. Forrest has had horrendous abuse over a long period of time and I’m afraid some of the worlds greatest support knocked some of the gallusness out of his play, though he is still an extremely effective performer. In an ideal world of free flowing football he would be a revelation, but alas, free flowing football is a rarity this day and age.

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