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Celtic Diary Thursday November 23: Rodgers Unwilling to Adapt. Again.

I’ll keep it short and sweet today.

Well, short.

For the third time in a little over twelve months Celtic have been embarrassed in a European match. The seven goal mauling at the hands of Paris St, Germain is the latest in a series of nightmares for the club, following on from the five goal pasting in glasgow at their hands and the seven goals conceded in the Nou Camp last season.

We could argue, with a degree of credibility , that these sides are way ahead of us, but that is no excuse for rolling over and letting them do as they please.

As in the two previous drubbings, last night Celtic started fairly brightly -even taking the lead this time- but one misplaced pass from Scott Brown which led to their equaliser seemed to take Celtic’s confidence with it, and after that it was one way traffic.

These kind of drubbings should not happen to a professional side packed with international players.

Certainly not three times.

The manager has said he wants his defence to play the ball out, whereas perhaps it would be better to first teach them how to keep the ball out.

PSG don’t score seven against everyone. They probably won’t score seven again in this campaign.

And they shouldn’t have scored seven last night.

The Celtic defence, and the so called supporting midfield did not function again. and because it was PSG and all their money, that seems to be acceptable to a section of the support.

Yet somehow Celtic achieved two draws against the very wealthy Manchester City last season, simply by rolling up their sleeves and getting stuck in.

Last night was a shambles. Again.

The team were beaten as soon as they left the dressing room, despite the early goal from Dembele.

He’s the only player to score against PSG in this seasons campaign, and he came through their Academy, unlike any of the PSG players…not that that matters.

What matters is that nobody played well, largely because nobody had any belief in themselves or their colleagues.

This ratings picture from L’Equipe demonstrates exactly how poor Celtic were, and it is this we should concentrate on putting right, without excuses about how good PSG were.

They are only as good as we allowed them to be.

As for the defence, they got the basics wrong, and thats down to the coaching as much as the players.

Maybe it was a mistake to include Simunovic, who has been out if action for so long.

Last night had me pining for Efe Ambrose, who at least it could be said actually tried to defend.

And who was part of an organised back line along with Adam Matthews and Kelvin Wilson which kept out Barcelona five years ago.

Where are they now ?

To make a point about organisation, this is a  snapshot of our defence in action.

Sorry, our defence inaction.

That is unacceptable. If we defend like that on Sunday, who will we blame ?

That’s right, the defenders and the coaches.

So why aren’t we blaming them for making us look like a second rate Sunday league side last night ?

 

When the draw for this group was made, we all stated we would be happy with qualification for the Europa League, which barring a 3-0 defeat to Anderlecht next month, will have been achieved.

However, Anderlecht will have gained a little bit of hope from watching Celtic collapse last night, and will be fully aware that our defenders will not hoof the ball away, and will therefore put them under pressure when they are in possession.

Even if Celtic do progress, other, more capable sides in the Europa will have spotted that weakness.

In fact Motherwell will have spotted it as well. They just need the confidence to act upon it.

 

Confidence.

Again, it seems like the players and management have accepted that they are not at the level of PSG and Bayern, and have pinned their hopes on beating Anderlecht to the Europa, showing a pragmatism off the pitch that is missing on it.

This may well succeed, and we’ll all be happy to be in the draw for the Europa league, but what we have done in reaching that phase is shown all our prospective opponents that the defence is weak and cannot effectively play the system it is being asked to, and no matter who we play, or where we play them, home or away, this Celtic side is vulnerable and will not do anything to alter that.

In short, a decent side will tear us apart.

 

We’re not learning anything at this level, from Rodgers to the coaches to the players, and last night should be the last time this is allowed to happen.

 

The art of management is to manage, to manage people and to manage situations in order to get the best possible result.

Sadly, so far , Rodgers isn’t doing that.

 

And whilst this ditty provided a little light relief post match..

  Retweeted

Oh Paris in the sun

PSG 7 Celtic 1

All my days I will sing in praise

Of the 8 minutes We did awright that day 

…it kind of hurts…you see, we did do “awright”for a while, but seemed incapable of building on it.

In Europe over the years, a recurring theme has been to concede more than one goal in a very short period of time…

Thanks to moravcik67 on twitter for showing us these astonishing examples…

Shakhtar – 2 in 3 mins

Aalborg – 2 in 6 mins

R. Vienna – 2 in 7 mins

Utrecht – 2 in 7 mins

Spartak – 2 in 7 mins

Juventus – 2 in 6 mins

Milan – 2 in 4 mins

Barca – 3 in 9 mins

Legia – 2 in 6 mins

Salzburg – 2 in 5 mins

Zagreb – 2 in 3 mins

Fenerbahce – 2 in 5 mins

Molde – 2 in 6 mins

Hapoel – 2 in 3 mins

Barca – 2 in 2 mins

Astana – 2 in 2 mins

PSG – 2 in 3 mins

PSG – 3 in 5 mins

Something isn’t working. Something which is ingrained in the players which needs to be sorted before we face anderlecht, or they will simply pressure our defenders and score a couple of quick goals…

Like everyone else does.

One suggestion is that there is no leader at the back. No Roy Aitken, Danny McGrain  or Billy McNeill.

Yet whilst Kolo Toure leads the players in a song about him and his brother, and John Kennedy draws little pictures on his pad, two of those are still working for the club…

It’s time to start working on our shortfalls, which are being ruthlessly exposed by coaches who simply watch what we do and adapt their game to it. Rodgers, who has previously excelled in making the right changes during a game has shown a reluctance to do it in Europe.

Rodgers believes in his methods, and in what he is trying to achieve, and thats admirable.

But all achievers adapt while they are on the road to success, and its time for Rodgers to accept that this defensive system isn’t working.

Its also tome for him to accept that the side needs a mean streak in there somewhere. A little bit of steel that intimidates opponents and galvanises team mates.

Players such as those at PSG need to know they’ve been in a game, they need to have cuts , bruises and aches to remind them who they played.

Celtic have no physical aspect to their play, which probably explains why the video of Kenny miller being sent up in the air by Jozo Simunovic is getting so many plays.

That sort of no nonsense defending isn’t encouraged at Celtic, but its time it was.

 

To put it into perspective, Motherwell play a physical game, and have said they will do so again at Hampden.

That is worrying, and whilst Celtic have far superior players and are the far better team, there is a genuine belief at  the Fir Park club they could win on Sunday.

Celtic don’t have that belief when they come up against a superior side, yet they will be wary of it in others.

Is it too much to ask that we could have a wee bit of that belief, a wee bit of that competitiveness and and a wee bit of heart when we come up against a wealthier and technically superior opponent ?

To make them a little wary of us ?

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Monti
6 years ago

Ralph,
Excellent Diary!
Only point i disagree with is the one about Awfy Ambrose, if he was paired in central defence with Boyata last night, it would have been 10 or 11 conceded.
Everything else you say i completely agree with, we must go out on Sunday & show these cunts we are hurting, Motherwell say they’ll be physical? Fucking bring it and return it in kind.

Signed,
Pissed off & majorly disappointed!

john young
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

We don,t ever get enough players back into defensive positions,the mid-field being posted missing 2 goals again in KTs area of defensive responsibility? we should have 8 or so players in defence but properly positioned,the mid-field should be the skirmishers in and around the edge of the box with our back four in and around the 6yard box.Last night Nicham broke on the wing only to be besieged by 4 PSG players and they were cruising at the time.

Honest hoops
6 years ago

Spot on Ralph, we needed someone to let the psg players know that if you have the ball…Have some of this,the team stood off them for some reason instead of being right in their grill…onto Sunday and I hope Broony goes right through bowman at the start to send a clear message..2 can play your game…Hail, Hail

Alzyerpal
6 years ago

Cannot disagree with a single word you say.

The top teams will adopt a pragmatic approach when faced with a, potentially, dangerous opponent. Although last night was really a “dead rubber”, it was the kind of game where we should have also adopted these tactics in preparation for forthcoming fixtures where it may be the best way to play.

Iancelt67
6 years ago

Still think there are better guys than Rodgers out there. Rodgers is clever enough to set his stall to be unbeatable in Scotland. But his cavalier and quixotic approach in Europe is a recipe for disaster. More fucking pragmatism in defence. Good solid defenders and defensive midfielders. I can guarantee clubs like olympiakos and basle would never lose seven goals against psg and their leagues aren’t any better than Scotland’s. It’s attitude and solid application that’s absent. Fucking do your homework properly Rodgers and learn the art of defending or get someone capable in to help you

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Iancelt,
PISH

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Lancelt, agree with what you say, his defensive tactics are awful as the results in Europe prove.
Might be a thought to get rid of Kennedy and get someone in who knows defences inside out.
HH

Iancelt67
6 years ago

Comment awaiting moderation. Sanctioned?? Wtf

Corrib04
6 years ago

How many times have psg put 7 past anyone this season? None probably. If east kilbride, a non league outfit, can defend well against Celtic as in Scottish cup a few years ago then we should be able to keep the score down against anyone.

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  Corrib04

iff all you want to do is keep the score doon yool end up wae the ek crowd

Thommybhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

If we had kept the score down last night it would have made next month’s game against Anderlecht much easier.

puggy67
6 years ago

Good post. Fed up with the lack of strength in depth. It shouldn’t be beyond the wit of a Celtic manager to 1) buy some decent defenders 2) develop the best young defenders from Scotland and Ireland 3) ensure said defenders joints aren’t made of china. Can accept getting beaten by greater talent cannot accept not being up for the fight.

mike
6 years ago

We could have played with two bottles instead of our central defenders last night for all the good they were, every small mistake like Broony’s careless pass that led to their first goal. Its well documented that we need another two centre-backs and Brendan has acknowledged publicly that he will address that come January. But it was not just the centre-backs who were caught out, you could add Rogic and McGreger to the list of slack passers, Gordon as well could have done better but he also made one or two good saves but you could criticise the whole team for last night but its easy to criticise, like Keane when the Republic collapsed against Denmark which he has clearly forgotten.
Sometimes you just have to acknowledge the gulf in class and wonder at the sheer brilliance of the opposition who if truth were told took there foot of the gas second half nearly every shot on goal came of the inside of the post and went in….terrific to watch but painful too. There is no quick fix, we are stuck where we are with limited resources small steps and C.L. participation year on year.
BTW the physical approach would have resulted in red cards cos they are champions at that getting rough tackles punished, think on that when 2/3 players would have been ineligible for the Europa.

Tourtenay
6 years ago

Brendan Rogers has had the longest honeymoon period of any Celtic manager I can remember mainly due to domestic success but that has ended, last night was another performance of a Celtic team with no grit, no steel and no competitive edge and the opposition pick that up on the park in an instant.
If you don’t put right Rogers and put it right soon your days will be numbered.
What happened last night must never ever happen again.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

What a load of shite, a threat to a manager who is one of the best managers in our long history and you say his days are …numbered, get a grip and listen to yersell.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

He is not one of the best managers in our history he has only been here a season and a half and when he comes up against top class opposition he is beginning to be found out,which other manager of Celtic has lost 12–1 aggregate score in Europe?
It’s not a “load of shite” it’s reality.
Take off your tinted glassess.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

He IS one of the best managers in our history and he will be here for…years, tactically astute, humble, honest, articulate and knows the game intimately, unless he has the misfortune to read the mince on here.
The only two managers that I haven’t seen that might have been better was McGrory and Malley, Stein was the only one that I have seen that was better, the rest…
£200 million pounds on one player more than our entire clubs worth with the best and most costly front three ever assembled
how do you cope with that without getting red carded…answer…you cannot. He can only work with what he has in our diddy league.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

You’re easily pleased.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Tourtenay,
Bollocks!

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

monti ask yer granny if tourtenay can play in the basement wae ye

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Charlie,
My Granny died in 1979…..are you wanting to get nasty Charlie?

JOJOPICASSO
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

being easily please is watching sevco every week
tourtenay ,think about it
Brendans building something special, were going to get a few slaps
in the face along the way especially form mega money teams.
money talks.one day teams like us wont be in the CL so try and enjoy it for what it is and pray one day we get a easier draw
in Brendan we trust

mike
6 years ago

A cat sat on a jagged rock,
licking its paws and taking stock,
while softly singing to itself…..

If you’ll be my bodyguard,
I can be your long lost pal,
I can call you Betty,
and Betty when you call me,
You can call MIA-OW.

mike
6 years ago

Listen to the pish fucking supporters? naw cunts that know fuck all about fitba. my eyes are bleeding looking at the shite posted on here.
A Manager and a team that hasn’t lost a game domestically since Rodgers took over from the dick that was Deila and cos we got humped last night like we do to others and the bed wetters are out in force.
Your not supporters just a bunch of fucking fannies.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

How many teams have Celtic beaten 7-1? Abusing fellow Celtic supporters is playing into the Huns red hands,they lap it up…..

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

Abusing fellow Celtic supporters, show me them, where are they, they certainly are not on here, all I read is fannies saying that we should sack a manager, a manager who has been the best we have had for… years. The only huns are the ones on here talking shite, talking the manager and the team down, that aint criticism that’s hun speak. You know my point the message is clear enough, its clear enough.

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

mike daft robo is wanny jjs plants ignore um

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Thanks Charlie,been going to Parkhead since the 60s but I’m daft and a plant,don’t think JJ was born in the 60s.Mind you,you were calling M a Hun recently,you seem a bit mixed up but I know you’re a Tim so I forgive you.KTF

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Iv’e looked at your last three reply’s to other people’s comments and there is not one reasoned argument in anything you say, gubbed 12–1 in aggregate in Europe is acceptable is it?
It’s the manager that puts the team on the park not just in person but their mental state, competitive edge and the need to fight to the end to get some sort of result.
There was none of that last night and not for the first time.
BR may turn out to be a great Celtic manager but he is not that yet and if you are of the opinion that Celtic fans can’t question his methods after these European results then don’t refer to us as huns, we’re not, we are just as much Celtic as anyone else on here.
Everyone needs to be questioned after these results, Board, management and team, there is no free ride at Celtic.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

You can only play with the players you have, who barring two cost less than £4.5 million pounds, compare that to the £200 million pounds for Neymar alone and the most expensive ever assembled front three. You want fight, but fight costs red/yellow cards and what use are they considering we want entry into the Europa league.
We play in a diddy league and have to cut our cloth accordingly, what do you want him to do, put the club in massive debt to compete with the money that is being provided by the Qatar oil billionaires.
We would need to achieve entry into a richer league to achieve any kind of compatability until then we can only achieve entry to the C.L. and hope for a kinder draw.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

I have never mentioned money in any of my comments and I do not believe the physicality I am talking about will end up with yellow or red cards.
Money is definitely an issue and they have bucket loads but to set the team out the way he did away from home with that attacking line up was suicide from the start.
Many great coaches across Europe set their teams up to produce a defensive masterclass or at least try to keep the score down to a respectable level,last night was just embarrassing and past results show that we may get away with it in the SPL but against better opposition it doesn’t work.
We have played against teams in Europe with players as good as Neymer and not been gubbed 12–1 in aggregate, against top class opposition BR doesn’t know how to defend or if he does he is not deploying it.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

You asked for reasoned argument and I gave you it…money, it mibbee cannot buy you luv but it sure as hell makes a huge difference on the fitba. park? You never mentioned it because it doesn’t suit your agenda, we do not have the money to compete at this level, Ajax and all the other teams that play in diddy leagues cannot compete with Qatar cash, their Kingdom pays for its plaything on the park, I never want to see my club go down that soulless route.
BR if he had the money to invest in better players would make a big difference, we couldn’t even bring in Joe Allan. The thing is that BR would never ever put Celtic at risk by spending millions and for what to win the Europa league, no thanks, no-way.
And who was he to bring in to play last night, who, another park the bus and foul after foul, no thanks.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

I don’t think you have actually read what I have said, I I haven’t mentioned money because that is only part of the problem there are many other issues apart from money so your comments regarding BR spending millions and putting the club at risk are misplaced as are parking the bus and foul after foul.
You must be replying to someone else’s comments.
As for an agenda,there is only one agenda on here and that is Celtic.
This is a forum for debate and everyone is entitled to their comment, we may not all agree but no one comment is more important than any other’s
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Usually I just scroll past posts that offer nothing of reason or value but your comment regarding the threat to the manager just deserved a reply.
You seem to be living in a parallel universe, ive repeatedly said that BR can only play with the players at his disposal without risking the financial safety of the club. You keep on mentioning these great coaches from around Europe who are they and what league do they coach in, what players do they have at there disposal, I sense that you will reply from the Spanish/Italian leagues
that have a hugely different income to ours.
Do I think that we could have done better last night certainly but not with the players we have, they do not have the skill to compete against the best players in Europe and we don’t have the money to buy them, other than erecting the great wall of China we could not have stopped the PSG forwards with the players on our books other than fouling them resulting in red cards.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

BR is not sacrosanct like any manager of any club they are all judged on results.
BR results in the SPL are excellent but step out of that environment and it’s a different issue.
You keep harking on about money and what PSG spend on players but they have not scored 7 goals against any club in the French league except some fifth tear outfit,the performance of Celtic players last night was woeful and Celtic should not be letting in that amount of goals against any team and their complete lack of competitive spirit last night was not what you would expect of a Celtic team.
If BR results do not improve in Europe then he wont be around for long and nor should he be or anyone else for that matter.Celtic are bigger than any one man and we have had better managers than him in the past.
And please do not resort to personal insults like living in a paralel universe it diminishes your comment and makes it of less worth.
Onward’s and upwards with Celtic.HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

I’m not blind, I saw the same as you last night but if you think that money means nothing then I stand by my comment. A right back subbed almost immediately, two centre-halves one that is always injured and one who has virtually no quality and who have hardly played together in Europe a midfield mostly overrun.
There is not a coach alive who could have changed last nights result, it was coming a blind man could see that, your comment about the manager was wrong in every respect and you gain respect by being respectful and yours was not respectful, in any way. As for the French league, league games cannot be judged against C.L. qualifiers they are totally different and btw that league has much better income than our league and a bigger income equals better players.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

Look at The heading of today’s diary, that may point you in the right direction!!

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Look at the B.T. post 15.40 on Celtic News, the five reasons why Celtic struggle in the C.L.
that may give you a better insight into fitba. and how we are in our league compared to other leagues and learn!!

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Look at the B.T. report at 15.40 on Celtic news and…learn.

john young
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike maybe if he would concentrate on signing players that have the following athletic/physical/quick/strong attributes they could then at least match the opposition and not be run over/past at every turn,Rogic/Mac/Jamesie are so easily by passed.

Iancelt67
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Mike tourtenay is spot on here. No manager is untouchable. To me those drubbing are red flags. Attention must be paid to them. Our boundaries as fans of a prominent football club have been breached and if it happens again serious questions must be asked about his future at the club

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

No manager is untouchable but no manager deserves the threat of the sack, on one or two games, especially when there is a huge gulf in finances.
Read B.T. the press associations 5 reasons why Celtic are failing in Europe its on Celtic news at 15.40 it covers a lot. He seems to think that we can escape being beaten heavily by a team that costs hundreds of millions of pounds when ours cost £15 million pounds, we gotta be realistic money buys you the best of players that is confirmed in our success in Scotland, but it isn’t the full story. I don’t agree with him or you and do not agree that his position should be under threat because of 2/3 bad results.

Iancelt67
6 years ago
Reply to  Iancelt67

Look. Your average score against a team that’s way too good is around the 3-0 4-0 or even less not 7-1, 5-0 , 7-0 in the space of a year. It’s tactical naivety from the manager and he needs to hold his hand up here the same way he holds his hands up to take plaudits. I’m not saying the guy is conceited but to arrogantly dismiss the basics of setting up a team to defend and become all surprised when the team gets trounced again is really worrying. Guys on here deifying him need to look at themselves. These results could undo all his good work up to now. It’s that bad

Wufti67
6 years ago

It’s a goalkeeper and central defenders we need not a hotel

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago

Well said Ralph.Didn’t see one “nasty” challenge by a Celt.Remember Barcelona,away,not one foul.Cleanest team in Europe,award pending.Cut out this In Brendan we trust mince,sometimes he gets it totally wrong.The Astana away game showed that we are so fragile under pressure in Europe.As for Murderwell,a couple of Broonie specials and a KT man and ball tackle and they’ll think twice about their cunning plan.

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

plant pot

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

That’s illegal…..

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

I have several plant pots in my garage….

charlie
6 years ago

ralph we had an off night in a nuthin game lighten up ffs if we dont turn up on sunday yees will have sumfin tae cry aboot COYBIG

6 years ago

Agree with every single word you say here. If Celtic play as badly on Sunday we will get beat. The difference in money has been talked about ad nauseum but last night Celtic were awful. I don’t get why rodgers has to make a comment about seeing the positives. It makes him look like a delusional fool. In some quarters he is still mocked down south and this is why. There was no excuse for last night. The seeds were sown in mid-August and it is all down to money. Celtic spent what in the summer? Less than 6-7 million on prospects and a journeyman from Aberdeen! Despite knowing that the defence is suspect if we are being kind. Jozo cannot be relied on. He is injury prone and lacks bottle. Essentially, Boyata is lower league rubbish and useless at this level. I did not see one Celtic player make a tackle until Jozo did in the middle of our half in the 44th minute. I did not watch the second half. Football is all about money. Some fans are saying it is pointless to spend money to get hammered. therefore celtic should not bother and just accept this every year. But Celtic must bite the bullet and spend 20 million plus to compete, if they do not then don’t participate. Celtic are one of the clubs that UEFA are willing to sacrifice from the CL as getting beat 7-1 clearly indicates that we are not fit to play in this tournament. Yes it can happen once but three or four times we have been humiliated in the past year. We were lucky Bayern were playing Dortmund three days after we played in Germany and chucked it just after half time or it would have been 6 or 7. We need a goalkeeper, 2CBs, a midfielder and a replacement for Dembele. We have earned 60 mil from the CL in the past two seasons and will get 20 mil for Dembele. A two for one deal may get rid of Boyata and Jozo for 2.5 mil and half a mil for Hayes. We have already spent about 6 million. Which leaves about 70 odd million surely the club realises that they need to spend at least 20 mill to at least keep the score down. 4-5 on a goalie, 6-7 each for the CBS then go cheap for MCGinn and Moult (although I am not 100% convinced on either) for another 5-6, i am thinking about cheap options here. That would be between 23-25 million. that would be CL expenditure for a club like Celtic. But as the article suggests if we go with the same options it is madness. Surely the supporters will not accept 7-0, 7-1 drubbings every single year. this is more damaging to the club than spending a bit of dosh.

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  john

awe ffs ralph noo yoov got john the zombie back

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  john

a nominate ralph for knob ae the week for that pish

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

No i think you are leading!

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

he he have you fell oot wae me petal

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

No flower….

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  john

John,
Agreed!

Morto
6 years ago

We’re too reliant on Broonie to provide drive for the team.
He made a hash of the pass and tackle for the first goal and that sapped what little confidence the team had.
With no one else stepping up to the plate it became stand back and admire the pretty patterns.
Ignoring our goal I thought we were doing ok right up to they scored, pressing high, closing down and presenting few opportunities.
As soon as the first one went in though that was it, towel chucked and a low budget version of, “I’m a footballer, get me out of here”.
There are criticisms to be levelled at the manager regards his approach to these games but what can he do if the players on the park all chuck it? Can’t sub all 11?
Only Dembele and Ncham showed anything last night and Brendan signed them both so maybe he knows here is an issue there and is working towards it.
As for those calling for his head, get a grip, there might be better out there but they won’t come to our club and if they did they’d want massive wages and budgets that we don’t have. Brendan is as good as we could possibly hope for.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago

No,we’ll not accept drubbings.Fans seem to think Celtic will win the Europa,absolutely no chance.Still pissed off trying not to get the sack.As I stated last night,either massive foreign investment or our level is going to be miles behind top European teams and the gap will widen.

flinker
6 years ago

Onya Mike.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  flinker

Cheers flinker!!

The cube
6 years ago

Everybody expected a drubbing last night so aw this pish about Rodgers on here has me raging. We are Celtic, we don’t park the bus against nobody, I admit the defence was a bit shaky at a few of the goals and a few misleading passes contributed to goals but cmon, this PSG side is unbelievable with the wealth throughout the team, superstars all over the pitch, football these days is about possession and Celtic are great at it but PSG are phenomenal. We can’t compete with these teams just like all the teams in Scotland can’t compete with us so get used to it. Just making the champions league is a task in itself these days so cmon get a grip of reality. 5-0 to the hoops on Sunday, hail hail

Brian (not the messiah)
6 years ago
Reply to  The cube

Agree totally cube

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  The cube

” Shaky “?
No it isn’t shaky, it’s a lack of ability!

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  The cube

A bit shaky? Do you do safety certificates for roofs for Glesga Cooncil? Signed Dodgy Dave….

Brian (not the messiah)
6 years ago

Is Brendan the new Efe now? Really? What a bunch of ungrateful Moaners. Many years ago people on her were criticizing Walter smith’s anti-football. Do you want to park the bus and have hammer throwers? I have the utmost respect for what Rodgers is trying to achieve and has achieved so far. Rant over

Monti
6 years ago

No Boyata is!

Monti
6 years ago

The list of teams Ralph put up showing the teams that have scored two or more goals against us in quick succession, is interesting and depressing.
We have been weak at the back for years, anybody that knows football, know that you have to build from the back, solid keeper, solid back four.
Domestically we get away with it, the other sides don’t have the belief to hurt us.

No one expects Celtic to beat PSG, Barcelona or Real Madrid, but surely Celtic football club is big enough to have a team on the park that can compete within reason, it was shooty in last night, opposition players smiling, laughing, winking at the camera…..it’s too easy, handing out gifts, gifts we all KNOW we would offer up.
Sure it’s not all about the defence it’s the whole team as one to put the graft in.

On several occasions last night we looked good on the offensive side of things, but as a whole, we cannot defend with quality & composure, look at the equaliser, we were doing well and looked confident, then Brown underhits a pass, seconds later 1-1…again it was a gift, PSG didn’t have to work for it.
It’s hard out there, no one is claiming it’s easy, but we are very weak defensively, very weak, and we must add quality to this area, give us a chance, a better chance to compete.

We all know we don’t have unlimited resources to buy top drawer, but we are wealthy enough to buy BETTER than what we have in defence just now.
As Ralph rightly said, this must be the last time we lose a game by this margin, he is right, we need to learn NOW!
The worrying thing is, that could have been much worse last night, double figures?
What is it going to take for us as a club to get it right?
Most of us feel terrible today, let down, embarrassed and humiliated, just imagine how we would be feeling if that had been 8 or 9?

” world class in everything we do “? Erm….naw!

Maybe we should scrap the Hotel idea & give the manager that money for defenders, alternatvely build the Hotel in the goal mouth!
Then again Boyata would probably leave the back door open.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Correct and erudite……

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

Thank you Rob.

6 years ago

Agree totally, What is John Kennedy actually coaching, to me he’s getting a wage for nothing, we all know we needed to buy another centre half in the summer, and one of quality, but watching Boyata man mark Jozo last night strengthenso that need, all i asked last night was for every player to at the very least compete and do the basics right, oh how wrong I was,to be unable as a professional footballer to make a standard 3/4 yard pass, or to head a ball into an empty space and not directly to the opponents feet is inexcusable. PSG are a top top quality, but if their opponents decides their not going to bother tackling the ball off them, or run along side them admiring their fancy footwork then their inevitably going to look brilliant, if we stood of Aberdeen or Hibs in the same way then they’d look good. I’m worried that Rodgers doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes in Europe, what he thought Rogic was going to bring to the game last night i don’t know, we needed a workhorse in the middle not a number 10 who was never going to see the ball, Rogic was a waste of a shirt for the whole 90mins, how he stayed on the park so long is a mystery. Rodgers now needs all his man management skills to motivate these player’s not just for Sunday but the rest of the season, the likes of Sinclair are shadows of last season and other player’s deserve the chance ahead of him at the moment. But roll on Sunday and the next step towards back to back trebles…KTF

charlie
6 years ago

ffs this isnae a spoof ha ha hr he ha ha

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie
Monti
6 years ago

Rob Cordial,
You are aware that a strong defence is important?

ewanbhoy
6 years ago

another horror show but i was half expecting it. we had the perfect start and looked good until our first mistake cost us a goal after that we crumbled…..we couldnt defend, pass or tackle after that. how many times did a simple ball over the top and we were cut open so easily. we could have lost by 10 last night but thankfully psg dropped down the gears and were on cruse control. i dont know what the answer is but we have got to learn to do the basics and defend. as the game went on you could see we couldnt pass the ball out from the back, we should have started to play the long ball up to Dembele and try to counter them…..we were too open and stood off them too much.
i know we wont park the bus but we must change something in our set up or we will suffer more results like this again and again.
the game has gone and we have the cup final to win on sunday so all focus on that and in Brendan we still trust HH

Bhoris
6 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Well said Ewan. The collapse after their first goal was alarming to say the least. Sadly,a can only see the gap getting wider between us and the “elite”. Big up to the PSG fans for the heat of Lisbon. Class touch by them. Dani Alvez’s goal was fucking ridicolous. Up there wi Roberto Carlos

Monti
6 years ago

Brendan- ” Boyata i want you to pick up the nearest man to you & follow him everywhere…is that clear enough “?

Boyata – ” yes Boss…..Jozo you are getting it, can we swap shirts at the end of the game”?

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

🙂

BJF
6 years ago

Ralph fair comment the thing I don’t get is how come we didn’t collapse against decent sides like Man City and Bayern with the style of play everybody is rubbishing? I am more concerned about the Anderlecht game than Sunday. They are better than they were when we beat them a few weeks ago. If there is a crisis of confidence in European games them with so much at stake that game will prove a lot. Also if we get through there are some decent sides in the Eurpoa League so how will Brendan and his philosophy measure up? I thought Boyata bad moved on but last night he looked out of his depth as did Rogic, Broonie, Gordon, Jozo, Bitton, and McGregor. Did they all have an off night, can they redeem themselves against Anderlecht. I think they have earned that right.

charlie
6 years ago

granny monti ffs lock him back in the basement

hector
6 years ago

Any questioning Brendan Rodgers as our manager is either a clown or a Sevco supporting Zombie…questioning his tactics is fair doos though.

I love the man to bits and admire his reluctance to park the bus…but…there’s got to be a degree of pragmatism against the truly elite teams. Hit a few channels every now and again to give some short term respite and get the team up the pitch. Trying to pass the ball out of defence and being dispossessed time after time 30 yards from goal by world class opposition is an inevitable recipe for disaster.

Get in their faces and compete. Nothing daft like taking a ridiculous red card but go touch tight…a few verbals…a few bumps…take a sensible booking for a slightly late challenge…not for pulling someone’s shirt!

We allowed arguably the best club side in the world right now free reign to do as they want without putting one single doubt in their mind.

Would we still get beat? Absolutely. But a bit of fight…a bit of nous…some streetwise tactics may have resulted in a 3 or 4-1 defeat rather than a 7-1 (going on 10) pumping.

I still love Brendan.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  hector

Well said hector but remember that bit of fight would result in players being sent of, I agree with you.

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  hector

Fair comment Hector. I believe the players let the manager down by their poor performance last night. Mistakes galore.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  hector

hector,
Totally agree!

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  hector

As far as football is concerned Brendan is his tactics and his tactics are him what he puts on the park is what he has produced so if as a result of that we get gubbed 5,6 and now 7–1 that’s ok is it cause you love him !!
By the way most of what you said after that I agree with.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Where are these wonderful players that we have that BR can put on the park for his master-class of defensive invincibility, answer….we do not have them, they do not exist, they live in the recess of your brain, tactics means…nothing if you do not have the players to play them and its not just defenders its midfielders and forwards, mibbee we should ask Paul Daniels to conjure them up….magic.

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

64 not out! They must have some ability and defensive tactics may bring it out but please not three at the back against PSG.
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Five we played and you could add the midfield as well.
and still they couldn’t cope with the pace, skill and the sheer brilliance of PSG unfortunately, then add the goalkeeper, then add bad luck because you need some luck for goals to come of the inside of the post.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Yes I am psychotic, oops err psychic. 😉

6 years ago

I am amazed at how many supporters are willing to accept this. Rodgers said he was interested in the performance. Well what was that. He then outright lies by suggesting that it was better than Barca last year. No it was not. 15 months on and we are still shipping 7 goals in a game. Ralph is 100% right. no professional team should ship 7 goals. But the result was not the most galling part the performance was. i now there are a lot of supporters who will say 700 million pound team man whit kin ye dae? Well not perform like a two bob outfit would be a start. There was no fight at all, no guts and no belief. it just goes to show what beating everyone in Scotland 64 times in a row does for confidence. Absolutely nothing. I like Brendan rodgers because of the last 16 months or so in charge. At Liverpool I thought he was a complete bullshit artist, who was the last person to believe his own bullshit. some people down there still think the same of him. And the comments he made last night have made him a laughing stock. He should have said nothing. And please do not tell me that Celtic supporters don’t care, because we care what everyone thinks about us. we need better players than we have to keep the score down and if that takes 25 million then get the money spent because this was not a bad night the office, or a one off in a meaningless game, this was our future. And it will be the exact same next year if we do not get rid of a lot of the substandard players we have an buy better.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  john

Spot on…..even Brown was on the news tonight stating we’ll not change and still play attacking football in Europe….lesson learnt?…..

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago

I remember a team packed with grade A internationals getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona and knocked out – that’s right it was PSG. So see like teams full of internationals do get drubbed. Calls for Rogers to be sacked or there are better are pure utter nonsense at this stage. What we are hearing is Celtic should turn into Motherwell and Ross County when we are in Europe. Kick anything that moves and have seven at the back. Pish! How is that working for teams playing celtic domestically – that right not at all. Get over it folks. We will thrash Motherwell and have the first leg of the treble. Barring a collapse at home we will be in the Europa League. I know I’m equally horrified by the score and at the same time PSG are in another world.

charlie
6 years ago
6 years ago

Monti, I had to put it off because of the PSG players who were having a right old laugh at our express. they were clearly mocking us on the park. Laughing at the standard of the team. It was cruel. What the apologists for this kind of performance do not take into consideration is the reputational damage this does. We do not want to become a laughing stock. And when we start to talk about our 64 game unbeaten record it just causes mirth and hilarity in decent opposition. There can be absolutely no excuse for hardly making a tackle and getting beat 7-1. It is shameful, embarrassing and humiliating. Celtic should not get beat 7-1 by anyone. If it continues, we will not be allowed to play in the tournament. We will be one of the clubs axed.

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  john

John I’m afraid I’m unable to take you seriously. Your anti Celtic agenda written here and other places leads me to believe you are a plant. We will continue to beat everyone in Scotland and improve in Europe as well as runna very successful Club financially. I know that irks you no end – live with it

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  Broxburnbhoy

Improve in Europe? Proof please…..

charlie
6 years ago
Reply to  john

john and monti get a room ffs

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Charlie,
Shut yer pus 🙂

schoosh71
6 years ago

Firstly Brendan made a tactical error in believing James Forrest had the ability to play ‘wing back’, especially when playing in the same area as Neymar, who was given so much room and time on the ball. When Lustig went of Brown should have been put to right back with Nir slotting into central mid’. Our three poor performances this season in the Champions League PSG H/A, Bayern away have came right after in international break that leaves the team with little or next to no time to prepare. As for PSG I don’t think I’ve watched a game were the goals scored were so clinical, being they had scored 6 goals just inside to the post. It’ll take some team to beat them this season. HH

charlie
6 years ago
Monti
6 years ago

Brendan Rodgers is a world class manager who is privileged to lead our club, he is leading the club well and i’m right behind him all the way.
Brendan needs a few signings mainly in defence andcin my opinion a new keeper.
We are on the right road, we will come again & i believe we will beat Anderlecht at home.

Anyone suggesting Brendan isn’t up to the managers job is a fucking bell end!

We need to get the defence sorted in January & give the Europa league a real go.

IN BRENDAN I TRUST!
HH

Tourtenay
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti,
Please explain to me how Brendan has become a “World class manager”.
Compare his CV with that of Ancelloti, Mourinho, Heyneks and the like or even Stein, Paisley, Clough or Ferguson.
They are world class managers because they have produced world class teams and trophy’s to match.
Yes Brendan is doing a brilliant job domestically in Scotland with Celtic but when he gets the bus out of Scotland his mantle slips, the results are proof of that.
Yes I do believe we will beat Anderlecht to go into the Europa cup but there are teams that have dropped down into that competition that will sorely test our abilities.
World Class?
Not yet but lets hope that is to come.
HH

Iljas Baker
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Nice for reason to get an airing now and again. Thanks Tourtney. The evidence speaks. And let’s not forget if it wasn’t for the awful shooting skills of SPFL teams the weaknesses of the defense would be even more apparent.

highseastim
6 years ago

Still amazed that folk are posting Dembele was a plus point last night, he was hopeless and easily beaten at every turn, just like at Dingwall on Saturday, even his goal took a deflection and a blooper by their keeper.Broonie’s misplaced pass for the equaliser was disappointing, but there were still plenty opportunities for a tackle. As much as I hate to say it the second half goals were mainly due to Tierney being posted missing. Everyone of their goals bar one hit the side netting or off the post, the other Gordon got a block, but couldn’t keep it out. But for some superb saves, we were staring double figures in the face. When I see some of the teams dropping into the Europa league, things ain’t going to get much easier.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  highseastim

Dembele wasn’t hopeless, he is a fantastic young player coming back from injury!

highseastim
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I don’t think he beat a defender all night and when running at the defenders they knew exactly what he would do, as he never changed his angle of attack.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  highseastim

Dembele did a lot of unselfish running for the team last night, not an easy gig up against Marquinhos & Silva.
He also scored a great goal & unlucky not to win a penalty.

highseastim
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

If that had been Craig Gordon in the PSG goal you would have been slaughtering him!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

?

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  highseastim

He’ll be sold in Jan unless his hamstring goes again….

Doc
6 years ago

That was brutal. We played well the first ten minutes, ok the next ten, then we stood back and let them do what they wanted. The second half they took the foot off the gas and we crept back into it as their movement became stumbling and their runs became jogs. The subs they made seemed to spark them and they done what they wanted again.

We were outclassed, technically, tactically and even on work rate. Our defence looked like they had just met and couldn’t speak the same language. They decided after ten minutes to switch to a back two and go 2-5-3, it gave Dembele space on the flanks but every supporting run was tracked and marked. The switch let them flood the midfield and with their sensational movement they ran through us, when we did win it we were under pressure and they committed the players to get the second ball almost every time.

Ratings:

Gordon – 3 – We needed Harald Schumacher and we got Michael, coma included. Made a couple of saves but was a statue for every single chip through.

Lustig – 5 – Lasted 10 mins, retained the ball every time but got skinned by nae-mark for the goal.

Boyata – 3 – Passed well with one or two exceptions, defended very badly. Unable to organise, read the game or even cope with the basics.

Jozo – 2 – Not match fit, like a pre-season friendly, napping for every chip through. Just wasn’t in the game physically and even more removed mentally.

Tierney – 5 – Not his best, done well against Alves but Mpappe running inbetween had him in fits and unable to cope. One of our better players on the ball.

Forrest – 6 – Our MOTM, on the ball the most, passed very well but overcooked too many of his solo runs, needed support and not given it.

Brown – 6 – Not his usual self, passed very well except one big mistake, caught ball watching too often, seemed crowded out by our own bunched midfield.

Ntcham – 5 – Passing was okay and did well in spells but was ball watching far too often defensively.

McGregor – 5 – Struggled to impact the game from the left, linked well with Tierney but his effective movement was missing in this position.

Rogic – 5 – Passed well but hardly on the ball, a lot deeper than usual and struggled to get involved.

Dembele – 6 – Played well on his own but seemed to give up and stop on 50 mins. Surprised he was given another 15 mins.

Biton – 4 – Unknown position and unknown performance, thrown in at the deep end and he sank. Our best passer but no ambition and rarely forward.

Kouassi – 5 – Got about and passed well but struggled to have a meaningful impact.

Griffiths – 5 – Barely on the ball, dropped into ineffective positions to get it.

Rodgers – 1 – Got it wrong big time. Was it a back four? Back five? Did the players even know? Defence were turned into headless chickens by them drifting and were unprepared for it being chipped through even though we know exactly what their going to do. We know they play it over the top but we gave them the space they needed to do so. Our midfield was a flat line and it let them move between at will. Kept Dembele on for too long after he stopped trying. McGregor on the left negated the best aspect of his game. Rogic was hardly involved yet stayed on.

Another total destruction and capitulation, could esily have been double figures if they hadn’t let up. The only positive is that we finally ran out to cover short corners, though it did take three hammerings for us to do so. Those that said Rodgers isn’t a ‘big game’ manager look as if they’ve been proven right, he seems to struggle to get the players to adapt to something different. The boss was a centre half, our coach also and we have an all time great full back and a CL runner up centre half on the staff yet our defence is so fragile. The cracks that started to show against Astana haven’t been patched, instead they’ve been blown open. We need defenders that can actually defend.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Doc

“Those who said that Rodgers was not a big game manager it looks like they were proven right”.

Pure mince, our players cost approx. £17 million pounds and the Qatari play things cost aprox. £hundreds of millions, how can you say that when their is no absolutely no comparison in monetary terms, none. You can only make the comparison when the same stats apply.
How would other teams from minor leagues compare, the Ajax’s, the Quarabegs et all, answer exactly the same, that is if half their players stayed on the pitch.

Doc
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike, in the last year and a half, every team PSG have played done better than us except Bastia who are in the fifth tier. This season Monpellier and Marseille have got draws as well as Roma in the pre-season tournament, where PSG were beaten by Juve and Spurs.

I’m not expecting us to beat them but I am expecting us not to get destroyed.

Domestically, Sevco have spent a lot, more than they have, yet Hibs gave us our toughest games. There’s more to it than money.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Doc, The teams that you refer to Montpellier and Marseille are French so presumably they compete in league games against PSG, which is totally different to wanting to be first in your group of the C.L. I accept that we played badly last night but the hysteria on here because we were tanked by PSG was as predictable as the result, someone even mentioned a 4-0 victory to Celtic. I am ignoring the Sevco comparison because they are not Big games. Truthfully I feel that we need another two centre-backs and cover at r.b. with a meaty midfielder and another keeper, but I am realistic enough to know that this is not possible all at once. But only if BR had the same money available could I be happy to see him judged with the comparison mentioned.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

BTW the defenders had just met and it stood out completely.

Doc
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

You’re right about needing new centre halfs, though I don’t know why they are so poor considering the coaches, it’s like they can’t play man-to-man. Not sure about a new right back, I would like to see more of Ralston.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

The two centre-backs have been changing intermittently since Virgil and Denyar, we need a settled back four pronto until we get them this dancing with strangers will continue. I like the thought of one ball playing centre-half and one like Paul Elliot he was brilliant.
Totally agree on young Ralston, I have high hopes for him.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Boyata 3?…cough

Doc
6 years ago

Big comment stolen

mike
6 years ago

As painful as last night was and it was painful, it took another big loss to a rich oil states fitba. play thing, for all the bed wetters to group together to hammer our manager and our team, the same team who domestically remain unbeaten and have won every trophy that they have entered.
The supporters, the real supporters, who spent their money to follow Celtic were immense from start to finish singing their hearts out and backing the team, pity some on here couldn’t do the same.
To call for the manager to be sacked was despicable, I cannot get my head around that, the best manager we have had for ages including Lenny and MON.
To hear Keane criticise the players, mind him getting beat by Airdrie and the Republic who collapsed against Denmark..hip o crit.

maryhillbhoy
6 years ago

Never heard so much shite from fellow Celtic fans, PSG are one of the handful of genuinely megs rich super clubs we were poor but they have the ability to do that to anyone. Our true measure is how we do against Anderlecht or Rosenborg or Astana and so far we are doing fine. If you don’t accept that’s our level go find an actual billionaire to spend a fortune on the club, as long as you accept that he/she can do what they want to the soul of our club.

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  maryhillbhoy

Mary hill Bhoy – that’s sounds too much like common sense to me. Well said

SteveNaive
6 years ago

John…good points again but how do you think Moult and McGInn would improve us in Europe ? They are less than what we have at present. This poverty of thinking has partly led to where we are. Who didn’t think this was going to happen ?

Wisnae me
6 years ago

PSG had the ball for about 60 mins, flowing forward at pace and Celtic fouled 5 times – the tackling must have been spectacular.
Celtic had the ball for about 30 mins, PSG fouled 9 times – dirty bastards.

If we want to avoid these drubbings we can just go back to getting beat in the qualifiers and take smaller defeats in the Europa league.

Gareth Savage
6 years ago

I was as frustrated as anyone last night but is it BR’s fault when Broony who normally never gives the ball away does so for the first goal. I actually thought we played very well last night going forward. Witness Jamsey knocking it round the man then beating a second one. If we’d pulled the trigger a bit sooner we could have had a few goals. We are not going to face Neymar every season (hopefully anyway)but there is only so much our level of player can do against that. Our defending for some of the goals does deserve criticism but I am sure no matter what level you’ve played at you’ve been stuffed and regardless of how much the players get paid getting stuffed like that is demoralizing. Most teams only have time to develop one style of football and while I was shouting to hoof it long at times last night it would have only come back just as quickly.
Were these big defeats to PSG and Barca as bad as losing home and away to the likes of Molde and losing to Maribor? Personally I don’t think so.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Gareth Savage

Money can buy you love..mibbee but money talks on the fitba. park or else Ajax and all the other teams like Quarabag et al. would be doing much better. Molde, Rosenberg, Maribor every one who plays in a so called smaller league will never, never be able to compete with Qatari
money or EPL, Italian or Spanish leagues. We played two players last night our biggest signings that cost just over £4 million pounds, most of our players cost less than £1 million pounds, but its the manager its his fault, his tactics, we should have parked the bus, no way jose, could you watch that, even if we had parked the bus, would the score be less, no chance.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

At Morrison’s unfortunately but not Fuckingham and Masons. where the meaty is….tasty tasty very very tasty. 😉

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

In Amsterdam….money can buy ‘love’ 🙂

Doc
6 years ago

A bit of perspective, PSG have scored 7 twice in the last year and a half. Against ourselves and against Bastia, who are in the fifth tier of French football.

6 years ago

Steve i was not talking about Europe. These players and as I said Ia m not totally convinced by them, would be for domestic competition and to replace what we have now. Dembele is gone, probably in January and I reckon that Brown doesn’t have long left therefore McGinn might be the one for the next season and possibly the future. As I said in my post these two were included as they are cheap and celtic will always go for the cheap option. Or no option as the summer proved. they need to address the problem now or it will be a 10-0 aggregate if we make it to the EL (lose an early goal at Celtic Park against Anderlecht and the bottle might completely crash). Also, Brendan Rodgers is lucky to be the manager of Celtic and thankfully appears to be grateful every day of the week. Celtic are a huge and important football club. too many supporters have given up and have adopted the small-minded mentality of our neighbours across town. beating them was never enough. They are dead. And Celtic will be virtually dead if they are not a European side. Scotland is not enough. Winning 64 games in arow means nothing outside of Scotland. And last night just proves how bad our football is. Robert, you seem to think being uncritical of the manager makes a supporter. you are probably happy to see Celtic being the biggest fish in the smallest pond in Europe. A lot of supporters are not and with the death of rangers expect Celtic to be better in real competitions. Last night was unacceptable. Regardless of how much the opposition cost. Another few of them and our club is a laughing stock. This cannot be allowed to continue. Celtic must compete and fight. Not lie down and die while counting the cash, which never gets spent anyway . But i suppose this view is not serious. We must all continue along the same path, which leads nowhere.

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  john

John you are on record as calling the Celtic Chairman a “pig” or a “crook”. You dislike the manager we have and consider him lucky to be at Celtic. You dislike most of the players who are not even up to SPL standards according to you. And you call Celtic fans on here small minded. Unless we can spend 200m euros on a striker or 180 million on a midfielder as well we are going to be in a certain grade. That is a reality and no wishing it other wise will change that. Just like we are the PSG of the SPL and no wishing it away will change it, even though Huns will call the drubbings we give them “unacceptable”. You can deride the whole Celtic Football Club All you want I suppose and at the same time claim to be a supporter. That said all hear from you is how bad Celtic are. I have drawn my own conclusions.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Broxburnbhoy

A DOB?

mike
6 years ago

😉

BJF
6 years ago

I believe the vast majority of us are delighted with Brendan and the job he has done in Scotland and in getting us into the group stages.Perhaps we are expecting too much too soon but the skill level we have witnessed in the league should be transferable to Europe. We haven’t blown teams away in the qualifying rounds which we put down to games coming too early in our preseason. We did a good job in Belgium, was that a one off. A lot of doubts will be answered in the return fixture against Anderlecht.
I am glad someone else wS impressed with Forrest, he tackled back to prevent a certain goal but going forward he couldn’t blow defenders away as he does in Scotland. Let’s take the League Cup, do for Anderlecht and improve the team’s quality in the two transfer windows especially at the back.. I wonder how much the team was unsettled by Kudtig’s departure, we have no real right back cover at present or indeeed for KT.

Tourtenay
6 years ago

Ah, I get your point, lose the argument and resort to verbal abuse and personal insults.
Your not from follow follow are you?
HH

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Tourtenay

Saiz the guy who wants BR. sacked, for a defeat last night, your not from the Apprentice are you!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Apprentice boys more like…

Gerry
6 years ago

Quite a few are getting obsessed with money; please remember a transfer fee indicates what someone is prepared (able) to pay, not what a player is worth. Neymar goes for £200m, does that mean he’s four times better than Zidane? 16 times better than Henry, who I think Barca pinched from Arsenal for £12.5m somehow.I honestly think some players are in the same boat and all they see is the money and not the human being standing in front of them. A human being can be stopped if you’ve not already chucked it.
There are problems at Celtic, Brendan is doing what he can to correct them and is doing a great job of it so far. We are not going to make radical improvements but need to make steady progress over time with a consistent manager and philosophy of play, that’s what the man is doing. Last year – qualify, this year – Europa?, next year – better points total and Europa perhaps; within five years can we hope to be challenging for last 16 progress, these are realistic step changes and a realisic timeframe, unless we get a really favourable draw in the CL we’ll struggle to get last 16. I don’t enjoy watching us get battered and could do without it, but if it’s part of the learning curve for us as a squad, perhaps we’ll look back on this time and think that’s the pain we had to endure to enable us to compete consistently at the higher level. It might not work out, but I’m definitely behind Brendan now and hope rather than expect for the improvements many have pointed out above in January – please God January, let’s not cobble something together a day or two before these qualifiers.

Broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  Gerry

Last 5 winners of CL

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich,
Chelsea. I could go on. I will guess either PSG or Man City will join this list soon enough. Rather than obsession with money, the more you can spend the better the players you can buy nearly all of time. The better the players you can buy the more you win nearly all of the time. We know this because we are this in Scotland.

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