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Celtic Diary Tuesday July 18: Title Stripping. Why It Can’t Be Done.

Its actually quite simple.

Who do they accuse, who do they put on trial, and who forms the defence ?

As you are aware, the “Traverso Letter “, sent to the Resolution 12 guys in response to a number of questions about Rangers being given a licence to play in Europe ended on this note..

If anyone at the SFA, the SPFL or the mainstream media wishes to debate the wording, lets all do it around the table.

With Traverso present.

UEFA could not punish Rangers, because Rangers were no longer in business.

In law, a dead man cannot be convicted. He’s an essential part of the defence in his trial.

It did happen in 2016, but was overturned.

Dead mans conviction overturned )

 

Thats criminal law, of course, and not corporate law.

It may be irrelevant, but we’re dealing with allegations of crime, corporate crime, but crime committed by individuals in the name of a company.

What about prosecuting a company in liquidation ?

Health and Safety Executive

Proceeding against a company in voluntary winding-up

It is possible to proceed against a company in voluntary liquidation. There is no prohibition on doing so where there has been no winding-up petition made to a court or winding-up order made. Whether this is an appropriate course of action will depend on the circumstances of each case and should be agreed with the Procurator Fiscal. It may be desirable for example where the directors of the company intend to set up a new company after the present company is wound up, or where the winding up is part of a takeover.

Where there is evidence that one or more directors have a history of setting up new companies, after winding up their previous company, it may be appropriate to bring proceedings under section 37 HSWA, against the directors as well as the company. 

Three directors of the new company also involved with the old at the time it went down ?

Something to think about.

Whichever way we look at this, we may be on the point of working out exactly what the “fine legal mind “, not from Arbroath, told the SFA and by association, the SPFL.

In a nutshell ?

Don’t do it. You’ll make yourselves look stupid.

Apart from opening a whole can of worms should any of this end up in court, its not really a legal matter. Not the titles, at least.

Thats entirely up to the SFA/SPFL.

However, should they remove them on grounds of cheating, that would open up a whole set of questions.

 

Therefore those in charge at the  SFA and SPFL have decided not to kick away the ladder they climbed to get to where they are

Rangers are in liquidation.

The new club/company cannot be held responsible for anything that happened at the old club.

That is what would be concluded after any investigation, no matter who undertook the task.

However, what it will also reveal is that Rangers are in liquidation, and that the current entity is sod all to do with them.

Which might prove a little embarrassing for those who have gone public with the “same club ” nonsense.

Especially if some one who bought tickets or merchandise under the illusion it was an official Rangers item. They are in liquidation, and cannot trade.

Neil Doncaster, for instance, who it appears started the myth, might be forced to explain himself..

Remember the Five Way agreement..it was never made public for discussion.. thats where it all started, and why they didn’t throw it open for discussion.

External Draft 6
 
AGREEMENT AMONG
 
SUBJECT TO CONTRACT: DRAFT
 
 
(1) THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION LIMITED
(2) THE SCOTTISH PREMIER LEAGUE LIMITED
(3) THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE
(4) THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (IN ADMINISTRATION)
(5) SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED 
Contents
Clause
Page
AGREEMENT AMONG:
(1) THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION LIMITED, a company incorporated in Scotland (registered number SC005453) whose registered office is at Hampden Park, Glasgow G42 9AY (the “SFA”);
(2) THE SCOTTISH PREMIER LEAGUE LIMITED, a company incorporated in Scotland (registered number SC175364) whose registered office is at Hampden Park, Glasgow G42 9AY (the “SPL”);
(2) THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE, an unincorporated association acting through its Board having its principal place of business at Hampden Park, Glasgow G42 9EB (the “SFL”);
(4) THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (IN ADMINISTRATION), a company incorporated in Scotland (registered number SC004276) whose registered office is at Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow G51 2XD (“RFC”), acting through the Joint Administrators (defined below); and
(5) SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED, a company incorporated in Scotland (registered number SC425159) whose registered office is at Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow G51 2XD (“Sevco”).
RECITALS:
(A) The SFA is a private company limited by guarantee which is the governing body of association football in Scotland whose aim is to promote, foster and develop the game at all levels in Scotland.
(B) The SPL is a private company limited by shares which owns, promotes and operates the “Scottish Premier League”, in which the association football clubs owned and operated by the twelve holders for the time being of the issued shares in the SPL compete.
(C) The SFL is an unincorporated association of thirty members acting through its Board which owns, promotes and operates the “Scottish Football League”, in which the thirty association football clubs owned and operated by its thirty members for the time being compete in three divisions (first, second and third).
(D) RFC is a public company limited by shares which (i) is a full member (as defined in the SFA Legislation (as defined below)) of the SFA; (ii) owns one of the twelve issued Shares in the SPL; and (iii) owned and operated an association football club known as “Rangers FC” (defined below) which played in the Scottish Premier League during season 2011/12.
(E) Sevco is a private company limited by shares.
(F) Following the completion of a controlled auction process by the Joint Administrators (defined below), Sevco has purchased substantially all the business and assets of RFC by entering into the SPA (defined below).
(G) Sevco will become, following on the transfer to it of the full membership of RFC in the SFA, on Completion (defined below) the operator of Rangers FC within the Third Division of the Scottish Football League.
(H) Sevco has applied for and has been admitted as an Associate Member of the SFL (defined below) subject always to Rule 16 of the SFL Rules and during season 2012/13 (at a minimum) shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League.
(I) Dundee FC (defined below) will resign from membership of the SFL, its membership of the SFL will automatically terminate and Dundee FC will have transferred to it by RFC the one Share held by RFC and during season 2012/13 (at a minimum) shall play in the Scottish Premier League.
(J) The members of the SFL passed the SFL Resolution (defined below) on 13 July 2012.
(K) The SFA, the SPL, the SFL, RFC and Sevco have between and among each other agreed to give various undertakings and to contract as set out in this Agreement.  
Got that ?
Thats so you know who is who, or who they all say is who. Sevco own RFC, or at least some of it. Thats where this takeover thing comes in, which of course is nonsense, as they paid none of the old company’s debts, or even tried to.
So, on with the show, business as usual.
And it is a business.
Whats interesting is that the SPFL and the SFA are technically private companies.
Whats also interesting is that the agreement  appears to be concocted to attempt to explain the same club myth-yeah, i know its basics, but it helps us to all start from the same base. Except for the creditors of the old club, they don’t count
But hang on, further down the agreement says that the new club should be held liable for anything the old club did..
2.1 The SPL, Sevco and RFC hereby agree that on Completion Sevco shall, other than with respect to the CW Exempt Acts, become liable and responsible for the purpose of imposition of sanctions by the SPL for any and all acts and/or omissions of RFC and/or Rangers FC which predated Completion including the CW Enduring Acts and which caused, resulted in, contributed or led to a breach of or failure to fulfil any provision or provisions of the SPL Articles and/or the SPL Rules by RFC and/or Rangers FC as if, for that purpose, such acts and/or omissions had occurred at a time when Sevco was the owner and holder of the RFC Share and Rangers FC had been owned and operated by Sevco and Sevco had been a full member of the SFA. 
CW Exempt acts ?
“CW Exempt Acts” means all acts and omissions of or undertaken under instruction from or with the actual knowledge of Craig Whyte during the period of his tenure as Chairman of RFC, the sanctions for which are enforceable against RFC and not against CW as an individual and which are not CW Enduring Acts;
“CW Enduring Acts” means all acts and omissions of or undertaken under instruction from or with the actual knowledge of Craig Whyte during the period of his tenure as Chairman of RFC, the sanctions for which are enforceable against RFC and not against CW as an individual where such acts or omissions relate to or are in any way connected with, directly or indirectly, corruption, fraud, bribery, match-fixing, unauthorised or undisclosed payments to players or Match Officials, or any matter similar in its reprehensible nature to any of the foregoing which acts or omissions are of at least equal gravity to those found to have been committed by or engaged in by RFC in the JP Determination. 
Effectively, that sounds like they’re going to call it the same club when it suits.
History, Trophies, Trading name, merchandise.
Not debts. Especially not debts.
Which is exactly what they did.
And why they cannot strip the titles.
They’ve already said they won’t. In 2012, as it didn’t suit the agenda.
“Rangers ” had to be back in the game, one way or another.

 

Sporting integrity-don’t make me laugh.
That doesn’t matter, we are dealing with private companies whose remit -like any other company-is to make money.
Sensible executives would have gone down the route of creating a new club, punishing those who sunk the old one, and selling a new , clean business. As we have seen, there is a market for a club from Ibrox, but of course the danger was, and still is, that Ibrox would have to be sold to pay off the debts…
Not this lot. Hide the assets away and pretend nothing happened.

 

The whole thing is a mess, a complete embarrassment to the game in Scotland, a game which you and I are paying into, either directly or indirectly.
There are two private companies running this fiasco.
Is there any other industry in the world who would continue to get your business after such a show of incompetence or misgovernance ?
If you bought a season book for a train journey, and the train didn;t show up, would you not just get the bus the next time ?

 

Its one thing to demand the titles be stripped, and frankly its not going to happen unless the SFA and SPFL decide they will do it.
They are private companies who can do what they want, and up until now, you and I are paying them to run their own little fiefdom.
Keeping the focus on title stripping means we are not concentrating on the real issue.
Which is the removal of those who allowed this to happen. Those who , it seems, actively encouraged it.
Should the SFA and SPFL not resign en masse, then the clubs should resign from the SFA and SPFL.
Thast the only option now, either get rid of them or get away from them.
We can also look at bringing prosecutions against the SFA and the SPFL, crowdfunded if need be, because it is they who did not do the job they were paid to do. But thats for later.

They’ve been taking our money for years under false pretences. Those days are now numbered, and that number is falling one by one.
No other company would get away with what they have done over the last few years.
Why should they ?

 

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Friller
6 years ago

Time to get fans groups from other clubs in Scotland to get behind this motion, crowd fund it and get rid of the corrupt people running our game. It will show the world how we feel about sporting integrity in our game

Bear1888
6 years ago
Reply to  Friller

Excellent piece, I feel the main problem is as you say, only if they want it. In a democratic society the best way to try to shine focus on areas of wrong doing is in peaceful protest. A demonstration outside hampden would be a start. This might raise enough awareness that the media outside of Scotland might take notice. It’s not just the rfc in liquidation problem the sfa face, Scotland have not qualified for a major tournament for almost 20 year while the people in charge of the game continue to pick up extremely large salaries while the blame is put on successive managers. Football in Scotland has suffered extremely since the early 90’s due to corporate negligence at the highest levels of our game. The failure to secure a more lucrative TV deal while leagues of similar size out match us is failure of the highest level. With no real direction or plan for the future it is no wonder Scotland is loosing more and more young supports to epl. Time for change…

Morto
6 years ago
Reply to  Bear1888

Let’s not stop at other Scottish clubs, there are many European clubs who faced the cheats and lost out over the years.
Spread this to the rest of Europe and we might actually get a proper investigation.
We know the authorities in Scotland won’t deal with this, that applies to football, political and legal so let’s take it beyond that stage.

CarlJungleBhoy
6 years ago

Great stuff Ralph! It only takes one domino to fall to change the game for ever. Keep up the pressure.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  CarlJungleBhoy

Talking of Domino’s……..Pizza menu?

Dr Sticky Boots
6 years ago

Good article but unfortunately I fear that once again nothing is going to come of this.

Fans have been overlooked for years and we are constantly told just to move on. This is not a Celtic vs SFA/SPFL/Rangers issue, and the silence from every other club in the country is deafening. With Resolution 12 Celtic sat back until fans stopped buying season tickets, then they decided they were going to act. They issued a few ‘call to arms’ statements, had a few meetings, then signed Brendan Rodgers, sold 50,000+ season tickets and have done nothing since. Has any other club made any comment on Res 12? Not that I am aware of.

Celtic then made a statement on the day of the BTC result and then again nothing. Season tickets are sold out with a 3 year waiting list. This to me looks like again nothing is going to happen. This saddens me greatly as after such a wonderful season last year my passion and enthusiasm to follow a club I love and have done so since I was 6 years old is diminishing little by little every day. I spent a lot of money and time following Celtic and buying merchandise throughout the ‘EBT years’ and this was all for a fixed game. I’d have been as well spending that on WWF or pro-cycling. Now that this has all come to light, why is there no drive and determination to force change and clean up the game from anyone other than the fans? If what happened over those years is allowed to stand, why should I continue to spend my time and money on something that I can never guarantee is a fair game?

Admin
6 years ago

Bravo!

6 years ago

Can’t disagree with any of your post, Dr Sticky, I wasn’t for renewing last year, much to my inner dismay, only for Celtic to say they were going to act. I then did renew, gladly so as it was a fantastic season, but it now seems like a forlorn hope that anything will be done. I too have supported Celtic since I was 5 or 6, I am 62 now, absolutely love Celtic, I wish the BTC ruling had come out before this seasons renewal forms arrived in the post. The board have our money now, and by this time next year it will probably be forgotten. Still, there are at least 4 ‘Old Firm’ games to look forward to…………..

Celtic125
6 years ago

Mibbees we should all email Stone Cold Steve Austin and see if he can sort it out.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago

Fine work Ralph.Main problem is business is business and most of/all the clubs know on which side their bread is buttered.League season starts soon and the clamour will die down or will it? Record ST sales at Parkhead seem to point to happy to pay into a crooked system,customers.As stated before,stripping the titles opens up huge problems concerning domestic Cup and past European participation.Meanwhile,UEFA show that they’ll take any opportunity to ” get at” Celtic.Wonder if they would do the same to R.Madrid,Barcelona and members of the “elite” in the C.L.?KTF

Tyneside No1
6 years ago

Sep Blatter thought he was untouchable, we need to find a skeleton in the closet. The doors of justice will open when the truth is out in the open. Doncaster and Reagan are like a PM waiting to fall. They will sell their soul to remain in power. Keep up the good work. Really appreciate it . HH

Morto
6 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside No1

Phrase I never thought I’d say but,
“We need our own Chuck Blazer who is happy to spill the beans on the others”.

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago

P.S. Breaking news of President of Spanish Football Federation arrested in anti- corruption investigation.Take note UEFA and SFA and SPFL…..

Althetim
6 years ago

Not enough people care. The ones that do (and I’m one of them) make a lot of noise and if you’re amongst the noisy bunch, you like to believe everyone thinks as you do.
The evidence tells a different story.

This petition https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-the-titles has been on the go for a couple of weeks but after a blistering start, there are less than 11,000 signatures. Celtic alone have over 50,000 season ticket holders plus tens of thousands of armchair supporters and others who for whatever reason can’t get to Celtic Park.

Not enough people care. That’s why nothing will happen.

Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  Althetim

I would never have anything to do with 38degrees…you could spend quite an afternoon following the links to that organisation.

Althetim
6 years ago
Reply to  Desi Mond

Yes, you could.

However, this is not about 38degress per se, it’s about gathering sufficient support to insist on justice being delivered in a transparent manner.

Desi – if you have a moral issue with 38degrees, why not start a petition of your own on a platform you find more palatable?

Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  Althetim

I personally think petitions are up there with “lets have a demo in the car park” from Grange Hill

Althetim
6 years ago
Reply to  Desi Mond

Ok, lets bin petitions and car park demos. Maybe a polite, friendly wee letter to Messrs Regan and Doncaster asking if they could possibly reconsider the RES12 and LNS issues will do the trick. How’s about we all cross our fingers and hope for the best? Perhaps if we all sat on our hands and hummed la la la long enough we will see justice administered.

Personally, I think a demo in the Hampden car park is a great idea. I think demos by all fans prior to every match is a great idea. For as long as it takes.

6 years ago

Thats all well and good Ralph but the real question is …
WHO WON THE CAPTION COMP?

Naw but seriously this strip or not to strip/Rangers or not Rangers thing cuts both ways.

Removing titles from the history books affects no one person or Club.
Rangers imploded through poor business Management their fans failed to react in time and save it from oblivion.
As a result they died owing and absolute fortune to a plethora of creditors.
If the New Club or the SFA wish to continue with this myth then HMRC should take the The New/Same Club to court for the £49m they owe.
Same Directors are involved now if they put that scenario to them 3 which option do we think they will take?
Option A The same Club who own the history the Debts the lot
Option B Different entity who have nothing to do with the Old Rangers including debt or titles.
My guess is they would go for Option B
What’s yours?
On the SFA shit the answer is simple do not attend any away games where Clubs who have said hee haw about the BTC decision are the opposition.
These cunts want the blue pound do they?
Well Celtic being the largest supported club in Scotland (50k plus SB holders) have way more green backs to spend than the blue Monopoly money on offer at Ayebrokes.
Don’t take any tickets for Scottish Cup games until the SFA do the right thing.
If you choose to put your cash in their pocket you are by default agreeing with their actions on all of this.

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Ps
spend all your cash at CP and keep the finances rolling in at the only Club who are saying anything or doing anything.
Celtic should start looking at buying a lower League team in England.
It would be money well spent as the SFA SPFL and the rest of the Clubs realise we mean business and they are about to lose the biggest revenue generator in Scotland.
Fuck them.

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Carlisle are financially sound but there was an opportunity a few year ago when Darlington went pop.
A new Stadium with a Capacity of 25,000 and a Club desperately needing finances.
It was sold in the end for £2.5m leaving Creditors highly passed off.
It was perfect Celtic could have used it as a reserve side with a view to climbing the Leagues.
Not only that it could have been treated as a B side that copied the first team methods like Barca do in Spain.
This l believe would give Celtic the upper hand in any negotiations about stripping titles or otherwise.
The SFA and SPFL would be terrified at the thought we could turn round and say fuck you were off to Darlington or wherever.
There are plenty Celtic fans in England who can’t get up the road who would welcome going to a B team and fill that ground and it’s something DD and the Board should look at.
I know there are issues with dual ownership etc but if there’s chance a club like Darlington can be saved,improved and add to the English game I’m fairly sure their SFA would welcome it?
After all was Mike Ashley not involved at 2 Club north and south of the border simultaneously?
Just a thought…

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Further to that having a B team already in the English lower leagues would effectively give us first dabs on any potential Jamie Vardys Gary Hoopers or Ian Wrights emerging down there.

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

The FA ‘ not the SFA….
🙂 🙂 FT

jimmybee
6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Weered i had a lovely chat with Willie McStay at Celtic park one day a few years ago.
He was involved with Celtic Nation at Carlisle.
An investor by the name of Frank Lynch had took over Carlisle in the Northern league.
I had asked Willie, if this could be a means for Celtic he was hopeful that they could see it and use it as a feeder club to get them into the football league.
The buses started going down from glasgow and four figure crowds were turning up.
Sadly Mr Lynch pulled his financial assistance and Willie left thinkk it was 2014.
I think we missed a great little oppertunity.

Admin
6 years ago

I was gonna write a piece a while ago on this but i just didnt have the heart. Which of course is exactly what folk like DOncaster and Regan are relying on.

My appreciation to folk like Auldheid and Ralph for being dogged on this knows no bounds but as Ralph would tell you, i have always saw this as doomed from way back.

The day we, as a club, allowed Rangers International to be recognised as Rangers was the end. No amount of hand wringing or “But fairs fair!” exclamations will right any wrongs. That door slammed shut with “Bad History” on one side and “Good Times” on the other.

We are to blame.

We may never know what part Celtic, if any, played in all of this, but at least for now, we know they played NO part in stopping it.

Peter Lawwell is an accountant, so was Fergus McCann, the similarity ends there.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Desi Mond

PISH

Iancelt67
6 years ago

Since you put it like that Ralph I have to fully agree. Expertly put and no room for fickleness. I feel like I should be pilloried for any objection. To be placated just by having titles stripped is no way to go . It’s akin to the property loans thing in America the aptly termed fanny Mae which saw recessions and people losing their homes. It’s had a trickle down effect on every football entity in the country

Abu O'Donnell
6 years ago

I think those with good legal nous should look at and plan for as many possibilities as they can.
For example, if the powers that be are saying sevco are the same club, then is suing either or both ‘the club’ or the SFA/SPFL not a possibility?
If we coould sue them out of existence then so be it.
Surely there is a mechanism/rules(lol), that the clubs can force a vote of no confidence in the administrstors as a first step to removing them from office?
It’s time to concentrate on what CAN be done to get justice.

Monti
6 years ago

STRIP THE FUCKING TITLES

UP THE ‘RA!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I will always look up to the ‘RA 😉

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Oh i did….i just skirted round it….

6 years ago

We need to stop hiding behind Hearts, Aberdeen etc and decide whether we’re the preeminent force in Scottish football and will lead from the front.

The board revel in kudos for how professional etc they are but never put their head above the parapet, which is what leaders do.

Yes, we may do this and not get much support but do nothing and we’ll definitely fail.

Similarly in Europe, I’m tired of the amount of times Lawwell has smoke blown up his ass (“When Peter speaks, everyone listens” said the Barca guy (Laporta?)) and we’re always hauled up for things that other teams get away with.

Perhaps I’m being unfair and the legendary quiet word will be deployed and Griff will “only” get a 1 or 2 game ban.

Celtic125
6 years ago
Reply to  The Cha

You’re right enuff m8 mibbees it’s a job for Vince McMahon (is he a Tim?)

jimmybee
6 years ago

Ralph its well put together. But the side letters are still the game changer, not the 5 way agreement. The titles must be stripped on this point of rule.
Playeres participated in games that they werent registered for. A 3-0 scoreline awarded against them and points deducted on what the score would have been.

Whoriskey
6 years ago

Well said, Ralph, we need rid of them.

Devoy45
6 years ago

Ralph, well done! Excellent in fact. If it’s the same club, then past deeds can still be punished, especially historical ones like titles and cup wins. If same club, there are still millions in outstanding debts to be paid. If different club,then…’same’ history collapses for the Peepil. They can’t have it both ways.
Now, the power of the asterisk*
In 1927, Babe Ruth hit a record 60 home runs for the New York Yankees.
In 1961, Roger Maris of the Yankees hit 61 home runs. However, Maris played a schedule of 162 games (he had 59 home runs in 154 games) compared to Ruth’s schedule of 154. It order not to confuse future fans, Maris’ record was marked by an asterisk* explaining why. Perhaps all the dubious titles and cup wins of Oldco can simply be marked by an asterisk, explaining the EBTs and how they meant the players were not properly registered and the advantages EBTs gave. A little asterisk says a helluva lot. The late Roger Maris always thought so and thought it diminished his record. He forgot that the whole purpose of the asterisk* was to diminish his record, for all time.

broxburnbhoy
6 years ago

I’m a bit puzzled that Rangers Old co and SFA/SPFL seem to be the people that perpetrated a major sporting scandal and somehow for many on here that seems to be Celtic’s or Peter Lowell’s fault? I fail to follow the logic of that. The blame for the rangers debacle lies squarely with Rangers first and SFA/SPFL reaction to it. Simply because Celtic are selling more tickets doesn’t mean that Celtic are unconcerned with cheating. We are selling more tickets because we have a great manager and the makings of a really good side! Lets lay the blame where it actually is rather than talk about boycotting Celtic and absolute nonsense like that. Rangers/SFA and SPFL as well as media all to blame lets blame them!

6 years ago
Reply to  broxburnbhoy

Spot on BB

mike
6 years ago

Just think if the boot was on the other foot and Celtic had perpetrated this fraud, because that is what it boils down to.
The SMSM daily headines, the vitriol from the dark side.
But i bet you this, THEY would be marching to Hampden, placards flying, jackboots stomping in their hurry to get at the shysters trying hold those at the SF!/SPFL to account, and what do we do? fuck all, blame the board, blame the SMSM blame the National broadcaster, wring our hands, nobody will do anything, until the Celtic support, you and me and every Tim mobilise and march on Hampden, then FUCK all will happen. Gie me a shout when you want to DO something.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Our silence is the ammunition that spurs them on , we continually say that we will not go to the back of the bus, but the reality is, is that is exactly where we are. The silence from the other clubs, until Turnbull Hutton, who was the only chairman to stand up and tell the SFA/SPL/SFL to GTF.
and who forced the “Rangers” into the third division, proves this.
If you say nothing, you will get nothing, the Celtic support mobilised to get rid of the old board, this is what we have to do now, do it for ourselves for the future of the beautiful game, so that the next generation of Celtic supporters can look back with pride and acknowledge that there “Fathers” helped to ensure that the game was restored to openness and transparency.

henkesdreadlocks
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Restored?? Has it not dawned on you that has been bent for decades, or is that just my (ours) paranoia.

henkesdreadlocks
6 years ago

Just pulling your chain Mike mio amico.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

I thought that i had deleted “restored” and inserted “altered” so thanks for pointing that out, but you would get the gist of the post, which is its time to get of our arses and DO something about it. I’m sick about talking about it and expecting others to do something about it.!!

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Weered, Bluebell matches, would do the trick. We are just frustrated at the continuing sheer injustice of it all.

henkesdreadlocks
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike, I said at the time of the first game against the tribute act in the semi final that then was the time to call it all out and boycott the games against them and bring things to a head. We already knew then that they had used the side letters. They were bang to rights back then.

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

I do remember that and you were 100% correct and i remember asking on several sites for that boycott only to be told to GTF. You and I both share the same thoughts on all things Celtic and that is why i was suprised at your post, because you DO know my views.
There is nothing the huns would like better than for us to argue and to be divided. You cannot beat face to face discussions, that is the problem with posts on blogs, you do not have the time to openly talk to each other, but rest assured I DO know and respect your views.

henkesdreadlocks
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Just pulling your chain Mike mio amico.

henkesdreadlocks
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Your views are the most balanced, honest and most respected on here Mike (as are PB’s), but your poetry shines a bright light on all things Celtic. I have thought about trawling back through all the diaries and putting together all your poems in one place but I’m a lazy sod, so if somebody has a spare month or two to do it, that would be very much appreciated.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Naw i dinnae get the gist of it 🙂

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Thank you Henke, your comment is most appreciated. !!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

“Restored”?
In what era did we have a fair game like?
Ken

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Stop talking mince, you read my reply to Henke, who btw knows full well my thoughts on the SFA/SPFL and how they have backed the huns at every turn, both in administration and refereeing. He has read my posts for years and is fully aware of my views on all things Celtic, either that or he to is as thick as mince.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Bit harsh…….

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Aye ok mibbee it was, but when you can only discuss on the internet then views are sometimes lost or distorted in the ether. Each of us know and share the same views on all things Celtic. Must be tireder than i thought, am away to bury my heed in a bucket of sand and yes one that is big enough for every orifice.
Thought you were up at Loch Ness, scaring Nessie?

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I am ya heeder…tho we were in Lossiemouth today, fucking roasting it was!
I was on the beach with nothing on but a pair of black pants lol
My girl was pissing herself, i wasn’t giving a fuck 🙂

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Any pics.? 😉

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Mike,
You couldn’t march anywhere ya fucking rocket….bit i’ll push your wheelchair, fix yer blanket & keep you furnished with werthers 🙂

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

That job belongs to Wolfetone, ive been training him for the past 3 years, but if i need my nappy changed……… 😉

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

🙂

6 years ago

I am feeling too positive today to get involved in the corruption in Scottish football, although Ralph has produced a great article. My son got married in the Seychelles this morning so I am on a high(natural). The fact that he only gave his family two week’s notice of the event is neither here nor there because we do not know which bus goes to the Seychelles anyway. Kids! You love ‘em but they can lead you to an early grave.
I hope that Celtic are going to respond to the unfolding saga of the Linfield match and UEFA. Essentially what we have is a coverup operation launched because of an incompetent referee. Why are Celtic charged at all? Because of five bookings from an incompetent? One of these five clearly should be appealed, and the other that followed shortly after the bottle incident was the ref venting his sleen on a player who had pointed out the error in his judgement.
Now Mr Griffiths has assisted the UEFA response by his foolish actions. He has also shifted attention away from the real issues…….namely violence from the terrace and insufficient security. In spite of his foolishness, Celtic have to fight this. The case is there. The ref forced a player to go into a dangerous situation and booked him when he was reluctant to do so. The level of threat increased the more that Griff protested..coins, cans, bottle. Griff was naturally angry over his treatment and provided a non-violent response……the scarf on the goalpost. If the ref had handled the situation properly none of this would have happened. The appropriate response was to stop the game until security had calmed the situation in the terraces. The fact that he did not could have resulted in serious injury to a player or players. The problem persisted later in the game when Hayes took a corner. Again the ref did not stop the game. The ref was the problem and UEFA need to recognise this rather than trying to dodge the issue and blaming both clubs.

Rebus

Celtic125
6 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

I knew you’d come up wae the answer Rebus, the intrepid investigator that you are; it’s the Undertaker we need! Good man.

6 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

Celtic125,

I think I owe you an apology. Recently, I have also been considering walking away from the game. I think it is so corrupt that I get fair scunnered with it at times. However, then I see the team coming together and players developing and I think I should support my team.

I do not like to see the bad guys win. Anyway, I am in for another season of CelticTV at the least.

Rebus

Celtic125
6 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

No apology required. The last five years have been a nightmare. I am not a fan of the Board but I do recognize the brilliant way they have moved the Club since McCann to a properly run modern European set up. No little feat but that in turn has enraged me personally because I have not been able to watch the culmination of those plans. As a Football Club we have never been better placed to repeat our greatest feat. I’m 49 so while I love the Lions it’s still ma auld mans team. I have always been convinced, don’t know why, that we would in my lifetime have our very own version. Then this from Them and the Board calls it wrong. Smart guys and all but not a fighter among them. Whatever your particular take on the whole farrago it is not going to end well for the Tic. There are some decisions in life you just have to get right. Would never have happened if the Bunnet had been in charge and you can take that to the Bank.

Gutted as always.

6 years ago
Reply to  Celtic125

125,

I am not as anti-board as you. I have served on several boards and I know that there is info that members are privy to that the public is never aware of. Also, board members have a variety of responsibilities to diverse publics, including the Law.
It is easy for individuals to say this or that should be done, but the Board members are the ones that are accountable on a personal basis to the Law.
Could the Board have bigger balls? Yes, I agree but they are getting a lot correct.
The problem is that Celtic and its fans feel that they should swim in the big league, whereas their domestic situation hardly supports that. Matching resources to ambition is tricky in this case.
However, the Board should have played it straight with the Res12 guys. I think they took them round the block a few times, hoping that they would get tired.

Rebus

Celtic125
6 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

Rebus67

I believe the gap between the Board and some of the support is now a chasm. It reflects society. They neither understand or care for the poorest element of our support and are ready to aid State agencies at the drop of a banner in criminalizing them. Yet they are part of a professional class supported heavily by an affluent but thick Bourgeoisie who have much to be ashamed of. It’s not the Board I hate per se but the Wealthy and their lackeys.

6 years ago
Reply to  rebus67

I think Griffiths needs to get his eyes tested I’m now more convinced than ever he thinks these goalposts are in actual fact the Fenian Lamppost

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+fenian+lamppost&client=firefox-b&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCzOPzgZPVAhXHIlAKHWjvDNAQ_AUICSgB&biw=1024&bih=664#imgrc=ZEWBKfQcL0I_MM:

Shoulda gone to shexshavers Leigh (Dutch brogue)

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago

The second most powerful figure at UEFA arrested for corruption (allegedly) and they refuse to comment,so far.However,tie a scarf round a post……

cartvale88
6 years ago

The problem with Celtic Board is they appear to bv
e subserviant as the old mob years ago [excluding Robert Kelly] were years ago.
Think back to the Rapid Vienna incident when they should have walked, but played another game in Manchester, ripping of the supporters.
Immediately that bottle was lobbed onto the pitch a member of Celtic management should have made a request for the game to be stopped unil safe order was regained. As usual they sat on their hands. I have no confidence in there being a move to strip titles, all that there they give are mesly mouthed statements. Refuse to play the Huns that will cause panic as bye bye to the TV contracts, as simple as that.
But no, we put up with the crass diarrohea from the jobby mob, now slagging off Griffiths for starting the troubles.
As a supporter I have always followed the team and the supporters beliefs, but the management that another thing. They treated Jock abysmally in 1978 it broke his heart, since then on more than once they have broken supporters hearts with their lack of bottle[not Buckfast]
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The invisble man strikes again

Dziekanowski's nightclub child
6 years ago

I’d be happy for Celtic to resign from the spfl

Monti
6 years ago

Me too

mike
6 years ago

The Cha Cha Cha, he does the Cha Cha Cha,
He loves his mum and da,
He wears his mithers bra. 😉

Devoy45
6 years ago

Linfield should get no money, no gate receipts, no nothing. The Spanish official should also be investigated in right of recent events in Spain.
At least three of our yellow cards should be removed, including Griffiths. It is a disgrace to not allow a team’s support to travel for fear of violence and intimidation.This is the history of the oppression against our ancestors because they were Catholic and came from Ireland and it still goes on!

jimmybee
6 years ago

I think a lot of fans have went off track since the supreme court judgement. Lets look at the Celtic statement again.
Celtic Football Club statement

By: Newsroom Staff on 05 Jul, 2017 14:28

WE note today’s decision by the Supreme Court. Celtic’s position on this issue has been consistent – that this has always been a matter for the courts of law and also the Scottish football authorities, whose rules are intended to uphold sporting integrity.

In 2013, we expressed surprise – shared by many observers and supporters of the game – over the findings of the SPL Commission that no competitive or sporting advantage had resulted. Today’s decision only re-affirms that view.

We are sure now that the footballing authorities in Scotland will wish to review this matter. Celtic awaits the outcome of their review.

Celtic are playing the sfa at their own game.
The club are waiting on the outcome.
We cannot do anything until the outcome is known. It hasnt gone away you know.
It was brilliantly worded by the board, they will have to show their hand at some point.
When they do im sure our board will be waiting.

6 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

But hasn’t that review already happened with the SFA claiming that despite the SC judgement their non-Arbroath based senior counsel has advised that everything is ticketyboo and there’s no need to do anything?

I think the ball is firmly back in Celtic’s court and, I hope, behind the scenes they’re aggressively pushing the review agenda.

jimmybee
6 years ago
Reply to  The Cha

The cha we are waiting on the spfl i believe m8

broxburnbhoy
6 years ago
Reply to  The Cha

The ball is in the rest of Scottish football’s court

Monti
6 years ago

The continuation myth is easily managed when conversing with your average, completely thick as fuck, hun.
What really get’s on my tits is when commentators, broadcasters and so on give it the same continuation pish ” 30+ rangers have won the” blah blah fuck off blah.
This must be legally stamped out, tell the media, broadcasters and so on to immediatly stop this fucking shite.
They are fucking dead & their history concluded….

STRIP THE FUCKING TITLES!

mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

and you have big tits to get oan!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Indeed!

Frank McGaaaarvey
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Monti,

For the past 5 years I have wondered if I was living in some parallel universe where the laws of liquidation do not apply, well at least apply to one super-ethereal entity of a football club/company that cannot be destroyed by any means. That includes nuclear weapons. Come the apocalypse, only sevconians (or whatever they will be called by then) and cockroaches will be in existence. How apt.

Every time I happen to read a newspaper piece through a Celtic fan website (I ain’t gonna buy those piles of shit am I?) all journalists seem to be trying far too hard to peddle this continuation myth. “Rangers (sic) first European tie in 6 years”, “Back in the top division after 5 years”, etc.

They really do tie themselves in knots as they have repeated lie after lie and don’t know anymore where reality ends and fantasy begins. Debate this with the average zombie and bring up the subjects of Hearts and Dunfermline attaining CVA’s. Then hit them with the whammy of “Why don’t we (Celtic) spend hundreds of millions of pounds in a mindless pursuit of European glory and if it all goes tits up our only ‘punishment’ will be a place in the fourth tier”.

I will die a happy man once this continuation and same club propaganda pish is flushed away once and for all.

Monti
6 years ago

Frank,
Exactly m8!
My heed is bursting with this pish now, IT IS TIME FOR ACTION, Regan, Doncaster & all their fucjing pals need intense pressure put on them, fuck the other clubs,fuck their support, if they are happy to be cheated then fuck off & keep fucking off!
WAKE UP YA FUCKING CUNTS, THE GAME IS FUCKED, IT IS FUCKING POINTLESS!

IT’S TIME FOR A FUCKING REVOLUTION!

HH

6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

The continuity myth has been torn apart by the very people who were directly involved between both entities.
Starting with Murray he stated only several weeks ago that….

“The decision will be greeted with dismay by the ordinary CREDITORS OF THE CLUB many of which are small businesses, who will now receive a much lower distribution in the LIQUIDATION OF THE CLUB, WHICH OCCURRED DURING THE OWNERSHIP OF CRAIG WHYTE , than may otherwise have been the case.”

Then prospective buyer (PRE FAILURE OF CVA )stated:
https://youtu.be/fEkbSD56hlY

Then after acquiring the Assets stated in the Court of Session( via his QC Alan Dewar)

” The Rangers football club does not exist, it is an idea in people’s minds, a myth of continuity. No-one knows what the Rangers football club is, but it has no legal personality.”
He added that ” you can only be the chairman of an entity that has a legal personality. Sevco Scotland, and it alone, bought the assets and carried on the business. The concept of the Rangers Institution continuing exists only in the minds of die hard supporters.”

So that’s it wrapped up by the clown that fucked it and the clown that went on to sell them a pup.

Cuntinuity explained.

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

prospective buyer Charles Green’

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

CS,
You seem to have not understood my point, the MYTH is STILL being perpetuated, THAT is what i want officially addressed!

6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

You will never stop that Monti so you may as well just deride and laugh at it when you see or hear numpties try perpetuate it.

Jelly and Ice Cream bud.

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

CS,
Fuck that, it’s a new club & should be getting the coverage of a new club.
HH

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Yes l now but unfortunately they will continue to do so.
Tims don’t lap up the MSM B/S Monti Huns do and in considerable numbers.
Hence why they will continue to pander to them.

“The concept of the Rangers Institution continuing exists only in the minds of die hard supporters.”
Kerching!

jimmybee
6 years ago

This is worth a read.
So much of what we “know” about the goings on in Scottish football over the last few years comes from leaked sources, including documents.

A lot of it is second hand, even third hand, information.

A lot of it is useful; one major article I wrote, on the TV deal and how Doncaster rigged it, was written using leaked information as background source material, which I then had to stand up by linking to stuff that was in the public domain.

But as with all such information, there’s some of it which you can never use, because the source of the documents is uncertain and because the information in them is so sensitive and “close-hold” that you would put sources at risk if you did, or even expose yourself to the possibility of criminal prosecution. Even with that story, which is amongst the most controversial I’ve ever published, there were things I had to leave out.

One of them I can only describe as explosive. Having seen the evidence I can say with certainty that Doncaster was up to no good, but that information can’t be backed up by public information and will remain hidden until it can.

I tend to believe that when information that was secret is uploaded to where anyone can see it then it’s no longer secret; it becomes public whether it was intended to be or not. That’s what Wikileaks and other websites are for, after all. For a long time you could download oodles of compromising information from Scottish football’s dark year of 2012 on Scribd; I have my own extensive catalogue of stuff from that period, including the Five Way Agreement, the No Title Stripping Guarantee, the outline of Whyte’s Project Charlotte and much else.

I am not surprised to see internal SPL documents now online. I am not surprised that some of the bloggers, like Johnjames, have chosen to use them to cast light on the Nimmo Smith inquiry and other affairs. I said in a piece two years ago that nothing that happened in that time will forever remain a secret; too many people are in possession of too much information and all of it will eventually become public. It’s inevitable.

The SPL emails which have found their way onto the net are illustrative in more ways than one.

I’m going to go over them now and what they mean … and try to place it in the wider context of the LNS affair.

I believe these emails are legitimate. I believe their publication is in the best interests of Scottish football. I believe fans have a right to know, and use this information in their deliberations about the future. This is important stuff. It casts a light on this whole affair.

The Lord Nimmo Smith Inquiry Was Never About Sporting Integrity.

The most interesting thing which emerges from these emails is not actually a secret and it never was, but I think it helps to have it on the record and in the proper context nonetheless. It’s important that before we start tearing LNS apart that we recognise what the purpose of the inquiry actually was.

Please take note that no-one is suggesting that we appeal the Lord Nimmo Smith verdict; as I said on the day of the tax case verdict itself, in a lengthy article which you can read here if you haven’t seen it yet, we’re significantly beyond that at this point.

Since it was published, the LNS verdict has been spun outrageously by various people with various agendas. The governing bodies did it to “close the book” on the case. Certain clubs did it in an effort to “move things on”. The media did it because certain PR firms pushed the line that the verdict had somehow exonerated those at Ibrox andHampden. Sevco fans embraced it because it meant historical titles wouldn’t be taken off Rangers.

Here’s the crux of it though; in terms of what LNS was asked to investigate, he and his commission found Rangers guilty on all counts. Guilty, okay? Of concealing documents. Of lying to investigators. Of deliberate obstruction. The club was fined for that behaviour.

The LSN inquiry was set up to examine only the issue of whether registrations rules were broken.

That is a cast-iron fact.

Sporting integrity was never part of the remit. LNSnever said that EBT’s did not confer a “sporting advantage”, although many people still persist in the belief that he did. What he said was that a deliberate failure to properly register players didn’t.

You may or may not think that an absurd suggestion, but that’s not relevant to the point here. The sporting integrity issue was not covered at all.

LNS was deliberately limited to cover only that issue, and the SFA was on hand to provide their own interpretation of what should happen when failure to register players is discovered. That, of course, is a bomb just waiting to go off one day; the Sandy Bryson definition of what constitutes a punishable offence is palpably absurd.

The SPL email exchanges make it abundantly clear that the inquiry itself was not supposed to look into other aspects of this affair. It was set up to do one thing, a very small thing, covering a very narrow issue. And within that framework it reached a verdict.

Major matters, the ones of greatest significance, were excluded; the legality of clubs paying players via tax fraud, the “governance” of the SFA, the registrations procedures, who knew what and when … none of that was ever given a look. LNS was set up to give the appearance that a sweeping inquiry had taken place when no such thing happened.

The validity of the inquiry itself was also fatally compromised when the so-called “appellate body”, the SFA itself, gave evidence in the case and allowed its officials to steer those sitting on it to draw conclusions which defy logic and credibility.

When I say we’re significantly beyond LNS I mean it.

LNS has no bearing on where we go from here.

Some People Did Want To Appeal The LNS Verdict On “Sporting Integrity” Grounds

If you don’t think there’s an appetite for going over this issue again, you ignore the fact that this appetite always existed and never went away.

At least two members of the SPL board – Ralph Topping, who I lacerated on here last week before this information came to light and Duncan Fraser of Aberdeen – believed that the verdict and the scope of the inquiry were drastically at odds with the severity of what the club had done, and made that plain.

Topping clearly thought an appeal should be considered whereas Fraser believed it would be a waste of time, given that the key issues were never covered by LNS in the first place.

Eric Reilly of Celtic was out of the country, on holiday, when the decision about an appeal was being taken; that was clearly deliberate. He offered no view on whether there should have been an appeal, because he knew it was futile and the numbers were already against him. Celtic’s position on this is crystal clear and has been from the start. There is no question that Reilly would have voted in favour of an appeal in this matter.

Stephen Thompson of Dundee Utd voted against an appeal and suggested it was time to “draw a line under it.” For all Sevco fans lacerate this guy and his club, they took the view that sporting integrity should be subservient to an easy life.

I understand it. And I utterly condemn it.

Their supporters have more integrity in their fingertips than their board does combined.

No surprises where Kilmarnock are concerned.

Michael Johnston voted no to an appeal in under five minutes. His own fans are still disgusted with his stance on all this today.

Reilly, Fraser and, to my surprise, Topping all believed that sporting integrity should have primacy here. They were all appalled by the way the scope of the investigation was narrowed to exclude key evidence and the issue of whether EBT use itself was a violation of the spirit of the sport. You can read disbelief in Fraser and Topping’s emails that the verdict has levied on the club a slap on the wrist fine but left titles and trophies on the record.

After an email from Petrie, pointing out that the “no sporting advantage” issue wasn’t considered in relation to EBT’s, Fraser wrote this damning section;

“Rod’s point that we did not suggest a sanction and were clear in leaving it to the Commission rules out any appeal on the grounds of “the punishment fitting the crime”. In summary, I do not believe that the Commission came to the correct decision in terms of sporting advantage and we have no grounds for an appeal based on the punishment being too lenient or it appears sporting advantage given the narrow line they pursued. Therefore reluctantly I have to draw the conclusion that the process is at an end.”

With the verdict of the tax case in, the issue of sporting advantage is now primary. EBT use has found to have been a violation of the law of the land. The documents were concealed with the purpose of perpetrating a fraud. UEFA statutes on tax liabilities payable were pissed all over by a club that knew those liabilities would be due if what they were up to was discovered. This is the guts of the matter, and it’s what’s troubled many people from the start.

Topping summed it up as such:

“My question therefore to all Board Members is this: are you happy that in not appealing you are effectively saying that competitive disadvantage to all SPL clubs is immaterial and that you are happy with the scale of the fine?”

That’s the question fans have been asking from the start and it’s the one we’re still seeking an honest to God answer to.

LNS wasn’t about sporting integrity … but right from the start a lot of people thought it should have been.

Those are the people who will have a huge say in what happens next.

A Lot Of The Fans Have Spoken. Are Clubs Actually Going To Listen To Them?

Celtic fans have been making their voices heard on this issue right from the start, but they have been joined by those of Dundee Utd (whose club, as I said, were in favour of “drawing a line” and moving on), those of Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and others.

I believe the supporters at Kilmarnock are right behind us on this, and could well influence their current board.

It is clear that this is not, as Regan described it yesterday, “vested interests” pushing on behalf of just one team or one board of directors. Supporter’s organisations up and down the country are appalled at what has come to pass here, and with the Supreme Court verdict laying it all out there that Rangers were, indeed, guilty of tax evasion for a decade there’s an appetite to see that the sport is put first and that sanctions are applied for that.

We all know LNS was a sham. Clubs have been aware of it from the start.

The disbelief which Fraser expresses in his email was shared outside of the SPL board, but the clubs in the main were never given a chance to discuss the verdict far less the scope of the inquiry itself. Clubs outside of the SPL, who were effectively bullied into dealing with the issue of Sevco’s league place and who bucked the mood of the media and in Hampden itself, were never asked for their views as they weren’t members of the league, as if the league was the only body affected.

Some of those clubs have been sanctioned – some in crippling terms – for doing less than what Rangers did in a single one of the hundreds of games that took place during the EBT era. On many occasions as many as half the Rangers team which took the pitch was improperly registered, and this includes in Scottish Cup matches against the SFL teams.

They should have been involved in the process from the start. The investigation should have been set up by the SFA and the Court of Arbitration of Sport ought to have been the final appellate body. But the SFA wanted this nowhere near them, because questions would have arose about their own involvement. Nevertheless, although set up as the “court of appeal” they wanted to steer LNS in whatever direction they wanted that inquiry to go and so Bryson was allowed to give the most scandalous and corrupt interpretation of the rule book we’ve ever heard. Campbell Ogilvie was allowed to sit on the witness stand and blatantly lie.

Fans know this reeks. Clubs know that it reeks. But whereas the fans have spoken, the clubs themselves remain silent. I know of one club who has decided not to get involved because they’ve been told, by the governing bodies, that it’s pointless to sanction a dead club … believe it or not, the people pushing the Victim Lie have admitted that it’s exactly that and are using that as a deflection tactic in this case. How low can you go?

Are clubs content to be “led” like this? Up the garden path with a ring through the nose?

Or are they going to take some responsibility and restore integrity to the sport?

How Long Will We Have To Live With This Farce? It’s Not Going Away You Know.

Fans are furious. The lobbying of their clubs has only just started.

There’s no way the pin goes back in the grenade.

The entire coming season is going to be defined by this.

Clubs are going to have to answer these questions, and explain why they either want something done or don’t. Hiding behind “legal advice” isn’t going to cut it.

What fans want is an inquiry into all of this, including the SFA’s role.

The clubs can set that up with a simple vote. Let the SFA’s lawyers argue the case on their behalf, but let some learned legal gentlemen and ladies go through the whole shoddy affair. Another put-up job won’t do. The fans will want to see the precise scope of the inquiry set out in advance.

There are those who will say, who will continue to say, this is about one club.

This moved beyond the scope of an inquiry into the conduct of Rangers the second the first documents were published that showed that the man who would go on to be the SFA President had signed the original piece of paper which started the EBT ball rolling in the first place.

From there, we had the appalling spectacle of the governing bodies trying to present Sevco’s ascension to the SPL as fait accompli. They then tried to bully and bribe the smaller clubs into putting them into the Scottish Championship.

From a very early stage this has not been about one club but about the corporate governance of the game as a whole and the more we find out the more the reek of corruption grows. Rangers was merely the monster the SFA and SPL allowed to grow and cause havoc.

But the issue is, and has always been, how it was ever permitted in the first place.

That issue belongs to all of Scottish football, and the coming campaign 2017-18 will be defined as much by what happens off the field as by what takes place on it.

Change is coming.

Those who won’t play a part in it will be swept away when the rising tide rolls in.

6 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

Excellent post.
HH

jimmybee
6 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

weered I wish I could claim credit,but the words were from another blog.
Well done to the author and also I join you in tipping my hat to him..
Johnjames has a great piece today as well,I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea on here,but the guy does some great work. Fair play to him,and if all he says is true,about death threats on him,and I have no reason to doubt him,thenI salute him even more.,for his courage. Go read it’s worth it.

Monti
6 years ago

Aberdeen,Hearts, Hibs? Where the fuck are ye?
Let the huns pish all over ye that’s where ye all are.
All the clubs where is your fucking voice, never mind, fuck it!

Rob O'Keeffe
6 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Calm down Monti.You’ll wake Nessie up! E-mails have been released today that are the smoking gun we needed.As for the rest of the clubs,most are Masonic driven and only interested in the £££s.They don’t win much/anything so that’s why no cries about FFP.Look at Budge,bumming about her lovely new stand while TRFC stole their Europa qualifying position.These idiots deserve to get bumped,we don’t.KTF

6 years ago
Reply to  Rob O'Keeffe

Budge and Dempster are on the SPFL Board with Lawwell Rob I’m hoping both their silence means that something is going to happen from that direction?
If not it beggars the question as to why.

6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

begs’

The Budgie
6 years ago

the stench of corruption in Scotland is growing by the day

Celtic By Numbers
6 years ago
BondiBrian
6 years ago

Good article Ralph, got ti admire yer tenacity. On a slightly different note….

Celtic 4 – scumbags – 0.

6-0 agg.

MON THE HOOPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Ralph,
Just to confirm, i haven’t been out in the ‘ Dam ‘ ” getting stoned with the wife ” cough…..
But i do have this to ask…The inability of the board to get Stuart Armstrong to sign….what message does this send to Brendan?

BondiBrian
6 years ago

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/19/tom-rogic-poster-boy-football-australia-right-now/?

Interesting articled on Rogic, and Australian “soccer”

Cortes
6 years ago

Regularly posting photos of fans carrying banners asking UEFA and FIFA to investigate corruption within Scottish football which vastly exceeds that of Villar &c of Spain to media outlets throughout the world should be considered. Fans should be wearing tops of as many clubs as possible. Follow up with properly translated letters to the clubs in Europe (and their FAs and leading journalists) outlining the institutional corruption of the “game” in Scotland.
And demonstrate at each and every Scottish “representative” match, whether U16, Schools, Women’s etc, sending pictures to the media.
Set up a picket at the entrance to BBC Rangers of fans wearing a variety of tops.

Ok I’m finished for the night.

mike
6 years ago

Steven Caulker, Your destiny awaits, time for you to link up once again with Brendan, good luck to you, whether you come or not, we all want to see our young men progress in life.!!!

Monti
6 years ago
Reply to  mike

Do you like young men?
Sniff 🙂

Devoy45
6 years ago

All of a sudden, we are very thin at the back, with no centre back subs except McCart or Ajer (injured?) Lustig is our preferred right back but could shift to the middle. Tonight:
Gordon
Lustig/Simunovic/Sviatchenko/Tierney
Brown/Armstrong
Forrest/Rogic/Sinclair
Dembele

Subs: DeVries/Gamboa/McGregor/Hayes/Ntcham/Biton/Griff injured? Benyu
4-0 to the Bhoys.
Would like to see Ntcham, Benyu, Kouassi in action.

jimmybee
6 years ago

Devoy, like your starting line up m8 wonder if Brendan will play the new bhoys tonight. The game will be in the bag by half time.
So I would expect them to get a good 45 minutes at least.
I would play McGregor or Nitcham before Armstrong. I think the stalling of the contract might allow the boo bhoys have a go at him if a pass goes astray.
So for me
Gordon
Lustig Eric Jozo Tierney
Brown Mcgregor
Hayes Nitcham Sinclair
Dembele
Celtic 9 Them fucks Nil.

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