Those of you who read the diary on Saturday may have noticed that I was not my usual , jolly , happy go lucky sort of self, with a smile on my lips and a song in my heart as I strode purposefully from the Merchant city towards Celtic Park.
There was something niggling away at the back of my mind. The diary doesn;t usually appear when I go to the game as it usually takes a couple of hours or so, and when your train leaves Crewe at 6am, there’s not much room for manoeuvre. By the way, six goes at spelling that, and all of them got the squiggly red line of the spellchecker.
But on this occassion I diverted from the normal pre match ritual of getting into the ground and taking a seat, and tottered off to a bar-The Tolbooth-to put together a few words to mark exactly how I felt at that moment, meaning that I’d remember it the next time i came to discuss the attitude and actions of our current custodians over the questions that need to be asked over certain decision taken and rules either bent or broken a few years ago.
Otherwise, the happy go lucky fellow i am might well have just shrigged his shoulders and said to himself that its kind of what we expected anyway.
But it, to me at least, its even worse than what we could have expected.
How can I best put this for maximum effect ?
Well, there’s not really any need to jazz it up.
Last Thursday, representatives of the club finally met with representatives of the shareholders behind the Resolution 12 movement, and its can best be described as a full and frank exchange of views.
Not because the club said that they aren’t going to pursue it. In many ways that would have been so much better.
But because the impression I got was that the club were merely paying lip service to the guys, and that deep down they still hoped it would all go away.
What caused, shall we say, an escalation of the full and frank exchange of views, was when it dawned on the ;lads that Celtics representatives hadn;t even bothered to look at the smoking gun, or even asked what sort of gun it was.
The lack of preparation on their behalf to a meeting with some shareholders who have put more than four years of work into trying to expose what at best os collusion and at worst corruption in our game is shameful.
Its indicative of an attitude that seems to show that now “rangers ” are back, and tv companies are interested in the greatest derby in the world, the support, especially those who are seen by the board not to live in the real world, are little more than an irritating sideshow who should have been placated by the fact we’ve got a half decent manager in who is being allowed to spend a few quid.
Now that the club has woken from the stupor of the last four “rangers ” free years, they’ve made it perfectly clear that they are glad to have them back, and are not in the least bit interested in dealing with the issues that arose before, during and after the initial crash of the initial Ibrox club.
Not for the first time, we have seen that what concerns the support, the trifling matter of decency, honesty , fair play and transparency is a major inconvenience to those whose primary concern is to make money.
Not solely for the dinner tables of porr children, but for those who sit at another table, one upon which food and drink will never be scarce.
Sport demands a level playing field. Otherwise its not sport.
Celtic was founded on certain principles. If those principles are to be ignored, then its not Celtic.
One of those principles corresponds with integrity, which is exactly what is missing from Scottish football at the moment.
On a wider scale, and with possible legal implications, shareholders have presented a business with evidence that the business has been cheated out of substantial revenue.
At the very least they should be interested in looking at this evidence.
Its called respect, and if the club has no respect for the shareholders, then it follows they have no respect for the support.
Thats you and me, by the way.
There is still time for them to do something about this.
They could start by showing a little respect for the work the guys have put into it.
You would think given the fact we as a Club are riding high on a wave of optimism right now (on and off the Park) they would capitalise on this issue and cement the good feeling running to and from the Club?
But naw same old Celtic always chuck a fucking spanner into the works and start letting the Support down.
This won’t end well I don’t think for them or those who chuck their hard earned at it every week sometimes twice a week?
Tossers.
Fucking deplorable state of affairs! Trust completely gone, next you will be telling me the club’s representatives turned up 10 minutes late and had our Res 12 guys waiting around while they send for tea and shortbread!
Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position (not a management position) will know that acting like this is a complete breach of trust and nobody will want to follow your jumped up self important arse!
You’ve no idea how close you are with that reply. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on their punctuality but you’re right. It’s another sign of disrespect.
Oh I worked in the oil Capital of Europe in hotels. I know all of the tricks. I assume this meeting took place in Celtic Park or in another place not of the Res 12 lads choosing. One where these Corporate arseholes regularly pee in the corners of the room. Remember that piece you wrote about “welcoming” Barcelona? The lads should have done something like that to these trumped up arrogant pricks that are only in the job because they are accepted by other trumped up Corporate pricks!
Been there for a few years my friend. Still want them to win. Still speak up for them in mixed company. But can’t find it in myself to be truly a part of it. “A club like any other” just doesn’t inspire passion.
If it wasn’t for “Hertz” fans I might even want them to win this season as they complete a proper “journey”, a complete turnaround from corruption to fan participation. But then I think of hertz fans and it goes away.
Celtic are a company, fans are what makes it special. We (or you) make it the best club in the world – not the best football team, or company, but the best group to be a member of. Fuck religion, fuck politics, Celtic fans self police and look to have the best time while involving the locals, rather than invading, and create an international cammeraderie no other club/country can. A Celtic top can get you better treatment abroad than a British passport!
But that’s us. Including the cnuts. The thing we congregate around is a corporate sham. Better than “them” only because it is better run as a business (OK other reasons too). But the Celtic that is the rallying call is not the PLC. It all leaves me cold. Except when I am in warmer climes and I see the hoops on someone else, a decent human I can talk to, and then I know I am never far from home.
I rarely post on any forum, although I enjoy reading a few, especially this one, as someone quicker and wiser usually beats me to it and there’s not much point over egging the pudding. Today, you are that guy.
Ralph, thanks for the article.
I gave up my Season Ticket at the beginning of this season, even though I felt sure we were on the cusp of something special under a bright new manager, because our Board have very evidently sent a huge Fuck You to all it’s shareholders & fans. Money matters more than anything else. Sad.
Wisnae me…..perfect post!!!!
sack the board
ralph just to change the subject for a minute did you notice we have contenders for the first twin knobs ae the week and its only monday step forward stuart and david weir
something tells me it will be a certain Mr Lawwell this week charlie!
Not one word of this piece can be challenged. Is it possible for Celtic fans to hire legal representation to present the case to the Board, SFA, Uefa and Fifa, or, AGAINST our Board as the case may be? This is a legal matter way beyond our ken but not beyond our power.Can a living Paul McBride type come to our rescue? Legally,I think that Resolution 12 is watertight, for us but needs the write legal team to fight for it.
Bumped into your mates in the Springfield Tavern on Saturday seem adecent bunch of guys shame you did not go as I do enjoy your rants
https://youtu.be/lo8ZgNws504
heers a wee laugh to cheer yees up
I do sometimes think it would be nice to start afresh again. Rise like a phoenix as AFC Wimbledon has proved is possible once passionate people with a set of clear values, principle s and integrity put their mind to something. A club guided by its supporters to live as the Celtic family we are and actually implement the aims of brother walfrid to its maximum potential and look after the downtrodden and needy. The current club is as far from its original vision because of its focus and attitude. Yes it would be nice to have a team play CL but much better to have one we admire and connect with. First of all I am a football fan happy to watch the pub team giving it all on a park pitch on a Sunday secondly being part of something that makes a difference to society and is all inclusive is a massive bonus. I think once we belong to something like that we rise above everything else and other peoples self serving actions become less important. We all have our own dreams don’t we.
That’s attainable in Supporter owned and run Celtic.
A Club who’s main objective is to help those in need rather than a Corporate venture who pays lip service to it’s humble beginnings.
We really could have it all ways without the PLC pish.
Should we be really shocked by this as a shareholder I’m disgusted by there silence. Lawwell only cares about the blue pound, an certainly not the fans he makes me squirm when I hear or see his tory face
What to do about it though…is there a concerted will amongst the support to at least boycott one game to show them we are serious? No use in wee pockets although I think if the Green Brigade kicked it off many more would join them. Tomorrow night is probably too soon but maybe making a point to the board at the 12th minute would get some publicity and open some eyes. We should be out of site as a real club for the fans and those we help instead of allowing the greedy, grasping fuckwits to make a profit off our backs. We kind of thought this might happen so let’s do something now to change it for good.
In reply to wisnae me do you know how right you are I went to Turin to see Celtic and lost my passport and had to go to Milan for a temporary one the British consulate told me that when Celtic play abroad they are the only British team were they don’t have to attend all other clubs must have a British Consulate in attendance how much respect does that show the Celtic fans HH
In reply to wisnae me
Ralph ,
it’s not just about Res 12.
It’s about the EBT cheating ( by the way , don’t be too sure of a favourable outcome in March ):
It’s about the LNS whitewash :
It’s about the revelations of collusion with BOS to try to drive Celtic out of existence :(1994)
BUT
just as importantly , it’s about the cheating and collusion going on RIGHT NOW re- Scottish football and Ibrox , as is weekly highlighted by the likes of PhilMac and JJ.
It’s all very well to high -five about our dominant position right now ; but what about 3 – 5 – 10 – 20 yrs from now?
What about our kids and grandkids times ?
I read somewhere (CQN I believe) about a generation of dominance.
With the cheating and collusion of the past AND the present , I find that viewpoint to be very naive.
Allowing all that’s gone in the past , and what’s going on right now to go unchallenged , simply guarantees a repeat in the future .
Spot on.
On the money JPM!
jpm 88,
Yep, bang on the nail. Go over all the cheating Lawwell allowed, EBT’s,”Honest Mistakes” corrupt SFA Officials, think on Ogilvie with enough EBT money for a good night out, All the carry on during Neil Lennon’s time by Peat and the like, rules bent and broken to ensure any kind of “Rangers” survival or continuity… Same club rubbish, The list is endless but it all boils down to ONE thing… Scottish Football is corrupt and Lawwell and the Celtic Board are part and parcel of the corruption, that is why the SFA and SPFL leadership not only thrive in their corruption, they got a pay rise for achieving it.
All the patter about how far ahead Celtic are just tries to deflect from this. Cheating is cheating.
Lawwell is corrupt and should be bagged, that will not happen… His bonus is secure, as is his job.
He will be the downfall of Celtic.
This article is kind of heavy on opinion and light on facts and I know maybe you can’t fill in all the details, if you don’t mind me offering a slightly different view. People being late and not having done three homework is a pain in the arse and yeah it gets your back up, but it happens a lot, I read little into that on its own, except some peoples manners are pretty lousy. What I’m really interested in is what do the lads want the club to do, they’ve done a massive amount of work already, is the idea to hand it to the club and the club take over? because I think a football club isn’t the best equipped to do that, a much missed Paul McBride is exactly who is needed now.
Adam,
I agree. Paul McBride is sadly missed here. I would think that if someone of his ilk cared about this, they would have come forward by now.
Rebus
So thank you Ralph for confirming that representatives of the Celtic support pursuing an issue we all feel is very important to sporting integrity have been in a meeting with unnamed representatives of the Club and they have felt that the representatives have disrespected them and failed to properly prepare for the meeting. Also the representatives showed no interest in doing anything about the issue of sporting integrity s presented by the folks pursuing Resolution 12. If this is correct, then it is very disappointing and a reminder that we all have to work hard at influencing those who are on our Board today. The way to do that is to buy shares and vote at the AGM, to make sure our voices are heard at the home games/away games and to continue to campaign for sporting integrity. If they think that the current version of Rangers is the answer, I think they are asking the wrong question. There is no doubt that the “old Firm” is sellable in their minds. I think the CL is more sellable and it brings in more cash. This year kind of proves that as well as glamourous pre season completions that bring in more cash. If they can conclude that sevco offers no route to riches for us, they can feel safer about dumping sevco. AGMs need to reflect this.
Great article, and your feelings are mirrored by tens of thousands of fellow Tims. At a time when we should all be on a this rollacoaster of optamism and the start of what could be something very special for Celtic, we instead find ourselves once again questioning the morality and integrity of the custodians of our club. RES12 was handing the Celtic board the perfect opportunity to call out and expose everything that’s corrupt within our own governing body and they bottled it.My own personal opinion on why the Celtic board have been so reluctant and dam right negligent in handling RES12 is because their complicit in it, did they know rangers were on the verge of collapse and we’re willing to let them have that European place to try save them, I think..YES.did Lawell have input into the secret 5 way agreement, was he willing to turn a blind eye to all the rule changing to allow sevco to be fastracked right back into the football league..YES… RES12 is the smoking gun for sure, but Peter Lawells fingerprints have unfortunately been found on it..Hope I’m wrong. HH
KEIGHLEY BHOY
I’ve had the very same suspicions for a long time ; no proof – just a rotten feeling .
Again , like yourself , would be delighted to be proved wrong.
Our current position of strength is irrelevant compared to the importance of guaranteeing a level , truthful and transparent playing ground for future generations ; so they may not suffer the heartbreak of defeat through cheating , as we HAVE !
hopefully after the supreme court judgement the whole lot will come oot jeest in time for st paddies day
Sadly, I have stated from day 1 that the board would not go through with the Res 12 smoking gun. They had many chances to fire, but never. They will not be forgotten.
Shame on all of them.
The Res 12 guys, are a great credit to Celtic football club.
They stood up for integrity, decency,and protecting the ethos of the game in this country. The Celtic football club ceases to be and is just another Plc. No heart,No different from the rest.
Fergus, would have been all over it. Sadly Peter made his bed so he has to lie in it.
A piece of he has now missing from what I had as a Celtic supporter, it won’t come back.
So get it right up you Celtic Plc you have lost our heart and soul,which made us more than a club,but a cause.
In a reply to Monti a wee while back I said I’d give the Board the chance to meet our guys before judging them.
Well they had their chance and the outcome is the one I feared.
I was at the game on Saturday but that will be the last.
Like yourself I have a long journey to endure and I’m not willing to put myself and family through that for a Board that can’t even be bothered reading the information the Res12 guys supplied.
I don’t know if it would make any odds but maybe they need to go direct to Dermot Desmond and see if he has any interest in taking it forward.
Ralph,
I will take the advice of LogicAL and simply add my support to all that has been said. For me, the greatest sin is creating a crisis of conscience for supporters, whether it is nobler in the mind to continue to support the Celtic team and the charitable works of our club or to walk away from the seemingly blatant disrespect for fans and the acceptance of cheating in football by our board. I think for many this has been a dilemma for a long time and that in itself is indecent and unacceptable. The longer all of this goes on – and, as someone says, it is not just the past. It is as much the current goings on in the “other place” – the more inclined I am to just CHUCK football, one of the few pastimes I have been able to enjoy during a fairly long lifetime. I am sick of reading reports such as yours today.
H H
Monti,
I did not get the chance to wish you a happy birthday the other day. They say life gets calmer as you reach your second childhood. So, you are on the verge of something great and we are on the brink of peace and tranquillity 🙂
Many happy returns and a lot more of them.
H H
Pensionerbhoy,
Thank you very much for your kind words, your opinion is always noted and heard by myself………even over the noise of rustling ‘ Werthers ‘ sweetie wrappers.
HH pal.
Strong and noble words from all but like I said, what we gonna do about it ? It’s our club.
Don’t go simple once the campaign starts they will be forced into action or have to resign
Ralphy, We share your pain,share the anger and disgust,the brave Res.12 bhoys must feel even worse.After YEARS of hard work,diligence and expense,for what?
For an uncaring,unfeeling Board to stab them and us in the back,to twist the dagger in up to the hilt.
Why? what reason could they possibly have to not pursue this FRAUD,i simply do not understand,there reasoning.
The silence from them and the other fitba. clubs,who also were recipients of this fraud,you could hear a pin drop,there silence is SO loud.
We will never forgive or forget,the perpartraters of this fraud,the MANKIES,aided and abetted by there subservient lap dog loyal SMSM and especially by this damaged and tainted by corruption,the SFA.Mankies one and all.
How hard it is to type that our Board,joins that list of shit.Disgusting.
Mike, I think the issue is about money and income and the fact that whatever version of old Rangers are around, they carry a larger than normal support and therefore generate more money at the gate and in TV revenue. I think the other clubs have been sold this myth and it is a myth and they are all scared to live without the sevco shadow as they think it will adversely affect their income. Its that simple. I feel that it has already been proven that all clubs can live without sevco and with CL and pre season glamour tournaments we can generate more than we could with old Rangers. Our Board at this stage seems to believe the “old firm” myth. That is a pity indeed as well as being completely misguided. Allowing one club special privileges is a recipe for disaster and I am very dispirited that our Board would allow this.
Sadly Broxburn,i agree with you,looking at the stadiums,
Killie V Hamilton,the stands are empty,no supporters willing to go to games,especially a Tuesday night,Friday night,Saturday lunchtime.
The supporters being treated like shit,there only to provide atmosphere for the T.V.
Scottish Fitba. is dying,nae money,licking the Corporate arse for any crumbs.
Wake up ya Mankies at the SFA,wake up everybody connected to Fitba.The game is dying,mibbee its to late,with King and his ilk at the mankies,where is the future,oh look everyone,it isny HERE.!!!!
broxburnbhoy,
it’s my belief that in 2012 Celtic panicked ; couldn’t see a future without their rivals.
“Needed” them back ASAP.
I also believe that had they held their nerve ,blocked the rigged “rebirth” , simply by saying ” do not resuscitate ” that within 5 or so years we would have found our way out of Scottish football.
Living in England , and I think Ralph would agree with me on this ,there’s no chance of Celtic AND Rangers being permitted to English football ; the police would block it .
However , one on it’s own , maybe a different matter .
This could even have been one of Murray’s reasons for trying ( with BOS compliance) to force Celtic out of existance in 1994.
I believe there was a moment in 2012 when Celtic had the power to make that call ; and that they chose the “re-birth”.
11 March next year is a we game we could boycott. Not the 12th, but close enough.
Mike well said m8.
Celtic for me was an easy choice to support.
What was not to like. A club formed to help the poor.A board ready to fight if they tried to do away with our heritage,and in later times wee Fergus taking the on over Cadette.
Now a board who supply police Scotland with names and addresses,who put up with the GB simply because those same guys whom they would like to see behind bars make them cash and gain them friends in high places like Dubai etc.
They are a bunch of hypocrites. Imposters’ and have no place at Celtic if they cannot see that the game is fucked if res12 is swept under the carpet.
The board at Celtic have traeted the supporters with contempt for generations. The support is also very divided. Many don’t give a toss as we are winning at the moment but make o mistake thy will be back, version 3 4 5 whatever but they will fold and will simply reinvent themselves having ditched the debt again and will be allowed to do so. I don’t think Celtic have ignored this. I think the Celtic board are central to it. i think they have been in it from the beginning and have agreed to effectively welcome them back with their silence. there was a crazy suggestion on a newspaper website that Newco were to get extra funding in the new year from a source that will remain secret but the source is actually Dermot Desmond. His front men are going to save them. At first glance i thought nonsense but I actually believe that if they approached Celtic, Celtic would bail them out and save them. The supporters are not united enough to boycott even one game. It was much easier in 1994 as there was less then 20 thousand showing up for games. And those 20 thousand were diehard, who realised that Boycotting and singing sack the board was all we had left. Many of these guys have stopped going now due to the corporate whore that the club has become. Many others are ‘new’ supporters. They will come along when the going is good but a bad season or two and they will return to squash or shopping on a Saturday afternoon. Others suggest that we can’t have it both ways. Become a corporate club with no soul to get into the CL or a fans club with much less investment and success. As time goes on Celtic becomes less and less the club it was. Hence the ‘a club like no other’ protestations, at a time when we seem to becoming exactly like so many other money orientated soulless clubs.
john
Imagine , even the thought of our Club helping out the very people who desperately tried to FORCE Celtic out of existence , and would do so again given half the chance ; it beggars belief!
jpm 88…that’s what sticks in my craw most…I’ve never believed in turning the other cheek as all you get is spun round and slapped again. The press gloried in putting our cracked crest on show and if we are ever in a vulnerable financial position again you can be sure the rules will not be bent or ignored for us, on the contrary they will gloat as they do everything to push us under.
The Celtic board is a f-cking disgrace and I hope that DD gets fully informed about what they have failed to do.
Funkyy
I fear that DD is all too aware of what has/hasn’t , is/isn’t being done .
Funny thing , you see the comment “john” makes above re- DD and some connect with sevco ; well that’s the second time I’ve seen that alluded to .
Someone on JJ site , who claimed ( don’t know if true or not) to have been the one to first flag up the Ibrox roof issue to JJ , dropped that self same hint , finishing with ” as with the roof , you heard it here first”.
Could be some sort of hoax ; interesting to know if any other e-tims can shed any light on it .
That’s absolutely the tragedy of it all. The confirmation that some among us cannot live on our own terms but as one cheek of the same arse. I can’t risk any association with them never mind depending on them. Even writing that last sentence gives me the boke. Seville might have been a high point for many but I still look at the last time we lost in the Bernabeu as the point we have yet to get back too. Such a long time has passed. This Board had the opportunity to stake them and the pariah that is the SFA as that corpse lay dead in the morgue but they baulked as they are the very same kind of vermin.
Ralph,
Our board being compliant with the ibrox fakers and the SFA for cash; I wish I was surprised. A ‘Celts for Change’-like unifying force for constructive change has to be implemented to hit our present board where it hurts. Can our support turn its back on the Glasgow derby? That is the big question for me. As that is where the biggest impacting message can be made.
HH
Some very moving and emotive responses on the blog today on this issue. I am torn on what my views are on this. I have no doubt that there is a case to be answered on the licence. However, some time has now passed on this issue and the corporate entity involved is no longer with us. That makes the pursuit of retribution even more messy.
I do not know what the Board has been doing behind the scenes to hold the SFA feet to the fire. Nor do most/all on here. Could it be that the Board feels that the potential negative fallouts to the club outweigh the benefits of formal action on this issue? It is their responsibility to make these kind of judgement calls.
I simply do not know.
If the club progressed this to an outside body, would it be subject to automatic sanction by the SFA? Again, I do not know.
I need to learn more about the boundaries before acting on this.
I shall research this as much as I can, and then make a decision on my immediate future with the club. I have found that emotional reactions to important issues are often regretted later. Remember we are hearing only one side of the issue.
What is clear to me is that the famous four deserve respect and that the Board has not played straight with them. If the Board had no intention of progressing this issue for whatever reasons, they should have made that clear to the shareholders. That deserves condemnation in itself, even if their(the Board) stance is the correct one for the club.
Rebus
Campaign should start now. Don’t go. Stay away its the only thing that works.
We put up with the pish under The Kelly’s and Whites. The way big Jock was treated was heartbreaking, especially as he was not a well man after his car accident. The way they shipped Kenny to Liverpool, for a period of time in the late seventies I stopped going.
When ‘the rebels have won ‘ I believed we had a great future, especially with the bun et in charge. Over the Last twenty years it has been a great ride.
But recently Lawell, Crozier have lost the plot, he had the arrogance to criticise the fans.
The Supporters Clubs should join together and voice their concerns regarding Res 12 and EBTs. Also the farce that is the TV schedule which disenfranchises fans out with the Central Belt.
The greed and arrogance of our Board is shocking, they do not understand Celtic Football Club
Even the way Commons was shunted out the door, not allowing the fans to how their appreciation.
Celtic FC: “The PLC`s cozy cozen.”
These money men are a worldwide epidemic,
1% within lay waste to the 99%.
Where do I send my Fund`s of Celtic FC Goodwill to?
Je suis Celtic
They have NO ‘shame’. HH
Welcome to Franchise Football Ghirls and Bhoys.
When the SFA/SPL were trying to shoe horn Sevco into the 1st Division I said then that Celtic were complicit in it all with their continued silence. Trying to keep supporters onside by cracking jokes at the AGM won’t fool all of the people all of the time.
Our board are charlatans; nothing more nothing less.
Agree with John.Its many,many,generations that have been let down by a board at Celtic,not just this boodle crazed mob.If you know your history,Celtic sold out when they realised they could do good business by becoming part of the horrific O.. F… scenario built on sectarianism which always resulted in the little man ending up hurt while the “business men” laughed all the way to the bank.What has changed? They gie me ra boak!! Boycott seems inevitable.Cmon the Real Rebels!! HH
Need to clear ma heid.
Fitba.
Tomorrow night.
Gordon
Lustig/Simunovic/Sviatchenko/Izzy
Brown/Bitton
Roberts/Armstrong/Sinclair
Griffiths
outfield subs: McGregor/Gamboa/Toure/McKay-Steven/Dembele/Christie
We need a good blow-out and some goals.
4-0 to the bhoys.
Question: are there any teams that can provide a model for how Celtic should be owned and run? Barca? What major teams are owned by their fans?
I depend on Charlie Saiz for some examples.
We have to somehow support Brendan and the bhoys whilst keeping the real issues to the fore. A tightrope act.
There are many small Clubs World wide with fan ownership however there are of course some larger better known like Dortmund Barca Boca Portsmouth etc heres a wee link..
http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014/02/14/storied-clubs-supporter-roots-worlds-top-5-fan-owned-soccer-teams
I think the German Model is probably the best with that you see the fans control 51% and this allows alrger investors (like Dermot)to have an input but never a controlling share.
I wonder if Dermot would be open to an approach for the wider fanbase to go for this set up?
ie he retains an honorary position (as well as a Financial one) but is also there as a fail safe should some unforeseen Financial hit cause the Club great concern?
I also think others may want too take up the other 20 odd % perhaps some wealthy Supporters with a will to make it the Club we all want?
Worth looking into I think.
We supposedly have around 9 million fans Worldwide?
£20 each and we could buy the lot(Approx £70m) and have £20m for transfers for the next 5 years.
That’s 5 years to steady the ship and getting entire setup geared towards dedicated Charitable work and a workable Sustainable approach.
I mean we could all just put in £20 every year for Transfers leaving any profit being made to pay for maintenance and Charity etc?
Make it a not for profit venture and watch the numbers swell worldwide as fans sick to death with the Corporate shite look at Celtic as a beacon of hope that football cna be a force for good in the Communities and beyond and not just paying lip service to it?
A Club like no other if you like 😉
I have long since thought we need a big banner outside the Emirates Arena, opposite the Celtic Way highlighting Celtic’s lack of action. Should drop the ‘Res 12’ tag as it confuses / misleads those outwith these forums.
Perhaps also boycotting start of games until 12th minute to raise awareness and demonstrate to board the level of feeling. That’s my tuppence worth……
Unfortunatly im old enough to remember a few boards living of the best support in the world. Will it always be?
I want a club, a Celtic for all, but i don’t think it’s ever going to happen.
Ralph people like you can make it happen, please, please don’t giveup.
YOU GIVE ME HOPE.
Boycott ALL games against them.
Serious question who on here reading this would be more inclined to go for a fan controlled share of Celtic?
Stick yer name in the replies if this would appeal to you more than the current Corporate Celtic.
Charlie Saiz I like your thinking, and would support such a venture. I think we are now at a point that change has to come.
I would like to see a full response from the Res 12 guys,on their feelings and what they believe should happen next. For the time being I would pay £20 with fellow fans to bring our own court action. Why don’t we email jptaylor with our season book numbers and tell him to pass this on.
If you fail the Res 12 guys,you gave betrayed us all.
We will not renew next season, and we will boycott at some point this season.
HH
If any fans could do it, I believe it would be ours. £100,000,000 buy the club, ‘return it’ to charity status, put ‘sports science’ at the center of the curriculum for kids who’d like a career in sport, Give EVERY kid who ‘needed’ a meal before they went home from school. Glasgow to begin with, then Scotland, then the world. That would truly be “a club like no other”. HH
And it would all need to START by getting rid of this board. I would be prepared to put in £18.88 evry month/week what ever it took, to take this board to a Judicial review in how the it has grossly mismanaged the club in allowing it to be cheated out their ‘just deserts’. HH
Charlie Saiz,
While I do agree that a fan owned club would be great there is just one problem. It would not remove the fact that we would have to deal with Jumped up Corporate arse holes and much to my dismay it seems that we would likely be ill equipped to deal with them. In these meetings you have every hand gesture needs to be calculated every nod of the head needs to be done in a certain way. You need to understand your surroundings, need to make allies and then need to go in having them out numbered and take control through gorilla beating chest tactics. Just raising the 100M pounds for the hostile take over would not be enough. We would still have to have these Corporate cnuts because their types rule everything else. I will contribute, but you will need some really clued up individuals who are not corporate fat cats, but fully understand the “games” that have to be played in the Corporate World and are not just doing it Naturally. I bet you money that Dermot knows how to play the games, but really prefers not to. That is why he has these arse holes in there. Fuck the board Dermot is the man who you need the attention of.
On the 12th minute supporters all should stand up and boo our board. I always suspected Lawwell and co were playing us along. Shame on them!
I know it’s a long shot, but by any chance could we get Tom Boyd and Paul Cuddihy to discuss RES12 on Celtic TV?
Wouldn`t a walkout at 67 minutes be more effective in conveying
our message to all?
This is a disgrace from our Board.
They are not our board they are the enemy, they are like the East India Company. Only in there because they can get done what needs done. If however they started failing in some respect Dermot would have to swoop in and slap these Corporate pricks about.
Sorry if I’ve got this wrong. But to me this isn’t about sevco getting a licence to play in the spfl no matter how complicit or not Celtic were involved, in 2012.
It’s about season 2011/2012, and the permission of the sfa to grant a licence to allow a club to participate in Europe who had no right to take part.
Stop with the us and them being in cahoots about 2012,this has he haw to do with that. I’m I wrong in that
It is about the governing body being corrupt, or at the very least incompetent in their role of governing football in this country.
If our board have failed to realise the true motive of the Res 12 guys,then they are so out of touch, that they should remove themselves or be forcibly removed by us.
What is it football supporters, chairmen,the media are not getting,or turning a blind eye too. Or what is it we are missing?
We want a clean game,if they don’t,then go find another club to heat your driveway with.
This isn’t going to go away,it can’t. Like the cadette transfer saga, we must get to the truth,no matter how long it takes.
We must get the truth.
An ETims pub to watch Celtic home games in Glasgow would be a good investment.
jimmybee
you’re right in that res 12 is purely about the issue of a licence to play in Europe for season 2011/12 , it’s about SFA governance .
The Res 12 guys have always been very clear on that.
However , the other issues you mention , and which have been covered by the posts above , are equally if not more important .
They are all legitimate grievances which should not be allowed to be covered over .
The apparent inactivity on Res 12 has brought to the fore a feeling that it (Res 12) is to join all these other issues on the scrapheap.
The Res 12 guys took on this ONE of many issues .
Some of us feel that , in reality , all these issues need addressing ; and that if Res 12 , with all the work that has gone into it , is being hung out to dry then what chance is there of the others being confronted.
There’s been a whole LOT of cheating going on ;indeed it’s still going on right now .
The anger I , and I think a lot of others feel is that we just want to support our team in victory or defeat .
Not . however defeat through foul means.
I , for one had enough of that from 87 through to 2012.
Back then we were ignorant of what was going on .
We now know better , and have a right to demand “NO MORE”.
The fact we have a board at Celtic football club, who are so distanced from the support is completely and utterly frustrating and disheartening.
As i have said a thousand times on here, ( no not Deila out) these gutless, faceless charlatans are FAILING this great club and support by not attacking the issues of CHEATING and COMPLICTY wothin the Scottish game.
This board must be happy to be part of a dishonest and shadowy game, i feel dejected and basically emotionally shat on from a great height.
The TOP priority of this board is that we all plough as much of our money into the club as is humanly possible.
Season tickets, club merchandise from the superstore, the food halls, subscribe to Celtic T.V. and the club newspaper, drink the Kerrydale dry oh and don’t forget your paradise windfall ticket and matchday programme.
Spend spend spend!
As for our simple unrequited love of our team and club?
Well the board don’t give a fuck about that little fact, just spend spend spend and shut the fuck up, sit down and face the front.
At a time when we have a genuine top class manager and a quality team taking shape on the park, we should all be delighted with the direction we are going in….but inside i feel sick to the pit of my stomach because i know now that WE do not matter, we are not at the forefront of the boards considerations and that for me is utterly sickening!
The realisation we are being represented by people who WON’T fight for the club on our behalf is so, so deflating.
Where do we go next, the one thing i do know is no matter how low i feel inside about all of this, the Celtic flame inside burns hotter than ever.
The board have underestimated the will and desire and spirit of the Celtic family, we must fight on and let them know we will never give up to see justice done, because the fight is fucking worth winning.
HH
P.S. whatever action is taken by the support next, must NOT be to the detriment of our team on the park.
Our players have given everything and more so far this season and i fucking always appreciate that.
Seeing those players in Hoops emerging from the tunnel is what it’s all about Bhoys.
Celtic first and Celtic last and Celtic overall.
HH
Ralph,
Take courage and strength from the Liverpool lads at ‘ Justice for the’96 ‘ that’s what can be achieved when you DON’T give in or give up!!
We ALL must keep going and have the strength to not let it go!
This is Celtic we are talking about, something special in our lives, the fight for Celtic will ALWAYS be worth it!
HH
PEOPLE OF BERLIN:
SHOCKING scenes and Heartbreaking to see, thoughts and prayers with you all!
Fuck sake min,when does this shite end?
It will probably end when all of the land is secure enough to build the 2 proposed pipelines. 1 from Qatar through Syria and Turkey to Europe and 1 from Iran to the Mediterranean.
Charlie Saiz, many thanks for all that.I’m really ignorant about this ownership stuff but can follow up your examples and links.Cheers, man.
Monti, spot on, we must not damage our team on the park. They are blameless in all this.For decades Celtic fans are good at fighting on all fronts.
Monti, you are right too. I grew up with the fear of nuclear obliteration during the Cold War. This is different.When will it end? Wish I had an answer.
Devoy,
It’s just so disappointing yet not surprising from the board, i think it was Adam who spoke of the late Paul McBride and how much he is missed.
He is sorely!
Peter Lawell is always telling us about the clubs ” strength, global support/brand and current financial position”, the positive and picture painting of our club, “the greatest fans in the world, the famous Champions league nights atmosphere” aye ok Peter.
This is a man who gives Celtic supporters personal details to Police Scotland?
Fuck him!
THIS BOARD NEEDS REMOVED ASAP!
The boardroom needs filled with Rebels, men who will fight for and protect our club.
” The Tricolour stays “
Monti,
I agree, but we have to be careful. Please scroll up to my other responses for further details.
No probs bud.
Don’t know if anyone else seen the press statement by the Syrian envoy at the UN yesterday?
He stood up anbd named a KNOWN OPERATIVES from the US ISRAEL SAUDI JORDAN and TURKEY who are known to be operating in East Aleppo ALONGSIDE the “Rebels” ie ISIS and ALQUAEDA.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-least-10-nato-military-officers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-this-morning-in-east-aleppo-bunker/
Telling you there is a massive story unfolding here that will shock the West.
Charlie saiz,
Are you talking about collusion?
Like the British Army passing the details of Catholics to Loyalist killers?