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Celtic Diary Thursday October 20: The Morning After

Before I start, due to a heavy cold which leapt out at me yesterday when I wasn’t looking, I saw very little of the game.

So its through reading what other say and watching highlights-highlights, aye okay, – that any conclusions are drawn from.

First of all, we need to lose this idea that teams are afraid of coming to Celtic Park.

They love it. Thats why most of the top teams we have faced in recent years have had no real problems in getting a result. And if you can stay in front just past the hour mark, the fans will obligingly disappear so that you can make your way out of the stadium to the airport with minimal fuss as well.

Last night was just one of those nights. Too many players  didn’t perform, and no-one stepped up to try to make them. The golden trio of Dembele , Sinclair and Toure combined to offer little , though Toure did help out at the back, it was his mistakes that lead to the goals, just showing that the concentration needed at this level may not be there any more.

Sinclair and Dembele waited for something to happen, and when it didn’t, waited some more.

The Germans knew where the threat would come from, and made sure it didn’t. There was no plan B, and as in Barcelona, no real attempt to find one.

There are two Celtics competing in this seasons champions League, the one who took the fight to Manchester City, and the one which lay down and died against The Germans and the Catalans.

Taking the fight to city led to a defelected goal, an offside goal and a skewed overhead kick, but they all count.

As with last night, it was our own mistakes that let us down…but we’ll learn, of that I’m sure.

The support mut surely now realise where we are at, and what is needed to move up to be able to compete at this level. Any optimism from Leicester looking like they may win their group to give us an easier tie in the last 16 must now have surely evaporated, ( yes, that was me ) and there’s a real dogfight now just to get into the Europa.

We may yet thank our lucky stars in facing a rampant Barcelona at home in the last game…

The next match, away to Borussia in Germany is the first of their remaining two home games, two games that if they win , and there’s no reason why they shouldn’t, as they appear to have progressed from their opening day lesson from Manchester City, and are certainly a much better side than we may have thought based on that game.

With the pressure of, maybe we can do a little experimenting ourselves in the next two games, which will determine whether or not Barcelona will matter.

Three at the back ? Toure, Simunovic, Sviatchenko ?

Two in front, Brown and one from Henderson, Armstrong or biton, if we have to.

One creative, in the hole, forrest ? Rogic, MacGregor-a great link man on his day..

Teirney, Sinclair, Forrest, Roberts Lustig to fight over remaining places to support Dembele and Griffiths.

Dembele looks a little too laid back for my liking, and Griffiths always improves when his place is under threat.

Maybe try it out on whatever they are called on Sunday..

 

As for everything else, we can only hope that players and management alike have learned from this.

Elsewhere, while we we all deflected by the euphoria of champions League involvement, news broke, and I’m not too sure what the actual story is here, its a bit vague, that the cops up north are a bit dodgy…

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which will come as a surprise to all of you…

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Anyhoo, a UK high court said;

 

 

Fancy that, but I can;t find the full story, from an indepoendent point of view…

Yesterdays picture,

surfers – 1962

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Caption: Global warming 2026 – Govan Emerald CSC await the arrival of the Govan Ferry

 

Running behind again this morning, so i’ll leave the job of cheering us up to you, with this picture. taken after a plane hit the Empire State building in 1945, presumably whilst chasing a big monkey with a lassie tucked under its arm.

NYC, 1945. Damage to the Empire State Building from a Plane Collision

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john young
7 years ago

You are surely looking for something that isn,t there,Biton/Armstrong oh yeah can you explain please.Last night we were beaten by a good team a team that were ATHLETIC a team that could move that could pass/move a team that had the physical propensity to move themselves at PACE all over the field,they played in triangles and squares with first touch passing,they didn,t need 5mins on the ball to find a man,even with that length of time on the ball we couldn,t find a man.What do you expect from Dembele? who when heeventually did get onto the ball it was after a laborious build up and he was surrounded by 5/6 of their men,you cannot go from playing Motherwell on Sat to playing quality teams the change is just too much,I am sure BR has taken the game apart and surely will realise that we need at least 4/5 good strong athletic/fast players.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  john young

John Young,
Well said!

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  john young

As did Ronny the Manager before him.
Let’s hope he get’s the backing needed to do so?

bgbhoy
7 years ago

you reall are obsessed

no disgrace in losing to that team last night, there is disgrace in being played off the park by a norwegian side who finished 8th in there leage

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Awe diddums.

andybhoy
7 years ago

You really want to get a grip you twat.

Monti
7 years ago

IN BRENDAN WE TRUST!

SteveNaive
7 years ago

How are they like that and we aren’t? We got a lesson in quick, incisive football. Learn and do the same and if they can’t get players in who can

iancelt67
7 years ago
Reply to  SteveNaive

steve they play in the bundesliga were you have to play at that tempo to survive

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  SteveNaive

We are like that against sides in the SPL.
The main problem we face is the step up from week to week in Europe because let’s face it there aren’t that many decent footballing sides in the Scottish game who can live with an in form Celtic.
They come from a highly competitive League where even the mid table sides can produce decent technical levels of Football.
Unless we are prepared to spend then expect more of the same in the future Steve.
You get what you pay for in Football.
Very few of the current squad would feature much in the better Celtic sides in the past IMO.

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  SteveNaive

Anyone know how much their squad cost? But aye, we were very pedestrian.

HAIL HAIL NN aw that !

7 years ago

Spot on this Fortress Parkhead stuff has to be a joke. When was the last time Celtic won in a group game in either the CL or the EL. And as for the atmosphere? It is very good at times but it is not always like it is at the City game. Teams love coming to Celtic Park because it usually means 3 points. Or at least a draw. There is only so much dining out a club can do over a win against Barcelona and a draw against Man City. It makes us look like a small club. Great nights, great results but in the great scheme of things meaningless. We are the first to laugh if Red Imps are brought up and say well we went through, that result was a freak and essentially meaningless. The more we mention this, the more we look ‘small time’.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  john

Pish!

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  john

IN BRENDAN WE TRUST!

Cartvale88
7 years ago

Last night was a rerun of Celtic of old. A lack of one touch football, trying to run with ball, Brown was caught so many times it was beyond a joke. The Germans played one touch fast football, with quick breakaways.
However their two goals were to a certain extent lucky, both Toure howlers.
We lack a quality strong midfield player that can bully other teams, the Israeli Nigerian would be worth a look. Also in a game that required speed upfront Griffiths could have been a better option.
Really the majority of this team and subs are still Delilahs and requires further tweaking.
Still enjoyed the atmosphere in the first half, but the second was shades of Maribor.
Any ways onwards and upwards to deal with the living dead!

Monti
7 years ago

Borussia Möenchengladbach were very impressive i felt, accurate passing and movement at pace, i ackowledge football played this way.
The manager and players getting questioned is a bit unfair in my opinion, since Brendan has been at the club he has pretty much done all that has been asked of him by the support and the board, Champions league qualification is a big thing for the club.
We are a club rebuilding, we need some better players, investment and the manager given the trust of the board and the support.
Champions league money is crucial in strengthening the first team, without it that process becomes slower.
We are in a group with Barcelona, Manchester City and Möenchengladbach, a side that finished 4th in the German league.
We are at the moment unfortunately the weakest side in the group, that is fair enough.
We didn’t play well last night but that shouldn’t signal depression in the support.
Let the manager shape his team and his squad with our total support, he is doing fine and has only been here a few months.
It takes years to build a team, but i believe we are going the right way, with the right man at the helm.

IN BRENDAN WE TRUST!
HH

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

“It takes years to build a team”
Yes I was saying this 2 year ago when Deila was appointed Monti.
3-5 years to build a side that can consistently COMPETE at the top level in Europe.
If the Board continue to invest in the level of player Brendan has acquired that may take slightly less time IMO.
After all Deila had already put into motion the way Brendan wants us to play so therefore there is less tinkering needed than when Deila took over from Lenny.
The approach has altered the departure of Park has proven this.
The buy to sell strategy hopefully in the past and Brendan can build a side.

bgbhoy
7 years ago

3-5 years to build a team and 2 years to destry a clubs support as per deila

funny how brendan has us playing high pressing attacking football which is a joy to watch and ronny’s team on the whole would bore us too tears

champions league and well ahead in league, all in 4 months

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

So were you impressed by the pressing last night or the attack play for that matter?
I wasn’t and I’m a fan of Brendans work.
We were poor.
As we were in Gibralter and in Israel and Spain previously against 3 very different sides.

bgbhoy
7 years ago

jesus

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  bgbhoy

Bgbhoy,
Ignore him m8

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Stop using the lords name in vain !!!!!!!!!!

Mon noo Montizuma…some consistency, if yi please.

Jokin, man.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Erm, i think you’ll find it was Bgbhoy who said ” Jesus ” not me.
Too quick on the draw Bondi, better to breathe deeply before typing.
Mon noo

Monti
7 years ago

You are a fucking clown!

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Ah know it was bhbhoy who said ‘jesus’..but you niver pulled him up aboot it.

Am cross.

Tony Carlin
7 years ago

Caption: “right who farted?”

wulz
7 years ago

Caption
Glasgow Council say £1brokes roof is safe
HH

elcormaco
7 years ago

Last night was a reality check. We are fourth seeds in this group for a reason; we are up against three teams who have proved to be better over a number of years. We can rise to the level at times but to do it consistently we need better players. Frankly I’ve got the fear about what the result in Germany could be as we travel worse than Guinness and their team will be stronger

When we qualified it was all about the experience we’d gain and the finance it would generate, and while last night was disappointing those priorities remain unchanged.

If we are to achieve results in Europe we need all of our players playing at or very close to their best, last night Kolo, Brown, Bitton, Forrest, Sinclair, Dembele and Rogic were some way short of their best – Forrest did okay when he got on the ball, but it didn’t happen enough.

Brown in particular annoyed me, he seemed to want to physically impose himself on his opponent when in possession, rather than move the ball on, and he was caught in possession a few times as he either over ran the ball or was out muscled. Know your game and play it In his defence Bitton didn’t look fit and the central midfield area is surely number 1 priority for reinforcements. Oh for another Wanyama.

The other annoying element was how often we played back to Gordon. Even at two goals down we were passing back from inside their half. I don’t know if it was because we looked static in attack, could not handle even moderate pressing or fancied a tactic of the high ball up to Dembele (which never worked) , but it did my head in, even KT was over doing it. When we did trundle forward the flicks or lay offs weren’t working and it became a frustrating night.

I’d not be too harsh however, even while not playing well we were in the game until Kolo’s ricks, and the players generally cant be faulted for effort, its ability that’s missing.

Finally I blame myself. For whatever reason yesterday I just wasn’t feeling it before the game, that stomach tightening tingle was absent. I wasn’t complacent; I was just a bit “meh”

So, I’m sorry I let us all down. HH

Southside Tarrier
7 years ago
Reply to  elcormaco

Couldn’t have summed it up better.
A good hun skelping is what I’m looking forward to now.

Honest Hoops
7 years ago

I’m as disappointed as you are, but I think, Brendan will have now discovered who is inconsistent one game but up for it in the next game and will either move them on or they get their act together,pronto,extra 5 a side sessions in which to improve on one touch fast paced ball movement, I trust Brendan and his backroom team, faithful through and through, a blip? Yes…dust ourselves down and back in the game..Hail, Hail

7 years ago

And you see Rodgers getting the money to buy and then pay for 4 or 5 good, strong, athletic CL players? I don’t. By the time the 4th and 5th come in the 1st and 2nd will already be sold. That’s the way the club is run. Wages and retention of players is the biggest problem. The strategy is sign a Wanyama, Van Dijk, Dembele and punt within two years. And that is what the players want. They are not at Celtic for the long haul. Hence we move in cycles. A couple of good years, a couple of lean years but every time there is a little progress, players go and we are back to square one.Although it is actually worse than that we actually go backwards. Within 4 years we have gone from a glorious result against Barcelona (a victory) to a glorious result against Man City (a draw). Within 5 years glory will be keeping the score down. Glory used to be getting out of the groups, now it is getting into the groups. The only thing that will change this is a massive increase in the money spent on the team and that is not going to happen. Rodgers is there to polish turds, hence the 2 million plus wage. But what kind of shine can he put on some of those turds. Will it be a CL type shine? Unlikely.

BroxburnBhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  john

You are an awfully negative man John and boring to boot

AntonDeclan
7 years ago
Reply to  BroxburnBhoy

Negative but true! John’s comments are harsh…….but fair.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  AntonDeclan

I agree and would at you can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.
Johns just being a realist nothing wrong with that IMO.

Monti
7 years ago

You didn’t see anything wrong with Deula either ya fucking clown!

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

I did though.
Welcome back mental Monti didn’t take you long did it?
One bad result was all it took lol.

Monti
7 years ago

No all it took was for you to start your Deila pish!
Let’s be fucking clear about that!

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

Having an opinion about Deila that is contrary to yours should not warrant that kind of response.
Tell sensible Monti a debate is only that a debate.
It changes hee haw in the big scheme of things.

Monti
7 years ago

Having a contrary opinion isn’t the problem, your childlike, obnoxious use of your opinion is!

Monti
7 years ago

Are you calling our players ” turds “?

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

No.

ewanbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  john

unbelievable, Brendan is just in the door and already the moaners and grouners are out in force all because we were outplayed by a top German team and lost…….wtf do you expect after only a few months in the job ?
and u are wrong in your thinking that Brendan is here to just sell players…..he wounldnt have taken the job if that was the case……why do u think John Parks has left ?
Brendan is here to build a team not to dismantle it but it wont happen over night. he is in full control now of who we sign and he will only sign players who are better than we have. just wait until next season when we will have signed maybe 4 more quality player….then we will start to compete at the CL level…..

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Spot on.
I think he may see out the 10 IAR(If indeed we do achieve itat all)and then reconsider his future.
By that time a decent squad should have been built and assembled.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

Ewanbhoy,
It will take longer than one season m8

ewanbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

agreed but i think we will be miles better next season than what we are now

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  ewanbhoy

do these maoners and groaners include griff? forrest starting before a 40 goal a year man. thats fucking shite that is and so is fucking forrest.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

Fred,
Wow you must be a real intellectual type…..

Tex
7 years ago
Reply to  john

Ye canny polish a turd but u can roll it in glitter.

BroxburnBhoy
7 years ago

I am happy to see the very insightful comments here the day after we were beaten by a better team on the night. Somehow we were flat compared to the City game. The passion and thunder were missing and that said the Germans were very good indeed. We are rebuilding for sure and this is a real learning opportunity to see how they played and play that way ourselves. Add our passion and thunder and we will be a force to be reckoned with. need to keep building and looking for the talent capable of playing this way. We have little to lose in our next CL games and I think we can go out and take the game to the germans and Man city away. Barca are simply brillliant and so i think it unlikely that anyone in the group will beat them or even draw with them. They pulled Man City apart last night. Can we beat City to third place is the probable battle in the group. I think the Germans are better than City.

wulz
7 years ago

The better team won and can have few complaints, if you make a mistake you get punished at that level. Kolo has been great all season and helped us qualify for the group stages, and I’m sure he’ll play his part in the rest of the season. Enjoyed a few beers with their fans before and after the game, just glad we’re involved in one of the world’s biggest tournaments.
HH

7 years ago

Rodgers does not have time to build a team. We are not an attractive enough proposition for players who are young and promising to say I will go to Celtic for 4 or 5 years. They won’t do that. The evidence is in front of your eyes. Wanyama, Ki, Van Dijk. The ones left the Bitton and Rogic are only there because they have regressed and no one came in for them. If they had been consistent they too would have gone. That is the problem. A Dembele comes around once in a while and is gone in a flash. I will be amazed if he is still here for next years qualifiers. The only reason he will is if he does not keep up with the form he has shown. This will have a huge bearing on Rodgers future as well. If he sees players leaving as they want to play for big bucks in England and he is unable to keep them then the natural thing for him is to do the same. It makes sense for him to move professionally, personally and financially. he is not going to hang around because he is a Celtic supporter. He is an ambitious professional. If he cannot move forward then he goes somewhere else. Unless you believe what he says in the Times or the Herald.
I have no problem with the result but only someone ignoring the evidence would say the last 13 minutes was acceptable as a performance from any Celtic team. At 2-0 down Celtic chucked it. I was expecting a lot of punts up the park to at least cause a little mayhem in their back line but nothing. Brown to Gordon to Toure to brown to Gordon. pathetic. What did they have to lose? you don’t defend a defeat. The Germans loved it. And despite the caution celtic showed they still nearly lost a third. That is not good enough.

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  john

ki was rank

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

He was a bit lightweight when he came to us though he’s improved a fair bit since we let him go.
Wouldn’t say he was rank though Fred.

selkirk casual
7 years ago

did City not Demolish the Germans 4 0 ?

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  selkirk casual

City are capable of demolishing any side 4-0 onm a good night.
The Germans had an off night I think.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  selkirk casual

City are capable of demolishing any side 4-0 on a good night.
The Germans had an off night I think.

Uralius
7 years ago
Reply to  selkirk casual

The game was postponed due to weather the fans all went back to Mönchengladbach on busses. The few that remained could only do so because the players had a whip round for them to help bridge the gap. It was a shitty state of affairs and I warned everyone on this site to ignore that result.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Uralius

Good point Uralius

CarlJungleBhoy
7 years ago

Caption: Health & Safety inspectors – searching under the Copland Road roof and below ground for traces of any mythical holy water pipes – declare Ibrokes stadium as world class & 100% safe until 2082 at least.

7 years ago

I have been called negative and boring. I have also been called a realist. Clearly realism is not something which could be levelled at your good self if you believe that the Germans are better than Man City. Christ man, what kind of football do you watch. the problem lots of us ‘supporters’ have is we are completely unwilling to see any other view than out own. these sites are the classic echo chamber. Step outside of the accepted ‘In What ever we trust’ mentality and a person is criticised. the very behaviour we laugh at in the Sevco supporters. That kind on mentality is complacent arrogant and dangerous.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  john

Spot on it’s cringeworthy at best and hun like at worst.

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  john

Its gets on ma wto-bob-bits aw that ‘in Brendan we trust’ shite.

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  john

It gets on ma two-bob-bits aw that “in Brendan we trust’ shite.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

IN BRENDAN WE TRUST!

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Aw naw man…ah can expect a deluge of IBWT. Ah should huv kept quiet aboot that one.

7 years ago

Don’t bring up facts selkirk it gets in the way of a good story and our own wee reality. City will murder them in Germany, and they will murder us in Germany

celtic bicycle club
7 years ago

why oh why do successive managers persist in this quixotic approach when playing in europe?no strength or solidity in the middle (why always two non-tackling wingers) means teams slice us open at will.it’s one thing playing this way domestically, but in europe this system is just so wide open that it gets easily punished by even moderately competent sides.gosh,if red imps exposed it then the management really need to address this.ps,fully expect bmg to go nap in germany

ewanbhoy
7 years ago

lets not forget we were playing a top German team last night and i thought they were excellent and forget about all the hype about the EPL, the German league is far superior especially the technical side of football.
i think our players gave their all last night but the Germans were just too good and i can live with that.
Brendan is just in the door and it will take time and better players to get us up to the CL level…..this season was always just about qualifying and we did that, and lets not forget we were drawn in the toughest group and we are a mile behind all 3 teams in our group so anything we get this season is a bonus.
the way the Germans played last night is exactly where Brendan wants to take us and and believe he will get us there but it was never going to happen this season.
lets now just focus on winning on all fronts domestically this season, starting off by pumping the scum on Sunday.
in Brendan we trust

hail hail

Mike Annis
7 years ago

Hard to explain the way the team played against City and last night. These nights happen but hard to take, but we are a helluva lot better than under Ronnie. It is always a big step up now from playing in a crap SPL and against good CL sides. It’s a lesson for us all to take in.
Caption: Ibrox roof repairs passed by SPL Inspection team.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike Annis

🙂

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

I think our support get’s carried away too easily after a good result.
Been saying it for years that in the CL or Europe for that matter upsets do happen and less fancied teams(us) can raise their games on the big occasion.
This myth that a full CP is a fortress is a nonsense too some players respond to these conditions just like ours do sometimes?
I thought we were flat last night,passed it poorly and the movement that has been present in previous games wasn’t there.
They had these 3 factors nailed down and as a result looked like a very classy side.
Truth is were poor and they were above average as a result.
The step up in class from Domestic to European game is massive and anything less than a decent performance by the bulk of the side can result in a bad night.
No matter who we face be that a Molde a Malmo a Borrussia they have players who will given the chance put it away fairly proficiently.
As we often can when the tables are turned as against the likes of Inter Spartak or Man City?
Our bread and butter is the Domestic stuff and from what I am seeing we have kicked on from last season in that regard the European stuff is added bonus and is going to take time to master again IMO.
It took Lenny 2 Seasons to get to grips with it and I think given time and backing Brendan will do like wise.
I always expected these games (against the Germans)to be a tough test we are 4th seeds for very good reason.
If we can get points from any of the remaining games I will be happy enough with that as I suspected 3 points was probably all we could have hoped for when the draw was made.
Anything more?
Bonus.

jimmybee
7 years ago

I don’t think there is much to look at between the city match and last night. City were there to be got at. Their defence is their weakness. Last night that team were strong in every department. If you were at the game, you would have seen how difficult it was to try and pick a pass, they had all the angles closed down, as soon as Tierney or Forrest got up the park bang 3 or 4 covered. If you were watching on the telly,it didn’t do justice as to hard the Germans worked for each other.
Yet we were hanging in, and who knows what would have brought if we could have hung on till the final third of the match.
We do need a Wanyama type player. Bitton isn’t upto it. Neither is Armstrong by the way. Paddy McNair would have been the ideal candidate but he got away. January hopefully it will be sorted but we were close last night some passes just missed their mark,and Sinclair could have put us one up before half time. It wasn’t or isn’t all doom and gloom.
We are nearly there,just one or two in midfield we will be okay.
But it does look like one point us all we will be taking.
To be honest I’d rather not be in Europa league after Xmas.
HH

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

The Europa League is a good place to start playing your supposed back up players Jimmy.
The likes of O’Connell Simunovic Izzy Gamboa Armstrong etc who need game time at a higher level.
This prepares them for the next seasons tilt at the big League.
I doubt we will be finishing 3rd now we had to win that last night IMO to put us in a better position for the away tie in Germany.
The added bonus money too for winning is always handy too when building for next season.
The Germans were well organised no shock there.

Monti
7 years ago

Utter pish!

dubcelt
7 years ago

“if you can stay in front just past the hour mark, the fans will obligingly disappear so that you can make your way out of the stadium to the airport with minimal fuss as well.”

great point ralph. watching last night as somebody who would have loved to be there I was disgusted with the swathes of empty seats to be seen from the 80 minute mark on. we all love to talk about the best fans in the world and the special atmosphere on champions league nights – to see that is very disappointing. if we had nabbed a goal with 6/7 minuets to go with a full house behind us a draw would not have been out of the questions but seemingly when the odds are against us “faithful through and through” is just a song.

to anyone who left early last night (or any night) you let us all down.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  dubcelt

Shite, not all fans stay on the doorstep of the club, people have to go to work on rhe nightshift or travel great distances, public transport etc.

” let us all down “?
Get a fucking grip min

dubcelt
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

either do I. I live in Ireland and regularly travel for games but I have never left a match early.
are you saying that had we been 1-0 up and the game in the balance that all these fans had planned to leave in the 80th minute and would have been gone regardless?
do you think a full stadium roaring the team on with 10 minutes to go would have been of help to the team? why do you think people talk about the great atmosphere on champions league nights? why do you think we have a ridiculously good home record in the champs league (especially oontrasted to our away form)? the fans clearly have our part to play. anyone who left early last night didn’t play their part pure and simple. I would rather anyone not willing to support the team for 90+minutes regardless of how the match is going stayed at home and left tickets for genuine fans who will stay and support the team.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  dubcelt

Dubcelt,
Never mind slating the Celtic fans who leave early, they paid their fucking money and can leave when they wish.

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

“FAITHFUL THROUGH AND THROUGH”

FredCDobbs
7 years ago
Reply to  dubcelt

good to see the real problems being aired. Im off for a currant bun, or maybe I just ate one

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  FredCDobbs

🙂

7 years ago

I don’t know how many times I have heard ‘we will hopefully sort it in January’ or ‘before the qualifiers’. Celtic needed a decent midfielder in the summer and didn’t make enough of an effort to get one. Last night showed how weak we were in the middle. Especially when Brown dropped back in the 2nd half. These players cost money, real money. That Celtic won’t pay. Rodgers is talking about 4 or 5 players, half a team. Please some one tell me a period in Celtic’s history when we signed half a team of quality players. That number of players takes us 4 seasons to sign.
Paddy McNair, really. Apart from the fact he wasn’t interested if he is the answer then Gods help us. Kolo Toure has been pretty good for Celtic but let’s face it he is finished. Especially at CL level. I still think he was Celtic’s best player by far last night. I think Big Erik could have made more of an effort to block the shot for the goal as well. Kolo Should only play occasionally in the league, Simunovic and Big Erik need to build up a partnership and see where that goes. Defensively it was shambolic the space they were getting in the first half, with Tierney repeatedly missing was frightening. If they had played their first team attackers we could have been mauled.

7 years ago

Let’s face it it has been like that for years. People flooding out with 15 minutes left. i have seen it happen when we have been one each with ten minutes to go and guys in front of me have just went ‘come on’ and left. obviously very busy people. For me it is criminal to be unable to sit for 90 minutes or spend half the time like a 14 year old lassie taking selfies and texting your mates. or spend 25 minutes buying something to eat because obviously you couldn’t do that coming to the game or wait until after it has finished. Admittedly I occasionally have to run to the toilet as I have had a few pints before hand.

iancelt67
7 years ago

best chance of the game fell to sinclair gfrom a sublime rogic pass. plus we were the better team when they scored. toure shouldnt have fucked about there. one up front was the wrong way to go thats why toure brown and bitton kept getting caught. no fwd options just a static dembele

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  iancelt67

The same Dembele who has been outstanding all season!

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

He has struggled in a few European games Monti tbf though he’s still raw and learning his trade at that level.
I still think Griffiths offers more if we are serious about pressing sides higher up Dembele has been guilty of strolling about at times and at that level you can’t afford to carry passengers.

Monti
7 years ago

Dembele is an outstanding talent, at his age you get inconsistency, this is normal.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Agreed but then why leave him on if it’s obvious he’s having an off night leaving 40 goals in a season Griffiths sat twiddling his thumbs with 20 minutes to go?

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  iancelt67

Where you watching the gemm Sunday Ian? Ah watched the gemm yesterday in Cheers: sombre affair.

mike
7 years ago

In the horns of a dilema.

The Celtic playing squad is clearly the best in the SPFL,but sorley deficient when it comes to playing top teams in the C.L.We are not alone in that,that is why the top Leagues are being allocated more direct entries into the C.L.
My only wish was that the Tic. would achieve C.L. Qualification,for the ritcheys that Qualification brings.I care not a jot if we are pumped by some of the best fitba. teams in the world,who!s monetary income is astranomical.
We are where we are in terms of Leagues and income.I do not want my club to pay astronimical prices for players and to put my club into financial difficulties.
So for me there is NO dilema,accept where we are and accept our limitations,saying that, its still ok to dream.
Last night we watched a team that was able to make accurate passes under pressure,they had a skill,mobility and technical ability as well as fitness and stamina,it was great to watch,something to aspire to,but not at any cost.
I said before the qualifiers that qualification was,for me the target,i did not wish for more and i stand by that.
Perhaps barring miracles we can now concentrate on the domestic game,hopefully adding 1/2 better players in the January window and move on further.
I will always be a very proud Tic. supporter.

irishmaninporto
7 years ago

Ok I was watching it on a very bad stream that kept buffering every few minutes … from what i saw it looked as if the “German Team” were hungrier than us … and this is with some key players missing remember ..
Big Kolo at least held his hand up for the howlers … cracking finish for their second to be fair …
All the commentators were saying is that maybe the Germans threw a spanner in the works by not playing with their customary formation… not sure if that was the case .. but you could tell that their coach had done his homework tho … Sinclair got the hall and was crowded out immediately. Dembele the same …
So we now have to pick ourselves up for the remaining 3 games … maybe play Jozo as well as Erik ?
Just a question about the fans … before the game it was talked about that in minute 2 there would be a minute applause or silence for the wee lamb who died … on the stream it didn’t appear that way … was it cancelled or did it happen ?
Right let’s gub the zombies at the weekend and prepare for the rematch v Borussia

Monti
7 years ago

Deila out!

Monti
7 years ago

Andybhoy,
Time to bring out the donkey archives 🙂

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Troll time folks.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz hee haw hee haw hee haw zzzzzzzzzzz.

Monti
7 years ago

Ralph, Ralph look look thr big bad troll Monti is picking on me……

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

That oaf is the biggest troll on this site, he just doesn’t realise.

Bob
7 years ago

Charliesaiz? don’t worry pal wait for the response to this my WIFE will get a mention he’s getting tiresome now.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob

🙂

jrw
7 years ago

We lost to the better team -we never looked liked scoring and never had any sustained period of pressure. Most players were short of their best. Not everyone leaving early can have been on nights or worried about public transport – too many fans left at about 80 minutes. If it was still 0-0 or if we were ahead there wouldn’t have been a mass exodus.More or less the same crowd managed (think of all those 3 match packages) to hang on during the City game.

dubcelt
7 years ago
Reply to  jrw

exactly.

Delbhoy
7 years ago

In any game its usually won in midfield, when brown and biton play like they are in sunday league we have no chance. I cant understand why they dont drop biton and play armstrong , ok hes not a world beater but he is quick young and more dynamic than either brown or biton. Anyone who watches the development squad , is there any outstanding midfielders coming through for the young invincibles?

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

Ambrose and Ajer have both played in the DM role at previous Clubs (and International level).
Bittons not up to it at this level IMO he should ber trying either of these as a matter of urgency because Brown suffers as a result if he’s not getting backup in there.

Monti
7 years ago

HAHA HA HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHA

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Must be halloween.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

Ambrose and Ajer have both played in the DM role at previous Clubs (and International level).
Bittons not up to it at this level IMO he should be trying either of these as a matter of urgency because Brown suffers as a result if he’s not getting backup in there.

cartvale88
7 years ago

The fans are as much to blame, in the old days they would have roared the team on now, as the team also thought a lost cause.
The problem with some of the players is they overplay the ball. rather than move it fast to an open space or a player in an open space. Both goals were caused b overplaying and if the simple things had been done we may have got a draw.
the problem we have is our midfield which is weak, Biton and Brown are out of their class. In SPFL they are good in Europe dross.
THey both should hold their hands up as Toure did. The good points are we shall schoosh the league and with Bogers there we can only improve. But some of the players Biton, Brown, Toure and Lustig require to be relaced with newer younger blood.
I mentioned earlier that he second half reminded me of the Maribor game, as deid as a door Nail!

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  cartvale88

Fucking hell………the fans are getting it now????
WTF??????

jrw
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

It’s the old conundrum: do the fans respond to the team, or does the team respond to the fans? Last night I thought we as fans were a bit subdued – we didn’t have the momentum of the early goal as last time and the team and support never really got going. We didn’t really hear COYBG at any time last night in sharp contrast to the last five or so minutes against City where it was defeaning going from end to end – I think that helped the buoys over the line on that occasion.

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  cartvale88

Cartvale,

A good post amongst many in the diary today. Let’s not over analyse last night. Manager, team, fans have all taken a shot. The real culprit is “expectations”.

Now any team needs to expect to win when they enter a game. To do otherwise is to invite defeat. However, to have higher expectations than are realistic is to also court disaster. I think the team, the manager and certainly many fans had too high expectations. Talk of 4-0 or 3-0 were unrealistic. Talk of qualifying for the next stage of the CL were unrealistic. Finishing third would have been an achievement.

If the team went out there expecting to destroy BMG then the first 20 minutes would have destroyed that expectation and thrown the team into confusion. Thereafter, we needed luck to get a result. The same can said of fans. For many their expectations fell from an unrealistic high. The result is over analysis and over reaction.

When the group was announced, the result last night was the most likely outcome. We have improved since then and will continue to improve but we started at the bottom of a bery long hill.

I am still optimistic. Now BR’s mettle will be tested in getting the team up for the next game, which was always more important to most fans.

Rebus

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  Rebus67

You have to at the very least get in players that can move/pass we couldn,t get near them because we are not athletic enough, for a short spell we pressed them and hopes rose but we couldn,t maintain it,with players like Forest/Rogic/Biton/Broonie you are always going to struggle they are just not goodenough for the required step up,they played in triangles/squares passing and defending at will,we didn,t have the movement/pace to close down the space.

jrw
7 years ago

Bhoys – spellchecker fault.

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  jrw

Jrw,

Same here for my post, plus bad grammar. I blame my old English teacher, Mrs Mc…B!

Rebus

7 years ago

If the non-event league cup semi against a supposedly dead team is more important to most fans they need to have a bloody good look at themselves. Small minded doesn’t come in to it. The club will never progress if we think the be all and end all is the game in Scotland. That kind of thinking is why we can’t cut it at a higher level.

Rebus67
7 years ago
Reply to  john

John,

You seem to be big on reality…telling it as it is. Good for you. It is only my opinion but I suspect that if it were possible to offer a choice to fans of either beat a German team or beat “rangers”, I suspect most would opt for the latter. That is what I think would happen. I am not saying that it should be that way but I believe that it is.

Celtic is a victim of the economics of the game, just as Celtic has contributed to making Dundee United a victim on a lower level. Results like the MC one will be the exception rather than the norm, unless two interconnected things happen: a) we spend significantly more on players, and b) we play in a richer league.

Rebus

jimmybee
7 years ago

paddy mcnair

Devoy45
7 years ago

I think the real killer was that last night’s result means we’re out of Europe early. The CL is great, even if we’re not yet good enough. It has given us all our best Celtic memories. We always expect the best and enjoy a wee surprise: Barca, Man Utd, Milan in recent years. I think we rightly expected to handle MGB last night. However, I never thought we would score. Realism. Optimism. Hope. We still want our 10 in a row and a Treble would be ok too. Brendan got us there. But remembering I also wanted Deila to succeed, as Celtic fans and not Sevco ones, we have the right to criticise everyone connected with the club, players and manager alike. I support Brendan, I like his style and vision but he is also human. Give everything plenty of time. Monti, man, we need Charlie Saiz on this forum and we can criticise him too but ‘fuckin clown’ doesn’t do it for me. Call me a fuckin clown if you want because I take that as a compliment and would never tire of fuckin. Clowning makes people laugh, which is good for heart and soul. Devoy, you feckin clown! Devoy: head of the Charlie Saiz fan club. John is only telling us the truth on many fronts, so is Jimmybee and others. Any thoughts on the Semi-final?

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Devoy45

Devoy,
No he is a fucking clown!

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Smell the troll finger mental Monti.

Monti
7 years ago

You wanted Deila to be given more time?
You wanted Ambrose to play in midfield?

……..and you call me mental?

Tee hee heee

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

Language Montizuma! You dinny half swear a lot.

jimmybee
7 years ago

Sorry hit the wrong button there, in response to John,paddy is a player yes not a big name to set the Heather on fire,but a lot better than what we have. Working within the constraints we had,he would have been a good signing. If Brendan is now pressuring Peter and the board,good. It’s been a long time coming.
But remember the players attracted to Celtic,are using it as a stepping stone to the premiership. There is nothing wrong with that,except the frustration of the fans. But that’s how it works.
We got lucky against City 3-3 flattered us but we need that.
We got unlucky last night with 2 schoolboy errors, yes they were the better team,but I thought we were coping. So unlucky in a way. It is what it is.
Onwards and upwards we go.
Onto Sunday and we should expect a much tougher game on a pitch that brings the worst out on us.
I watched that match back,and that Garner who scored for them is as fly as they come. Proper lower league player who has learned from the rough and ready championships. He is someone the ref should be watching real carefully.
For me Leigh and Paddy should be brought back in. I would sacrifice Bitton and Forrest. 4 1 3 2.
Gordon
Lustig Eric Toure Tierney
Brown
Roberts Rogic Sinclair
Dembele Griffiths.
HH

excathedra
7 years ago

Not hearing much from the fans of James ” man on fire ” Forrest.
Stinking as usual with a 20% contribution,we will never have a dominant team with this guy playing.

Has improved this Season which effectively confirms that previously he was not trying a leg.

How come if he is as good as this site thinks No one ,thats NO ONE,ever states an interest,nor do the papers pursue his departure,why because we are weaker when he’s here.

Soon as Tirney or Dembele show a sign of form the Media are trying to sell…………..Why not James……..because he weakens us.

john young
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

he is/was and always will be a non event but for some reason since the early days fans have idolised him,we really really need better than him.

jimmybee
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

BMG had 3 on him m8 soon as he got the ball they respected him enough.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

James was poor as was Dembele regardless of the marking it’s his job as a winger to get round that problem.
Just like Roberts did within minutes of getting on the pitch.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

You wouldn’t know a football from a from a banana. Spare us the pontificating bollocks. You seem to have a remarkable ability in stating the most shite and inane twaddle, whilst commenting on players you have probably never seen in the flesh. You watch a game on a square box, whilst others watch all the movement of all the players, work that’s done off the ball. You don’t see that, do you? Yet there you are, continually giving us the gospel according to charlie saiz, international man of misery and football statistician extrordinaire.
Shove it.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

Cool story bro.

andybhoy
7 years ago

Is that the best you can do .. tosser.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

Excathedra,
Ok i’ll step up to the plate regarding Forrest….mon then, what’s your point?

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

I see the arseholes are out in their droves after a defeat. Typical pish stained twats.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

To be expected after a poor performance.
After all I seem to remember you and the James Forrest Fan Club being all over EVERY poor game under Deila.
One rule for one is it or just the usual rank hypocrisy from the JFFC?

andybhoy
7 years ago

Eh, you and others, who continually bad mouth players. Have I once criticised a Celtic player on this forum (apart from Berget). Deila was an imposter. Have I been on here praising James Forrest? Find one of my comments praising James Forrest. I will stand up for him against all the disgusting posts about him yes, as a friend would and should do.
You Dunky the donkey should fuck off over to Norway and blaw yer idols baloney.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

Back to using first name on the Forum again I see?
Know what you are Pandy.
Smell the finger son.

andybhoy
7 years ago

I dearly would love to meet you,you scumbag.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

Why would that be then?
Are you a bit unstable then Pandy?

andybhoy
7 years ago

Not me, I just cant take to nonentities like yourself talking continual shit.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

There are some even slating the support???
Lol

Bgbhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

Spurs. Everton palace and Vigo all had an interest in him at times….. Sorry but the worst winger last night by a mile was Sinclair

jimmybee
7 years ago

Test

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

Failed 🙂

jimmybee
7 years ago

Devoy is all about opinions comrade, Monti ruffles feathers but Charlie Saiz can hold his own. I like Charlie Saiz posting too,as well as John and the others who have varying and much respected opinions by myself. We are all here for the good of the tic.
Sunday m8 I posted I but it has went somewhere else.
My concearns is the ref to be honest.
Joey Gardner the lad they got from Preston is good at the wind up,and even when it was him that was doing the fouling,he somehow managed to con the ref,and get the Celtic player in trouble. He needs to be carefully watched. He has learned well the dirtier side of the game in the championship.
It will a stiffer test this time,but we must get into it quickly.
Changes for me would be to bring back paddy and Leigh.
Gordon
Lustig Eric Toure Tierney
Roberts Brown Rogic Sinclair
Dembele Griff.
Though I know it’s not what Brendan plays.

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  jimmybee

jimmybee that garner cunt will fit in well over at the shithole

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Spot on he had a reputation at Preston for diving and getting players booked.

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

tsci he tried to get lustig sent aff in the last walkover

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

For sure he’s a cnut mate no doubting it slots in well with that mob as you rightly say.

charlie
7 years ago

the germans pressed us fast as fuck all over the pitch last night they worked their arses aff and never gave us a minute on the baw also at no time after the whistle for kick off did i get the feeling the bhoys were right up for it i dont know why that was but a coupla guys roonaboot me thought the same brendan will have learnt from it and hopefully we put on a better display over there COYBIG

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

You still got that hotel room booked Charlie???

charlie
7 years ago

ha ha hopefully ile be back in hasslin the guy again in 2 weeks

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

andybhoy when he sees me comin through the door he says awe ffs no you again he says a thursday wouldnae be the same withoot a visit fae me ha ha

mike
7 years ago

My ambitions for the Tic. in 2016 are,
Bring in a good experienced Manager, tic.
Bring in 1/2 better quality players, tic.
Gain entry to the C.L.—————tic.
Pump the Rankers,——————–tic.
Win 6 in a row,———————-tbc.
Win 1/2 Domestic cups.—————tbc.
By fulfilling this,it brings in much needed revenue and keeps the club moving forward.
Oh and sign Calum Paterson,the highest scoring r.b. in European history.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

My my Mike you appear to have the same tick list as me for this Season.
Paterson would be a good signing he’s improving every Season.

charlie
7 years ago

caption ibrox stadium manager says nothing to see here timmy

Delbhoy
7 years ago

Ajer was the captain of his club side so he must be a special talent, cant be showing enough to the manager though as hes spoke about him going on loan. Who does play midfield for the development boys charlie siaz?

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

He does as does Regan Hendry and Mark Hill Del.
Jamie lindsay is out on loan too a player who I think has a chance of making it.
Ajer did well early season I thought particularly in Central Defence seems to have slipped off Brendans radar?

excathedra
7 years ago

Monti,my point is simple, we will never succeed against better opposition when carrying a man.
JF output is below par,has had a brief revival but never a constant threat,never a target for so called better Clubs.
Time up.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

You are spot on about the lack of genuine interest in him from elsewhere bud though his early form this season has been way better than recent Seasons.
Too early to call but if he fails to put in a solid year I think we should look at bringing in a replacement of the calibre of Sinclair.

andybhoy
7 years ago

You know fuck all you poisonous cretin.

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

You need to calm down Pandy yer mask is slipping in public.

andybhoy
7 years ago

I don’t have or need a mask donkey boy, unlike you.

Monti
7 years ago

Charlie Saiz,
How do you get a mask on over a nose bag?

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago

Charlie Saiz is in Liquidation bhoys.
The Charlie Saiz International cannot hope to help you with these inane enquiries any more.
Sorry but the troll Dept was shut down in the shake up.
All that was left was this sign

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BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

whaut is it wi you andybhoy. Pure radge. We’re aw hurting after the gemm but ease up wi aw the personal insults eh. Its tedious.

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  BondiBrian

Sorry. I’m not hurting after the game. What gets me is the way the pack of jackals hiding behind their laptops turn on players. I said before a ball was kicked in this group if we got anything out of any of the games I would be delighted. 3 or 4 points would be a great achievement and still very possible. As for being tedious, you should know.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  andybhoy

🙂

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  excathedra

Pish

BondiBrian
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

IBWT.

Delbhoy
7 years ago

As desi poited out last night the defense was done for pace. Surely big jozo who is very quick as well as a dam good defender cant keep being left out in europe. Why not go back three with big toure sweeper

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

Delbhoy,
Good shout m8

The Charlie Saiz International
7 years ago
Reply to  Delbhoy

After half an hour it was fiarly obvious Bitton should have been hooked an Simunovic brought in at HT.
I did say we should have gone 3-4-3 and after 45 minutes felt that should have been the case.

The Charlie Saiz International October 18, 2016 at 6:01 pm →
If Lustig is fit I would expect Brendan to go with a 4 at the back however if he isn’t fully fit I would hope he goes with a 3 (Jozo Kolo Erik) and pushes both wingbacks up. a bit .
3-4-3 would be my preferred choice but I think he’s more inclined to go with the tried and tested 4-2-3-1
But hey what do I know? 😉

Monti
7 years ago

Nothing!

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