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Rodgers, Deila and Lennon. Not Just About The Managers.

After a recent discussion between Charlie Saiz and myself ( Ralph ), he agreed to go away and put together the salient points for further debate…

The  discussion centered around  the relative impacts made by the arrival of current boss, Brendan Rodgers, and his predecessor , Ronny Deila.
Both managers arrived from different ends of the managerial spectrum and as a result got a different approach from the Club and power(s) at be. And , of course, generated a different reaction from the support. Poles apart, in fact.

Deila,  a relative unknown from Norways back fjords came to the table with more or less an empty hand. The biggest job of his career to date, it would be fair to say that Celtic were more of a catch for him, then he was for Celtic.
Which meant, of course, the club held all the aces.

He had  followed a club legend into the hot seat , one who had served the club successfully as a manger and a player. A man who had a very good understanding and relationship with the support being a Tim on arrival.

That meant he had to hit the ground running. Lenny achieved as a player at Celtic and delivered as a fledgling boss in a short period of time. He was, and still is, a fans favourite, and many still lament his departure, under somewhat cloudy circumstances.
Lennon had been  backed primarily in the transfer windows and a fair bit of money was spent building a squad capable of achieving what were great results in Europe. Well for one glorious season anyway.

Deila arrived to an underwhelmed support, most of which viewed him as a cheap option, or a defualt choice when others had turned the job down. Perhaos he could even be termed a panic move, similar to the players who arrived at Celtic just before mdnight on transfer deadline day, when it had become apparent they were all we could get.

As he had no real reputation in the game outside of Norway and a  only few knowledgable observers knew what the club was getting, it could be argued that Lawwell and his fellow directors were not going to fully trust him with a spending spree, certainly not at first, and Deila’s refusal to stamp his authority from the start would ultimately contribute to his downfall. a lack of authority at board level soon led to a lack of authority in the dressing room.

Throw in that he followed a much loved Celt, and the writing was on the wall should he make even the smallest of mistakes.

Yet he did implement the style still used today. Though it can be argued that whatever groundwork he put in has certainly been improved upon by his successor, a big name manager with experience at arguably Britains most successful club-five big cups-who didn;t need to explain to the players what he wanted and why, he just told them what he wanted.

And he got it.
In comparison, when Brendan Rodgers came to the table , he came with a fist full of aces.

Above all, Celtic needed him. A crucial difference where any negotiations between the manager and the board are concerned, and as a result, he got a free hand in transfer dealings, and got the players he wanted.

All of which, bar De Vries and Gamboa, and theres time for them yet, can safely be said to have improved things.

The support needed a lift, and they showed just how much by turning up in their thousands to welcome him, whereas his predecessor never got more than a “We’ll see how it goes ” response.

The club needed to restore its credibilty on the European stage, and Rodgers was in a position to tell them what was needed.

Attendances were on the decline,the lack of Champions League football and revenue was having a terrible effect on both attendance and finances as a result the Club had cut back. More improtanly, the norale of the fans was down, and that usually sees the start of a vicious downward cycle.
The lack of a viable Rangers side in the League was also a small factor I believe in the cutting back on investment latterly under Lenny and through Deilas short stay.

Fans didn’t miss them, but a short sighted board failed to see beyond the “old firm 2, and whilst publicly denying their relevance, behind closed doors , they couldn;t figure out how to live in a world without them.

Consequently, important investment was delayed, as domestically they felt it wasn’t needed.

Rodgers arrival co incided with the arrival of a new club with a large fan base and the potential to challenge for the title, and therefore the investment scould now be resumed.

rodgers had the support of the board, he knew what he wanted, and he went out and got it.

On the pitcch, crucially, he delivered, and although he’s only been here a few months, he already feels like part of the furniture.

The club are back in the champions League proper, a cup sen=mi final and a comfortable lead in the league.

His opening gambits worked, partly because he had a free hand and complete control, partly because of is reputaton, and partly, probably mostly, becuase he’s a bloody good manager who knows how to get the best out of his players.

But the fact that like Lennon , he is deep down a tim, one of us, also contributed, and again showed why its probably better to have one of our own in chagre than even the most promising of young Europeans- and Deila will go on to better things, as he has the ideas, but not the savvy to implement them, which will come with experience.

The approach from Celtic to both managers  on arrival were  totally different. Perhaps because different results were required.

Ronny never had control, some may argue that’s just as ell, but it meant that players didn;t respect him, and therefore it was only a matter of time before he was on his way. He did bring in a lot of players, some who never really got a chance, which suggests they weren;t his idea. Time will probably tell that although he did have the final say on arrivals and departures, it was presented to him as a multiple choice question, and not as an open page.

And the priority seemed to be a players resale value. Not what they could add to the team.

The profile of his signing seemed to be working to a template, and as a result, the team was top heavy with inexperience, whilst Rodgers has been allowed to sign two thrity five year olds, on more than decent money, who will be worth nothing at the end of their contracts.

Because he felt that was what was needed.
If we want to be regulars at the top table in europe, we have to buy what the team needs, not what the bank balance suggests we should.

We haven’t done that since Martin O’Neill pludered the EPL, but in thise days we could at least match their spending. These days , its out of the question, and a manager must have a failry thick book of contacts and a wealth of knowledge about players he has worked with before that can do a job for him now.

Deila didn;t get his star name, Martin Odegaard, and he had expected to.

Rodgers has got his, and they are doing the job for him.

Deila had to contend with the sale of Virgil van Dijk, the end of the loan period for Jason Denaayer, and a couple of other losses. He never got to replace them.

The downsizing forced by O’Neills big spending hit not only Lennon, but Gordon Strachan before him, and if these two couldn’t speculate to accumaulate, there was never any chance Deila could.

Rodgers, on the other hand, has bought well. He needed to, but he at least got the support from the boardroom he needed, unless a later tale of their reluctance to spend emerges.
Brendans appointment has signalled an end to the old conservative  approach, pehaps as players are sold on for profit, he will be allowe a little more leeway with the purse strings. Perhaps ,over time, using money made from the likes of Dembele, Sinclair or others in the squad, it will be re-invested, in slgihtly better quality, for a higher return…

It does seem that the club are investing a little more wisely, and are perhaps willing to even break through the prohibitive wage cap. If they want quality, they will have to.
Many of us have been harping on about this for years we have been screaming for Celtic to speculate a bit more and push the boat out a bit further before we lost sight altogether of the big league we wish to participate in.

We may now have got that, or at least the beginnings of it.

Wednesday night was a glimpse of how things could be, with the right management, and the right board working together.

Momentum is gathering at Celtic , who knows where it will take us ?

The next two transfer windows will show how serious the club is during the Rodgers tenure, indeed, it may even determine whether he will be around for as long as the fans want him, as he told a fans podcast a week or so ago.

However it turns out, and we all hope we kep going as we are, its certainly a more exciting time than the last few years.

I think maybe we should just sit back, strap ourselves in, and enjoy the ride.

 

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Bob
7 years ago

Fantastic article and spot on regards Brendan!if we manage to match his ambitions and I believe he is realistic in that (he knows we can’t compete with teams in England) he will be here for the long haul and in having him as manager we will not only entice quality but are in for a successful period for our wonderful club.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob

My hope is they back him further Bob failure to do so like Lenny like WGS and ultimately MON he will be gone.
There’s no point backing short term and hoping for results long term.
Football seldom works that way.
Speculate to accumulate once you accumulate invest and speculate some more.
If you fail to deliver once Season?
Sell one of the players you speculated on to offset the balance.
Minimise the impact.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Minimalise’

Bob
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Spot on Charliesaiz everyone now goes to games with a smile on their face certainly not the case last year.

BroxburnBhoy
7 years ago

Good analysis. I think that BR is simply more experienced and a better manager for that. Competence coupled with resources tends to work everywhere. Dermot Desmond saw this need based on his ugly experience watching Sevco directors celebrate at hampden. Just like Martin O’Neil this is Dermots pick and so support from the Board is a given. I think we can safely forget Delia as an experiment that failed to capture our imagination. Moving on with BR that is exciting and worth the trip.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  BroxburnBhoy

He is BB that’s why he will be commanding a much healthier wage than Deila.
Both come from totally different Footballing backgrounds.
I am with you on the Dermot thing I believe he let Lawwell have control over the Deila appointment hence the control over Transfers and finances.
That failed to take us forward ie get to where we both want and need to be in Europe.
He stepped in put his preferred Manager in and here we are today.
We are in a much better place now thanks to him and Brendan.
Deila delivered the minimum perhaps that is all he ever would so I have no grievance as many before have even failed to do that at Celtic.

Bgbhoy
7 years ago

If deila was one of Europes hottest young managers he would not be manager of valarenga

He put 0 groundwork into the way we are currently playing. He was a fucking clown. Rodgers ripped it up and started again. The players had no idea what thy where supposed to be Doug under deila. Rodgers can change formation up to 3 times in a game to win it. Deila didn’t change it in 2 years. Deila does not deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Rodgers. They where both manager o Celtic. That’s where the similarties end. Period

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Bgbhoy

Bgbhoy,
Well said my friend!

Deila was fucking useless and half the stadium was empty!
I would have done a better job than Deila at least i wouldn’t just stand in rbe technical area wondering what to do!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Bgbhoy

The way we are playing is exactly what Deila outlined on arrival.
The fact our players could not deliver that with any great consistency was the problem.
His lack of ability to change things when it wasn’t working was his and ultimately why he went.
Your kidding yourself though if you think Brendan Rodgers is somehow reinventing the wheel at Celtic because from the opening games he clearly isn’t.

Uralius
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie Saiz,
It is my opinion that Deila’s lack of true leadership and man management cost him dearly. I believe that the way he spoke about the team and the players was confidence stripping and I wrote a rallying call in an attempt to reverse that towards the end of last season. While it is also my opinion he may have had the right idea he was unfortunately a knob and a complete joke of a leader. I reckon that he should have shipped Efe after his second blunder, and gotten rid of any of the players who tried to undermine him. He also should not have relied so heavily on the leadership of Broony, Mulgrew and Commons because once he lost them the test of the team followed. Finally lets not forget Collins isn’t actually known for his man management. I don’t blame the board, I blame the man, not as manager, but as a poor leader who had his obvious favorites and couldn’t lead a Virgin to a brothel with a GPS and £200.

Monti
7 years ago

DEILA OUT!

mike
7 years ago

Goodbye,farewell,auf wiedersehen,goodbye,
i!m glad not sad,i cannot tell a lie.

Scot Brown, Its like night and day,compared to the last two years.

John McCloy in Tasmania
7 years ago

Ralph it must have been some ding dong with Charlie saiz,you must have been beelin when you wrote this article,hence the fcukkin speelin mishtaces.2/10 must calm down to do better.HH

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

It was a carefully planned Pedant Trap John designed to ensnare unsuspecting grammar queens who offer little or no real input to a debate.
For that you get 10/10

connolly's chair
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I’ve got no bones to pick with you Charlie Saiz but it’s not polite to be rude to others who have highlighted the many spelling errors in your narrative.
Apart from agreeing with most of your contribution,I also will not be offering any real input to your debate.
Grammar and spelling are important,not pedantry at all.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago

It’s pedantry when all you have to input is criticism on spelling.
It’s a forum for fitba not a fucking English exam.
Cheers for your input anyway bud.
btw my response was a joke nothing more.
I guessed you missed that point?

Tex
7 years ago

As Mike said Scott Brown not the same player as last year.Just goes to show what a real manager can motivate players into doing.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Tex

Scott Brown couldn’t pass a ball 10 feet to feet for most of the season last Season.
That had nothing to do with Deila.
A players form can dip and rise from Season to Season from month to month in some cases.
He’s free from injury has dropped out of

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

playing for Scotland.
Add in the arrival of Rodgers and it’s no suprising his form has improved as a result.
Unless of course you are somehow suggesting he was holding back all last Season in an effort to get the Manager the boot?

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Absolute rubbish.

mike
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

Brown was an acknowledged good player,team captain and Internationalist,he played under several Celtic and Scottish Managers,each one praised him rightly to the hilt.Its also acknowledged that he was carrying an injury,last season,you just had to look at some of the games to see that was the case.
Its therefore no suprise that he is back to his recent best,under a Manager who will get the best out of him.
Scotlands loss is Celtics gain.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

Spot on I was going to finish with he has dropped out of International Footabll and as a result is much fresher this season.
I think he and Johansen suffered a bit of burnout after Deilas fisrt Season due to the change in approach and increased demands of playing a pressing game.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  mike

🙂

Tex
7 years ago

That,s your opinion CS personally I think Deila had a lot to do with how most of the players under performed last season,especially the semi final against Sevco.

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Tex

So how do you explain the form of Tierney,Griffiths and Rogic under him?
Deila fucked up in the Cup.
He’s not the first or the last to do so.
Lenny had his failings in the Cup and he also had players both performing and under performing throughout.
Deila was off to a loser from the start I feel destined to fail from the get go.
An unknown quantity who was clearly not fully backed by the board.
Untested at a higher level in Europe.
Ultimately let down in the dressing room by some who clearly never bought into what he was implementing.
He had his faults but to suggest he was responsible for the dip in players form is ridiculous bud.
As Mike pointed out about he had injury and excessive games to contend with as well as a dip in his own performance.
As did several others unfortunately at the same time.
Lustig Bitton and Johansen all suffered poor or inconsistent form last Season.
These are 4 big players in a squad short of genuine quality.
Rodgers has added better quality.
That was evident was badly needed in Lennys final year.
What quality we had we punted for cash.
We failed to replace that quality with anything near as good.
Browns inability to knock a ball to feet over 10 yards had hee haw to do with Deilas coaching.

Monti
7 years ago

Charlie Saiz,
Deila was utterly fucking useless, you are making a total cunt of yourself now……again!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

That’s your opinion Monti I don’t happen to share it.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

I think you’ll find my opinion is shared by many thousands of Celtic supporters.
Your unhealthy fixation with all things Deila is funny.
Deila could not deliver the goods, he could not motivate the team and lost the dressing room!

OUT!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

He’s gone.
Change the record.

andybhoy
7 years ago

Wow, what a load of absolute pig swill.

Uralius
7 years ago

Deila,
Kept talking about improving without talking about how amazing his established players were so he got good results out of those who needed improving, but ruined the confidence of the senior players over time. Perhaps an injury here and an injury there helped nail his coffin, but how would you feel having played international football and Champions League football and getting told time and again you have to improve, then being played out of position to “aid” that improvement? “Get a fucking grip,” would be your reply. He has basically ruined 3 international players through his confidence stripping remarks and the others rebelled as is the way with Scots and Irish. You have to breed confidence while bringing on improvements quietly. Brendan almost had it right. Time will tell because he also talks a bit much about improvement in public.

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Uralius

Uralius,
Spot on!

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  Uralius

I thought Brendans evaluation of Brown was erring on the deluded side Uralius.
Brendan has been known to waffle on a bit and get a wee bit carried away in front of the cameras.
Browns passsing has been good but he’s not Pirlo now ffs

Uralius
7 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Saiz

Charlie,
We know he is not Pirlo, but every senior player in that squad took a severe confidence hit under Deila due to the way he spoke about them never being good enough. “We always must improve, blah, blah, blah” Now with words of encouragement and confidence in their abilities Nir Bitton is dribbbling and passing forward, Brown is bossing the midfield against Man City, Forrest is shooting with both feet, crossing with both feet and takling like a wing-back. Now while I will admit that the bringing in of Kolo, Sinclair, Dembele and Gamboa has probably contributed to this you cannot attribute these improvements on that alone. The fact of the matter is they could do it, they just didn’t believe it due to the negative (I don’t think he was aware of it honestly) way Deila spoke about his established players. If it weren’t for the rebellious minds and International coaches of these players they would be thoroughly broken. I would think someone like yourself who has been in situations where belief in yourself, your team mates and your leader is a matter of life and death would understand what I am getting at.

Cartvale88
7 years ago

Dellah got the job two r three years too early. The board originally wNted him as the assistant but due to circumstances he got the job.
At no time was he really trusted and started under a cloud, who to blame the board.
But he lead to Brendan getting the job, so it was a happy ending.
That will cheer Monti and Charlie up, and now to bed!

Monti
7 years ago
Reply to  Cartvale88

Cartvale,
I’m always happy m8

Enmjay
7 years ago

Charlie Saiz, systems dont make good managers, convincing all your players they are the best even when they arent does! The comments section on this blog is top notch bhoys but this ronny diela debate is wearing thin now, the guy never had it and i doubt he ever will as football is more than tactics and fitness! Those who persist with the defense of diela are sounding like people who believed the world was flat! I bought into him from the start but it became quickly evident that i was wrong, no harm done. Stop making this rodgers v diela and most certainly stop trying to merit diela with any credit for rodgers magnificent start to his reign, he doesnt deserve it and was lucky to havr the job as long as he did. Hail Hail

wulz
7 years ago

Ronnie divided the support and never achieved qualifying to the champions league group stages, BR has done the exact opposite.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the season ticket sales tells what the Celtic support think
HH

Charlie Saiz
7 years ago
Reply to  wulz

Agreed but then I never expected any different when Brendan was appointed bud.
The fact the Board has spent a bit more on wages has also been a factor on guys like Toure Sinclair and Dembele.
Still think we need 1 or 2 more before we really see it all fall into place?

charlie
7 years ago

ronnie won two titles for celtic and in my opinion he got two cups stole affum the man tried his best and i wish him well

Ronny's Roar
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Exactly Charlie, and may I add that most of the theories on here about Deila are fantasies at best; some of the comments about the man are a sort of Level I would expect from fans of a dead club.

charlie
7 years ago

for shoulda been with

mike
7 years ago

At the end of the day,the vast majority of the support heaved a huge sigh of relief that Delia was gone,i also think that he realized from the end of his first season that he was not up to the job.I also heaved an almighty sigh as did the Board,recognizing that it had made a big mistake.
Time to move on and look to the future,with a Management Team that have shown that with a small increase in the playing budget that the team,support and Board are united in looking forward to a brighter future.
THE END.

charlie
7 years ago

at the endae the day ime wae you fermer even if ye ur huffy

D’Fhinnein Mick
7 years ago

It’s not about RD v RB. Charlie isn’t far wrong in what he says.

Had PL pushed the boat out for RD,backed his own appointment instead of undermining him,we may well have been hailing both PL and RD as geniuses.

Instead,PL the master of micromanagement overlooked the fact that he’s an over-promoted bean-counter and tried to run the football club instead of the Plc.

The only reason we have BR is because PL fucked up. Caught rotten,put back in his box. And believe me,he won’t be happy there.

That self-serving arse of a man will continue to destroy the club through his own delusion and ambition. He should be removed from office ASAP.

Monti
7 years ago

Pish

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  Monti

wit r you dain up at this time shandybhoy ha ha

charlie
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

and dont say nighgtshift ha ha

charlie
7 years ago

4 ae us sitting listening to the lonesome boatman theyr saying whose gon for the breakfast in the mornin and auld joe says ya fuckers yees dont know yoov got it made aint auld tims grand

Iljas Baker
7 years ago

The truth is always more complex than some on here would have you believe. Deila wasn’t it seems a great man motivator but his lack of success as defined by the supporters was also due to other factors: drop in form and injuries to key players, selling off key players, not being able to sign his own choices. But what he envisioned for Celtic is what we’re more or less getting now. High pressing free flowing attacking from the back out to the wings with speed and penetration.Probably players weren’t ready for it under Deila as it really requires a different mentality and very high levels of fitness. It’s one of the reasons why BR doesn’t rest a whole host of players after playing in the CL – he needs them to keep playing together under this system. Toure is rested because he is older and because he plays a unique role, including as an educator and a confidence booster for the defense.

I watched Spurs versus Man City on Sunday. They played very much like BR wants Celtic to play and arguably they learned from Celtic’s tactics but they have better players, including Big Vic who was awesome. The shift they all put in was incredible causing Man City to make loads of mistakes. Spurs too are a work in progress. Celtic fans are over the moon with the way things are going but BR is realistic, he knows there is a long road to travel yet and replacements to make.

Uralius
7 years ago

The most important fact is we won the league both seasons he was in charge and are still on our way to 10 in a row. I agree this discussion bores me.

andybhoy
7 years ago

Some real shit talk about the ‘Deila vision’.
High pressing was always a part of Celtic teams in the past, Lions, Centenary team etc, absolutely nothing new there. You fans were fed a line by the Norwegian imposter and you all thought great, lets see this ‘magical’ style of football. It was a crock of shit from a guy who should have never been given the gig in the first place. He could not deliver and don’t forget, he was well backed by the board.

charlie
7 years ago

excuse ma french andyhboy but dry your fuckin eyes

andybhoy
7 years ago
Reply to  charlie

Nothing wrong with my eyes Charlie.. check out what our captain thinks of him. He was a prick.

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